[Closed] It makes my blood boil! (BBC content)

"Hallowed Institution"? Oh dear. Oh dearie dearie dear... 🙄

I must admit I'd never heard of it till this row started...

gutted. best thing on the radio.

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Yes, 6 Music plays a lot in our house.

Brainless stuff, that's in the pockets of the record companies, and could be done equally well on commercial radio (I'm talking Radio 1,2 and local) gets to stay, but the stations that have no commercial alternative get the chop.

I can't see the sense in that.

6Music:
Informative, entertaining, intelligent, presented by credible enthusiasts, non-commercial, an un-rivalled breadth of new and old music.

All for the cost of 1.5 Jonathan Ross' types...

[b]Why on Earth would it be cancelled?[/b]

Fight the Power!

Get in touch with the BBC Trust to raise your objections:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/index.shtml

simonfbarnes - Member

I must admit I'd never heard of it till this row started...

That is more a result of the lack of publicity given to the station than as a result of the station's output.

The [i]row[/i] has finally brought 6Music to the attention of the masses.

There was a report last week that a commercial station ( with half the budget and twice the number of listeners ) wanted to buy 6 Music from the BBC.

Agreed with Ed Vaizey's remarks, that the station has probably doubled its listeners as a result of all this, and will not in fact now be cut.

It's pandering to political pressure, and the politians are in the pocket of big business (Murdock).

You cut 6Music and the Asian network, which clearly meet the public service rather than lowest demographic remit, and you open a pandoras box, every disgruntled failing newspaper and commercial broadcaster will get the green light to claim that the BBC, in it's priviledged position, has an unfair advantage etc.

I say that we, those who pay for it (and importantly don't pay for Sky) should have more of a say in how it's run and what it spends our money on.

[url= http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_bbc/?cl=492603569&v=5507 ]Avaaz campaign[/url]

[url= http://www.petition.fm/petitions/6musicasiannet/1000/ ]http://www.petition.fm/petitions/6musicasiannet/1000/[/url]

if there is a real need for the service then the private sector will fulfill this need.

Yes, look at ITV ....We rarely do.

6Music-Lite with adverts = XFM
ie. 10 mainstream [i]indie[/i] chart songs, a bit of The Smiths and adverts.

if there is a real need for the service then the private sector will fulfill this need.

Your faith in market forces is truly touching.

i must admit 6 music (and planet rock) are my stations of choice

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[goes away to see what all the fuss is about]

If they broadcast in a format i could listen to in my car, it would get another listener.

Well [i]Nemone
02/03/2010
Dan Le Sac and Scroobius Pip provide a hand-picked playlist for Nemone.[/i]

Hmm, I'm going to see them live this month...

SAVE 6 Music!!

It was just on the news about it competing directly with commercial radio. What a load of bollocks.

[i]40mpg - Member
If they broadcast in a format i could listen to in my car, it would get another listener.
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+1

I just heard a quote from Mark Thompson DG of the BBC, along the lines of:
"If we were to double, or treble, the listeners <to 6Music> then the demographic would be competing hard with commercial radio"

I beg your pardon? Is he saying that [b]Radio 1 and Radio 2, with their extensive TV and bill-board advertising[/b] don't compete with commercial radio??? Presumably BBC1 and BBC2 don't compete with commercial TV either.

So the DG of the BBC doesn't want more people to listen to 6Music?

Is this slightly odd or am I missing something?

Why doesn't he just dis-band the BBC completely? The less-than-superb quality of the low-intelligence, tacky, mass-market tosh dished-out by Sky and ITV can step-in and take over completely then.

The arguement from Maxwell was that the BBC would not survive if it were not Government funded. Erm what's my licence fee for then if not to help fund it. It is not free for me to listen to i pay for it. THe commercial ones are free for me to listen to.

Oh and i wouldn't miss BBC Radio 1.

PSA, they're playing tracks from the new Gorillaz album (due out next week) on 6 music today...

7.something million listerners to Chris Moyels

700,000 (rounding up to 100,000) listerners in total to 6music.

Unless it's total budget is <10% of Moyles wage, how can they justify it?

if there is a real need for the service then the private sector will fulfill this need.

...and there is the problem with the private sector right there. It eliminates any variation other than a homogeneous lump of mass appeal fare.

I suspect it's a move to appease the "incoming government" who have all but vowed to do their best to smash the shit out of the beeb anyway. This is just the start of it folks. Thompson said this morning that the beeb can't be all things to all men. FFS, that's exactly what it should be. Otherwise we all descend to the lowest common denominator.

who have all but vowed to do their best to smash the shit out of the [b]been[/b] anyway.

Yeah, but to be fair who wouldn't?

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oooh sorry.

i was just copying what my learned stwr's said about libraries/schools/healthcare........

so you all want to cut out the waste, but not when its what you like.

NIMBY? anyone?

[i]Oh and i wouldn't miss BBC Radio 1. [/i]

I f*&^ing would. Still the only (easily accessible) radio station playing new, cutting edge music. Admittedly 80% of it is bilge, but the 20% would be a big hole.
[edit]those percentages may be slightly out 🙂

Unless it's total budget is <10% of Moyles wage, how can they justify it?

because it offers a public service to a niche that no other provider will can or will do?

I agree that they should stop buying as much TV from the States and use the money to make their own original broadcasting, that way they will not be competing with Sky, they get it right and they make money too. That's from someone who quite liked 24 but won't pay Sky to watch it (or anything else for that matter).

oh, porterclough

the gorillaz album was available yesterday streamed and today on xfm - nil points.

The BBC provides an advertising free environment, while R1 is out of my area of interest my daughter has at least got one advertising free place to listen. She's been bombarded by enough advertising in her 15 years without Murdoch levering some new intrusion.

BUT with the rise of Spotify and other web based music delivery things would 1Extra or Six Music or other niches have their position undermined? The listeners to these stations are usually the early adopters of this sort of thing - that's why they have digital radios in the first place. Maybe they have reached their point of infection and the rate of uptake is going negative.

7.something million listerners to Chris Moyels

700,000 (rounding up to 100,000) listerners in total to 6music.

Unless it's total budget is <10% of Moyles wage, how can they justify it?

Read my post above. the DG says that if 6Music did increase its listener-ship then it would then be competing with commercial radio. which he presumably doesn't want to do, despite pushing Radio 1 & 2 to do exactly that.

Explain this.

Just because the majority want to watch very vaguely known former soap actors ice skating doesn't mean that that we should get rid of everything else. Some people enjoy being stimulated and informed.

<Radio1 is> Still the only (easily accessible) radio station playing new, cutting edge music. Admittedly 80% of it is bilge, but the 20% would be a big hole.

May I introduce you to [url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/ ]6Music[/url]?

Never heard of 6 music until this row blew up and only listen to radio in my van so can't listen anyway .,therefore not interested in what happens to it

Seems you've misquoted me there Jamie 😉

As funders of the BBC we should be championing the potential for increasing diversity that the BBC can offer not supporting a contraction and a reduction in choice.

[i](easily accessible) radio station playing new, cutting edge music. Admittedly 80% of it is bilge, but the 20% would be a big hole.[/i]

[i]May I introduce you to 6Music? [/i]

Only available through a DAT radio or computer is not easily accessible. Not to me anyway.

the gorillaz album was available yesterday streamed and today on xfm - nil points.

Not sure I understand your point. XFM is ok as well, if you could get it where I live I'd probably listen to it. It's like 6Music only not as good.

I've paid my licence fee and Radios 1, 2, and 3 are all complete wastes of bandwidth. 4, 5 and 6 on the other hand are quite good.

Only available through a DAT radio or computer is not easily accessible. Not to me anyway.

It is available via the following:

DAB, Iplayer, Freeview, Sky, Virgin Cable.

Many people will have access to at least one of the above.

Not sure I understand your point. XFM is ok as well, if you could get it where I live I'd probably listen to it. It's like 6Music only not as good.

XFM (as received in Manchester) has far too limited a playlist and devotes too much time to football at the weekends (or it did before I gave up on it).

I have found 6 online I will have a listen and see if I like it enough to care about it's possible demise.

DezB if it weren't for some select parts of R1 then alot of good music would be still undiscovered. But other BBC stations do this at a fraction of the cost. I'd liek to see what the tail off of listener statistics is when R1 stops playing "commercial" programmes. I'd hazard a guess that the numbers listening to the cutting edge stuff are almost comparable across the network.

Here's a feel for the [url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/25541021@N00/4399097974/sizes/o/ ]figures[/url]

So get rid of Ross and Robinson and keep 6?

Well so far I like the sound of 6 so maybe I care .It's a shame I can't get it in the van

Edric 64 - Member

Well so far I like the sound of 6 so maybe I care .It's a shame I can't get it in the van

You've just about hit the nail on the clichéd head.

DAB didn't take off so 6Music didn't get massive listener numbers, but the BBC aren't really promoting it anyway because it might be 'too competitive' if it does get more listeners.

to use another annoying cliché: Go figure.

as far as the BBC goes..

I listen to 6Music and Radio4 - and 5Live Sports Xtra (for the cricket)
on TV - Spooks, Heroes and on the News on a morning (for the lovely Catriona Shearer (Scottish news presenter))
and the occasional nature program worth.

Now they are robbing us of the best music radio channel going dumbass fools.
I should stop paying my License fee. (however I will meekly keep paying it cos I have to to watch all my other ITV and SKY channels)

when will it be pulled from the 'airwaves' then?

Next year, apparently, although it will presumably be run-down as people leave/are made redundant.

End of 2011 is the date given in the release earlier.

Fight the Power on now - brilliant! 😆

Fight the Power on now - brilliant!

I requested that, along with many others!

[i]DezB if it weren't for some select parts of R1 then alot of good music would be still undiscovered[/i]

Not sure why you're telling me that, as that was my point.

[i]DAB[/i] Had one - it was shit
[i]Iplayer[/i] - [i]on a computer[/i]
[i]Freeview, Sky, Virgin Cable.[/i] Listening to the radio through the TV? Huh?

Listening to the radio through the TV? Huh?

Remarkably simple, just change the channel, like you would to a TV station...

Listening to the radio through the TV? Huh?

It's not radio/'wireless' in the traditional sense and it may appear akin to witchcraft to the un-enlightened Luddite, but take a leap of faith and try it.

Or do as we do:

Cable box to an amplifier to speakers, bypassing the TV altogether.

I think they need to get rid of Mark Thompson instead.
The BBC has been decomposing far too long and he has not improved it in any noticable way. News and journalism are now full exaggerations and misinformation, his over reaction to the Brand/Ross thing has restricted creativity within comedy and entertainment and now he wants to shut down more creativity in 6 music. What has he actually done to improve the BBC? Jeeez what an a****ole.

And he's already talking of 6Music in the past-tense. Hmmmmm.

I have to agree with the post some way above. It seems he doesn't want 6Music to grow because otherwise it would compete with commercial competitors, yet spends millions promoting tripe on R1, R2 etc. If those stations at prime time do not compete with commercial radio, what does? The very reason most listeners are so aggrieved is because there is NO commercial alternative.

Sense this does not make...

The cynic may say that that 6Music has been offered up as a (blatantly non-commercial....)sacrifice to appease their commercial rivals, saving their truly [i]commercial[/i] MOR-pop-plugging flagship stations R1 & 2.

I wonder if they anticipated the scale of the backlash?

[i]Listening to the radio through the TV? Huh?

Remarkably simple, just change the channel, like you would to a TV station...
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Yeah, right. Sorry family you can't watch TV, I'm listening to 6Music. Practical that.

If I can make a specific recommendation to those here who are going to try 6 music for the first time - Craig Charles Funk & Soul Show on Saturday evenings. Yes I know you all think he's an idiot, (and last week he read a text that asked why it's called Radio 6 Music, not Radio 6 Incessant Wittering) but it plays some wonderful stuff for bopping round the kitchen while making the dinner.

Oh, and there are some who think this is another Heinz Salad Cream ploy - announce it's being killed off and then watch it take off.

But hey, Richard Bacon has a show on 6 Music, so at least seeing him being sacked would ease my pain.

But hey, Richard Bacon has a show on 6 Music, so at least seeing him being sacked would ease my pain.

Don't forget George Lamb 😉

That's the only silver lining I can find in all this...

And my usual listening medium is:

tune into 6 on the iPlayer,
stick the laptop next to the amp,
connect a cable from the earphone socket to the amp,
put the message in a box,
put the box into the car,
drive the car around the wo-orld
till you've been heard.

Don't forget George Lamb

That's the only silver lining I can find in all this...

Maybe he could 'take one for the team' and do what a defeated samurai would do, but with his fog horn. It may be enough to save 6Music.

I thought about George Lamb, but that was too easy a target.

For people that find Mark Radcliffe funy, its probably great, but seeing as they lost however many million listeners when they were given the radio 1 breakfast show (they had the lowest ever figures IIRS?) I dont think I'm alone in thinking they just aren't funny in the slightest.

If it was going to the effort of listening to internet radio it'd be pirate.fm, spotify or Zane Lowe's shows on radio1.

I do find Mark Radcliffe funny, but he's not on 6music 😕

Zane's show is good, but that's only any good if you happen to be listening at 7pm 4 days a week, the rest of the time R1's not my cup of tea.

Spotify is very handy, but I like the enthusiasm the 6music DJs have for the music, plus it's nice to have them feed me music tips rather than having to search them out myself.

Not heard of pirate.fm, I'll give it a look.

Edit: Obviously the DJ formally known as 'The boy Lard' [i]is[/i] on 6music.

"i wonder if they anticipated the scale of the backlash?"

ha ha ha funniest thing ive read all day, what a couple of dozen stuffy middle class mountainbikers who want to relive their youth "bopping round the kitchen cooking tea on a saturday"

🙂

the beeb must be terrified.

from all of your own admissions, the playlist is patchy and the presenters are irritating - that is commercial radio isnt it?

DezB, there's this thing, called Sky Multiroom. You may have heard of it, it allows you to watch/listen to satellite broadcasting in more than one room.
SooBalias, you're talking crap, the one really irritating presenter has been shifted, the rest, like Lauren Lavern are very knowlegable, and incredibly enthusiastic, and the playlist isn't patchy at all, it's amazingly diverse and plays a huge variety of music of all styles from the 1920's onwards. Listening for ten minutes now and then doesn't give anything like the full flavour of the station. As far as listening figures are concerned, those given cannot and do not give a real picture; they do not include anyone listening online, via computer or phone or satellite. The ****wit in charge who says they want to shut down stations that commercial radio can do as well is obviously working with the likes of Murdoch, as there is no commercial station anywhere that does what 6Music does. It's quite simply unique.

Yeah, right. Sorry family you can't watch TV, I'm listening to 6Music. Practical that.

Or buy a DAB radio, like one day you may have to do anyway, or even (heaven forbid) use the PC. They've had speakers for a remarkably long time now! What do you do when more than one programme is on at once? Or for that matter, how do you listen to FM radio in the same room as the TV the family is watching?

SOOBAlias appears to have no brain - not a Radio 1 listener are you?

SooBalias, you're talking crap

You say that like its something new.

ha ha ha funniest thing ive read all day, what a couple of dozen stuffy middle class mountainbikers who want to relive their youth "bopping round the kitchen cooking tea on a saturday"

because some people complain about it on a mountain bike web site you presume all their listeners are mountain bikers.
Genius

craig charles, george lamb, shaun keaveny, nemoan, marc riley!

well that five for starters.

agree that lauren and steve are worth their weight - i would hope to see them join R2 as that seems set to cover popular music not specifically aimed at the youth market.

Radio 2 needed to "sharpen its distinctiveness in its range of music and speech"

R6 is too limited by digital/internet broadcasting, its no longer public service and the majority of the digital age think that its a load of old tosh.

whats the facebook count up to now eh?

did someone start a petition.gov yet?

Never listen to the radio at home, so have never heard it.

And I'm sure I'll manage without the Asian channel.

So meh.

[i]i would hope to see them join R2 as that seems set to cover popular music not specifically aimed at the youth market.[/i]

ie. old shit. You can keep that, cheers

As far as I'm concerned, as long as the BBC keeps Radio 4 they can scrap every other TV and radio channel they have. That could just be me getting old though.

Well said Countzero..

We aren't the only ones who have [url=

problem with George Lamb[/url]

radio 1 doest ‘do it’ for me anymore, in-fact it does me in, cant stand to listen to it... now where does that leave me; Radio 2? Chris Evans with his housewives and kid’s phone in, Make up & break up’s, Simon Maio. No thanks. (although sounds of the 60’s is worth tuning in for).

In general, BBC radio passes me by, as there is a chasm in the market. That changed with 6 music. Quality music combined with genuine presenters who are passionate, funny, witty and informed while providing a value for money service. I feel one of the fundamental problems is the DAB format, a lot of listeners cannot get 6music at peak times (commuting). I would listen to 6 more if I had a DAB in my car.