[Closed] I've just set up my own distillery company!

Competition is brewing;
http://www.chefsinscotland.co.uk/news/news/galldachd-na-h-alba-brewery/

You manage. Tues night ride @Ae? jamesmio and one or 2 others from here go.

Fellow farmer/biker/brewer, Dave might have some words of wisdom;
http://speyvalleybrewery.co.uk/our-story/

JnrT is an engineer; https://cochran.co.uk/news/general/we-build-small-boilers-too-starting-at-455kg-ph

Indeed [b]teacake[/b], and it's a major issue for me. Being in a rural location with poor energy infrastructure and shallow pockets, it's going to be a compromise whichever route I go down.

[b]yourguitarhero[/b], ace, well done! I have no idea how to distil either, but I'll figure it out 😉

Saw that article in today's Standard, [b]Trekster[/b]. Although good luck to him. Setting up in the centre of Lockerbie in a terrace of houses, without planning permission or staff, he's about the level of preparedness that I'm at!

Don't ride much these days, but I should try and get myself out. Drop me an email with details and I'll get along sometime!

I looked at Cochran's for boilers. Their 'small' boilers are about double the capacity I'd need, unfortunately.

UPDATE 7/7/17:

Planning permission in and registered, so let's see what the local authority have to say.

Three licence applications off to HMRC (distiller's, warehouse keeper, excise warehouse).

Been on a short course with Brewlab in Sunderland to learn more about distilling and the industry. Was very interesting, although ho much of it was relevant, I'm not sure!

My students are Heriot-Watt seem to be doing well with their projects. Was up a couple of times to see them do desktop distillations and do a few tastings.

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Business plan finished and the financials pretty much figured out. This leads me to be neck-deep in paperwork for funding applications as I try and secure £100k of public grants and a business loan (about 1/3 of the total project cost)!

Cheers,
Kit

Hi Kit, good luck in your venture.
I'm in the Off trade and currently stock over 80 gins and have hundreds available to me within 3 days order>delivery from Hammonds of Knutsford.
We're North England (Yorkshire) based in a fairly affluent town.
Gin has been the big thing for a year or two and specifically gins that have a unique selling point in their botanicals. The main feedback from customers seems to be buying from us as a result of them trying these gins at fairs, Gin Fairs, farmers markets, agricultural shows, Also from local Gin bars and pubs/restaurants.
Our biggest selling Premium gins are currently:
Sharish, a blue coloured gin that turns pink when you add tonic, novelty.

Slinsby's Rhubarb Gin, made locally in Harrogate and unique Rhubarb taste (really easy sell with tasting stock).

Brockmans Gin. Unique wild berry fruits taste, quite sweet, goes well with Ginger ale, Gin for people who don't particularly like gin, gin for the alcopop generation etc. Local gin bar and pubs really push it with ginger ale and then punters come to us and buy a bottle (also really easy sell with tasting stock).

Whittaker's Gin made locally in Harrogate, their USP being that they've won a trade award with their Pink Peculiar, but also sells well because they bottle in 50cls so the price appears reasonable for an award winning premium gin (£24).

Liqueur Gins, 20% abv rather than normal gin @40%+. The main ones being Edinburgh Gin (Rhubarb & Ginger our best seller) and Zymurgorium range. We're currently pushing Edinburgh Gin Rhubarb and Ginger liqueur with Appletizer to make a Rhubarb and Apple crumble liqueur drink (again, appeals to the alcopop generation and people with a sweet tooth or who don't particularly like straight gin and tonic).

We sell the odd bottle of all the other stuff often mentioned here, Silent Pool, bathtub, Opihr etc. Some sell because they're now heavily pushed in the Supermarkets. But of the premium retailer who stocks a premium range, it seems to me that you need a USP to sell more, tasting stock and maybe people in store and/or at regional events to push the product.

There's talk within our business that Gin interest will tail off, but I haven't experienced that yet.

UPDATE 8/9/17

Still waiting on planning permission. Apparently I needed a bat and barn owl survey, which my architect neglected to tell me about. That delayed things by a month, but all that info is in now. Not heard anything else from the Council, but they're apparently hugely understaffed, so God knows when I'll hear.

Have been awarded my first bit of grant money. Well, I got an email 3 weeks ago to that effect. No paperwork as yet! That will cover 50% of my branding and online presence work. Quite positive about another small grant from Scottish Enterprise to help with the bottle design for my first product.

The big pot of cash is from a fund called LEADER. That's £50k's worth, decision due next Thursday. Positive noises throughout the feedback process, so hoping that'll come good.

Been round a few distilleries: Arbikie, Glasgow Distillery and Annandale Distillery. I actually got a whole day with the Annandale guys. Mark and Daz, who run the distillery operations, are top guys and I learned LOADS in a day with them. Great experience, and has got my pumped for my own project.

My distilling licenses were rejected, on account of me not having a distillery for HMRC to inspect. Naively, I thought they'd be able to give feedback through the establishment process, but apparently not. You've got to commit, build, and then apply just before you begin trading.

Yesterday, met with my design agency (Contagious in Edinburgh) and started off the process of designing the brand, product name, bottle design, etc. Really exciting stuff!

By the way, did I say that I'll be making......... rum? 🙂

You've got to commit, build, and then apply just before you begin trading.

That's mad. What if they say no?

met with my design agency (Contagious in Edinburgh)

You've already had a lot of delays and it'll take the Contagious to come up with a design?

[i] What if they say no?[/i]

Existing players get to buy some extra capacity cheap 🙁

You've already had a lot of delays and it'll take the Contagious to come up with a design?

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The big pot of cash is from a fund called LEADER.

And well done, exciting to see things coming off

Rum! Good call.

Good luck Kit ..
I've got to admit that I haven't read all the posts before jumping on this thread so I don't know if anyone has suggested this as a "product " ..but on a bothy night last year one of our number produced a bottle of sloe Whisky which he had made himself ..now I have previously tried a Gin version and loved it ..but this was something else ..and although I'm not a huge spirit drinker ..I would buy a version of this if it was available ..
Hope it doesn't sound too daft ..

[i]That's mad. What if they say no?[/i]

They give you feedback at that point for you to implement, and work with you to ensure your compliance. Seem very rare, though. When you're chucking 6 figures at a project, you're likely to do plenty of research into what will satisfy them, and make sure you get it done. So, risky in terms of possible delays, but probably not in ultimately getting something going.

[b]hodgynd[/b], if you're meaning a sloe rum, then [url= https://www.beachcraftspirits.co.uk/ ]Beach Craft Spirits[/url] already make one. If you're talking about a sloe whisky, I won't be making whisky, sorry!

big_n_daft, OK thank you. I'd looked at the SEPA exemptions and didn't know what counted as 'Distillery Waste', so will get a formal clarification. For land spreading, it's up to the farmer. I'll provide him with an analysis of the waste and leave it to him to make that call. He's a conscientious guy, so I've no worries there. But we also have a local AD who might be interested. Interested to know how you know so much about this; do you work for SEPA? If you've got the time to spare, I'm free 23rd. Email me Kit[dot]Carruthers[@]gmail[dot]com. cheers.

Apologies missed this.

I'm not in SEPA, I have some relevant current industry experience, just not saying what industry....

Email me on t _ interweb AT outlook DOT com

Also get details of the deployments by the farmer, and the occasional lab analysis. Its insurance against a later claim

So, risky in terms of possible delays, but probably not in ultimately getting something going.

Gotcha. That makes more sense, ta.

Contagious to come up with a design?

Had to read that a few times 🙂

[reports for swear filter avoidance]

Sounds great Kit, nice to see something down "home" going forward. Although I have lived in Edinburgh, 22yrs Annan and indeed Dumfriesshire will always be home.

Love the story about the Nerf things on the window of the Shed! I think I met JamesMio on a stag do in Tignes years back too. Haha

All the best and when you are selling something let us know in here and I will buy!

Cheers!

I'm starting the MSc in Brewing and Distilling at Heriot Watt... em, tomorrow!
So I like approve of this thread.
Keep in touch! Depending how you get on, I might be looking for some work experience/placement next year.

Also, not sure if you've had any thoughts on distribution yet, but a good friend of mine owns a spirits distribution company - I can put you in touch.

Kit ..sorry I jumped in without reading the fact that you were set to make rum ..
I did mean a sloe whisky ..and it was delicious ..maybe someone else will pick up on it 😀
Good luck with your venture ..all the best ..

Quite a few distillerys popping up http://craftydistillery.com/

http://www.solwayspirits.co.uk/spirits.html

Ride with jamesmio and Katie on a Tues @Ae....

UPDATE 14/9/17

Got some good news today! Two grant applications came good, worth £55k, on top of a previous grant award. Still only a fraction of the cost of the whole thing, but it all massively helps.

The building is now clear and ready for the joiner and builder to come in and remove the roof, demolish the gable wall, and grub out the floor. Still haven't got my planning permission, but should be forthcoming by the end of the month. Work should start beginning of October, all being well!

Some photos below of the current state of the place. The lower, older building will be the distillery, and is due the major works. The larger, newer building will be my bonded warehouse, and have only minor repairs (mainly to make it secure!).

[b]sas78[/b] I was 18 years in Edinburgh. Still adjusting to being back down here! And glad you've committed before even tasting the stuff 😉

[b]yourguitarhero[/b] I was speaking to Annie Hill yesterday and she said that the MSc course had started. There's 100 of you, is that right? Mad! Happy to accommodate you next year, if I can. Pester me around March time, if I forget to drop you a line.

[b]Trekster[/b], you mentioned Ae rides. I must try and come along one evening, before it gets dark (no lights).

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I think there is 130 students this year.
A very international mix - lots of Europeans, Americans, Indian and Chinese students, and lots of women too - more than I expected.

The building is now clear and ready for the joiner and builder to come in and remove the roof, demolish the gable wall, and grub out the floor. Still haven't got my planning permission, but should be forthcoming by the end of the month. Work should start beginning of October, all being well!

Some photos below of the current state of the place. The lower, older building will be the distillery, and is due the major works. The larger, newer building will be my bonded warehouse, and have only minor repairs (mainly to make it secure!).

I would go for really tall stills, then you have a claim to be the "-est" in something

check how much you can store before COMAH kicks in

everything will turn black due to fungus over time

I'd try to get to Inchdairnie, it's new and built as a modern distillery rather than twee

for a laugh
https://gearjunkie.com/bike-made-whisky-barrels-glenmorangie-renovo

UPDATE 23/11/17

Well, my last update was a little optimistic... I finally got my planning permission a couple of weeks ago (yay!) but that only just followed putting in for building warrant. I can't start any work on the building until that comes back in the affirmative, which could be January (or later 🙁 ).

But planning permission is great news. It means I'm [i]definitely[/i] doing this!

So [b]Ninefold Distillery [/b]will be producing sometime next spring/summer! Shiny logo to accompany it, based on our family crest:

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And also got myself online at:

www.ninefolddistillery.com (holding page at the mo)

...and the usual social media places, if you do a search for Ninefold Distillery. Don't want to upset the mods with advertising 😉

That looks excellent, well done on investing in a decent designer!

remember as the project includes demolition it may well be notifiable under CDM Regs

Unless the work is going on for more than 30 days then it's not. It is being at least aware of CDM on something this size though so you can ask whoever you get to do the work to be on top of it on your behalf.

Aye, I could do the demo work I need to do, but then I'd be left with an exposed soil and no roof over the winter. Plus I'm not convinced the walls will hold up too well without the gable end and roof. Certainly the structural engineer doesn't want to rest the new roof on the existing walls!

The marque has come out great, and certainly worth the money! Particularly when half of it was paid for with a grant. Or will be when I put the claim in...

UPDATE 16/01/18

Not much more on the building front, however... I gone done a vlog! Pretty terrifying. I had to learn how to: shoot video on my camera; fly a drone; be comfortable looking at and listening to myself over and over again during editing; edit; all the social media stuff for videos.

Feedback welcome, even if you hate it!

Next time have a crib sheet of topics pinned underneath your camera so you can drop the 'err's' by not having to think about the next point. A pause is better than an 'err'. Looks a really interesting project which I would happily watch without the err, .. err's.
You can always cut and retake if you pause and you have other footage to put in. That's the beauty of b-roll, you can stop and start as many times as you like if you have something to cut to.
You can always show a bit of footage with VO as the building and setting is half the story (you being the other half)
Look forward to seeing the update.

Bit random, but won't the forklift hit the metal joists in the bonding warehouse?

Good video though.

honest review?

It's you umming and erring in an a cold empty barn. I'd save the footage and do a piece when you've got something to show off. Sort of; this is what I started with, this is what it looks like now!

Good luck with it. 😀

I would echo thoughts above but would add less is more - lovely nice shots, intro to you and the new project, job done. 2mins. Maximum.

(I can see all our videos at work - folk get bored past 2-3 mins...)

I see there are projects working with you at uni!

Thanks for the feedback!

I doubt that I can get rid of the um and ers, it's a habit that I've never been able to break, despite plenty of public speaking. I'd tried to write a script but I couldn't read it 😆 Maybe some big bullet points next time... I shot a whole day of stuff and went back to reshoot, intending to be in the same clothes so that I could cut stuff together as needed. But Day 2 was ****ing baltic so I ended up with the jacket and gloves, and just worked with what I got.

Lots was cut out, and I'm sure subsequent vids will be shorter. I know people have a crap attention span. I won't, however, be waiting until I've got something to 'show'. The whole point of the vlog was to show progress from barn to distillery. So major milestones in building work, the kit arriving, etc.

It's a massive learning curve: teaching myself how my camera does video, talking to camera, aerial footage, editing, etc. is all brand new to me. But glad it's, um, mostly positive, er, feedback.

I see there are projects working with you at uni!

Also when you lock the camera off turn off the AF you can see it hunting while you are talking, it's very distracting.
Have you tried flying your drone through the building yet? Saves on buying a dolly or slider 😆

[quote=Kit ]
I see there are projects working with you at uni!News to me! I had two last year, maybe that's what you've spotted.

Are you Dumfriesshire Rum?

Unless there's another rum distillery on the go that I don't know about, then yes I am 'Dumfriesshire Rum'!

Can you email me kit@ninefolddistillery.com with the details of the projects, please?

Don’t forget to send some STW Towers as thank you for promotion, mods probably wouldn’t say no too. 😀

I wondered how far I could push it 😆

Kit - mailed you the details.

Also, I'm not sure if you've looked at your distribution yet, but I have a friend who runs a distributors based out of Edinburgh. I can put you in touch if you'd like? He's very knowledgeable - a chat can never hurt.

Turns out, I may also be getting into the spirits production game....

Also when you lock the camera off turn off the AF you can see it hunting while you are talking, it's very distracting.

Anyway, "[i] Saves on buying a dolly or slider[/i]" only if I don't crash it! I flew it around inside the bigger building and it was slightly terrifying 😯

UPDATE 4/3/18

*whispers in case the mods hear*

Building work has begun...

More vids online...

*slinks off again*

Big thumbs up. Good wishes mate.

Nice one, what's the eta for the first pour 😉 just enjoying some of the fine Tassie spirits I snuck out when I left so need something new to try

Great to see your progress, keep up the good work and I look forward to trying the final product, Im a big rum fan!

You need to hope that the HSE don't see the video of the roof demolition, the scaffolding was a joke

I suggest you get a CSCS card and mug up on CDM as well

The youtube videos are getting better. Have a look at Mick Grewcock, for one man in a shed he achieves very high production quality

First pour might be in the summer. July, maybe? Having a small nightmare with my intended distilling equipment!

I have a CSCS card, and have read up on CDM.

Production quality = time + equipment + energy. I'm short of two and making do with the other.

any samples for the stw massive?

Not yet, maybe in a few months 😉

I suggest you look at the working at height bit again if you are signing off on risk assessments and method statements

Alternatively don't film it for YouTube

Two years on from starting this thread, and I distilled my first rum yesterday 🙂

Thought folk might be interested, since it's been a while since I posted!

Awesome news!!

Have you thought of a snappy name for your new product?

What about “Repentance “

What about “Repentance “

I read that as 'Temperance' and thought it an odd suggestion 😉

How do we acquire a bottle of your finest?

Have you thought of a snappy name for your new product?

Baby Robin.

Congratulations Kit.

How do we acquire a bottle of your finest?

Mod friendly answer: it's not for sale, ever.
Mod unfriendly answer: it's not for sale yet, keep 'em peeled on social media ('Ninefold Distilery') for a launch date etc. 😉

Nice one....

Nice one.
I’d buy a bottle of baby robin rum!

Was Ninefold Distlery you say? I shall check out Ninefold Distlery now on Facebook.

following....

Was Ninefold Distlery you say?

Dunno what you mean guv'nor. Dint say nuffink, loik.

Got ya. It's not far for me to travel for a taste. 😉

Nice, ta. Under 2 hour car drive for me...

Excellent work Kit.
I will have to come down for a nosey 😀

Aye, all welcome! Just don't expect a fancy coffee or even a seat 😉

I won't be expecting a coffee. 😬

Anywhere to bivvy nearby? Wouldn't want to be driving - or cycling - after a visit 😜

Liked! I love Rum!

And Congratulations!

Congratulations..
Will have to get the road bike sorted and take a pedal over in a couple of weeks....

Anywhere to bivvy nearby?

Plenty! There's also a spare bedroom or two in the cottage next door (my house).

Before you all start turning up, what was it called again? Oh yeah, Minefields and you can find it on Facebook. Damned autocorrect, Ninefolds, Ninefolds, Ninefolds. Well done the ginger fox.

Was that Ninefolds Distillery?

Well looky here what I found...

https://www.houseofmalt.co.uk/product/ninefoldrum

Good work Kit, chrimbo cocktails all round!

Yup he seems to be making a good go at it.

DickBarton

Member
Nice, ta. Under 2 hour car drive for me…

I can pedal itvin that, my next road ride. Might need to buy 2, drink one on the way home...

It might taste like monkey piss for all I know, but there's a whole lot to like about that packaging and design. That's a Nice Thing, someone needs a pat on the back.

I saw the Ninefold pickup driving into Moffat on Saturday morning, I felt excited like I had spotted a celebrity.

Good luck with the venture. Perhaps it's because there was a reichsadler opposite where junior lived last year on the Bundesagentur für Arbeit in Friedrichstrasse (and another one at Tempelhof) but the symbolism of the wings and the way they are orientated troubled me when I saw the logo.

That’s a Nice Thing, someone needs a pat on the back.

All down to these guys: Contagious

I felt excited like I had spotted a celebrity.

I'm happy to sign your boobs/moobs.

Edukator I've had one or two comments (literally) to that effect, but when you look at the imagery side-by-side, they're not really alike. Only insofar as they're geometric and have wings. My angel is based on 700 years of family history anyway and is simply a stylised version of my family crest.

Reminds me of the Bentley wings.