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How many times had it been said, "it's going to be like 1984"?
Well, it's not going to be, it already is if you are Muslim and live in China.
This sort of crap is what should share the world as China becomes a military super power.
Dark times.
Started watching the last half of the program after getting in from a ride, China is certainly a strange country.
The worse thing is the way other countries turn a blind eye incase it upsets their ability to trade with them.
Don’t have the blood of hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis and Syrians on their hands though.
****ing amateurs, why re-educate them when you can drop a few JDAMs here and there, embargo the country economically, peddle arms to rival factions, create a power vacuum and then sit back and laugh your bollocks off once you have sent the country back to the Stone Age and people surprisingly enough revert to medieval thinking and start cutting each other’s heads off and taking sex slaves as the spoils of war.
Did you wait until after midnight to post that crap?
I just couldn’t give two ****s, the west only cares when it feels threatened. It only gives a shit about the rights of other ethnicities when it suits it’s own self aggrandising image, one that it deluded itself with to help it sleep better at night.
Rayban, to me this isn't about east or west. The west has indeed perpetrated terrible crimes recently and in the past. However that doesn't give China, or any other power a hall pass to do the same. Taking peoples lives away from them doesn't have to always be in the literal sense either. China's methods are just as insidious as the West's and long term, potentially far wider reaching.
Rayban, to me this isn’t about east or west. The west has indeed perpetrated terrible crimes recently and in the past. However that doesn’t give China, or any other power a hall pass to do the same. Taking peoples lives away from them doesn’t have to always be in the literal sense either. China’s methods are just as insidious as the West’s and long term, potentially far wider reaching.
It really isn't. Lots of dead people and untold infrastructure damage is always worse.
Discounting the communist revolution and the previous dynastic infighting, the Han haven't destablised an entire continent for what? Millennia, if ever? How many times have we done this now? China will never hold a candle to our ability to wreak havoc.
My problem, is that like always, western criticism of China is out of yellow peril fear. We only care because they are China, we didn't give so much of a crap when it came to Syrian refugees did we? Well, apart from Merkel.
The Chinese model of human rights is - do you have a house and food? If yes, shut up.
The western model of human rights is - you have the right to be who you are or what you'd like to be called but if you don't have a house and food, because you got sick or your house got hit by a 1000lb bomb? That's your fault, **** off.
I see Sajid Javed wants to use the same facial reognition techniques here ...
"Discounting the communist revolution"
SAo we are discounting the death and distruction caused by communism for what reason, exactly ?
Estimates of the death toll, including civilians and Red Guards, vary greatly.[155] They range upwards to several millions, but an estimate of around 400,000 deaths is a widely accepted minimum figure, according to Maurice Meisner.[156] MacFarquhar and Schoenhals assert that in rural China alone some 36 million people were persecuted, of whom between 750,000 and 1.5 million were killed, with roughly the same number permanently injured.[157] In Mao: The Unknown Story, Jung Chang and Jon Halliday claim that as many as 3 million people died in the violence of the Cultural Revolution.[158] The Holocaust memorial museum puts the death toll between 5 and 10 million.[159] The true figure of those who were persecuted or died during the Cultural Revolution however may never be known, since many deaths went unreported or were actively covered up by the police or local authorities. The state of Chinese demographics records at the time was also very poor, and the PRC has been hesitant to allow formal research into the period.
Still didn't commit that on another continent did they? I mean even the killings of minorities during the cultural revolution, eg the killings of mongols, was done in collaboration with Inner Mongolian Revolutionary Committee under the orders of Kang Sheng.
Meanwhile - Europe did the same and also brought the uninvited hilarity to the rest of the world right up until this present day.
Not to mention that the cultural revolution was guess what? A ****ing product of western colonialism and gunboat diplomacy and the subsequent power vacuum it left in Asia.
Have isis been active in China?
Can we soon see them rebranded by the yanks and set to work liberating their brothers?
Have you seen how many Laos people are being'rehoused'(left for dead) by the
Chinese dams in Laos?and the way they took everything in the vicinity of the new roads they make?
And all the money they 'lent' Laos for the new roads, which will have to be paid back somehow?
And the effect these dams have on the mekong, and all the people that depend on its fishing and irrigation to survive?
Lots more chinese dams in cambodia too. And the South China Sea islands,china obviously has no claim to them
And all the chinese logging companies in Borneo,decimating vast areas of pristine rainforest
Its looking like itll be china all the way down to Chihanoukville and beyond
Just because America had a nuclear bomb, now everybody else wants one. They havent noticed that it was wrong,
See much of Tibet these days?
I must watch this Gulags program
Interesting point about Tibet. The guy now overseeing security/persecution in Xinjiang was the same guy who made the Tibet situation go very quiet.
Link to program
https://www.itv.com/hub/undercover-inside-chinas-digital-gulag/2a6366a0001
I watched it, it shows very well Chinese long term planning, it was estimated that at present 10% of the Urgyhur population in Xianjiang were in re-education camps, along with their children being put into orphanages. It won't be many generations before the Han Chinese commit cultural/religious genocide on the native population, thus eliminating the muslim "problem".
Chilling, and how long before that insidious facial rec tech and AI filters out into the rest of the world?
And the South China Sea islands,china obviously has no claim to them
Out of curiosity, why are they called the South China Sea islands then?
Cos they is south of China?
Anyway, I recorded this cos I was watching a dodgy Australian horror film, sounds like it's worth watching later. Especially if it gets rayban so worked up.
the Han haven’t destablised an entire continent for what? Millennia, if ever?
Feet binding gets in the way of exploring
Missed that was on I may catch up with it later.
Especially if it gets rayban so worked up.
To be fair everything gets him worked up.
I suppose they didnt want the hassle of dividing it into the east vietnam sea, west philippines sea, north indonesian sea, north eastern malayan sea, etc
China is much further away from the Spratly islands where they have been building military bases, than these other countries
Looks like its all heating up there at the moment
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1153781/south-china-sea-Beijing-missile-test-US-trump-Xi-Jinping
The thing the west don't get is that the Chinese are playing the long game. It's not about the outcome in the next 2-3 years as they're really focusing on the long term strategic goals. The current western governments don't see capable of looking past their own nose.
During the Cultural Revolution all religions with "idols" were destroyed except the Islam because they did not have idols. The word God was written "calligraphy" hence they got away while other religions or belief did not. However, there is a slow revival of religions so long as they do not criticise or approved by the govt.
Have isis been active in China?
IMO there might be isis sympathisers but if they are active then China would not mess around and would take actions against the entire community, just like what they are doing now.
It won’t be many generations before the Han Chinese commit cultural/religious genocide on the native population, thus eliminating the muslim “problem”.
They have already started many centuries ago but due to their large population the process takes time. Each dynasty did the same to the population.
Have you seen how many Laos people are being’rehoused'(left for dead) by the
Chinese dams in Laos?and the way they took everything in the vicinity of the new roads they make?
And all the money they ‘lent’ Laos for the new roads, which will have to be paid back somehow?
And the effect these dams have on the mekong, and all the people that depend on its fishing and irrigation to survive?
Lots more chinese dams in cambodia too. And the South China Sea islands,china obviously has no claim to them
And all the chinese logging companies in Borneo,decimating vast areas of pristine rainforest
Its looking like itll be china all the way down to Chihanoukville and beyond
They are the biggest loan shark in the region. The environmental destruction is massive but due to regional corrupted politicians they got away with it.
The 93 year old Msia PM stand up to them but due to the damage done by the previous corrupted Msia PM, he has to give in to some of the Chinese demands. This is the same throughout SE Asia. In a way SE Asia will become a tributary state just like in the past.
As for HK they are fighting a losing battle with China as the grip will tighten even more now but in an invisible way.
Wow! Rayyy!
Let me guess who pissed on your cornflakes,
Mr Kellogg 😂
Have you seen how many Laos people are being’rehoused'(left for dead) by the
Chinese dams in Laos?and the way they took everything in the vicinity of the new roads they make?
And all the money they ‘lent’ Laos for the new roads, which will have to be paid back somehow?
And the effect these dams have on the mekong, and all the people that depend on its fishing and irrigation to survive?
Lots more chinese dams in cambodia too. And the South China Sea islands,china obviously has no claim to them
And all the chinese logging companies in Borneo,decimating vast areas of pristine rainforest
Its looking like itll be china all the way down to Chihanoukville and beyondJust because America had a nuclear bomb, now everybody else wants one. They havent noticed that it was wrong,
See much of Tibet these days?
I must watch this Gulags program
Ever heard of Bhopal?
Tibetans in the family here, they all seem to be doing just fine inside China. Not that Tibet isn’t an issue, but it’s not apartheid South Africa unless you go out of your way to piss off the CCP.
The Han won’t attempt the murdery type of genocide because it conflicts with the image they are desperate to project to the ASEAN nations.
I suppose they didnt want the hassle of dividing it into the east vietnam sea, west philippines sea, north indonesian sea, north eastern malayan sea, etc
China is much further away from the Spratly islands where they have been building military bases, than these other countries
Looks like its all heating up there at the moment
China’s South Sea policy is based on their experience of going from a major world economy to nothing due to British gunboat diplomacy in the region. How the west acted 200 years ago informs how they deal with the west today, especially because we are still hanging on to places such as Diego Garcia.
It’s not about subjugating the whole of Asia, it’s about securing their country against what they see as existential threats based on experience.
It's truly ironic when British people criticise other countries genocides, and specifically how China is maltreating its minorities.
It was an interesting (and maybe overhyped?) bit of television. Obviously I can't comment any more than that cos of all the oppressing and genociding of minorities what I've done.
It's hilarious epicyclo.
I've lost count of the amount of middle class tea sippers who wouldn't dare say something racist - but are quite fine making outrageously ignorant claims like the Chinese aren't creative because their education system beats it out of them (despite the fact that scientific creativity requires mastery of a topic), that China is acting the way it is because they want to conquer half the planet (sorry folks, only our fellow white people want to do that) and that China is at the root of all of our climate issues (again, sorry folks - it's western consumption that drives Chinas pollution, per capita pollution and consumption levels are much lower in China).
The thing is, these wildly ignorant tropes peddled by the none other than the educated classes are what will allow China to completely out flank us. We don't understand their motivations, history or culture and so we are completely unable to react appropriately. Meanwhile China understands us very, very well - it's been watching, learning and trying to understand us studiously since the opium wars.
the oppressing and genociding of minorities what I’ve done
Collective guilt was good enough for the Germans. It's good enough for the modern British in Iraq.
I think it can be best summed up by "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
We need to sort our own governance before we can criticise others with a clear conscience.
What's the latest tally in the Tory eugenics programme being administered by the DWP on the weak and vulnerable in this country? Over 130,000 now I have heard. Makes ISIS look like bloody amateurs...
That's it isn't it really, before we can actually lecture other people on human rights we need to actually look like we believe in it.
I mean we've had Maggie Thatcher, who given Pinochets resources would have created a new island made out of dead leftists in the South Pacific by teatime.
We are such good examples of human rights proponents, we in the west -
* Protected the Iranian people from themselves by overthrowing democratically elected Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadegh in 1953.
* Overthrew the democratic socialist totalitarian communist Jacobo Arbenz and installed a right-wing dictatorship centrist democracy in Guatemala in 1954.
* Supported the benevolent Duvalier dynasty in Haiti
* Took part in military coup backed by the CIA that saw the overthrow of Salvador Allende, a pain in the ass, and installed Augusto Pinochet, a really nice stand up kind of guy.
* Supported the liberal Somoza dynasty and the Contras in Nicaragua in the 1980s
* Attempted to overthrow the democratically elected president of Venezuela in 2002.
* Carried out state sponsored cuddles in Ireland and definitely did not murder anyone or carry out state sponsored terrorism. No sir. #helpforheroes
* Supported right wing paramilitary death squads freedom fighters in Colombia in the 1990s and 2000s.
* Invaded Liberated Iraq against the ruling of the United Nations.
* Detained prisoners at Gitmo without trials or lawyers and saved them money.
To name a few.
That’s it isn’t it really, before we can actually lecture other people on human rights we need to actually look like we believe in it.
You need to calm down dear!!
The OP said an ITV documentary might be an interesting watch.
By all means get your knickers in a twist, however an ITV documentary is a small hop from Grant Mitchell in China's Hardest Gulags on C5. Dont pretend that this exposee will dictate western policy with regard to trade and relations with China.
No he didn't, he said.
Well, it’s not going to be, it already is if you are Muslim and live in China.
This sort of crap is what should share the world as China becomes a military super power.
Dark times.
I don't see how it can get any darker than it already is and has been based on our own actions.
Not too many documentaries and awareness in society of much of the above is there? That's because the attitude is other people bad, British people good.
Now where the **** is my Pimms.
*Starts singing Land of Hope and Glory*
Now where the **** is my Pimms
You have already had too much.
The OP does not dictate foreign policy. My t-shirts still come from China. Raarrgghh!!! How we are all so angry.
The UK's policy towards trade with China is relatively ambivalent and it treads softly softly on human rights despite Grant Mitchell's hardest gulags, and the OP's protestations, so why are you so furious?
I don't think that raybanwomble is a real womble. If he was he'd have gone back to the posts and cleaned up the language
Maybe he's a Chinese chat bot from a dystopian future?
What’s the latest tally in the Tory eugenics programme being administered by the DWP on the weak and vulnerable in this country? Over 130,000 now I have heard.
What does this mean? What are the DWP doing?
Did they go get a room?