[Closed] It's World Vegan Day

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They'll eat veggie versions of all of those. Korma not so much as usually it has cream in it, but it's not spicy enough for them anyway.

Conversely my niece eats meat and all she will eat is pepperoni pizzas and chips. Not sure if that proves anything though.

Same reason that some motorists bait cyclists: it's a minority group making a different choice.

but it's not spicy enough for them anyway.

😆

"extreme" fussy eaters.

I do a great fake doner kebab

Oh? How?

[i]thi is what generally happens

1. What do you eat
2. Why
3. A discussion on protein - they have no idea how much protein you need per day but they are sure you dont get enough- or some such other health angle they dont get - quite often from folk as svelte and healthy as binners.
4. I could never be a vegan because - list all the meat they like- though apparently only we go on about it/our diet.
5. Do you wear leather shoes etc
6. Why do you [ or someone else]- something pointless[/i]

This is scarily accurate. I also have a colleague who tells me lurid tales of when he worked in an abattoir. To be fair he's always a massive ****, not just about veganism 🙂

http://www.worldometers.info/bicycles/

Ok it's from 2012 but this is a bit more relevant to the UK...

https://www.cyclinguk.org/resources/cycling-uk-cycling-statistics

Quite interesting reading too.

thi is what generally happens

Oh yes, and this 🙂 Funny to be asked where vegans get their calcium from if they don't drink milk, from people who's only intake of milk is a couple of cups of tea a day. And I'm not sure where the stereotype of vegans who like to advertise the label comes from. Most vegans I know really don't want to talk about it, mostly as the conversation is so tediously predictable.

thi is what generally happens

We're not all like that. A new member of staff told me she was vegan, so I stopped asking if she wanted milk in her tea. She doesn't comment on my diet so I don't comment on hers.

Oh? How?

So the key thing is to find some veggie chicken that is firm and can be sliced thin like doner meat. I find the best stuff is something called 'gourmet's vegi chicken' which can sometimes be found in chinese supermarkets. The only place I've found it is in W.H Lung's in Manchester next to the University (it's in a chicken shaped packet - honestly!). You do thin slices then marinate it with olive oil, pepper, a touch of cumin and oregano (think this is right, but it's from memory so check on the internet, there's plenty of recipes for the marinade). Then you grill it til it starts to go crispy at the edges. Serve with a naan and the usual salad and chilli sauce of choice and you have a fairly convincing Doner.

If you're near manc a visit to Lung's is well worth it. It's a goldmine of fake meat products, everything from chicken (multiple types), lobster, fish, duck, prawns and god knows what else. They had something called 'vegetarian bowel' once. I wasn't brave enough to try that 🙂

are the ingredients in English on them?

Youngest will likely enjoy this me less so

Yeah. Most of it is vegan. Some is veggie as it has milk protein in it.

CITE please never heard of this and i suspect the issue was neglect - which is not a diet related thing- rather than diet per se. Credible source of claim

Meat eaters would close their kids too - the point is due to malnutrition it does not mean the diet per se is child abuse. Think FFS

Italian couple were prosecuted as the child was malnourished. This isn't a "vegan only" issue and wasn't ment to be suggested as such. you obviously have to feed your children properly vegan or not.

That must be why all vegans have their children taken off them - FFS what on earth made you to type that for everyone to read? Think FFS

vegan diet does not provide all the nutrients hence why you need supplements.

Which you think is only available in beef? He does not need any of this but hey if it keeps social services from removing your kids from you I guess its a price worth paying
Fingers crossed his critical thinking is better than his dads

DHAs and vit B12 are not found in vegetables plus calcium, iron, and zinc are often low in vegans. I didn't say they were only available in beef, that's you reading between the lines. clearly you ain't getting enough DHAs 😉

Also if you're in manc then you can do a tour of the vegan/veggie junk food places. V-rev in the city centre does amazing burgers (I've not been but have it on good authority) and Zad's in Chorlton is a completely vegan fast food place. I left at the wrong time.

vegan diet does not provide all the nutrients hence why you need supplements.

It can though can't it? Things like breakfast cereals and various plant based milks are fortified with quite a few things that otherwise wouldn't be present. Like B12.

So malnutrition leads to the kids being removed not the diet per se - no shit

not sure that was the edingburgh more a rewriting of what you said and what you meant. the poah contradiction?

DHAs and vit B12 are not found in vegetables

B12 is added to loads of stuff but there is no natural source of that for vegans to be accurate but you dont need a supplement to get it but you wont get it without it being added. Everything else you can get with varying degrees of difficulty

I didn't say they were only available in beef, that's you reading between the lines

Not supplementing your bridge based diet any further

I left at the wrong time

Its not what i want when i eat out - a burger should be cheap and cheerful and a meal should be cooked by a chef
YMMV

Cheers will check out the Chinese store

chvck - Member

vegan diet does not provide all the nutrients hence why you need supplements.

It can though can't it? Things like breakfast cereals and various plant based milks are fortified with quite a few things that otherwise wouldn't be present. Like B12.

vegan diet does not provide all the nutrients hence why you need supplements.

B12 (the only thing I know of not in plant based sources) is added to so many foods (cereals, marmite, yeast based products etc) that you can hardly call it a supplement. It's just bloody food. I don't know a single vegan who doesn't eat cereal or marmite or something similar. I know no vegans who take b12 vitamin supplements. And I know a lot of vegans (most of my mates), and not a single one has had any problems with b12 deficiency or anything else for that matter.

do you really consider cornflakes a supplement?

I eat chia seed and linseed ,its done to supplement my diet, but it is still just food.

I think its fair to call breakfast cereal food rather than a supplement

^ stop spoiling the bingo card. Just stop! Let them have [i]something[/i] to tar you with. It helps [s]make you seem less self-righteous[/s] [s]them to feel superior[/s] something something. It just helps, ok?

lol @ 'proving' that cyclists are not actually the minority on the roads, but motorists.

You must be seeing more bikes than cars where you live? Care to share this cycletopia? Because in my neck of the woods a regular cyclist is usually a recognisable individual, so rare are they. Meanwhile cars, endless cars. Like rush hour all day.

Cheers Daz, I'll look into that.

I had no idea it was World Vegan Day. Shows how much 'we' bang on about being vegan. Ho hum.....

It's difficult to find vitamin B12 in plant food though lots of people who are not vegan also have a deficiency in this. I am vegan and don't take a multi vitamin or anything like that. At lot of foods (e.g. breakfast cereal) are supplemented with B12, not necessarily just for vegans. As long as the supplements don't contain animal products I'm not fussed. It's no more unnatural to supplement like this than it is to breast feed from a cow, in my opinion of course.

It's difficult to find vitamin B12 in plant food

To be 100% accurate there is some research that some algae may have it but its unclear as to whether it will stop B12 deficiency and no one actually eats algae.

no one actually eats algae.

I never clean out my camelback so I beg to differ.

The only vegan I personally know who 'bangs on about it' is the girl at work who does so for the one month a year by my estimate that she actually is vegan. You would know anyway tho because that's when she exists entirely on chips. She's trying to do something to be a better person tho so good on her.

I do quite often ask questions of vegans and I hope it's taken as I intend it- genuine interest. I don't think its for me but I'm always open to thinking about improvements, god knows I need them, and with some reservations addressed who knows?

How about the experts sharing their knowledge with us, I do like veggie/vegan food, what can I do with my halloween pumpkin other than the usual roasted or souped? I'm particularly looking at whoever posted the pic of the chunky stew on the pumpkin thread.

I never clean out my camelback so I beg to differ.

I use it for risotto personally as i find its sort of half way between firm like a potato and much anyway

I have made pumpkin pie - its weird tastes like you have tries to make something sweet with a savoury ingredient

Agreed that stew looked nice

Hope the link works
Make if it what you will

I'm still trying to figure out why every vegan I've met looks like their skin's about to fall off...i mean, if it's so healthy and all.

my wife's friend turned vegan last year, and tried to convert my wife, and along the way myself too by sending far left vegan videos to my wife with the line make Jim watch this!

And breathe...

No one likes someone who preaches whether its meat eaters mocking/making up shit about the the health of vegans or vegans doing what they do to you.

I am confident I have experienced the meat eater type thing more often than you have the vegan thing but this is just due to the disparity in numbers of meat to vegans. It impresses no one and its indefensible.

I'm still trying to figure out why every vegan I've met looks like their skin's about to fall off...i mean, if it's so healthy and all.

Hmm, you might want to consider your definition of healthy given that in the UK...

"In 2015, 58 per cent of women and 68 per cent of men were overweight or obese." ([url= http://digital.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB23742 ]source[/url])

My brother is going this way - after a lifetime of eating pork pies and all sorts of meat-based suff with abandon, he suddenly became veggie and since then has bombarded his Facebook timeline with videos etc from the likes of PETA about the cruelty of animal welfare.

I don't do it, but I do understand why some people do. Particularly if they have only recently become aware of the realities of the industries that supply meat, dairy and eggs. And if you do care about animal welfare then just changing your own behaviour isn't going to make any difference. Though if you want to do something about it then preaching and posting PETA videos to your friends on facebook, while easy to do, isn't effective.

after a lifetime of eating pork pies and all sorts of meat-based suff with abandon, he suddenly became veggie

So people aren't allowed to change their opinion on things as new information becomes available to them? 😕

I couldn't care less if he eats raw chicken and downs it with pints of Special Brew or chick peas and water. Just get on and live you life, I'll live mine.

Interesting point of view. At what point would you care? If he bites the head of live bats and drinks their blood. Carves up newborn human babies and eats either livers with a nice chianti and some fava beans. Would you care then? It's his life, it's his business, it's not directly impacting you. Would be a sorry world if we all had that attitude.

So it was world vegan day yesterday. Any recent converts? Long timers? What do you like? What do you miss? Recipes?

If you are happy eating meat then you might prefer to go post on the [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/psa-national-sausage-week ]sausage week[/url] thread. If you have issues with your brother and want to vent, or just want to bash some silly vegan stereotype, then please go start your own thread 🙂

A pumpkin idea.
I don't really do pumpkin but this is one of my go to chunky stew recipes and it says in the small print that they often add pumpkin to it.

http://www.organicallycooked.com/2011/01/chestnut-stew.html

(I use the supermarket packs of pre-cooked chestnuts, shallots that come in 500g packs from Lidl etc, cider instead of wine, and where the recipe says "carnation cloves" it means "cloves")
(and use loads more olive oil than that)

nostoc, like that, thanks.

a little FYI here, there is actually a non-animal, naturally occurring source of dietary B12- mushrooms. only in trace amount, and unclear as to whether it's sufficient to prevent deficiency, however it is bioavailable.

for what it's worth, I've been vegan for near 30 years, never taken a B12 supplement (in fact, the only supplement i do take is vit D3 and that's nothing to do with diet) and i'm not deficient in any essentials.

Yeah, but you've not got long flowing locks like JY

Why not, eh?

😀

mrblobby - Member

So it was world vegan day yesterday. Any recent converts? Long timers? What do you like? What do you miss? Recipes?

Aye, me. I have been veggie for 3 years and as my cognitive dissonance cleared I wanted to bin dairy. That was the easy part, it is all the things that have egg or trace amounts in them. Living with a Vegan has helped me and there are two of us to plan and cook. Maybe the 3 stone weight loss since xmas last near and the not-falling-asleep-on-the-sofa-at-9pm are part of a vitamin def?
I miss tunnocks caramel wafers and a good fish supper. But not enough to eat either of them.

I'm still trying to figure out why every vegan I've met looks like their skin's about to fall off...i mean, if it's so healthy and all.

Are you confusing "vegan" with "heroin user"? 😉

Quite a few of the other halves family are vegan and some also celiac. Love going round theirs as the food is amazing, her auntie still wont give me her nut roast recipe after 5 years of begging.

On a side note, just been diagnosed as milk intolerant a few months ago, bloody hell do I miss cheese. Going for a food allergy test in 2 hours as its just getting worse. Could end up having to go Vegan...no way out of personal choice though, I'd just miss bacon too much. Bad thing is, my 6 month old also may be either milk intolerant or have a milk allergy...kinda feel responsible for it!

Yeah, but you've not got long flowing locks like JY

Why not, eh?

2 options here:

1. i did have, but it all fell out long before i was even veggie

2. i would have, but i'm undercover infiltrating your slaphead gregg's gang (and only half successful with it!)

3. Its a wig

glasgowdan - Member
I'm still trying to figure out why every vegan I've met looks like their skin's about to fall off...i mean, if it's so healthy and all.

Not only is my skin falling off, I was walking down the street the other day and one of my arms fell off. An entire arm! Talk about embarrassing.

should have eaten it to save yourself

I was just thinking about the myth that vegans always tell everyone they meet. I don't do this, but realised that after getting into mountain biking a couple of years ago, i'd drop MTBing into conversation pretty much straight away with anyone I spoke to. It's just an enthusiasm thing, y'know.

every time i get hear that i ask folk if its true that they have no idea what any of their mates eat and are clueless about who eats meat

Does anyone know if Binners is a meat eater?

Bad thing is, my 6 month old also may be either milk intolerant or have a milk allergy...kinda feel responsible for it!

Good chance they'll grow out of it so don't worry on that front, even if not it's hardly a huge problem these days and they won't miss what they've never had either so no "ooohhhhh i really miss cheese" even in the worst* case.

*it's really not that bad.

Bad thing is, my 6 month old also may be either milk intolerant or have a milk allergy...kinda feel responsible for it!

You're not. Have a read of this...

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/nov/21/should-humans-drink-cows-milk

My vegan rice pud:
(Serves 4-8 depending on greed)
2 cups short grain pudding rice
1.5 to 2 litres litre sweetened soy milk or almond milk
I x can full-fat coconut cream (The thick white stuff including the clear liquid, use whole can)
2-3 tblspns sugar (I use dark/brown or golden sugar)
Teaspoon almond essence
Teaspoon pure vanilla extract
Pinch of nutmeg
Pinch of cinnamon
Pinch of allspice
Pinch of salt
Grated orange zest
Handful sultanas

Mix all ingredients together in saucepan, cover, bring to gentle boil on stove top, stirring occasionally. Once boiling turn down heat then simmer for 40-45 minutes until soft, stirring occasionally so it doesn't stick and burn.

Optional extras:

- Add a cup of pumpkin puree while simmering and/or some yellow food colouring.

- Add a splash of whisky, brandy or rum.

May wish to add more or less liquid, fruit, sugar, spices etc... experiment until you get it exactly how you want it. Experimenting = more pud 😉

*Edit

1 x can of full-fat coconut [s]cream[/s] milk

It just looks like hard cream.

Just aim for 1:4 (or even 1:5) rice:liquid ratio overall - and all should be good.

Thanks for that MR, I'm making that asap. Arroz con leche is a thing here and it just looks sad and crap. I'm not really a pudding person but I'll be taking that round the inlaws on Christmas eve.

Not sure about these B12 refuseniks - I've never seen any science to the effect that it actually isn't essential so I'll play it safe for the sake of a 15€ jar of tablets (bought once or twice a year, does me and the boy)

We use those 'Nutritious Savoury yeast flakes' to give cheesy/nutty taste to recipes that benefit. Called B12 flakes or something.

*edit:

Engevita (other brands available). I add a tblsp or 2 to mash in (say) a pie, or add to soups, casseroles etc. It just melts in so is super-versatile in most hot dishes, I find. As is yeast-extract for adding that 'zing-thing' that can sometimes lack in non-meat dishes. I find either the above flakes or extract (ie Marmite etc) [b]coupled with Puy lentils and chopped mushrooms (cooked together in bouillon) to effectively replace any minced-meat craving[/b] I may have. Game-changer for me. Shepherds/cottage pies, chillis, bolognaise, keema curries etc etc. Hardly ever use soy-mince now.

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Not sure about these B12 refuseniks

i think the view was it was added to everything so no need to worry not thst we dont need it.

We definitely need B12 - it's added to a lot of foods, including animal feed, and injected directly into farm animals, as they suffer from deficiency too, ironically!

[url= https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12 ]This is a good article about where vegans can get B12 from[/url]

CITE please
i think the view was it was added to everything so no need to worry not thst we dont need it.

I'm a B12 fence sitter, not trying to convince anyone either way. A mate (vegan) had bloods done for something else (tick bite I think) and he turned out to be deficient. The most vocal* of refuseniks, Durian Rider, who happily fed vegan forums with B12 conspiracy theories about 10 years ago is now, I note, taking intramuscular shots of the stuff.

*struggled to think of a diplomatic way of putting that

Back to scram, just about the first 'vegan' thing I learnt to make* was engevita on toast, mixed up with olive oil or vegan butter, spread on toast to bubble up under the grill for a few mins. Would've been about 1992 😳 - still get aid shipments of the stuff sent over from the UK today!

*not counting Beanfeasts 😳

Bachelors Beanfeast is the first "vegan" thing that I can remember eating, must have been about 1980 (though I was far from vegan then) I can remember being surprised how tasty and filling it was.

I never use those yeast flakes because I spent so long working in a microbiology lab and the ever present smell of autoclaving malt/yeast extract agar together with that of all the crap that had accumulated in the bottom of the autoclave has put me off for life. Quite fine with marmite (Meridian version)though.

I started buying occasional jars of B12 tablets a few years ago after thirty years or so of veganism. If you eat enough fortified foods you will be fine but sometimes I go months with no soya milk/marmite. And B12 supplements are simply a fermentation product of bacteria - nothing wrong with that

They had vegans in the 80’s?

Who knew?

Mrs Daz once went to a vegan fancy dress party in a home made engevita costume. I wasn’t there unfortunately, it was before my time and I was still gorging on doner kebabs.

Bachelors Beanfeast

I had that once. I made a meal for my parents using it when home from Uni about 20 years ago. Gave everyone who partook chronic flatulence for a couple of days after. It's still mentioned today!

I've just gone dairy free this week, after reading up on the environmental impact of animal agriculture. Been veggie for about 12 years and don't have much dairy so it's not a big change, the only difficult thing is not grating cheese on everything.

Made a huge batch of dahl ready for freezing this evening, so I can dig it out and embellish with some veggies whenever.

So the key thing is to find some veggie chicken that is firm and can be sliced thin like doner meat. I find the best stuff is something called 'gourmet's vegi chicken' which can sometimes be found in chinese supermarkets. The only place I've found it is in W.H Lung's in Manchester next to the University (it's in a chicken shaped packet - honestly!). You do thin slices then marinate it with olive oil, pepper, a touch of cumin and oregano (think this is right, but it's from memory so check on the internet, there's plenty of recipes for the marinade). Then you grill it til it starts to go crispy at the edges. Serve with a naan and the usual salad and chilli sauce of choice and you have a fairly convincing Doner.

Cheers dazh - just had a bloody tasty fake chicken doner for dinner after reading this!
Used the Linda McCartney chicken marinated in sriracha hot sauce in a pita with a homemade riata (took 5 min). Absolutely fabulous. Definitely a new vegan favourite.

I'm very tempted to try that fake doner. Just had a look at fake chicken and they all seem to be too high in saturated fat and salt for me. Anyone know of any low in these? I think I'm gonna be trying to make my own using [url= https://www.exceedinglyvegan.com/vegan-recipes/mains/easy-vegan-chicken-fillets-mushroom-gravy-and-sweet-potato-m ]https://www.exceedinglyvegan.com/vegan-recipes/mains/easy-vegan-chicken-fillets-mushroom-gravy-and-sweet-potato-m[/url]

Within the last 6 months, 90% of my meals have become vegan. I have friends who struggle with the concept of eating "mostly vegan" but as I do it for environmental reasons, I find it easiest to compare to cycling to work - I do it most of the time but there's some days where it's just not convenient.

Re recipes, this is the tastiest thing I have made in years: http://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-food/recipe-black-bean-and-pecan-butter-sauce-over-grilled-eggplant-and-sauteed-spinach/

Also, this is an amazing seafood themed sandwich filler:
Mayonnaise:
Gradually blend 2dL of oil into 1dL soy milk with 1tbsp lemon juice and 1tsp mustard
Filling:
Mix mayo with standard sized packet of tofu, couple of teaspoons of chopped dill and a jar of seaweed pearls (may have to go to IKEA for these - I learnt the recipe in Sweden)

Today I really missed a bacon and egg sarnie. After last month's attempt with those nasty-tasting floppy facon rashers I was not feeling confident but desperation gave way to crass ingenuity.

Grabbed an egg from our friend's chickens (who are most evidently very happy and enjoying their freedom)

Fried one up with along with sliced tomato and mushrooms.

A handful of Lidl bacon rasher snacks (or any similar vegan Frazzle clones) added to pan for last few minutes of cooking.

Behold the cruelty-free legend that just passed my lips!

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Daddies sauce completed it. I am sated. Just trying to hold off making another as is definitely unhealthy but bloody delicious. Seitan can wait...next time feeling naughty will also try that doner recipe.

Tonight am attempting cooking chickpea, butternut squash and wild mushroom morrocan tagine

Leek & potato soup for me tonight. Can't fault a classic.

(Not vegan as I use milk, but that could be easily substituted.)

Despite not being vegan or even veggie, I ended up at [url= https://m.facebook.com/burgerlolz/photos/?ref=page_internal&mt_nav=1 ]BurgerLolz[/url], and had a lovely all day breakfast hot dog with some sides, and thoroughly enjoyed it. So for those in Sheffield of a vegan leaning or not, great little place.

Poor chicken ovaries.

Looks good.

Still perfecting the chilli non-carne. Last night's was 'best yet' so will dare to share!

[b]Green Lentil Chilli non-Carne[/b]

[b]Ingredients:[/b]

Two tblspns oil (I used rice bran oil)
1 1/2 cups dried dark green lentils (small speckled ones). Note - no other lentils will do for this recipe. Small and firm is the key to texture here.
3 x cups liquid stock/bouillon powder dissolved in hot water (see pack for quantities)
Big teaspoon of Marmite/yeast extract
2 x diced onions
2 x diced bell peppers
6 x chopped mushrooms
3 x chopped garlic cloves
1x tblspn tomato paste
1x can red kidney beans (drained)
1 x can of chopped toms (or 5 x large fresh toms) w/juice
Handful of fresh oregano
4 x teaspoons ground cumin
3 x teaspoons smoked paprika
Handful of dark chocolate or cocoa powder
1/2 tblspn sugar, sweetener or honey.
Hot chilli flakes/powder to taste (recommend 2 x level teaspoons, can always add more after cooking)
2 x tblspns B12 Savoury Yeast Flakes
Salt and pepper to taste

[b]Method:[/b]

Add dried lentils to heavy pan
Add liquid stock plus yeast extract/Marmite
Bring to boil then simmer 25 mins/until most liquid is absorbed
Meanwhile soften onions in oil in another pan
Add peppers, mushrooms and garlic to onions and sauté for a few minutes stirring all of the time.
Transfer onions/peppers/garlic to lentils
Add all other ingredients *except for kidney beans and yeast flakes*. Stir well
Cover and cook until lentils are slightly al-dente, not mushy and flat. Aim for 'plump and perfect'. You'll know if they're too chewy so keep tasting until satisfied.
Add kidney beans and savoury yeast flakes and stir in. Simmer for further 5-10 mins.

Serve with plain tortilla chips*, pickled jalapeños, any vegan dip. In place of sour-cream use vegan yoghurt or whipped coconut milk and spot of lime juice.

*Also great served on rice or jacket spuds.

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Poor chicken ovaries.

Are eggs their ovaries?

I thought an unfertilised ovum/womb lining etc. was the nearest equivalent of a chicken egg. So everytime I chow down on a fried egg sarnie, I'm eating chicken menstruation product...

...my (vegan, not strictly ethical) sister gleefully reminds me of this whenever I see her!

Still tastes good though, right up there with taramasalata!