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The average memory usage of 14 of them is around 70-150Mb each (BBC is 70Mb) .......... this forum, 700Mb!!!
😳
Just sayin'
Been like that for ages ....
STW is 135mb for me in Chrome.
There’s a tab?
This is funny!
The average memory usage of 14 of them is around 70-150Mb each (BBC is 70Mb) ………. this forum, 700Mb!!!
That explains a few things
Running at around 135MB in Brave (Windows 11) for the STW tab.
Google Photos, Flicker and Gmail are my biggest memory hogs - around 200-225MB each.
three STW tabs open here - 99, 101 and 111mb. I am a subscriber though and thus have no ads showing
I have 5 separate Chrome windows open, each with multiple tabs...
Does that mean when I open a thread on here or canes my data?
Chrome's taking up 2GB of memory and 12% of CPU on my desktop to do nothing other than sit there. And that's with Full Member STW status (so no ads) and extensions that we're not allowed to promote.
I'm increasingly of the mind that it's time to explore other browser options.
54.5 on Safari.
No Alpine, it’s memory not data.
Is there a draft from all that fan action?
STW gets my fan going like nothing else short of a big batch photo processing job.
I once clicked the 'open all in tabs' ,in my bookmarks folder(containing many hundreds of bookmarked pages) to see what would happen.
Im never doing that again 😆
firefox here with 12 tabs 900Mb and 3.2% of cpu
stw pages are ~ 100mb apart from classifieds which are ~ 1.5 times that.
Don't know what any of this means anymore!
Am I one of the few people alive who closes applications, files, windows, tabs when they're done with them? It's like turning off the lights shirly. But littering the desktop with icons I'll never ever use ever again? GUILTY
92MB and around 6% CPU to have this page open. Chrome on Win11.
I’m increasingly of the mind that it’s time to explore other browser options
Links -g for a full experience
Am I one of the few people alive who closes applications, files, windows, tabs when they’re done with them?
Htop?
I hate it when my partner asks me to check something on her phone, queue every single app is open and every single browser.
I am beginning to think STW must have some revenue share agreement with my electricity supplier the way the fan kicks in when I am on here.
I am beginning to think STW must have some revenue share agreement with my electricity supplier the way the fan kicks in when I am on here.
They're probably using people's computers for bitcoin mining and will soon be retiring to the Cayman Islands 🙂
The way crypto is heading these days they'll be lucky to get to The Isle of Sheppey.
I’ve got 15 tabs open in Chrome and
a beach ain’t one
Brave browser on Linux
STW is 63Mb and 68Mb for 2 tabs
Youtube 122Mb and 215Mb (both idle), and about 280Mb playing 1440p.
everything else around 40-50Mb each and basically idle (including stuff like Privacy Badger, Keepass and some other plugins). Snowheads is about half that when idle but jumps up to about 60 for a page load and then drops back to half again.
CPU is about 3% max total for all (and it's not exactly the most bleeding edge CPU) and up/down all over the place when playing youtube
basically don't worry about reported memory usage. memory is there to be used, not kept as reserve for something you're not running.
basically don’t worry about reported memory usage. memory is there to be used, not kept as reserve for something you’re not running.
This
23 tabs here, stw is 111mb.
also got 5 tabs on firefox and its coming up with 'memory full you need to close something' box every now and then (ageing macbook).
scotroutes
Full Member
basically don’t worry about reported memory usage. memory is there to be used, not kept as reserve for something you’re not running.This
Not this, it's nonsense. A few ads using almost a gig of memory is absolutely ludicrous!
To put it into context, a single tab of this website for a free Member uses more memory than an xbox 360 had in total.
Just think about the complexity of elder scrolls, forza or red dead redemption and think that a single forum page showing a few ads uses almost 50% more than that.
It's madness.
Am I one of the few people alive who closes applications, files, windows, tabs when they’re done with them?
Nope, i do too. Hang over from the days when computers really *wouldn't* run two programs, and my first proper job where running a big operation locally would result in a 40kph headwind being generated, and loose papers being blown across the desk. Some colleagues even made cardboard ducts to divert the draught...
Nope.
Browser will use whatever memory it can get. If it's doing nothing, then the browser can have it. Run a game, and the OS will give the memory to the game instead.
I have 32 gig, and STW usage is miniscule. Doesn't even register on the same order of magnitude. Unless red dead redemption only uses 30 odd meg?
9gig used, 7.5gig not used (basically being wasted - could have saved some cash on the DIMMs), 13gig cache and buffers (aka - freely available memory for anything to use, where the OS dishes it out, not Chrome/Brave/Edge "stealing" it)
if I pull out 1 of the 16gig DIMMs, reboot, and open the exact same apps and tabs, the OS will still report RAM spare, available and unused. and not one single byte of Swap used. Heck I could pull out all the RAM and put in a single 8gig and it'd still show free, spare unused RAM (I know this, because I used to have only 6 gig in the same machine, and the RAM still never filled up with 15 tabs open in Brave/Chrome, including 2 STW tabs, numerous Youtube/Gmail etc. tabs and other browsing)
If I double the RAM to 64gig, Brave et al will probably borrow more than 32 gig in total.
Not even a gaming rig, no dedicated graphics card, some of that RAM usage must be the built in APU.
Only 15 tabs, my wife has to have a minimum of around 50 to feel comfortable.
Not this, it’s nonsense. A few ads using almost a gig of memory is absolutely ludicrous!
To put it into context, a single tab of this website for a free Member uses more memory than an xbox 360 had in total.
Just think about the complexity of elder scrolls, forza or red dead redemption and think that a single forum page showing a few ads uses almost 50% more than that.
It’s madness.
No, you just don't understand memory management. Andy is absolutely correct.
RAM is there to be used. What's the point of pouring half a pint into a pint pot? What you're not seeing is that Windows is clever, it will hoover up free RAM for performance reasons such as guessing which file you might want to open next and preloading it, and then will dump that data in favour of more important stuff if there starts to be a shortage. Used memory is not a bad thing, quite the opposite, things are suboptimal if RAM isn't being utilised. That's literally what it's for.
An Xbox 360 and a modern PC are not directly comparable, no more than you could argue that your Amiga had 1MB or your Spectrum had 48k. They're different systems with different requirements doing different things in different ways. How many times did you play four games at the same time on your 360?
Agreed,
Windows will allow apps fill up the ram to a certain extent*, and once the RAM starts getting a bit full it will limit or remove idle stuff, or maybe Iv'e got that backwards, or maybe it's dynamic both ways, I'm not entirely sure.
*some apps just don't need or request 'all the RAM', especially when 'idle'.
My browser on my Desktop PC is currently using about 2gb out of 16gb total, (12 tabs inc. webmail and streaming a radio station.
The whole system is using about 4.8gb total RAM, but it's essentially idle other than the browser.
I've just checked my gaming PC out of curiosity, running nothing but windows and steam it's using 5.3gb out of 32gb.
Fired up a game: Hogwarts Legacy, and total sys RAM has jumped to about 18gb utilised out of 32gb.
So the game has immediatly hoovered up about 12gb RAM, lol
My previous MacBook (had the touch thing above the keys) would fire up the fan very quickly when I visited this site - the only time it did this constantly (I did some video editing where the fan kicked in twice while editing 2 out of 8 video files). The new MacBook doesn't do this at all (or then is incredibly quiet).
I close things down and I don't like more tabs open than I'm working on...very old habits - I get lost amongst them all if I leave them open!
So the game has immediatly hoovered up about 12gb RAM, lol
Bloody hell that’s 24 times more memory than Xbox 360.
Again though, it's apples and oranges.
What's a big game storage-wise on the 360? Off the top of my head (I'll check later) Red Dead Redemption was something like a 6GB install. RDR2 was something like a 57GB patch when I had the discs. Anyone care to speculate what Starfield on the X|S might clock in at?
You know me better than that.
Cougar
No, you just don’t understand memory management. Andy is absolutely correct.
I worked for the first 5 years of my career as a programmer in kernel and embedded development so I have quite an intimate knowledge about how memory management works on modern OS.
500MB just for adverts, over and above the requirement of the actual page is utter madness however you look at it. There is zero justification for it.
An example of the problem this causes is on phones where the memory is already full with applications running in the background. Opening a large tab like this causes all those the background applications and the disk cache to be unloaded, meaning a sometimes quite significant delay when you switch back to them.
I honestly have absolutely no clue why anyone why try and justify this completely idiotic waste of memory as being fine. It's not, it's lazy and it does cause problems.
However I want to be clear that I'm not moaning about STW because at least they give the option to remove the ads with a small payment. More the general laziness of ad providers (aside from the memory usage, this tab is currently using 99% CPU on a 16 core Ryzen).
These ads are crap, lazy programming written by people who either don't care about it or don't know what they're doing.
And the point about the XBOX 360 was just an example of the complete excessiveness of using over 500MB purely for ads. I've actually looked into this for some customers and sometimes this is because they've been absolute ****s and pulled in several entire megabyte JS framework minified into a single file, just to use a single function out of it which is about 4000 bytes! There is no argument that can be made to justify this, it is simply crap.
(aside from the memory usage, this tab is currently using 99% CPU on a 16 core Ryzen)
This tab is using 40Mb now, and flickering between 0.0 and 1.0% CPU on an 8 core Ryzen
Phone memory management is different again.
Prioritising foreground tasks over background tasks is (usually) desired behaviour, you want all that crap dumping in order to focus on what you're actually doing. If you've got memory starvation then slow task switching is a small price to pay over the task you're looking at being on its arse.
I can't comment on STW's adverts, I doubt STW can either given that they're served by a third party. It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if optimal code is not at the forefront of an advert provider's mind, I agree with you 100% here. In any case though, "foo is using blah amount of memory" is a nonsense argument in isolation. Because, so what? What else are you going to do with empty RAM? If you've got a browser tab using (and not releasing) half a gig whilst your SQL server is choking and you're trying to get 120FPS out of Forza then that's a different story.
Memory usage and memory shortage are very different things.
Anyone care to speculate what Starfield on the X|S might clock in at?
On PC it uses 116gb disk space. Running it on my system, random spot check it's using:
About 10gb of 32gb system RAM
About 7gb of 16gb Graphics card RAM
I've only just started playing it though, so it may use more when things get a bit busy.