[Closed] Israel's Netanyahu sparks uproar by suggesting WWII-era Palestinian leader inspi

i wouldnt expect any less from that zionist devil....they'll say anything to justify their evil treatment of the Palestinians...always the victim eh?

Poor misunderstood Hitler.

"mufti". S****.

When even your own historians are discrediting you it's probably time to give it up.....Considering his tactics during the election last year I think Netanyahu is becoming more and more dangerous.

I totally despair of any nation that could democratically elect a man like Benjamin Netanyahu. He's a truly vile human being. He seems to delight in whipping up paranoia and fear, to justify his next bout of genocide.

Ironic that he's using Hitler to justify it

He does it to say in power, the small extreme parties in the coalition love this and keep the Americans on board. History will mark his as a monster.

A quick look at his Wiki page, he has a fascinating history. Compare with some one like Cameron he is one tough/loony man

Trivialising the holocaust like only a Zionist can.

The story is absolute cobblers. The Grand Mufti was certainly one of the assorted lunatics and scumbags that showed up in Berlin during the Holocaust - but there is no evidence that the Nazis ever paid much attention to him. And why would they? He was the spiritual leader (ie not political) of a proportion of a small people (many Palestinians being Christians) far away and living under a fairly well-dug in British occupation (there being not much indigenous organised opposition to the regime for the nazis to exploit - Palestine was not Ukraine with a ready made bunch of collaborators). The nazis opinion of the GM's pronouncements seems to have been along the lines of "WGAS?"

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/dumping-blame-for-the-holocaust-on-the-grand-mufti-is-an-insult-to-its-six-million-victims-9587755.html

is there a world politics equivalent of godwin's law?

Notter - Member

When even your own historians are discrediting you it's probably time to give it up....

His own security services discredited him re Iran, he didn't seem to mind.

Does anyone really think the Prime Minister of Israel would trivialise the holocaust, really even for just a second do you believe that ? Netanyahu's right wing political opponents in Israel have generated this story, would you rather they where running the show ?

Fair point Northwind!! So what / who is it going to be that finally manages to get him out of power?

Sorry Jambalaya, this is a direct quote from his speech ""Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jew. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (to Palestine).' According to Netanyahu, Hitler then asked: "What should I do with them?" and the mufti replied: "Burn them."

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525

How is that his political opponents generating the story?

Does anyone really think the Prime Minister of Israel would trivialise the holocaust

Yip. I absolutely would! When you look at the man we're talking about, I don't know why you'd doubt it. Its not even that he's a murderous genocidal lunatic, as well as an avowed zionist, who would seemingly plumb any depths to further 'the cause'.

Its the fact that he's so completely self serving and utterly devoid of any remote vestige of humanity. He would literally do absolutely anything to achieve, then stay in power.

I'm surprised you're surprised.

Again... there/s a certain irony, given his genocidal behavior towards the Palestinians, that he's using Hitler to justify it

If he wasn't killing people in large numbers on the back of it, it'd actually be funny

More the point as I interpret the comments is shifting the blame of the Holocaust from the Nazi's to the Palestinian's, basically backing up / justifying continued hatred towards the Arabs.
Whether that's trivialising it I don't know, but it is, to my mind, quite simply continuing to stir up the hatred.

I don't see it as a trivialisation at all, I did read the speech. I've been following the rising tensions pretty closely as I am sure many here would expect. Vicenews as is often the case has some of the best reporting of events not shown on mainstream tv Dispatch 5 on "The heart of the conflict. Intifada 3" was published yesterday

@binners there are those in Israel more "robust" shall we say than Netanyahu, one of the consequences of the war in Gaza last year and the discovery of so many attack tunnels into Israel is public opinion has hardened and moved further right particularly amongst those Israelis in the West Bank.

Typical of STW to pick up on this story and not comment upon or repost videos of Israelis being run down and stabbed whilst stood waiting for the bus.

EDIT: Interesting we have this thread and yet nothing about Abbas and other Palestinian leaders pedalling FALSE rumours that Israel was about to relax the BAN on Jews praying at a religious site important to both Jews and Muslims

Typical of STW to pick up on this story and not comment upon or repost videos of Israelis being run down and stabbed whilst stood waiting for the bus

Typical of you to come out with apologist crap like that.

Anyone supporting Israel is a morally bankrupt human being. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself.

jambalaya - Member
Does anyone really think the Prime Minister of Israel would trivialise the holocaust, really even for just a second do you believe that ? Netanyahu's right wing political opponents in Israel have generated this story, would you rather they where running the show ?

Yip, I also think he's directly behind the recent rise in tensions.

Typical of STW to pick up on this story and not comment upon or repost videos of Israelis being run down and stabbed whilst stood waiting for the bus.

Or of the Eritrean guy beaten to death by a mob, eh?

Jamby, Israel bombed 1000 women and children +1000 men(obvs all terrorists) to death in their war on Gaza (IDF's own figures) last year

that cunning plan to bring piece to Israel is having its inevitable consequences played out, in this 3rd intifada

binners there are those in Israel more "robust" shall we say than Netanyahu

So to paraphrase what you're saying:

He may be a murderous genocidal bastard, but he's nothing compared to some of the Zionists, so we should probably let him get on with his hate-filled genocide, because the alternative is far, far worse.

Paints Israel in a lovely light, that does

Typical of STW to pick up on this story and not comment upon or repost videos of Israelis being run down and stabbed whilst stood waiting for the bus.

Are the knifey beardies quoting Hitler too?

And at the risk of starting the whole 'perspective' and 'proportionality' issue that all zionists find so very difficult to grasp, stabbing someone in the street, while not in any way endorsable, isn't really dropping phosphorous shells on schools and hospitals, is it? One of Mr Netanyahu's pastimes when not blathering on his delusional self-serving twoddle about Palestinians causing the Holocaust 🙄

I suppose for him, and his zionist ilk, this is the natural next step from the usual knee jerk cry of 'ANTISEMITE!!" to anyone who dares to, perfectly legitimately, raise concerns about their conduct

Because that's a despicable title that gets thrown about far too readily, merely to shut down any debate on the murderous behavior of the Israeli state

chakaping - Member
Typical of STW to pick up on this story and not comment upon or repost videos of Israelis being run down and stabbed whilst stood waiting for the bus

I'll let you post those, as i'm sure you will post some videos, I don't deny they happen. Here's some videos for the other point of view.

https://www.facebook.com/AlRimawiPhotography/videos/548397015311224/

At this point, anything that Netanyahu does is not a surprise to me. The man is deplorable. I cannot believe he was elected again. This holds true for all the family and friends I have in Israel. Unfortunately the majority of voters fail to share this opinion.

Typical of STW to pick up on this story and not comment upon or repost videos of Israelis being run down and stabbed whilst stood waiting for the bus.

what about the Palestinian boy who may have been carrying a knife but was gunned down then abused by settlers whilst the IDF did nothing, an ambulance arrived and again they did nothing?

or the Palestinian who was gunned down by the IDF then one of the soldiers goes and throws a knife next to him?

or the Palestinian girl who was surrounded by IDF soldiers and was gunned down even though all she was carrying was her books in her bag and had her hands raised to show she was not armed?

or the Palestinian girl who was gunned down and then stripped naked by settlers?

what about the IDF dressing up as Palestinians and then inciting the crowd to throw stones at the IDF and then pulling out guns and turning on the crowd? and then once they have caught a few Palestinians, with the aid of their uniformed buddies then proceed to beat the living daylights out of those they have caught?

what about the fact that the Israeli government via that vile mouthpiece Mark Regev are encouraging Israelis who have gun licences to carry their weapons in public? so now there are bloodthirsty settlers walking the streets carrying M16's

Well that didn't take long to get bonkers did it ?

There's 3 conversations you can't have on the internet without it going bonkers.

1) Gun control
2) Israel
3) The correct colour of a packet of salt and vinegar crisps.

Green, btw.

I blame Fatcha!

hels - Member
Well that didn't take long to get bonkers did it ?

I don't see alot of "bonkers" tbh.

Northwind, you forgot compulsory cycle helmet wearing. And abortion.

Typical of you to come out with apologist crap like that.

Anyone supporting Israel is a morally bankrupt human being. You should be deeply ashamed of yourself.

THIS

what he said is shameful incorrect and mud raking of the lowest barrel scrapping attempt to dehumanise and engender hatred

The fact only Jamby will defend this says a lot about the two of those bed fellows

EDIT: can we not do a league table of who has done what in Israel
Both sides do bad things lets discuss if this statement is

1) True

2) Helpful

PS NW is wrong clearly

If we're doing history lessons, the founders of the Israeli state lauded as national heroes, as well as being terrorist mass-murderers:

'...initially sought an alliance with Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany, offering to fight alongside them against the British in return for the transfer of all Jews from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.[2] Believing that Nazi Germany was a lesser enemy of the Jews than Britain, Lehi twice attempted to form an alliance with the Nazis.[2] During World War II it declared that it would establish a Jewish state based upon "nationalist and totalitarian principles".'

So probably best to keep quiet about that period really.

Green IS cheese & onion.

Blue IS salt & vinegar.

There's a Hitler Meme video (can't link from FB)

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I was thinking more of Deir Yassin but sorry yes mass murder is definitely ok sometimes. Jambalaya said so while unequivocally denouncing terrorism so it must be true.

EDIT: Interesting we have this thread and yet nothing about Abbas and other Palestinian leaders pedalling FALSE rumours that Israel was about to relax the BAN on Jews praying at a religious site important to both Jews and Muslims [b]just because they are not arresting the perpetrators of the increasingly frequent Zionist sit/ins/incursions and have indeed said that the ban was "fluid"[/b]

Imagine Palestinian leaders adopting a worst case scenario in looking at how the Israeli's traet them!

FTFY

here's the link to the video of him blaming the Palestinians for the holocaust...so that Jambalaya can claim someone else said it
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/netanyahu-under-fire-for-palestinian-grand-mufti-holocaust-claim

Its almost as if he set out to provoke a reaction? Possibly a violent one? To then use as justification for the next military onslaught?

But surely he wouldn't be that cynical, would he?

But surely he wouldn't be that cynical, would he?

why not? ive seen videos of IDF officers dressed up as Palestinians, egging on crowds to throw stones then pulling their guns out and threatening to shoot them. they then go on to catch a few and beat the shit out of them....their uniformed pals then come along and join in before dragging them off into their trucks.
if they can do this then they are capable of much worse....how do we know that all the crimes they claim are carried out against them by the Palestinians are genuine and not IDF soldiers dressed up as Palestinians?
doing so again gives them the justification to further dehumanise/oppress the Palestinians...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/netanyahu-under-fire-for-palestinian-grand-mufti-holocaust-claim
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video of the OP.

binners - Member
Its almost as if he set out to provoke a reaction? Possibly a violent one? To then use as justification for the next military onslaught?

But surely he wouldn't be that cynical, would he?

I'm of absolutely no doubt that he's directly responsible for the recent escalation of violence.

i doubt cynical had anything to do with it.
although i reckon he's on the green side of the argument.

[quote=gonzy opined]here's the link to the video of him blaming the Palestinians for the holocaust...so that Jambalaya can claim someone else said it
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/netanyahu-under-fire-for-palestinian-grand-mufti-holocaust-claim
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That is unfair, everyone knows the actual indisputable facts can never refute what Mr 100% says.

That is unfair, everyone knows the actual indisputable facts can never refute what Mr 100% says

jambalaya - Member
Does anyone really think the Prime Minister of Israel would trivialise the holocaust, really even for just a second do you believe that ? Netanyahu's right wing political opponents in Israel have generated this story, would you rather they where running the show ?

you're right....how unfair of me(!)

i shall now go and stand outside and declare to the ISIS brigade that external b/b's are more superior!

I'm of absolutely no doubt that he's directly responsible for the recent escalation of violence.

there wont be any political unity within the Palestinians...not while they are given no political recognition by Israel, USA etc.
Israel will do what it can to undermine the Palestinian leadership as it always has done...its claims of wanting a political dialogue is a ruse and lip service at best.
the Israeli government knows which buttons to press to incite a response of some measure of violence...that way it can carry on with its illegal land grabbing, restrictions of movements, dehumanization and oppressive treatment of the Palestinians.
Israel wont stop until it has either driven out or wiped out every Palestinian from the lands

Yup he's definitely trying to provoke further reaction, every 'martyrs' house the IDF bulldoze as punishment to their families, is another little bit of etnic cleansing achieved.
Of course that's too slow for the Zionist zealots, nentinyahu etc want 'justification' to flatten every non Jewish home from the promised land

there wont be any political unity within the Palestinians...not while they are given no political recognition by Israel, USA etc

I always wonder why is there so much attention put on that tiny piece of land that is fought by both Palestinian and the Israeli.

I mean that place is a desert full of sand so why not let them fight until their hearts content?

What's with you lot "friends of this or that"? What friends? They are all strangers ...

What with you lot in the west showing so much concern in such a tiny piece of land? If only you lot can leave them alone to let them sort out their differences themselves perhaps things will turn out differently ...

Bear in mind, you lot can only escalate the problem there because you lot are not children of the god, they are. You are not! Get it?

Until such time as you lot accept their god both sides will see you lot as non-believer scums.

In the meantime, so long as you fulfill their needs with some use to them, both sides will welcome you to strengthen their position in order to force their own agendas/will on the other.

Ya, by intervening you lot will condemn one side to death whether you like it or not.

Ya, righteousness ... my pork pie! 🙄

Might be worth reading up on the affidavits given to the Nuremberg trials by Dieter Wisliceny and Endre Steiner...

@gonzy I said in my posts Netanyahu hadn't trivialised the Holocaust. Language on both sides has been ratcheting up.

Posters here need to understand Israel has prevented (as much as its able) Jews from praying at the site even though it's a holy site to Jews and Christians and one which predates Islam by 1000's of years. The rhetoric inciting violence from the Palestinian side has been constant these past few weeks/months.

Watch the Vicenews clips, we have demonstrators who do not believe in a two state solution but only in the destruction of Israel by violent Jihad (written in their constitution). We have the Imam (I assume) in dispatch 5 saying the problem is that the number of Jewish visitors has increased from 3-5 per day to as many as 30-50 on Jewish high holidays. So all these riots and deaths because a few times a year 50 Jews wish to visit their holy site whilst being prevented from praying by the Isreali government ?

Finally @gonzy I though this report from August was interesting, I'd imagine you'd think so too [url= http://www.crisisgroup.org/~/media/Files/Middle%20East%20North%20Africa/Israel%20Palestine/162-no-exit-gaza-and-israel-between-wars.pdf ]CrisisGroup.org[/url]

@chew, excuse my possible errors here my time at Sunday School was in the dim distant past - Jersuleam was for the longest time a very important city and home to the Jews for 1000's of years before their first and then second temple (the home of their religion) which where both destroyed and the Jews banished. It's been at the centre of Christianity (we sing the hymn Jersusalem at the rugby ate ladies at the WI for a good reason) and then more lattery important although not the centre to Islam. So everyone is fighting over the same bit of land and have been doing so for a very very long time.

Very simple ...

Both sides want to annihilate each other yet both sides are held back because there are simply too many busy bodies intervening in their affairs ...

Really, you lot are making them pussy foot around for so long it's getting tired now to be honest.

Do you want to be on the evil side or on the god's side? 😈

The rhetoric inciting violence from the Palestinian side has been constant these past few weeks/months.

Do you think this statement has

1) Ratcheted down the rhetoric
2) made it worse/cranked it up

FFS can you break the habit of a lifetime and actually discuss what an Israel has done without just talking about what some Palestinians have done? - really WHy TF do you do this. its childish and moronic.

We all know you will only discuss palestinian actions so when its about Israel why not do us all a favour and just shush and let others actually discuss the topic as we all know you will just go yes but the palestinians did this no matter what an Israeli has done

Don't many Zionists deny Palestine ever existed...

So how can Palestinians have provoked the Holocaust?

Surely everyone knows it was Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles (among other prominent American figures linked to finance and intelligence) [url= http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/54/54_14-18.pdf ]who gave the Nazis the funding they needed to instigate the 2nd World War[/url]...

Oh and [url= http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/juliankossoff/100030163/the-pope-eichmann-and-the-nazi-ratlines/ ]the Vatican aided the escape of many Nazis[/url] via [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_%28World_War_II_aftermath%29 ]Ratlines[/url]

Funnily enough, both Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles were Vatican Knights of Malta... Like Tony Blair, George Bush (Jr+Snr), Bill Clinton, Rupert Murdoch etc etc

jambalaya - Member

@chew, excuse my possible errors here my time at Sunday School was in the dim distant past - Jersuleam was for the longest time a very important city and home to the Jews for 1000's of years before their first and then second temple (the home of their religion) which where both destroyed and the Jews banished. It's been at the centre of Christianity (we sing the hymn Jersusalem at the rugby ate ladies at the WI for a good reason) and then more lattery important although not the centre to Islam. So everyone is fighting over the same bit of land and have been doing so for a very very long time.

Everyone knows they built a mosque on top of the Jewish temple ... even BBC historians agree to that. 😮

All of these are worth watching - reasonably balanced I'd say

ok if its JHJ , jamby and chewkw its time to leave thread to the loons

Isn't James Murdoch (son of media mogul and Vatican Knight of Malta Rupert Murdoch) on the board of directors of Vice News and thus in a position to dictate editorial policy?

Junkyard - lazarus
ok if its JHJ , jamby and chewkw its time to leave thread to the loons

Well, I merely based it on the accounts of the historical experts for that region, where they actually proved that the Jewish temple were there first but later they were conquered or defeated by whatever whoever ...

Do you realise that they(not the Jews) pray with their backside facing the temple outside the temple even when they can pray inside when it is empty? Ya, if it is theirs why pray with their arse facing the holy site? (go watch BBC documentary and argue with the historians ... that will learn you)

Ya, you are wrong aren't you ... you know you are. 😀

ok if its JHJ , jamby and chewkw its time to leave thread to the loons

Damn and there was I hoping you'd have a chance to shine by providing a well rounded and reasoned argument how financial aid arranged by Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles had no impact on the rise of the Nazis prior to WWII.

Perhaps with your wit, intellect and knowledge you could at least refute claims of Vatican involvement in Nazi Ratlines?

Anyhow, back on topic, how come Nobel Peace Prize Winner Barack Obama keeps supplying billions of dollars of military aid to Israel, even when the US government goes into shutdown due to financial shortfalls?

For Jambers...A Jewish point of view.

All of these are worth watching - reasonably balanced I'd say

The one you linked to was just a load of Zionist nutters protected by Israeli army. I suppose that's "balanced" in your world.

You should watch the BBC documentary from the historical perspectives. The historian is not siding anyone on the documentary but merely presenting the fact.

The fact is the Jews were there first but their temple(s) was burnt down and destroyed where a new temple(s) of the invader was built on top of it later on.

What the historian is trying to say is this ... they are screwed! Screwed! The problem cannot be solved. 🙄

Previously I posted the link(s) to the documentary but I cannot find the link now ... I think you can still find it on youbute or BBC archive ...

chewkw - Member
You should watch the BBC documentary from the historical perspectives. The historian is not siding anyone on the documentary but merely presenting the fact.

The fact is the Jews were there first but their temple(s) was burnt down and destroyed where a new temple(s) of the invader was built on top of it later on.

What the historian is trying to say is this ... they are screwed! Screwed! The problem cannot be solved.

Previously I posted the link(s) to the documentary but I cannot find the link now ... I think you can still find it on youbute or BBC archive ...

Chewkw, stop talking pish. The Palestinian/Israeli situation doesn't go back 2000 years. It's got its origins in the late 19th century and in European bigotry and colonialism, and not just from the nazi's.

Away and read a book and stop talking shite.

So everyone is fighting over the same bit of land and have been doing so for a very very long time.

The "ancient hatreds" line is pushed by a) the ignorant and b) those who want to pretend it's all too difficult to bothering thinking about and who want to obscure the real causes of (and therefore real solutions to) the conflict.

seosamh77 - Member
chekw, stop talking pish, the palestinian/israeli situation doens't go back 2000 years. it's got it's origins in the late 19th century and in european bigotry and colonianism, not just from the nazi's. Away and read a book and stop talking shite.

Not according to the historian.

I rather listen to the facts presented by proper historians to make up my mind ...

konabunny - Member
This is ahistoric cobblers.

They Ottomans used them for their own gains (using them to suppress others or some sort of personal army/bodyguards ... ) otherwise they would be disposable if I can recall ...

Up until 1099 it was pretty peaceful too, in fact while all three religions co-existed under the Fatimid Caliphate the European Christian Crusaders where busy with their pogroms against the Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe as they marched to 'liberate' the holy land.

chewkw - Member
I rather listen to the facts presented by proper historians to make up my mind

seosamh77 - Member
It would be helpful if you didn't try to conflate events around 1000 years apart and make them one and the same issue.

No difference same issue just different time

They tolerated each other so long as the Jews were not in charge.

😯

chewkw - Member
No difference same issue just different time

They tolerated each other so long as the Jews were not in charge.

It's little wonder people ignore you.

Under the Fatimid Caliphate Jews and Christians held positions in government.

seosamh77 - Member
No wonder people ignore you.

So what are you saying? Do you mean they were at peace with each others?

Another BBC documentary showed that they tolerated each others.

Tolerance does not necessary mean they are at peace with each others.

There is always the under current ...

Lifer - Member
Under the Fatimid Caliphate Jews and Christians held positions in government.

Even during the Ottoman time they held positions ...

chewkw - Member
seosamh77 - Member
No wonder people ignore you.
So what are you saying? Do you mean they were at peace with each others?

Another BBC documentary showed that they tolerated each others.

seosamh77 - Member
I'm saying talk of ancient history is deliberately obscuring the discussion. It has no relevance.

See ... that's precisely the reason you are not god's children.

It has everything to do with history dating back as far as we can recall.

The current situation is merely minor point scoring ...

chewkw - Member
See ... that's precisely the reason you are not god's children.

It has everything to do with history dating back as far as we can recall.

The current situation is merely minor point scoring ...

I think i'll just start ignoring you.

No relevance? What ever you witness now are just events in those regions so no big deal.

Of course both sides are going to argue genocide ... what do you expect? Peace and love? They are going to slaughter each others to the hilt ...