[Closed] Jacob Rees-Mogg

Exactly what other sort of answer were you wanting from me? No venting of my spleen going on, simply providing my opinion as you requested.

Well, I was hoping to hear what other people thought the JRM effect might have on the Brexit process, but rather than formulate a mature, cohesive opinion, you just want to call him an arse.

We already know that you think he's an arse (I'm sure he would speak very highly of you) but if you don't understand enough about the subject to discuss the matter I suggested, perhaps it might be better to try a different thread. Or you could surprise everyone and offer an opinion other than "he's an arse"...

[quote=councilof10 ]We already know that you think he's an arse

Before my post up there? cite.

The thing is, my answer is a succinct reply to all of your individual questions. Would you prefer I multiquote?

whether JRM might be just what the UK needs at the moment

No, because he's an arse

...

Before my post up there? cite.

aracer - Member

Which is demonstrating that you're a ****?

Yawn... 🙄

Rather than try to appear "down with the proles" whilst sneaking back to his gilded manor house after work, he's completely up-front about it and even lampoons his own lifestyle.

Except that this "poshness" is/has become nothing but a constructed image to appeal to a certain sort of nitwit.

Anyway, back on topic, what I would like to discuss if we can filter out all the class-hate and privilege prejudice

You're quite right. What sort of a person would say this?

lazy poor people

councilof10 - Member
Is he good, bad or indifferent for British Politics?

On one hand, he's charming, witty, self-deprecating and seems to have captured the attention of younger people who aren't attracted to Corbyn's style of politics, so heseems to be filling a vacuum to the right-of-centre...

On the other, he could be a ruthless tactician and staunch Brexiteer, biding his time while the Leave process stumbles along its inevitable course, ready to step into the breach when TM&Co have done the dirty work and discredited themselves.

He's clearly loyal to a fault, to the point that I personally feel he's very authentic, but I'm very anti-Brexit. He's one of the few politicians whose likeable-ness seems to transcend his politics, which could be very good if he creates a more positive mood around a process we're bound to, but could also be a lethal weapon if it's exploited by others in office.

I'm sure there will be many amongst us who despise him simply because he's moneyed and educated, but leaving those prejudices aside, what are other people's opinions of him?

I think his financial position - and a seemingly vocational bent when it comes to politics - put him in a position of strength, and his acumen, manners and professionalism make him a good roll model for a newly politicised younger generation.

So is he destined to be a loyal, affable, media-friendly back-bencher? Or is he destined for greater things?

Except that this "poshness" is/has become nothing but a constructed image to appeal to a certain sort of nitwit.

Do you think? I don't think it's a constructed image... It would be rather difficult to keep up an act for decades...

Well he has just called his new child 'Sixtus'. Obviously a man of the people. 😆

How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....

... It didn't seem that long ago that such attitudes were frowned upon.

I bet you wouldn't have a scouser as the children's nanny though.

teamhurtmore - Member
How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....

... It didn't seem that long ago that such attitudes were frowned upon.

Straight from the Brexit thread to this one, it's going to seem like stalking but.....

A)It's a lot more frowned upon than it's ever been and you know it

and

B) I suspect his attire/accent/children's names would have gone unnoticed had he not been an MP who has voted in such a narrow minded and regressive way on a variety of issues.

I'm sure he'll end up as the next Tory Leader/PM as we seem unable as a nation to stop hitting ourselves in the nuts with a cricket bat.

If (a) is as true as you say it is, then the behaviours above are even [s]more hypocritical[/s] sadder

Rees Mogg is anti abortion, anti equal rights, anti eu and is sitting on the far right of british politics.

No chance at all of appealing to the centre ofr helping heal our divided nation

I dont agree with his politics at all. I don't like him because he is rude. Though often cited for his manners and general civility, I find his constant retorts in latin condescending, arrogant and disrespectful.

We confuse the concepts of politeness and rudeness in a forelock tugging retreat from democracy. Watching him is like watching a Monty Python sketch but the jokes on us.

our divided nation

Nah. Scotland voted against dividing. Didn't you notice?

🙂

[i]Philip Hammond’s commitment in this week’s Autumn Statement to spend £7.6m on restoring Wentworth Woodhouse, England’s largest private home, also had a little-known beneficiary: the house happens to be ancestral home of the mother-in-law of Jacob Rees-Mogg, the Conservative MP who is among the chancellor’s noisiest critics.[/i]

How the Tory party works... Rees Mog is a ****, but at least he's thankfully not in charge of the purse strings

It would be good for the country tho if he is elected leader of the tories - as he is unelectable and Corbyn would make mincemeat out of him.

[quote=teamhurtmore ]How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....

The thing is, in this case if that is the way people are judging him it's proving extraordinarily accurate. JRM does an incredibly good job of living up to the stereotype.

[quote=inkster ]I don't like him because he is rude. Though often cited for his manners and general civility, I find his constant retorts in latin condescending, arrogant and disrespectful.

Well summarised - he adds a veneer of superficial politeness to his sneering condescension (and this is one of the ways I'm judging him, not how he dresses - I suspect most on here are unaware of the social circles I've mixed with and that I've had friends who dressed similarly and spoke with a similar accent).

Of course it accurate that is what they are doing,and it's hypocritical and objectionable whichever way it goes. Remember plebgate?

How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....

Indeed. And yet ...

Looks like a new suit. Very smart but should have cut the label off. Purple tie for Lent too...amazing

Mr Corbyn doesnt wear a tie most of the time,
Indeed, someone really should have a word. At least french socialists maintain a sense of style.

Perhaps now that he does his top button up and wears a tie.

How sad that in this day and age people are still judged by how they talk, how they dress and what they call their children....
... It didn't seem that long ago that such attitudes were frowned upon.

Really??

You must live in a hellt of a bubble cos that kind of stuff goes on all the time!!!

The judging people on how they dress and what they call their kids works both ways - seen plenty of snobbery on her about Chardonnay-anns wearing tracksuits on here

Corbyn would make mincemeat out of him.

2 sides of the same coi. - scruffy socialist vs suited capitalist.

Stereotype away....

I think the only one making hay out of that pairing will be comedians!

I don't like him because he is rude. Though often cited for his manners and general civility, I find his constant retorts in latin condescending, arrogant and disrespectful

He is very occasional user of Latin, I am aware of a couple of occasions only, but frankly his use thereof is a sincere form of flattery.

Flattery of whom?

I'd quite happily give him a sincere flattering.

The more I've seen of him recently, as he does seem to be getting more of an airing than previously, the more I'm convinced that he'd be the same dickhead, rich or poor. He'd be a gift as Tory leader though.

Lifer - Member
Flattery of whom?

Oh, that's very good. Where did you school?

Least if they did put him in charge you'd be knowing what you are getting with him. He was always one of the head brexit instigaters over the years. So complete no deal brexit would be most likely.

I suppose we should let the march towards insolation commence. No like this carry on is ever going to be sorted before 2019 anyhow. No real point in pretending it will be.

In fact, you have to conclude since his name has even come up that this is probably an admission from the Tories that they aren't even interested in a deal, atleast don't believe possible.. Like I say gone mental.

aracer - Member
He adds a veneer of superficial politeness to his sneering condescension (and this is one of the ways I'm judging him, not how he dresses - [b]I suspect most on here are unaware of the social circles I've mixed with[/b] and that I've had friends who dressed similarly and spoke with a similar accent).

Haha, that's hilarious... Social climbing humble bragging at its finest! 😀

You see sneering condescension; I see a remarkable clarity and succinctness that is lacking in other politicians. None of the plaintive, please-be-my-friend sales pitch you get from most MPs - he delivers his thoughts in a take-it-or-leave-it, no frills manner. His use of Latin or flowery speech are reserved purely for comedic effect which he does subtly and brilliantly.

I've been watching your posts carefully for some time now aracer - not because I'm some sort of stalker, but because you seem to gravitate towards my posts in an effort to try and antagonise me. I'm genuinely quite flattered. But I have noted a character flaw that manifests itself in your discussions with other people, and I think your interpretation of JRM are typical of someone with your personality: Probably a bit of an under-achiever, slightly higher than average IQ but average education, you have a chip on your shoulder and feel that you should be enjoying a far more fruitful existence than your peers by dint of your intelligence, and you blame a lack of opportunity and education for your mediocrity.

So when someone like Mr Rees Mogg comes along, fiercely intelligent and highly educated, your hackles rise because you feel that his status, wealth and success are purely a result of the background and privileges that you weren't lucky enough to enjoy.

Having read a lot of your postings, I have no doubt at all that you'd love to sound more educated - you make an obvious attempt do so and I often see you repeating words or phrases others have posted that you possibly feel sound rather grandiose or cerebral. So when you interpret JRMs tone as condescending, I suspect it's down to envy rather than any particular shortcomings of JRM as a politician.

🙂

So when someone like Mr Rees Mogg comes along, fiercely intelligent and highly educated, your hackles rise because you feel that his status, wealth and success are purely a result of the background and privileges that you weren't lucky enough to enjoy.

I've been watching your posts carefully for some time now aracer...

...than any particular shortcomings of JRM as a politician.

Wowzers. How weird!

And what, pray tell, is one to make of a person who uses language like "Absolute state of this"? 🙄

And what, pray tell, is one to make of a person who uses language like "Absolute state of this"?

The absolute state of this.

Statum absolutum

And what, pray tell, is one to make of a person who uses language like "Absolute state of this"?

Someone who doesn't aspire to be a character in Downton Abbey.

Timendi causa nescire est.

Bellus endus?

Bellus endus?

How dare you Binbins!

Didn't you hear what he said?

Timotei causeway Nescafe est!

I'll ignore your ignorance on this occasion. 😉

Never heard of him 😆

Vaginitis Siliconosis

Bellus endus?

Ooh, look who's back with his typically useful style of posting... 🙄

Do you have anything sensible to add Binbin?

Musa sapientum fixa est in aure.

Vaginitis Siliconosis

Is that a condition common amongst people who use silicone bedroom toys?

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In a country where around 5% of the population understand any Latin, using that language to make a point is purely exclusionary.
Snobbery, to put it bluntly.

snobs on stw never!

Presumably, If you could use a language that absolutely nobody understands but you, then according to this principle that'd make you the very pinnacle of human intellect?

Have you ever been to Leeds?

In a country where around 5% of the population understand any Latin, using that language to make a point is purely exclusionary.

As I mentioned earlier, comedic effect... You only need to google what he says to get the joke.

In a country where around 5% of the population understand any Latin,

etcetera etcetera etcetera 🙂

etcetera etcetera etcetera

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You only need to google what he says to get the joke.

I think everyone except you gets the joke.

It is comedic, quoting Seneca. JRM is not what I would describe as a stoic. I'd prefer him to be a peripatetic and simply walk away.

Also needing to google to get a joke is like having to explain it, which makes it very unfunny.

Dydy e ddim yn gwerth rhech dafad.

Oh look! Another language! Fiercly intelligent! Hilarious 😕

Dydy e ddim yn gwerth rhech dafad

Googled this. It is actually hilarious. 😆

Ken Dodds dads dogs dead

[quote=councilof10 ]Haha, that's hilarious... Social climbing humble bragging at its finest!

Sorry, wasn't meant to be - I don't place any status value at all on having mixed with such people. Presumably you do, which is why you thought it bragging? The reason I mixed with such people maybe, which is what makes the following the hilarious bit:

Probably a bit of an under-achiever, slightly higher than average IQ but average education, you have a chip on your shoulder and feel that you should be enjoying a far more fruitful existence than your peers by dint of your intelligence, and you blame a lack of opportunity and education for your mediocrity.
...
I have no doubt at all that you'd love to sound more educated. So when you interpret JRMs tone as condescending, I suspect it's down to envy rather than any particular shortcomings of JRM as a politician.

I'm not sure why I should be envious of somebody who went to a university which is a complete dump 😉

The humble brag is right there if you can work it out - otherwise you'll have to stalk me a bit better, as I have mentioned my education on here at some point in the past.

I often see you repeating words or phrases others have posted that you possibly feel sound rather grandiose or cerebral

Or maybe I'm just taking the piss

I've been watching your posts carefully for some time now aracer - not because I'm some sort of stalker, but because you seem to gravitate towards my posts in an effort to try and antagonise me. I'm genuinely quite flattered.

No, I'm flattered that you've noticed - I have to admit I hadn't particularly realised I did, but then there are certain types of post on here which are fun to take the piss out of (whether or not such piss taking generates a rise - antagonising you isn't actually the intention [in case any mods are reading])

...oh and my interpretation of JRM's tone as condescending and his character as being an arse is because it is and he is - I've met plenty of people very much like him

Understanding Latin doesn't make one intelligent, it just indicates a type of education rather than a level of learning.
Using it in speech to hoi polloi is plain rude or inconsiderate.

If JRM is using it to make a comedic point, he's doing it for the benefit of his mates, not the poor saps who would suffer from his law-making.

Understanding Latin doesn't make one intelligent, it just indicates a type of education rather than a level of learning.

It's difficult to see the value in choosing to communicate through a foreign language of limited utility, other than to confirm that JRM is a dilettante, with archaic knowledge used in lieu of something intelligent, original or interesting. The councillor may wish to reflect on some words of wisdom from a certain Jedi master: "Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?".

Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes

is latin any more pointless than when people manage to type in phonetic scotts?

is latin any more pointless than when people manage to type in phonetic scotts?

Assume you mean Scots?

That living breathing language, spoken daily by millions of people?

As opposed to Scotts which is a breakfast cereal.

Frankly who cares, I'll probably go and google some quirky phrase and paste that next

Dinne ken laddie

Jings, crivvens, and indeed, help ma boab.

Gonnae gie's a plen ane ananinginaneana
I'm a ****in' genius

Anyone who wants to understand Moggs politics its pretty obvious in his voting record. Reactionary, anti human rights, far right of the tory party.
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/votes

That living breathing language, spoken daily by millions of people?

Speaking English badly does not a new language make.

Moree worryingly when I see JRM - is that he bears an uncanny resemblance to a cousin of mine - down to the "what am I doing here" transplanted from the Edwardian era dress, mannerisms and language..

Nil illegitimi carborundum

Speaking English badly does not a new language make

Not new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language

perchypanther - Member
Speaking English badly does not a new language make
Not new.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language

a bit like that other widely known language of gordie! 😆

That theyworkforyou site doesn't half give a misleading impression - dreadful.

mefty - Member
That theyworkforyou site doesn't half give a misleading impression - dreadful.

By the grouping and the lack of context, they say he conistently voted against gay marriage, which he clearly did. They also say he voted consistently against gay rights - and what would those gay rights be? Marriage, which they have singled out separately -s o they are effectively double counting.

Then you look further and he is being "marked down" for voting against an opposition amendment to the Queen's Speech - well of course he is - that is kind of how it works, etcetera etcetera etcetera

Yep it reflects how he voted. Are they actually double counting or just making 2 piles.

It's the same for every MP so it's actually a fair and resonable way of detailing the votes of all MP's.

Unless you think JRM is a progressive, inclusive and many other things which he clearly isn't.

perchypanther - Member

Not new.

Correct, English is not new and scots still isn't a language, but don't take my word for it; ask the people of Scotland:

A 2010 Scottish Government study of "public attitudes towards the Scots language" found that 64% of respondents "don't really think of Scots as a language"

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[quote=mefty ]By the grouping and the lack of context, they say he conistently voted against gay marriage, which he clearly did. They also say he voted consistently against gay rights - and what would those gay rights be? Marriage, which they have singled out separately -s o they are effectively double counting.

I'm not sure what the problem is here - you're complaining that they're suggesting he is against gay marriage AND against gay rights. Is the problem that he isn't actually against one of those, or is there some more subtle issue I'm missing?

mefty - Member

That theyworkforyou site doesn't half give a misleading impression - dreadful.

You mean its a factual account of his voting record which shows just what an unpleasant man he is but does not show him in the favourable light you would like?

Plenty of other equal rights issues have been voted on since he was elected

he is being "marked down" for voting against an opposition amendment

Marked down? who is using pejorative terms now. No marking down of anything - just a factual record of his voting patterns.