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Sorry if

a) your house is covered in poo
b) you are frightened to take your pets out
c) you and your dogs can't relax

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 9:52 pm
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Sorry if

a) you bought a dog sometime in the last couple of hundred years since fireworks became a regular occurrence in Britain.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 9:54 pm
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Just went to some Indian friends for Diwali celebration. They pulled out the fireworks. They were LOUD.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 9:55 pm
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If it were just one night, or just over the weekend it would be easier to manage. However it happens so..
We have had fireworks five or six night in the past fortnight, including in the past hour.
Luckily our dog is a bit meh about the whole thing.
Thanks for caring

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 10:02 pm
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I don't understand OP. What's rattled you chain?

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 10:04 pm
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Sorry if

d) local scroaty ****ers love spending their coke weed and general roadmen dealz on them.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 10:05 pm
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All those gentleman farmers complain how the fireworks upset their stock, then don tweeds at the weekend to blast pheasants out of the sky, shooting over the heads of livestock…

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 10:55 pm
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Only an hour? You are obviously not local to North Eton. It’s been a couple of hours here. Our puppy is unphased. But then he is a gun dog after all.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:01 pm
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Bizarrely, I've heard no fireworks this year.

All those gentleman farmers complain how the fireworks upset their stock, then don tweeds at the weekend to blast pheasants out of the sky, shooting over the heads of livestock…

The farmers I know round here generally spend every weekend farming.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:06 pm
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You want some guinea pigs. Ours are completely unphased by fireworks. It'd also be great if all the dog owners who moan about everyone not having any fun because their dog is scared of fireworks could also remember that a lot of people are uncomfortable around dogs and would rather they were on a lead in public places, but that'll never happen eh?

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:09 pm
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Spend New year's in the Netherlands, it's like a warzone

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:15 pm
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**** me, some right belters in here. Me included.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:21 pm
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Sorry if

a) you bought a dog sometime in the last couple of hundred years since fireworks became a regular occurrence in Britain.

Whilst I'd like to see more restrictions on fireworks availability, I tend to this view. I've also noticed that the most stressed owners seem to have the most stressed dogs, which makes me wonder if it's chicken or egg

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:24 pm
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A gentleman farmer doesn't actually do any farming.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:25 pm
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Not even of gentlemen?

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:28 pm
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Spend New year’s in the Netherlands, it’s like a warzone

celebrated millenium new year in amsterdam - am still traumatised

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:28 pm
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Whilst I’d like to see more restrictions on fireworks availability

And dogs. 😁

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:32 pm
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Bizarrely, I’ve heard no fireworks this year.

me neither - not at home in Ayrshire or at work in Edinburgh or anywhere in the commute in between . One distant dull ‘thwomp’ on my walk back through leith to my digs tonight - one day out from bonfire night’ and that’s it.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:33 pm
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I've never known it as quiet Mac.

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:42 pm
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Abnormally quiet here too, normally plenty going off for a week either side of the 5th.

Barney sleeps through them, he's not too bothered, probably dreaming about chasing cyclists anyway, the scared ones are tastier....

 
Posted : 04/11/2021 11:48 pm
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Same here (North Ayrshire), been fairly quiet.

Sorry if

a) you bought a dog sometime in the last couple of hundred years since fireworks became a regular occurrence in Britain.

Hmm, not that regular. When I was growing up it was November the 5th, Hogmanay if you lived somewhere TV worthy.

In recent years its been any time there was a Y in the day. Still, I'm sure people right to play with fireworks whoever the **** they feel like it trumps any consideration of others. Not your problem right?

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 1:44 am
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Hasn’t been too bad around is either. Haven’t even noticed any tonight in Newcastle, if there was there were very few. My dogs loves to sit and watch the fireworks from the window.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 1:58 am
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I live near Ash Ranges. I can’t hear the fireworks over the noise of the shooting...

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 6:52 am
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Very minor number of bangs locally last night here compared to other years. Lying with the kids putting them to bed and there were a few big ones. Few minutes later heard a more distant noisy car followed by the rapid BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG-BANG. It was easier to agree with then asking if it was more fireworks than explain it’s an eijit with a pops n bangs remap on their Corsa.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 7:58 am
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I live near Ash Ranges. I can’t hear the fireworks over the noise of the shooting…

Dodgy housing estate?. 😁

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 8:00 am
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Luckily one of our dogs is really not bothered by fireworks and the o e who always was is almost completely deaf now so he only gets worked up if they are particularly loud.
Means I can actually enjoy the massive display our near neighbours put on every year now. It reminds me of the news footage of the first night of the invasion of Baghdad!

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 8:35 am
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I don't have a dog, I'd like to see fireworks banned. I'd like to see selfish stupid *wits banned too but that's even less likelt to happen

the doigs arent the issue, the use of the fireworks is. We're lucky here, like others it's been a few nights over thep st two weeks or so. Back in Hazel grove it was every night for three weeks solid leading up to bonfire night, often they were set off in the early hours of the morning. ** **.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 8:42 am
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seems to have become a thing over the last few years. when people ask for noise free fireworks, I dispair.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 8:50 am
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I don't miss having a week of what felt like carpet bombing back when we lived in Sheffield. Particularly when many seemed to think 1am was fine too be rattling the windows.

But I do enjoy a couple of big bangs a year. I'm sure the party house behind us will have a suitable arsenal tonight.

It's all back to RuleNo.1.

Unless you're Colin Furze, in which case you've a free pass.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 8:56 am
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Sorry if….
You’re not an adult yet & you still get exited about fireworks.
You could tell our Labrador wasn’t an adult cos she’d stand with here tongue out & tail going like the clappers when she saw fireworks.
We were in Goa once & there was fireworks on the beach quite often. The lad setting them off one night once managed to set them all off together. I can almost imagine what the raid on Baghdad was like.

Fireworks in general though? Meh.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 8:57 am
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Big dog doesn’t care about fireworks, smaller rescue dog spends the nights whimpering and cowering during explosives season. I don’t mind fireworks, it’s not that big a deal.

How do silent fireworks work? Surely they can’t give as good a display?

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:00 am
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Near Derby I saw that the usual fireworks display is going to be replaced by a drone display in an effort to be more pet friendly

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:01 am
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I'd like to see the sale of them banned to the public, stupid idea selling ready made explosives over the counter.

That said don't have a lot of sympathy for dog owners either, within reason it's your pet, your problem.

Facebook has descended into the usual rows between entitled dog owners and the sort of people who see it all as harmless fun.

 
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a) you bought a dog sometime in the last couple of hundred years since fireworks became a regular occurrence in Britain.

Does this mean we can dismiss anyone who lives within a 20 mile radius of an airport that complains of aircraft noise?

What about those who complain about TV programmes when there is a choice of 100 different channels to watch and it's no longer 1960 with only 1 or 2 channels to choose from?

What about cyclists who complain about cars?

What about drivers who complain about cyclists?

We seem to have turned into a nation of intolerant whingers and moaners all round.

By the way I don't give a shit about fireworks or any of the above really...we do have a puppy so this is their first year of experiencing fireworks so I'm prepared and went into dog ownership with my eyes wide open. Crack on with the fireworks!! I love a good display I do...the noisier the better.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:15 am
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Non-dog owner here and I'd happily see the sale of fireworks to the public banned. Last November the local park was littered with spent fireworks for days. People cannot be trusted to have fun and clear up after themselves.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:19 am
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Non-dog owner here and I’d happily see the sale of fireworks to the public banned. Last November the local park was littered with spent fireworks for days. People cannot be trusted to have fun and clear up after themselves.

If you transposed dog and firework in that it would work perfectly well* the other way around too. Except the November bit obviously.

*I'm not entirely sure what a spent dog would be, maybe it's a spaniel after accompanying people on a day blasting grouse?

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:28 am
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me neither – not at home in Ayrshire or at work in Edinburgh or anywhere in the commute in between . One distant dull ‘thwomp’ on my walk back through leith to my digs tonight – one day out from bonfire night’ and that’s it.

Similar here, just a few very short small stuff. Luckily the dog seems more interested than upset, quite likes going out for a look but I think it’s just an opportunity for him to sniff arses, of any species that happens to be available.

The observation I have with fireworks season, the volume of ordnance in Scotland has never been comparable to that I remember in England. Where fireworks shot down residential streets at head height was a thing. Finding spent rockets in the tiny terraced back garden was a regular occurrence so god knows how many actually got used, in Scotland I can’t remember seeing one full stop, I’m sure I have, but it’s never been “woah look at all these”. It certainly wasn’t just a handful of days either, but weeks of it.

Might have to go an search for fireworks sales by year and country, I’ve no real idea whether the numbers have changed.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:38 am
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I’m not entirely sure what a spent dog would be

Apropos nothing, but 'spending' is the term used for working/assistance dogs pooing and weeing (q.v. 'dog spending area' - this does not refer to a pet shop!). So a spent dog is one that has done its business.

 
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The observation I have with fireworks season, the volume of ordnance in Scotland has never been comparable to that I remember in England

As a very rough guess I'd imagine thats more to do with the historic origins of guy fawkes night being a little less popular in Scotland than England so the bonfire thing wasn't as well established when sales of fireworks on November became a thing. (and obviously your NEDs spend on bucky not bangers)

Equally I'd imagine the volume sold at new year is probably the other way around.

Very much a guess mind.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:46 am
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It’s all back to RuleNo.1.

Indeed, sadly it seems precious few are capable of empathy. Maybe if they were and could contain their excitement over the month or so run up people wouldn't have given up putting up with their pish with a grin and just pulled out the ban tactic.

As said, if it was a single night folk can deal with that, when it's entirely at random not so much.

 
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So a spent dog is one that has done its business.

In which case, quite by accident, it really does almost work!

 
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Spend New year’s in the Netherlands, it’s like a warzone

Try and make it any of the towns on the Spanish Valencian coast when they're holding a "mascletada", it's an amazing experience.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:49 am
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It's not just about pet dogs. Loud thunderous explosions at the dead of night, the whole night-sky suddenly lighting up, repeatedly, throughout the night, night after night, cannot fail to have a significantly negative effect on the natural world.

One, two, maybe three nights in the year, is tolerable. Night after night during the "firework seasons" isn't imo. Last night was noisy in my neck of the woods.

The time I heard repeated loud firework explosions at 1am on a Monday morning, despite it not being 'firework night'and no one else doing so, will always stick in my mind as an example of how selfish some people can be when it comes to fireworks.

The time to ban them is well overdue imo. Or at least have strict controls to limit their use.

 
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As a very rough guess I’d imagine thats more to do with the historic origins of guy fawkes night being a little less popular in Scotland than England so the bonfire thing wasn’t as well established when sales of fireworks on November became a thing. (and obviously your NEDs spend on bucky not bangers)

Equally I’d imagine the volume sold at new year is probably the other way around.

Very much a guess mind.

Someone that’s been here longer than me will know better, but I have been told there was a lot of work done to discourage firework usage in an anti social way. I’d have been told that in 2013 so before then assuming she wasn’t talking pish.

Not sure about the volume being the other way round in England for NY, Hogmanay fireworks tend to be saved for the moment in time, so all go at once rather than spread out. But maybe 🤷

If I had an aversion to fireworks for whatever reason, my experience is that the situation is better for both Bonfire Night and NY in Scotland. But then, personal experience isn’t great for the overall picture.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:54 am
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Last night was noisy in my neck of the woods.

Diwali celebrations maybe?

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 9:56 am
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south Lanarkshire here and as with the Ayrshire folks earlier, there has been a marked reduction in fireworks so far this year. I like them on Bonfire Night and when our kids were younger we would always go to a local display. Last few years its been a gathering with some of our friends and kids for dinner/drinks/fireworks, and always a good fun evening.

This year is our first with a dog in the house, he's a year old and seems pretty jumpy with them, so tonight it will be common sense, short walk, on lead, ideally before too much commotion, and then an evening at home, blinds shut and tv on (pretty much a regular evening!). I don't really see it as a big deal, and can't really fathom the dog owners who are getting so uptight about it. I may have a different view on that this time tomorrow I guess .. 🙂

 
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Diwali celebrations maybe?

Well according to a claim once made to me Croydon has the second largest Gujarati community in the UK, so more than likely.

Restricting the use of fireworks to bonfire night, Diwali, and January 1st, sounds sensible to me. Allowing selfish arseholes to do it any night they fancy doesn't.

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 10:09 am
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a lot of people are uncomfortable around dogs and would rather they were on a lead in public

It’s ok , they are friendly 😃

 
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Fireworks restrictions

I figure it's about time someone pointed out that there are already legal restrictions on when you can buy fireworks, set them off etc.

Whilst it might seem like a free for all that's not because you're allowed to do as you like, it's because there's sod all way of policing it and changing the law wouldn't change that.

 
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Our dog is crazy scared of any loud bangs...car/motorbike exhausts etc so the whole firework thing is a pain really. It's not the organised public displays as these are very few and far between its the random ones set off by kids pissing about every night for the whole time they are on sale. For this reason she gets walked during the day throughout Nov to avoid the panic. It is something that we just deal with but it would be great if fireworks were only the domain of organised public events imo

 
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This year should be quite concentrated - Diwali last night, 5th tonight, then maybe some Saturday.

Diwali can be a couple of weeks ahead or behind, and when it's a midweek 5th we get garden firework parties both weekends.

 
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Try and make it any of the towns on the Spanish Valencian coast when they’re holding a “mascletada”, it’s an amazing experience.

Reykjavik on New years eve is another one thats awesome for fireworks. To quote Baldrick - Boom, Boom, Boom!

 
Posted : 05/11/2021 10:56 am
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Always thought that it would just be best to stop sale to public and just allow big organised events at a weekend, so it's just one day of the year, lot cheaper to take kids to an organised event that last for a few hours, then to buy £100 of your own fireworks and it still only last about 5 minutes, followed by comments of "was that it dad!?"

 
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As with the other Scots - I've never found it particularly bad compared to what I see/hear reported "down south" and this year has been particularly quiet. In fact I don't think I've heard any in the last week.

As a very rough guess I’d imagine that's more to do with the historic origins of guy fawkes night being a little less popular in Scotland than England so the bonfire thing wasn’t as well established when sales of fireworks on November became a thing.

I'm not convinced by that.

(and obviously your NEDs spend on bucky not bangers)

that may be a factor. It also seems to me that very few teenagers are getting their hands on them compared to when I was that age. Is it just they have greater choice on how to burn £20 or have we got meaningful tighter controls?

Equally I’d imagine the volume sold at new year is probably the other way around.

Very much a guess mind.

Interesting - I don't think there's a huge amount here at New year. Yes there will be some and I guess they are all set off pretty much at midnight but probably will be more back garden fireworks tonight than 31/12.

 
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I figure it’s about time someone pointed out that there are already legal restrictions on when you can buy fireworks, set them off etc.

Did you read your link? It shows that it is perfectly legal to set off fireworks up until 11pm any day of the year even if it isn't a special occasion.

 
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Last November the local park was littered with spent fireworks for days. People cannot be trusted to have fun and clear up after themselves.

See also crisp bags, soft drinks cans, chip wrappers etc etc. Ban?

 
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Whilst it might seem like a free for all that’s not because you’re allowed to do as you like, it’s because there’s sod all way of policing it and changing the law wouldn’t change that.

That's easy to solve, make over the counter fireworks really volatile/dangerous. It'll be easier to spot the nobbers due to the missing fingers/one side of their face looks like it's been ironed.

 
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As with the other Scots – I’ve never found it particularly bad compared to what I see/hear reported “down south” and this year has been particularly quiet. In fact I don’t think I’ve heard any in the last week.

Apparently the supermarkets locally never got them in til last weekend, and the counter is only manned from 10-5, office arsonist has just confirmed (he's from Paisley, so can be excused).

 
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Ha, you should all live in Ottery.
It's like a town full of pyromaniacs....fireworks going off all week, homemade mortars (rock cannons), a 10+ meter high bonfire, people running round with flaming wooden barrels on their backs, and a crowd of 10,000+ drinking heavily and baying for more.

https://www.visitsouthdevon.co.uk/whats-on/ottery-st-mary-tar-barrels-p164313

I'm staying in with the cats tonight and drinking red wine 😉

 
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Well according to a claim once made to me Croydon has the second largest Gujarati community in the UK, so more than likely.

I know of 8 others in Dunblane from Gujarat, plus myself. I reckon proportionally that must be quite high....

 
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can’t really fathom the dog owners who are getting so uptight about it

My first chewed his way through the kitchen door in a terrified state just to get further into the house and away from the fireworks. He was a quivering mess at the slightest hint of them.

My last spaniel didnt even bat an eyelid at them despite living in Shawlands which was like the gulf war in October and November.

6 month old Lab now and he hasn't heard a single firework yet. The joys of living in Thorntonhall 😆

 
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Last November the local park was littered with spent fireworks for days. People cannot be trusted to have fun and clear up after themselves.

I have a local trail centre that always has energy gel wrappers and suchlike dumped. Ban is the only solution I can see.

 
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Gel wrappers are shit single use plastic waste are they not?

In which case, yes, ban them.

 
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As said, if it was a single night folk can deal with that, when it’s entirely at random not so much.

This. I wouldn't complain about a week here and there. But any excuse from Rangers winning something (OK a rare one) to the 6 weeks before Guy Fawkes and a month around new year. And any time from lunch time onwards.

That said it has been very quiet round here this year. Maybe the 2021 act has having some effect.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/the-fireworks-scotland-miscellaneous-amendments-regulations-2021---information-for-retailers/

 
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Does this mean we can dismiss anyone who lives within a 20 mile radius of an airport that complains of aircraft noise?

yep

What about those who complain about TV programmes when there is a choice of 100 different channels to watch and it’s no longer 1960 with only 1 or 2 channels to choose from?

yep

What about cyclists who complain about cars?

nope

What about drivers who complain about cyclists?

yep.

hth

 
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Jersey has the right idea - you need to be licenced to purchase and organise a display.
Only officially organised displays are allowed and usually only over one or two nights.

Round by us it usually sounds like Baghdad for a week either side of the 5th - unusually quiet this year...... apart from the idiot setting them off a 23:45 the other night.

Our dog is slightly annoyed by them in so much he'll just cuddle up to the closest available human until they stop.

My Mrs has more of an issue with them as she has a shunt fitted because she had hydrocephalus and the shunt is positioned close enough to her ear that it amplified the sounds....

 
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My dog used to shake uncontrollably and vomit everywhere, which was tremendous fun. Only going deaf stopped it happening any more.
So the ridiculous anyway 'bonfire night' really used to piss me off. One night a year is tolerable I suppose with hindsight but any other night and I'm all for getting the army out on the streets with a shoot on sight policy for any w@nker setting them off.
The ones usually setting off fireworks on any other nights are the dregs of society so wouldn't be a great loss anyway. Usually its those louts who stand around with their hands down the front of their trackies trying to look all menacing and tough. "Look at me, I'm fondling my genitals in public while standing around with my mates, i must be well ard"

End of rant.

 
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Not really a fan of fireworks. Equally don’t like barking dogs and stepping in poo. Should we maybe ban both? 😉

 
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We seem to have global warming and are setting off a lot of crap pyrotechnics to celebrate anti Catholic sentiments.
Frightens animals both domestic and wild. What's to like.
Grrrrr

 
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Classic FM ftw 😁

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We seem to have global warming and are setting off a lot of crap pyrotechnics to celebrate anti Catholic sentiments.
Frightens animals both domestic and wild. What’s to like.

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/opinion/pets-uk-ownership-cats-dogs-carbon-environmental-impact-b1249610.html

 
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So what the cats and dogs exist there is no pressing need to set off lots of bangs. The two are separate issues.
Where my partner works they have tenants afraid of what the local knuckle daggers are doing build fires and setting off fire works.
Time for a complete ban.

 
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Went for a pint after work. On the way back I'm walking through an office park and I can see a bunch of frankly pisspoor fireworks being let off next to an office on some grass. As I get closer, its a family having their own display. Everything fizzles out and they get in their car and drive off leaving their discarded fireworks on the grass.

Pricks.

 
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As with the other Scots – I’ve never found it particularly bad compared to what I see/hear reported “down south” and this year has been particularly quiet. In fact I don’t think I’ve heard any in the last week.

Living on the edge of Leeds I've had a holiday in Scotland every year since getting a dog to get away from them. This week in Dornoch there's been none until tonight and the the dogs are knackered from all their exercise this week, plus the fact they can't really hear them over the telly, that it's not a problem. The random ones for weeks on end at home are far harder to deal with.

Down south most seem to have forgotten the point of the night but here they had had a procession with burning torches to the bonfire. There's no Catholic churches nearby anyway.

 
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Scroaty ****s from the sinkhole shithole estate letting off bunkerbusters @ 10:30pm. ****ing hope they've lost a finger or two.

 
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I'd say that's worthy of its own thread @scotroutes!

 
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Still launching mortars @ 23:15, I think they're ****s, doggo thinks they're ****s but yeah Guy Fawkes.

 
Posted : 06/11/2021 12:16 am
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Round here it’s rich scroaty pr****. Money, entitlement or house standards are not a measure of empathy for fellow humans (or animals).. see Boris Johnson and others.

 
Posted : 06/11/2021 12:28 am
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Just back in from dog walk. Last night on snoozed through the silliness the other was on diazepam. Three rockets in the garden and one on the car roof. Guess I'll tidy up then. Only plus point is it's their money that's fizzled to a disappointment pop.

 
Posted : 06/11/2021 9:21 am
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Drove through some of the most deprived parts of East Manchester last night, a lot of universal credit / drug money going bang. There was one big bonfire, no sure if it was a bonfire or just a car on fire.

 
Posted : 06/11/2021 2:23 pm