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Its good you lot are defending and looking after Palestine none of the other Arab countries or Muslim brothers do.
The Israeli state is losing the plot.
Warning Graphic.
BREAKING(14 hours ago) occuption forces killed innocent boy right in front of the bus station in AlQuds for no reason now!!
Turns out the boy was a Jewish Israeli.
https://twitter.com/iFalasteen/status/656948646471184384
nedrapier - Member
That youbtube clip is good ... like the song.
Judging from the description it looks like they were there "first" just after the Assyrian, Egyptian, Canaanite and Early Man ... [url= http://blog.ninapaley.com/2012/10/01/this-land-is-mine/ ]from this blog [/url]
seosamh77 - Member
The Israelis are losing the plot.
Ya, as if the whole world revolves around that insignificant region ... ya, their losing the plot is so significant it is a big news. There are many people that got killed everyday all over the world you know.
Until they start nuking each others that place is full of sand! Desert! They can slaughter each other as much as they like they will not turn the place green. 🙄
"Warning Graphic." <- 😆 You called that graphic?
chewkw, piss off.
I've asked before, but I'll ask again:
Whats it like, being you?
@seosa - very very tense especially around public transport as buses are a key target for stabbings and before the walls, suicide bombers.
seosamh77 - Member
chewkw, piss off.
😆 Clam down dear let them fight ...
binners - Member
I've asked before, but I'll ask again:
Whats it like, being you?
Me? I am earning peanuts so not much to cheer about ...
Therefore, even if the world ends tomorrow it is still sod all to me ... well in fact if the world ends tomorrow the better as I do not have to continue with this rat race.
@gonzy I said in my posts Netanyahu hadn't trivialised the Holocaust. Language on both sides has been ratcheting up.
i never said he trivialised it. it happened and Hilter was responsible for it. but to say that a Palestinian Imam told him to do it frankly ridiculous seeing as it was already happening by the time the two supposedly met.
Posters here need to understand Israel has prevented (as much as its able) Jews from praying at the site even though it's a holy site to Jews and Christians and one which predates Islam by 1000's of years. The rhetoric inciting violence from the Palestinian side has been constant these past few weeks/months.Watch the Vicenews clips, we have demonstrators who do not believe in a two state solution but only in the destruction of Israel by violent Jihad (written in their constitution). We have the Imam (I assume) in dispatch 5 saying the problem is that the number of Jewish visitors has increased from 3-5 per day to as many as 30-50 on Jewish high holidays. So all these riots and deaths because a few times a year 50 Jews wish to visit their holy site whilst being prevented from praying by the Isreali government ?
absolute zionist tosh!!
israel does allow its Israeli Jewish citizens free access to the Temple Mount. it refuses to allow Muslim worshippers access to the the Al Aqsa Mosque and has done so for quite some time. more recently this has been ramped up and has led to rising tensions and outbreaks of riots. Israel knows what it is doing is wrong yet still does it as it knows doing this will further incite the Palestinians and encourage Hamas to respond with aggression, this then justifies more land grabbing and Palestinian deaths.
just to rub salt in the wounds they then regularly allow Jewish settlers to enter the mosque to cause trouble and vandalise the mosque knowing that this will again lead to a violent response.
Jambalaya you are Mark Regev and i claim my £5!
Jersuleam was for the longest time a very important city and home to the Jews for 1000's of years before their first and then second temple (the home of their religion) which where both destroyed and the Jews banished. It's been at the centre of Christianity (we sing the hymn Jersusalem at the rugby ate ladies at the WI for a good reason) and then more lattery important although not the centre to Islam. So everyone is fighting over the same bit of land and have been doing so for a very very long time.
who destroyed it the first time? the Babylonians.
who destroyed it the second time? the Romans.
who expelled the Jews? the Romans did.
where did the Jews flee to? Europe
Who banished the Jews from Europe? the Christians
who offered the Jews protection and sanctuary? the Muslims
you say that Jerusalem isnt important in Islam....you're wrong because you either dont know your history or you like to manipulate it so that it fits in with the zionist agenda.
the al aqsa mosque is the 3rd most holy site in Islam. Revered as the Noble Sanctuary, it is the location of Muhammad's journey to Jerusalem and ascent to heaven, it is also associated with Jewish biblical prophets who are also venerated in Islam.
The Temple Mount was destoyed by the Romans in 70CE. Teh Romans then built another temple on top of this before that too was destyoed by the Romans in 325CE.
In 610, the Sassanid Empire drove the Byzantine Empire out of the Middle East, giving the Jews control of Jerusalem for the first time in centuries. The Jews in Palestine were allowed to set up a vassal state under the Sassanid Empire called the Sassanid Jewish Commonwealth which lasted for five years. Jewish rabbis ordered the restart of animal sacrifice for the first time since the time of Second Temple and started to reconstruct the Jewish Temple. Shortly before the Byzantines took the area back five years later in 615, the Persians gave control to the Christian population, who tore down the partially built Jewish Temple edifice
After the Muslim conquest of Jerusalem in 637 CE, Umayyad Caliphs commissioned the construction of the al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock on the site. The Dome was completed in 692 CE, making it one of the oldest extant Islamic structures in the world, after the Kaabah. The Al Aqsa Mosque rests on the far southern side of the Mount, facing Mecca. The Dome of the Rock currently sits in the middle, occupying or close to the area where the Holy Temple previously stood.
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I would imagine this kinda thing is the more important stuff to be discussing, rather and the religious history, and the reasons why it happened.
And more importantly, how to fix it. Which is world pressure on israel, the US to stop "military aid" and a 1 state solution where palestinian and israelis have the democratic right to 1 person, 1 vote.
[quote=seosamh77 opined]chewkw, piss off.
Have you considered file blocker so you dont even get to see his posts?
If not at least stop quoting him in replies
chewkw - MemberMe? I am earning peanuts so not much to cheer about ...
Therefore, even if the world ends tomorrow it is still sod all to me ... well in fact if the world ends tomorrow the better as I do not have to continue with this rat race.
the more rubbish Chewie comes out with, the more he makes perfect sense.
israel does allow its Israeli Jewish citizens free access to the Temple Mount.
This is sophistry - it's access but non-Muslims are not allowed to pray.* I don't call that free access.
* we live an absurd world where there are special rules about whether you're allowed to internally cast spells to your favourite sky fairy on a particular hill
is there a way to tell who is praying and who is just "contemplating"?
This is sophistry
really??
Back to the OP... I think it's pretty funny that Angela Merkel's responded essentially "**** off Netanyahu, you're a pure dick, every **** knows it was us... ya fanny"
gonzy,
Interesting long explanation there.
Perhaps the real question is why after so many centuries everyone still wants to kill/hate the Jews? 😯
who destroyed it the first time? the Babylonians. - [b]They want the Jews dead.[/b]
who destroyed it the second time? the Romans. - [b]They want them dead. [/b]
who expelled the Jews? the Romans did. - [b]They want them dead again.[/b]
where did the Jews flee to? Europe - [b]They are not exactly welcome but accepted them for the "financial management skills" so they let them stay.[/b]
Who banished the Jews from Europe? the Christians - [b]They want them dead because they killed their "god".[/b]
who offered the Jews protection and sanctuary? the Muslims - [b]But now they want them dead too! [/b]8O
What has gone wrong with the original Abrahamic faith?
Is it because they claim themselves to be the worthy ones?
Judging from the history ... the Jews cannot be leader nor form their own state and if they do they would be destroyed again and again ...
Why do people hate Jews so much I don't know ...
Are you saying you hate Jews because of their occupation (I use the world loosely) of Palestine?
That does not make sense coz Jews have been hated throughout their existence judging from their history so make up your mind ... if you don't like them just say so and try not to pussy foot around trying to use other issues to justify your hatred.
If history is right then Israel will be destroyed in future and you will have a hand in its destruction since you hate Israel that much ... blood on your hand I am afraid. You compassion for another human being ... ya right ... out the windows ... double talk fork tongues ... 😆
Northwind - Member
... Angela Merkel's ...
She is a piece of pork pie. 😆
I've heard it was all a misunderstanding... 😉
NSFW Subtitles.
For those that hate Israel I bet deep down you have conflicting minds don't you?
On the one hand you really feel that they should all vanish from this earth like the time in WWII ...
On the other hand you want to be seen as the champion of moral rights etc so you realise you have difficulty justifying the WWII action, yet deep down you hate them so much to the core you are tempted to justify that WWII action don't you?
Now you have a problem ... Ya, you need to justify your action ... 😆
Ya, you nasty! You bad! 😛
Oh man, I wish there was a blocker for Safari on iPad !!! 🙁
It's funny isn't it. There are so many different personalities and opinions on STW but there appears to be one person almost everyone would like to block.....
imnotverygood - MemberIt's funny isn't it. There are so many different personalities and opinions on STW but there appears to be one person almost everyone would like to block.....
The same thing happened long time ago when alternative views were snuff out only to be replaced by a single minded entity that consuming everything in its path.
seosamh77 - Member
Chewkw, f*** you.
Calm down dear ... it's only STW forum. 😛
you say that Jerusalem isnt important in Islam
@gonzy I didn't say Jeruslaem wasn't important to Islam, I did say it wasn't as important to them as Jews or indeed Christians. Mecca is more important than Jerusalem.
It's also quite ridiculous to suggest Israel is allowing Jews to vandalise Temple Mount, the number of Jewish visitors averages less than 5 people a day and I have never ever seen anything about vandalism. It is Palestinians who are vandalising Jewish holy sites most recently again firebombing Joseph's tomb. The Isreali government prevents Jews from praying at The site of Temple Mount even though it's a Jewsih holy site which predates Islam. The current troubles have been whipped up by Palestinian leaders spreading false rumours.
So @gonzy did you know the Grand Mufti who had been the leader of the Palastinian Arabs since 1921 had lived in Berlin, cozied up to the Nazis, worked to prevent Jews leaving Germany for Jerusalem and been instrumental in the formation of a Nazi SS brigade ? I certainly didn't before this week. FWIW I don't think the Grand Mufti was responsible for the shift towards exterminating the Jews but it certainly looks to me like he played an active part.
@seaso there is NEVER going to be a one state solution. The Oslo accord provided a 2 state solution model which was accepted by the PLO and rejected by Hamas, hence the mess we have today. Palestinians register as refugees as they get money from the UN as a result. 700,000 people where displaced by the formation is Isreal yet today there are 5 (?) million Palestinian refugees. All Palestinians where offered Isreali or Jordanian citizenship (West Bank was in Jordan)
Are you saying you hate Jews because of their occupation (I use the world loosely) of Palestine?
no i dont hate Jews.
we are all essentially of the same faith...just different variations. we share the same prophets in our beliefs and as you rightly pointed out both Islam and Judaism can trace their lineage back to Abraham. his first born Ishmael is revered as one of the patriarchs of Islam and his second son Isaac is revered as one of the patriarchs of Judaism.
my beef is with the Zionist government and its illegally inhumane and barbaric policies against the Palestinian people. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, so i suppose that makes me an anti-Zionist.
zionism is to judaism what ISIS is to Islam
Everyone can see it except the zionists who think you must hate jews if you criticise what Israel does- I suspect ISIS think the same.
Anti semitism is just a lazy slur zionists use as even they know its nigh ion impossible to defend what israel does. Imagine Iraq took over Israel and did to the jews what israel does to Palestine.
Gonzy - Do you have any beef with the Arab governments who instead of accepting the 1947 UN partition plan swore to wipe Israel off the map, fpand fought three wars trying to do so, before abandoning the Palestinians to their fate?
Gonzy - Do you have any beef with the Arab governments who instead of accepting the 1947 UN partition plan swore to wipe Israel off the map, fpand fought three wars trying to do so, before abandoning the Palestinians to their fate?
yes
can you or Jambalaya say the same to the 2 questions?
the very partition plan the uk govt declined to implement and co operate with- that one?
Arab leaders and governments rejected the plan of partition in the resolution[7] and indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division.[8] They argued that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.[6
They did have a pretty good point to be fair
It also reasonable to say both sides have done things that did not help peace but peace rarely starts with implementing land grabs for a minority people against the majority
Junkyard - lazaruszionism is to judaism what ISIS is to Islam
Okay ...
Zionism = extreme Judaism,
ISIS = extreme Islam.
Let's try this logic ...
Does that mean extreme Judaism or Zionism was the reason that Jews (no distinction between extreme or moderate ones) have been prosecuted since their inception?
The second question is how can they be all extreme for so long without learning the lesson from the past since the Egyptian time?
The 3rd question does that mean the same await Islam because like the Zionist they are hell bend on their extreme views?
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"zionism is to judaism what ISIS is to Islam"
By that definition you need to be an 'extreme' Jew to be a Zionist.
What a load of tosh.
Gonzy - would these include the Arab citizens of Israel who I saw working regular jobs in Tel Aviv or freely moving in and out of Ben Gurion airport, the same people who are also doctors in Israeli hospitals, are members of parliament etc?
Dispatch 3 to give you an idea of the mindset of those inciting teenagers to throw rocks and petrol bombs and to stab Isrealis while they wait for the bus. Coverage also of the destruction of Joseph's Tomb by Palestinians
[quote=nim opined]Gonzy - would these include the Arab citizens of Israel who I saw working regular jobs in Tel Aviv or freely moving in and out of Ben Gurion airport, the same people who are also doctors in Israeli hospitals, are members of parliament etc?
what is it with zionists that even on a thread where the israel PM said a lie about history they still revert to discussing What the other side do?
Its so clear you dont want to defend what you are trying to defend that you wont even try.
Also what Mr 100% is doing
Either defend what he said or what Israel did or just accept that deep down even you know its wrong. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history repeat it as the racist apartheid zionist ghettoise another people
Tragic.
Junkyard - lazarus
Either defend what he said or what Israel did or just accept that deep down even you know its wrong. Those who fail to learn the lessons of history repeat it as the racist apartheid zionist ghettoise another peopleTragic.
You want my opinion don't you? You want? I know you want!
Very simple.
Give that piece of land to Israel or the Jewish people.
Then move the entire population of Palestine to Syria to replenish the migrated population. Plenty of space and plenty of land, then if they wish they can start fighting amongst themselves as much as they like. Everyone's happy.
Problem solved.
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Dispatch 3 to give you an idea of the mindset of those inciting teenagers to throw rocks and petrol bombs and to stab Isrealis while they wait for the bus. Coverage also of the destruction of Joseph's Tomb by Palestinians
I don't think anyone here is condoning it, are they? I suppose we can only speculate on the mindset of the Israeli Jew who stabbed an Israeli Jew supermarket-worker in a case of mistaken identity, shouting "you are bastard Arabs", but we do know for a fact that overwhelmingly, the victims of the violence are Palestinian.
I don't agree with what the PM said, it was clumsy, unnecessary and even Yad Vashem called it historically inaccurate.
I was referring to what Gonzy had said. I presume that's allowed?
Neither party is going anywhere, 2 state solution is the only way forward.
Gonzy - would these include the Arab citizens of Israel who I saw working regular jobs in Tel Aviv or freely moving in and out of Ben Gurion airport, the same people who are also doctors in Israeli hospitals, are members of parliament etc?
would what include the Arab citizens? i dont get your point here?...explain or put it into context...its Friday before half term and i'm winding down.
just because they are moving freely in their places of employment...do you think that they are suddenly treated with some form of dignity and respect? how else would you expect them to carry out their jobs...chained to a desk or being in a chain gang whilst being overseen by a trigger happy IDF officer?
yes there are Arab Israeli citizens, many of whom who live in Israel as they have been lucky enough to not have their land/property seized to make way for settlers...but just because they have citizenship, do you think they are afforded the same basic rights as a Jewish Israeli citizen? and how many security checkpoints did they have to go through to get to work? how many got turned away at those checkpoints?
Black South Africans moved freely and had citizenship in South Africa during the years of Apartheid...but that meant absolutely f*** all when it came to their basic legal and constitutional rights....the same as in Israel/Palestine
b lack South Africans moved freely and had citizenship in South Africa
No they didn't you numpty
So @gonzy did you know the Grand Mufti who had been the leader of the Palastinian Arabs since 1921 had lived in Berlin, cozied up to the Nazis, worked to prevent Jews leaving Germany for Jerusalem and been instrumental in the formation of a Nazi SS brigade ?
I knew that but that's because I don't get my news and history from YouTube or Vice. he was a irrelevance to what actually happened in WW2, the holocaust and just about everything after. it was an absurd claim by Netanyahu if only because it suggested that the GM had any influence outside his family. His exile, marginalisation and total failure to achieve any of his stated aims are evidence of that.
[i]"All Germans know the history of the murderous race mania of the Nazis that led to the break with civilisation that was the Holocaust," he said.
"This is taught in German schools for good reason, it must never be forgotten and I see no reason to change our view of history in any way.
"We know that responsibility for this crime against humanity is German and very much our own."[/i]
Angela Merkel.
I was referring to what Gonzy had said. I presume that's allowed?
That must be why you started your post with his name then - I was ever so confused 😉
It is allowed and I can reply to what you said.
A two state solution is the only way forward with what we have now.
I think the solution is probably for Israel to buy Greece, and move there.
Or, you know, just invade and build a load of houses and kill anyone who argues.
A two state solution is the only way forward with what we have now.
I agree a two state solution is the only way forward. It is is necessary to look at what we have now when trying find a solution. Endlessly debating what should have been is not going to get us anywhere.
Israelis are on high alert after a spate of stabbings and related attacks such as [url=
The idiots on the video you posted behaved terribly, there was no need to kick her etc but if there was suspicion of her being an attacker then holding her until the police arrive would be what any citizen/nation would do.
"how else would you expect them to carry out their jobs...chained to a desk or being in a chain gang whilst being overseen by a trigger happy IDF officer?"
Re your perceptions, have a listen or look this guy up, former Islamist now Zionist. [url=
there was no need to kick her etc but if there was suspicion of her being an attacker then holding her until the police arrive would be what any citizen/nation would do.
Yes Israel and its citizens act just like any other nation would 😆
Have we mentioned the Israeli mob that lynched that innocent Erritrean guy, coz they thought his looked like a terrorist
Zarhum was shot and wounded before being shot several more times by a security guard at the bus station as he crawled along the floor. Still alive, he was then surrounded by people who cursed and spat at him, kicked him in the head and tried to hit him with a chair.
nim - Memberif there was suspicion of her being an attacker then holding her until the police arrive would be what any citizen/nation would do.
And what was the cause of that suspicion?
"Israeli soldier kills Jewish civilian in 'identity mishap'"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34602287
"Israeli man stabs fellow Israeli Jew after 'mistaking him for Arab'"
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/a6692536.html
zionism in a nutshell
https://www.facebook.com/RamallahCityOfficialPage/videos/694686917272418/
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And what was the cause of that suspicion?
Well, the guy was a bit dark-looking so it was only natural to assume he was a homicidal lunatic and beat him to death. It's an easy mistake to make; face it, we've all done it at one time or another.
jambalaya - Member - Block User
Dispatch 3 to give you an idea of the mindset of those inciting teenagers to throw rocks and petrol bombs and to stab Isrealis while they wait for the bus. Coverage also of the destruction of Joseph's Tomb by Palestinians
The impression I got was that the PA had successfully curtailed Hamas' call for a day of rage.
Hilarious the woman at the beginning citing the Oslo accord, as if Israel has upheld it's part of the deal. Breathtaking hypocrisy.
Zarhum was shot and wounded before being shot several more times by a security guard at the bus station as he crawled along the floor. Still alive, he was then surrounded by people who cursed and spat at him, kicked him in the head and tried to hit him with a chair.
Still, you can be sure that the IDF will shortly be deploying the armoured bulldozers to demolish the murderers' families' houses. It's been an effective deterrent up to this point.
@gonzy, I looked back and can't find which are the two questions you are referring to. I'd be happy to try and give an answer or express an opinion . Did you know about the Mufti being in Nazi Germany and the Muslim Balkans SS brigade ?
Also I think the similarities in the roots of Judaism, Christiantiy and Islam is a factor in the historical tensions not least as its lead to fighting over the same holy sites. Look at the Sunni / Shia sectarian violence between groups of fundamentally the same religion which has 100,000s of victims. I do generally think it's about power and control rather than religious differences. Palestine is no different in that regard.
@Lifer the Palestinian community was hugely divided by the Oslo accords with those in Hammas (and other factions) regarding it as a sell out and thus embarking on a violent campaign to derail it, something they have been successful in. Once it had collapsed as a result of violence Israel gave up on it and openly stated they saw no point in further negotiations
Breathtaking hypocrisy.
From a Jamby post - what exactly were you expecting ?
egarding it as a sell out and thus embarking on a violent campaign to derail it, something they have been successful in. Once it had collapsed as a result of violence Israel gave up on it and openly stated they saw no point in further negotiations
You and Netanyahu should get together and re write history according to your prism of zionism.
jambalaya - Member - Block User
@Lifer the Palestinian community was hugely divided by the Oslo accords with those in Hammas (and other factions) regarding it as a sell out and thus embarking on a violent campaign to derail it, something they have been successful in. Once it had collapsed as a result of violence Israel gave up on it and openly stated they saw no point in further negotiations
But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to my and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to my and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.
But despite all that you've completely missed my point. You can't use something that you yourself have disregarded against others that have disregarded it. I'm not condoning the fire-bombing of a sacred site I just found it an incredible plea to an authority that Israel itself subverted from the beginning.
So the non-believers want to have a hand in solving the problem of the God? 😆
gonzy - Member
no i dont hate Jews.
we are all essentially of the same faith...just different variations. we share the same prophets in our beliefs and as you rightly pointed out both Islam and Judaism can trace their lineage back to Abraham. his first born Ishmael is revered as one of the patriarchs of Islam and his second son Isaac is revered as one of the patriarchs of Judaism.
Since you believe in the same God is it not logical to let the Jewish people have a piece of land to worship the same God in their own ways? Isn't doing so a good deed? Why do you have to fight to worship the same God?
If there is a creator God I don't think he minds how you worship him so long as he is worshiped.
my beef is with the Zionist government and its illegally inhumane and barbaric policies against the Palestinian people. Zionism has nothing to do with Judaism, so i suppose that makes me an anti-Zionist.
Stop Zionist this or Zionist that! Really ... it's like trying to split hair innit.
My view is that you don't like each others but you can tolerate each others to some extend.
Very simple. They don't want the Palestinian people to live along side them so want to expel all of them. No ifs or buts. They want them gone. They want the whole place to themselves.
You have two choices:
1. Fight to the end. To the death! - nuke each other to kingdom come and reduce the place to desert sand and make the place radioactive for several hundred years ... Yes, nobody gets to live there.
I like this idea coz the land, sea and animals can recover.
Or
2. The Palestinians can start to migrate out to nearby Arab nation(s) to start a new life because their chances of integrating is much higher due to their similarities. There they can have peace of mind to bring up their children and live happily ever after. (don't tell me they cannot migrate coz the speed of Syrians migrating to Germany/EU is so fast if they got the will they got the way ...)
But as usual pride and stubbornness are the stumbling block for all of them.
Why fight over a small piece of land for so long?
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edit: on the other hand I think everyone should start using nuclear weapons to melt each other out like candles ... Ya, please reduce the earth's population. Mwaaaahhhhaaaa! 😈
Dont you be cheating and using the actual facts against Jamby
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Junkyard is talking in circle.
Junkyard has a mullet.
Junkyard thinks he is Babylon.
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2. The Palestinians can start to migrate out to nearby Arab nation(s) to start a new life because their chances of integrating is much higher due to their similarities. There they can have peace of mind to bring up their children and live happily ever after.
To be fair, that was tried, the result was that the Pals broke all the agreements they had made, then tried to overthrow the state and assainate King Hussein, before getting kicked out, where they tried to do the same again in Lebanon.
No other Arab countries or muslim brothers want to get involved with the Palestinians... says it all really
ninfan - Member
2. The Palestinians can start to migrate out to nearby Arab nation(s) to start a new life because their chances of integrating is much higher due to their similarities. There they can have peace of mind to bring up their children and live happily ever after.To be fair, that was tried, the result was that the Pals broke all the agreements they had made, then tried to overthrow the state and assainate King Hussein, before getting kicked out, where they tried to do the same again in Lebanon.
😆 By the description they look like a bunch of ungrateful lot.
There you go even their "own" people/neighbours don't want them yet the West or the Friends of whatever/whoever are up in arms trying to fight their cause for them. 😯
The assassination of King Hussein was an attempt to overthrow Jordan, and not the act of an extremist because of negotiations with Israel? His grandson didn't seem to bear a grudge if that's the case.
unfitgeezer - Member - Block User
No other Arab countries or muslim brothers want to get involved with the Palestinians... says it all really
What does it say?
What does it say?
Fraka-kaka-kaka-kaka-kow!
That no one wants to get involved with them....it says that
Lifer - Member
unfitgeezer - Member - Block User
No other Arab countries or muslim brothers want to get involved with the Palestinians... says it all really
What does it say?
I used to have/share office with Palestinian and Jordanian colleagues ... and their friends ... bloody hell they do like to gather around.
Yes, I used to ask them to love each other manly way ... Yes, I did and I kid you not. You think I would hold back? hhmmm?
I also tempted them to eat bacon and drink local ale. They thanked me for my generosity but declined. I insisted that but they still resisted my offer. 😆
Nice people and they knew I was having a bit of fun with them.
They too have jokes against each others ...
Mind you they all have beautiful wives and I kid you not, apparently all arranged marriage ... jammy sods.
Happy days ... 😀
Oh ya ... the Palestinian was the most serious of them lot but he gave up on being serious with me after a while. How we all laughed. 😆
That no one wants to get involved with them....it says that
You're painting them as a itinerant people that no-one wants to get involved with. Hmm, where have I heard that trope before?
konabunny - Member
That no one wants to get involved with them....it says that
You're painting them as a itinerant people that no-one wants to get involved with. Hmm, where have I heard that trope before?
Nope. Not even the Jordanians want to have anything to do with them.
Jordanians have been on the receiving end of Palestinian terrorism and last year Jordan was heavily critised by the UN as it refused to take any Oalestinian refugees from Syria (there is/was a large Palestinian population in Allepo). It's even more clear in Egypt where the border with Gaza has been even more firmly closed than it was.
From my experience of doing business in the Middle East for 30 years I would say in general whilst most "locals" are heavily critical of Israel they are of the view that the Palestinians carry a great deal of responsibility for the difficult situation in which they find themselves. The majority are more interested in getting on with their own lives than getting involved in the more that is the Palestinain conflict, it's my view the same applies to their governments.
jambalaya - Member
... in general whilst most "locals" are heavily critical of Israel they are of the view that the Palestinians carry a great deal of responsibility for the difficult situation in which they find themselves.
That's the exact sentiment ... very true that.
The majority are more interested in getting on with their own lives than getting involved in the more that is the Palestinain conflict, it's my view the same applies to their governments.
Yeap, they just want to have a happy family, especially the lot I got to know who got married very soon after I met them, and not have to deal with the Palestinian conflicts ...
Palestinians carry a great deal of responsibility for the difficult situation in which they find themselves.
the Palestinain conflict
Do you do this consciously?
No comment on that nice video of Bibi that directly contradicts the claim you made in your last post?
one of those I spent a while deciding if he was satirical genius or a trolling fool.
He eventually ground me down and I went for the later.
Its also pointless as when the evidence contradicts what he says he just does that - ie ignores it completely and continues to post without shame.
He is going the way of chewk for me in that I have stopped reading their posts as I dont think you can actually have a debate, intelligent or otherwise, with either of them.
Its just someone stating what they think without any reference to reality or the facts
JHJ without the humour or the awareness basically
Imagine living like that.
Pals
You've outed yourself even more completely with this demeaning dehumanizing abbreviation. If we should continue down this path I will have to start referring to "jooz" (small j). However, I prefer to just ignore you, by Chrome or just by flipping past your nonsense.
Morning. Yawn and a very large one.
Widespread condemnation and critism of the Plaestinians and their tactics in the Arab world. Why do you think the majority of funding for Palestinain refugees comes from the US ? Many wealthy Arab countries won't get involved and certainly not when it comes to putting their hands in their pockets. Of the promised finding for rebuilding Gaza only a tiny fraction has been forthcoming.
Hammas and a significant portion of the Palestinians rejected the Oslo agreement for a two state solution. They are only interested in a single Palestinian state and the destruction of Isreal via armed Jihad, this being exactly what it says in their written constitution. The naivety of so many so far away is quite stunning
Two Palestinians tried to attack a school bus yesterday. Both shot dead. Close to 50 dead now all due to ridiculous and tragic false incitement over Temple Mount access.
now all due to ridiculous and tragic false incitement over Temple Mount access.
I don't think Palestinians are reacting just to this single event.
So when Bibi said:
But then the question came up of just who would define what Defined Military Sites were. I received a letter – to my and to Arafat, at the same time – which said that Israel, and only Israel, would be the one to define what those are, the location of those military sites and their size. Now, they did not want to give me that letter, so I did not give the Hebron Agreement. I stopped the government meeting, I said: “I’m not signing.” Only when the letter came, in the course of the meeting, to my and to Arafat, only then did I sign the Hebron Agreement. Or rather, ratify it, it had already been signed. Why does this matter? Because at that moment I actually stopped the Oslo Accord.
he was lying?
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Of the promised finding for rebuilding Gaza only a tiny fraction has been forthcoming.
Brilliant. Not rebuilding is the Arab's fault, nevermind the fact that Israel was the one bombing the shit out of it and stopping building materials entering Gaza.
@lifer yes it is the lack of money, many many truck loads of building materials enter everyday. Hamas published a video in July proudly showing how they where rebuilding attack tunnels with lots of new cement. When the rockets stop the air strikes stop, it's quite a simple correlation.
The Isrealis tried to pursue the implementation of the Oslo agreements for years, more than a decade but Hamas have derailed it with constant attacks and further deepened the rift between the PA/Abbas and them.. That two state proposal / agreement is now firmly off the table, no surprise there at all. Sooner or later the Palestinains are going to relapse that this course of action is taking them further and further away from what they want.
The Isrealis tried to pursue the implementation of the Oslo agreements for years, more than a decade but Hamas have derailed it
Jamba - your contempt for the truth is well known and documented but this re-writing of history is mind-boggling. You do realise it was Arafat who participated in the Oslo process, don't you?
I've probably posted this several times before, but anyone with any interest or opinion on the conflict should give it a watch:
Here's a trailer if you don't have the time to watch the full movie right now: