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I cannot believe that with any seriousness you would suggest they have! It is a ludicrous proposition.
The rise of "Youth Culture" literally happened when you were a teenager. The idea that we don't live in that inherited world is wilful ignorance - For God's sake; the Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan are still touring...
the obvious answer is war…
If only that were true
It’s for others to call whether the post war generation was selfish or just lucky, but you can’t argue that they’ve not influenced (more than other generations have in history) all the lives of those around them
Really? & the lost generation of the First World War? Sent to their deaths in their millions by their parents & grandparents? The stuff you spout really shows how much history gets forgotten.
Just trying to guess which one of those characters from that Politics JOE video is Gauss1777.
The rise of “Youth Culture” literally happened when you were a teenager. The idea that we don’t live in that inherited world is wilful ignorance – For God’s sake; the Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan are still touring…
I’m sorry, I just don’t follow anything you are saying. You seem to be arguing that Boomers have influenced all the lives of those around them, more than at any other time in history… the Stones and Dylan are still touring !?!
but you can’t argue that they’ve not influenced (more than other generations have in history) all the lives of those around them
I applaud anyone making every effort to reduce their consumption, going vegetarian for instance...but in reality the individual could make a greater positive impact by just eating a billionaire...
Considering how good boomers had it in the post war period, the obvious answer is war…
only for the winning side, and with the proviso that you don't wreck your own country while doing it...
Well someone had to make the BMWs, Mercs and Audis for the boomers to enjoy at their leisure!
(then of course, you need to go further afield to ensure a steady supply of fuel for such decadence...)
This thread is fun.
I’m sorry, I just don’t follow anything you are saying.
The 60's and 70's literally challenged everything (your generation invented the idea of "teenager") and created the cultural and political world in which we live today. From music and film the influence is all persuasive still, to how and why war is fought, to the social politics of race and sex; Everything. No generation has ever had as much influence.
Judging by the selfishness of the vast majority (most people seem to aspire to flash cars & the latest tech etc & are held back only by affordability) I recon rationing is the only way forward & that's about as likely as....
The 60’s and 70’s literally challenged everything
Hmmm... is it the generation, or the technology?
We're talking the same period when TV began to permeate the collective consciousness...
And let's not forget Henry Kissinger
but in reality the individual could make a greater positive impact by just eating a billionaire…
Ohhhh shortbread. Mmmmmmm.
The stuff you spout really shows how much history gets forgotten.
Not at all, the deaths of millions at the beginning of the 20th Century radically changed a great deal of things, - without doubt, but WW2 pretty much put a stop to it. Post war settlements for returning or surviving soldiers have always happened in history but none more so than to the parents of the Boomers, who got money, influence employment and access to education in a way that was hardly seen before, and those folks' kids were handed the fruits of that on a plate...We still live in their shadow.
And let’s not forget Henry Kissinger
No, let's all try to forget Henry 🤣
Kenry Hissinger? Never heard of him!
"Post war settlements for returning or surviving soldiers have always happened"
This is so, so true.
Without the 2 world wars we wouldn't have the social contract that has existed for the last 70 years.
Empire ended when at the close of WW2 when British soldiers (ground crew at Dum Dum airfield) mutinied, refusing to put bombs on planes to bomb 'insurgents' in India who wanted their freedom in the immediate aftermath of WW2. The RAF ground crew were executed.
Those British servicemen who had spent years away from home fighting 'fascism' weren't prepared to become fascists themselves, all they wanted was to go home and vote for a new deal.
As a minor point of order:
Talk to my Mum, mid-80’s.
If she's in her mid-80s then your mum is not a Boomer, she's from the Silent Generation. The Baby Boomers are the generation born as part of the postwar baby boom.
It's possibly that people who remember the years leading up to, during and/or just after the second world war have a different perspective to those who grew up in the (comparatively) good times that followed after.
Gen X'ers are by far the coolest of all of these, all of the others just a bit whingy...
I never knew I was Generation X, always thought of myself as a late Boomer 🙂
in reality the individual could make a greater positive impact by just eating a billionaire…
Look, I'm no capitalist, my politics are significantly left of the UK centre, but it's not that simple.
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Where is the evidence for this?
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I follow #PoliticsJoe on twitter, he was interviewing a bunch of conservatives
As a boomer (something I didn't choose to be) and conservative-hater I can assure you that equating boomers and conservatives is incorrect.
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As a boomer (something I didn’t choose to be)
none of us chose when we were born. but the majority of your cohort have, through their actions, knowingly or obliviously, been a part of the cause of the issues we are discussing here.
Similarly, I have never consumed avocado toast in my life, nor had any debt beside my student loan. The repurcussions of the latter on many of my generation could be the next great issue.
To answer the OP:
When do you think we’ll see major disruption and shifts in the way humanity lives on planet earth?
We will see them soon enough, a decade or two. The thing is, the world has only been this way since WW2 in the USA, approx the 60s in the UK (or even 80s depending on your view) and Western Europe, and even more recently in other places. Barely even one lifetime. The world changes more quickly than we think - we're the ones who've seen stability and consistency for most of our lives, so we find it hard to imagine anything else.
As a boomer (something I didn’t choose to be) and conservative-hater I can assure you that equating boomers and conservatives is incorrect.
Why did near 70% of that age group vote the Tories in then? Take away that age group from the previous election and we'd have had an alternative government, probably a coalition, and we wouldn't have done Brexit either. These are facts we know from polling data.
I can assure you that equating boomers and conservatives is incorrect.
Sure. I didn't do that. It was what he said rather than his politics that was pertinent to the discussion.
As you get older your more likely to change political views towards conservativism as you squire more wealth and want to keep hold of it. The younger you are the less wealth you have and you are more inclined to have liberal views.
Boomers may generally speaking be more conservative now, but may not have been 60yrs ago.
Take away that age group from the previous election and we’d have had an alternative government, probably a coalition, and we wouldn’t have done Brexit either.
Equally if we could encourage more under 40's to vote then the out come would change.
Why did near 70% of that age group vote the Tories in then? Take away that age group from the previous election and we’d have had an alternative government, probably a coalition, and we wouldn’t have done Brexit either. These are facts we know from polling data.
Is there a specific age when your views and opinions become irrelevant and shouldn't be counted? Over 60 - naah you're not allowed to vote anymore as you'll soon be dead!
Looking at that data Labour just have to wait a bit then they've got the next few decades sewn up.
Is there a specific age when your views and opinions become irrelevant and shouldn’t be counted?
What's the minimum age to join STW?
As you get older your more likely to change political views towards conservativism as you squire more wealth and want to keep hold of it
Yeah that’s logical but in my own case I find myself going the other way as more experience shows me more examples of how we’re screwed over by established interests.
Why did near 70%
Near 60%. Again I think that’s the silent generation at near 70%.
As to why, no doubt there are a number of reasons. Yougov suggests education is a significant factor - despite all their luxuries the silent generation & Boomers did not receive the education that later generations did. Or, perhaps more of generation Z should have voted.
On the whole, people from each generation are very similar. Yet, again I find myself ‘arguing’ with people who I pretty much agree with, whilst the government tears the country apart.
Yet, again I find myself ‘arguing’ with people who I pretty much agree with, whilst the government tears the country apart.
Divide n conquer innit... pretty much sums up the political system of Her Majesty's gov and indeed the majority of 2 party systems modelled on it
"On the whole, people from each generation are very similar."
I'll go with that. What you're not taking into account though is the humongous demographic shift we are experiencing and how that spells disaster for the near future, not just in a generation or two's time.
Yougov suggests education is a significant factor
I've always disagreed with this stat when comparing across age groups.
I (millenial) am of the age where education to 18 was mandatory, and 50%+ went to university. In my parents generation merely having A levels marked you as an elite.
Across the population, average formal education level correlates with age. Obviously this does not correlate with intelligence.
I might add, that despite what the Mail comments might have you beleive, in 4 years at an elite university, not once did a single professor or member of staff even mention, let alone preach, their political or social views to me.
One had strong opinions on apple vs android; another was very into obscure alternative rock music and would award prizes for people who could identify a band.
What you’re not taking into account though…
How do you know I’m not?
In truth, I’m not even sure what you are trying to say.
When do you think we’ll see major disruption and shifts in the way humanity lives on planet earth?
30-50 years.
There'll be widespread and frequent droughts meaning that bread-basket countries won't be able to provide, and other countries with a more temperate climate won't be geared up to produce. Cue food shortages, hunger, civil disobedience, civil unrest and finally anarchy. Food and medicine will become the new oil, and wars will be waged over it (see Russia taking control of Ukrainian grain). Eventually famines the like of those hitherto confined to East African countries will hit Europe and The West, and suddenly we'll sit up and take notice, but by then it's too late, the train is already careering down the tracks out of control because nobody applied the brakes at the start.
Cheap energy is now a thing of the past, and food is going the same way.
I see in 50 years that we'll have reverted to a completely different economy, with smaller local shops, people shopping more frequently for much smaller amounts, and so wasting less (how much food do you throw out from your fridge/bread bin etc as it's gone mouldy?), and also growing more of their own. Out of necessity. Do we really need bananas, strawberries etc in mid-winter?
There was a programme on recently about how much is involved in importing bananas so that they hit the shops just as they ripen. Insane amounts of energy are involved. But we've moved away from eating seasonally because we've been spoiled for too long.
The house of cards will come crashing down, and, though it pains me to say it, all those climate protestors who blocked the M25 and were ridiculed by Richard Madeley (****), Piers Morgan (****++), et al, will be proven to be right. But by then it's too late, 'cos that train's already out of control.
I think somebody on here recently showed a screenshot of FR24 with all the planes criss-crossing Europe. Proof, if it were needed, that many people wring their hands and promise to change, turn the stat down a degree etc, as long as they can still fly off abroad for their two-week holiday, because, you know, they don't want to be inconvenienced that much.
They could have taken the train, but it's already halfway down the tracks, and appears to be out of control...
A grim and slightly apocalyptic vision, but there's no sugar-coating it. Anything deemed to be beyond the lifespan of anybody here now, us/children/grandchildren, etc, is deemed to be too far away to acknowledge and worry about. So prophecies of 200-300 years are dismissed, but IF we're talking 30-50 years, that's potentially within the lifetime of most of us on here.
And it may be the reason for the demise of many of us, or our descendants.
Air travel will be up against the wall pretty quickly. We've shown we don't need much business travel, holiday makers can manage at home well enough, and that'll push prices high enough to deter most folk. Then airlines will fold and it'll end up more expensive which will cause yet fewer people to fly. Then fewer people will emigrate overseas or meet foreigners and marry them; and we'll be where we were 60 years ago.
Agree with Creaking and Mol'.
But Billy Idol was born 1955 - so why was he in Generation X ??
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I never knew I was Generation X, always thought of myself as a late Boomer 🙂
I'm a Generation X by 3 days! Nearly everyone else that I grew up with is a Millenial, explains why I'm always the odd one out 🤣
Air travel will be up against the wall pretty quickly.
I hope so, here's the average consumer voting with their feet to responsibly limit the excessive pollution caused by air travel, one days flights last week:
Band name based on book Gen X published 1964
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As a left of center and woke boomer, "boomer" is one of the few insults I'll bite at. The bite goes along the lines of: Born 60, finished A-levels just in time for the Winter of discontent, graduated into three million unemployed, worked on underpaid temporary contracts till 86 and then went in search of greener grass abroad (and happily found it). Now let's compare that with your birth year.
Thought Michael Stipe had died. As you were…
Good point Edukator, the last of the boomers, born in the early 60's got shafted good and proper. As one of the very first Gen Xers, I was fully aware what a difficult time those just a little older than me had had.
Still, you had punk though!
is one of the few insults I’ll bite at.
Why? It's not aimed at you personally. (in the nicest possible way) Your experience as a Boomer is meaningless. In the same way that BMI as a population measure has significance, at an individual level it's often wildly inaccurate. Elon Musk is a Gen X'er, it doesn't mean that all Gen X'ers are empty-souled tosspots with more money than sense.
You think we could afford concert tickets! But yeah, doing the Christmas post and industrial cleaning at Longbridge paid for a few nights at Barb's.
By the time I could afford to fly I knew about CO2. I've flown 9 times in my life, counting both ways, of which 4 were holiday flights instigated by Madame: Rome, a dump, and Lanzatote, a bigger dump. It's easy not to fly, I hate it.
Edit to reply to Nick:
Most insults are pretty daft or hollow. **** off! - willingly. ****er! - yeah masturbation is healthy... . Boomer supposes a boom when if you take any objective measure of how well off the boomers were in the boom years every generation since has been richer. It's also that when I get called boomer it's generally by a 20 something Brit or German who despite claiming poverty has already travelled the world without ever sticking their thumb out to hitch a lift and complain if the temperature indoors is below 20 or above 24.
As a left of center and woke boomer, “boomer” is one of the few insults I’ll bite at.
Its a generalisation and so not true for everyone but just a general trend.
In the same way I was advantaged over those later than me in general. Of course someone from the next gen who went to Eton and whose parents smoothed the way into their first job will be better off than me but the equivalent person from the same sort of background and schooling I had wont be. They will have a bigger bill to pay off and depending where they fall in the generation have entered a far harder job market and harsher conditions.
A badly off boomer will have started in a worse condition from me, as indeed did my parents (although borderline silent generation), but if they hadnt managed to escape their upbringing I would have had had a far harder time. This would have then bounced into the later generations.
is one of the few insults I’ll bite at.
Why? It’s not aimed at you personally.
I can't believe we're doing this again but don't generalise people.
It's ok to say 'people of the boomer generation are more likely to do X and Y' because that's a matter of statistics.
It is not okay to say 'boomers are X and Y', or even 'boomers are generally X and Y', because that's potraying boomers a particular way, which is really annoying for the boomers who aren't that way.
[edit] Just CBA with another argument with the usual suspects
I can’t believe we’re doing this again but don’t generalise people.
Aside from that requires amazing precision and a thousand and one exceptions to every statement.
Do you really do that in everything you post or do you assume the people you are dealing with have an IQ above room temperature and can handle the concept that a larger population might display certain traits?
Even within the posts above Edukator displays a certain stereotyping of all those "20 something Brit or German" which does display a certain lack of awareness.
Doom and Gloom
PAH !
It's a brave new world.
Or at least it will be after an all encompassing war to use up old stock...
the resulting economic boom brought about by gathering the resources to manufacture the replacement arsenal may even give us a bit left over to address environmental concerns and stop the whinging about mass extinction; it is just another name for corporate streamlining after all!
I think most of us would say that we're in for change.
A perfect shitstorm of various factors is going to force that change whether people want it or not.
Rarely do you get the change you want.
Have a read of Collapse by Jared Diamond. Quite a few parallels with past societies and now.
The outlook is pretty bleak, imo.
It's the same people calling me Boomer who are going to have to live with "the end of the world as we know it" yet have a carbon footprint previous generations could only dream of.
Sure there are exceptions but if we want to generalise then the current influencer-led generation of young adults is emmitting CO2 at an alarming rate.
A 70s aerial view of a unversity showed mainly grass and buildings. Today you'll find the view dominated by car parks and cars.
Every generation since the industrial revolution has polluted more than the previius one and there is little sign of that changing, with one excetption, making babies.
Among the intellectual elite junior dips in and out they are deciding not to have kids as they don't want to condemn their offspring to a misserable existence on greenhoused planet at war. They are not wrong. Then there are those who only intellectualise to the point of choosing between flash holidays and expensive childcare and have none or one. Even those that don't intellectualise often don't want the hassle.
Guilty as acused if you accuse me of generalising about those calling me boomer No-one outside that demographic has ever used boomer as an insult or piss-take against me.
It's easy to blame generation whatever for the mess the world is in. Fact is it's going to take every generation everywhere to do something constructive and the influencer-led generation really isn't helping.
70% of UK flights are taken by less than 15% of the population.
Mate of mine travels twice a week from Brighton to Edinburgh.
I had an odd thought the other day in Tesco. Very little of the veg was loose without packaging. All I could hear was the sound of crinkling plastic.
I assume all those that demand we reduce consumption are in favour of a UBI? I mean, once we all stop flying, driving, and working in many sectors, those people will need to earn.
There are more than enough potential jobs in insulating buildings and renewable energy to absorb those laid of in the most wasteful sectors.
Do you really do that in everything you post or do you assume the people you are dealing with have an IQ above room temperature and can handle the concept that a larger population might display certain traits?
If we're talking about IQ, it really doesn't take much to re-word your sentences to be less derogatory. That's all I'm asking; and I'm asking it because it's more accurate and less likely to piss people off, which are both things to strive for I think.
I assume all those that demand we reduce consumption are in favour of a UBI? I mean, once we all stop flying, driving, and working in many sectors, those people will need to earn.
I am, but not for those reasons. As has been shown repeatedly over the last 250 years or so, when you make people's jobs obselete, they don't just sit around doing nothing for long, they find something else to do. Have a look at Nokia, the biggest high tech employer in Finland. When they folded, all the people who worked there didn't just go home and cry, they went away and set up other businesses, or they went to work for other tech businesses who now had the capacity to do loads more work.
There are more than enough potential jobs in insulating buildings and renewable energy to absorb those laid of in the most wasteful sectors.
Can you prove that?
Genuinely interested
Can you prove there aren't more to the point.
People have been dissing the blindingly obvious solutions for years. Think.
Just do a few back of envelope caculations on how many energy seive houses and business premises there are to insulate (nearly all of them) and then multiply by the number of man hours to do that. If you get to a number with fewer than 9 or 10 zeros you're not even close.
It’s the same people calling me Boomer who are going to have to live with “the end of the world as we know it” yet have a carbon footprint previous generations could only dream of.
Sure there are exceptions but if we want to generalise then the current influencer-led generation of young adults is emmitting CO2 at an alarming rate.
A 70s aerial view of a unversity showed mainly grass and buildings. Today you’ll find the view dominated by car parks and cars.
Every generation since the industrial revolution has polluted more than the previius one and there is little sign of that changing, with one excetption, making babies.
Among the intellectual elite junior dips in and out they are deciding not to have kids as they don’t want to condemn their offspring to a misserable existence on greenhoused planet at war. They are not wrong. Then there are those who only intellectualise to the point of choosing between flash holidays and expensive childcare and have none or one. Even those that don’t intellectualise often don’t want the hassle.
Guilty as acused if you accuse me of generalising about those calling me boomer No-one outside that demographic has ever used boomer as an insult or piss-take against me.
It’s easy to blame generation whatever for the mess the world is in. Fact is it’s going to take every generation everywhere to do something constructive and the influencer-led generation really isn’t helping.
OK boomer
Can you prove there aren’t more to the point.
Eh? Im not claiming anything. You made a statement, why would it be up to me to prove one way or the other? Its any facts behind your statement piqued my interest so I asked a question.
Im not really interested in back of envelope calculations but some genuine assessments on the impact on employment would be good to see.
Have a look at Nokia, the biggest high tech employer in Finland. When they folded, all the people who worked there didn’t just go home and cry, they went away and set up other businesses, or they went to work for other tech businesses who now had the capacity to do loads more work
But what people are demanding is less tech, less of everything. So all those people who are highly trained and skilled, do they just have nothing to aspire too? We all grow our on food and revert back to how we were hundreds of years ago? I mean, I'm all for change I really am, but the consequences either way are pretty dire. We either go out in a ball of flames or we kill each other on the streets. Yes, I'm being hugely over dramatic.
about those calling me boomer
The only person calling you a boomer on this thread is you. Like I said; stop taking it personally.
I'm not demanding less tech, I'd like to see more of it used to reduce energy demand, increase alternative energy output, provide energy efficient homes and transport, healthy food... .
At present the highest tech things we have are used to blow things up or put billionaires in orbit for a few minutes.
Three posts above yours, Nick. 😋
And if no-one has smiled wrily at any of my posts on boomers I've played straighter than intended. The stuff on investment on infrastructure to reduce energy demand is however heart felt.
If I'm serious about the generational conflict it's that where the older generations I know disappoint me is that they get all enthusiastic about the arrival of a grand child and then tell me they don't care about global warming because they'll be dead by then.
We need a bit more solidarity between generations and few more politicians without one foot in the grave and the other in an oil company board room
We either go out in a ball of flames or we kill each other on the streets
You know in Hollywood films when the building's on fire and everyone runs out screaming and trampling over each other to get away? In reality, everyone just walks - mostly pretty calmly it turns out, to the exits and helps those that are struggling.
Three posts above yours,
I know I saw, are you surprised? you seem to have, rather than a chip on your shoulder, a vast cauldron of french fries. I think your leg is being pulled, no?
Meh, this type of doomsday prophecy has been going on for centuries, the reality is we are living in the best era ever, we have the best levels of healthcare, the most educated population, we don't have a lot of limitations like other eras, children have access to education, they can be what they want to be in many instances, i know not all, but a hell of a better percentage than a 100/200/300 years ago and so on, they are living longer and healthier lives, yes end of life can be basically life prolonging without much joy, but we've eradicated many diseases and can fix more.
We sit about looking at the negative, but look at the positive as well, i know kids in my daughters class who have learning difficulties, or disabilities, we are genuinely moving in leaps and bounds to equalise a lot of these issues, in a few areas we already have and they will have the same chances when facing the employment markets, or lifestyles.
So yes, we do have issues, the environment is a big one and of course cost of living is another big one just now, but at the same time most of us are still pootering about, living in a nice house, having all the mod cons for life (TV, Computer, bikes, cars, etc, etc), going on holidays and enjoying time with friends, family and so on, which is showing society is moving in the right direction in a lot of areas, of course if it is all extremely bad and doomed, then it's probably Keir Starmer's fault 😂
Who is pulling the leg of whom, Nick?
I don't eat French fries, they're digusting reconstituted things cooked in sun flower oil sold by an American corpoation. Frites are OK, I've eaten them once so far this year with a kebab from the Bosphore.
But what people are demanding is less tech, less of everything. So all those people who are highly trained and skilled, do they just have nothing to aspire too?
Not really. You might want less consumer tech in your life, but do you want to go back to having bank payments take 10 days to clear, and having thousands of people employed to push the paper around?
the reality is we are living in the best era ever,
I would say probably except for a few things. The shit is finally hitting the fan with global warming, despite lots of other things in our environment here in the west being much improved; and the fact inequality is rising and living standards falling after so many years of the opposite.
I feel optimistic that a change is coming, I just hope I'm around to see it and my kids can benefit from it. There'll be a rebound, just as there was after the Great Depression.
Air travel will be up against the wall pretty quickly.
It really won’t. Air travel is already predicted to recover from the pandemic 3 years earlier than predicted. The prophesied demise of business travel hasn’t happened and Airbus is investing billions to make sure sustainable flight happens within the next 15 years. It’ll start with SAF which is largely BS, but it’s a start and end with LH2 direct burn.
Global aviation contributes 2.2% of climate emissions. That’s for everything - people and goods. The global trainers/sneaker industry accounts for 1.7% of emissions and contributes nothing. No movement of food, medicine, goods or skills.
Aviation isn’t the evil that everyone seems to think it is and even what it is doing is being engineered out.
If people really care then they should consume in moderation.
As for the end of the world why bother? If the world ends we all vanish. No memory, nothing. Therefore, why worries? Let it be and if you wish you can educate your future generations survival skills and the rest is up to them. You don't live their lives and they don't live your life. When your time is up, your only last few minutes is to recall your memory for the one last time and after that you no longer exist. (from religious perspective your physical shell/form start to decay and to rot, then your energy disperse throughout the universe, not sure which one, eventually reform somewhere ...)
Try to live a happy live now and ignore all the junks out there, because the last few minutes of your remaining life is to recall your current life and you want that to be a happy memory so you can depart/vanish in peace/happiness. Otherwise, you will cling on to your existence and regrets; and your last few minutes will be fear, which will make you suffer even more before departure. As for baby boomers/Gen X, your clock is ticking and if you are lucky you have another 50 years to live otherwise probably another 30 years (assuming average age is in the 80s and you are in your 50s now).
It really won’t. Air travel is already predicted to recover from the pandemic 3 years earlier than predicted. The prophesied demise of business travel hasn’t happened
I mean long term, after a couple of decades of recessions and sliding living standards. Because we won't have the money to fund it any more.
Born in 1961 was perfect for music - but yes shafted good and proper. The ladders were being pulled up as you approached them. Worse still is that even us 80s dolites had it so much better than many today.
All these silly 'generation' names are just another divisionary tactic. Bloody astrology.
@chewkw - I believe we are being rationed to in effect force us to moderate by way of cost and limitiations of supply.
Which I'll be honest has more pros from my perspective.
I strongly believe we the people have had it far too good far too quickly and that the 1% realise this has to end for the masses.
As doom conspiracist as that sounds.
Your sentiment of energy dispersed and fear of regrets was felt by me and will take from this thread to live life more and more each day onwards.
🤘
What an interesting back and forth about energy usage.
Here we are, on a forum, power needed to have this argument is the TV/monitor(draws power), a computer(draws power) light(power), heating perhaps(more power) cup of tea/coffee(power) just to have an argument about people using power in their everyday lives.
Hilariously surreal.
Hilariously surreal.
Without discussion, nothing would happen & the forum wouldn't exist - .
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
Aviation isn’t the evil that everyone seems to think it is
Its possibly the biggest personal pointless polluter you can remove from your life very very easily, which is why it has all the hype.
Its possibly the biggest personal pointless polluter you can remove from your life
The one flight to Europe most average folks do a year in the grand scheme of things isn't much. The per person fuel use of a full 787 or A220 is only little bit more than a car. Pollution from aviation increases as you take up more space in a plane and fly more frequently