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They are not chopping off heads to save lives.
I'm not going to argue with you there; I was being a bit of a smartarse in all honesty
ISIS certainly appear to be a nasty bunch and no mistake, but I'm concerned by the level of Islamophobia which seems to come with it, which the media seems to be capitalizing on.
Though we like our intellectual superiority, at the end of the day, we are all animals:
If a dog has been mistreated all it's life, or trained to fight, it'll never fully settle down... though you can lament it's lost potential, if it is constantly on the attack, then something has to be done.
However, that doesn't make all dogs bad
Growing up in the late 70s and 80s my best friend was Muslim.
Every schoolday morning I would get round his house early and would have to wait in his living room watching a ****stani film which involved much dancing and singing in urdu on VHS while he rushed down his breakfast.
We would get to school early, so we could play football before registration, played football at break, lunch and after school untill the numbers dwindled and we went home,
My mum worked so I spent many afternoons at his house and ate dinner with his family at the table. I watched him pray at home and went home when they had to go to the mosque and When his older sister got older and he would sometimes have to chaperone her, much to his annoyance as he would rather be doing something else.
His dad was a lovely man who drove tube trains and would often come home and produce two red rovers from his pocket and we would bugger off on the busses.
His mum did no speak much English but she always smiled and I saw love in her eyes when she looked at me.
I understand the difference between Muslims and extremists.
So, is the War On Terror over now? Did we lose?
Well as far as Iraq is concerned Bush and Blair declared it all sorted over 10 years ago.
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And they both agreed that we won.
Well, that's good to know, Ernie. Because if you hadn't explained it properly to me, I would have been under the misapprehension that it's been a huge disaster.
But if it's over, perhaps now we can get on with trying to make the world a better place[s] rather than maximizing Halliburton's shareholder value[/s] ?
Are we all in agreement that it's a bit shit?
Nice one chip. There are extremists in all cultures, but not many. Hence the term. If only we soft, liberal, tolerant types could find a way of disposing with them.
"We acknowledge the unfortunate timing of this product launch in our store windows, however we in no way support or condone any act of terrorism or violence. We apologise for any offence caused.”
Well it's reassuring to hear that, I had long suspected that Ann Summers might possibly habour terrorist sympathies.
Uh-oh, ISIS is an Egyptian goddess, you know what that means...
Are we all in agreement that it's a bit shit?
What replaced it? Does the UK government have a coherent policy to put in its place, and if so, what is it?
To arm the Kurds and hope Isis do not overrun them and gain control of even more of our weaponary.
To arm the Kurds and hope that if they beat Isis they don't go on to do anything unsavoury with them.
To arm the Kurds and hope that we do not find ourselves on the receiving end of them.
The goverment has made so many redundancies in our armed forces (as with our police force) while still actively recruiting new recruits, I suppose because they can pay them less. And realise we now probably could not fight our way out of a paper bag , and by acting this would soon become apparent to all.
I have a friend ex forces who would privately send out as much kit as he could to his serving nephews including body armour as our boys were left to do a job they were not properly equipped to do.
Well, I was talking about illuminati dildos:
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but that's a fair analysis re the Kurds.
Weapons need replenishing, meaning a continued revenue stream, good for economic growth (don't mention the debt)
In many respects, this is a Catch 22 for western governments, they've basically snookered themselves, using taxpayers money for global ugliness.
I strongly urge you to take the time to watch this:
Is it the truth? Judge for yourself
If you want to analyse more deeply, here's the source material:
http://scgnews.com/the-covert-origins-of-isis
Certainly makes more sense than the story we're being told in MSM; after all, with the vast intelligence network GCHQ/NSA/CIA/Mi6/Mossad/NATO have in place, the sudden rise of ISIS doesn't really add up.
the sudden rise of ISIS doesn't really add up
Certainly doesn't, something fishy is going on...
Another disgusting beheading and another is being lined up, who will be British so the IS say.
Politicians are starting to use fighting talk, even the usually mild mannered Barack Obama is starting to use words like 'destroy'.
And David Cameron is doing his best to be taken seriously, he sounds jolly well cross.
Is this whole situation about to balloon?
Is this whole situation about to balloon?
Only if they can fool enough people with pantomime:
given they've already admitted that allied forces tried to liberate those held captive some time ago, how is it that identities of those still captive are released in a staggered form, as if to build suspense and engagement, much like you might do when performing a play, or writing a thriller.
You'd imagine that the extensive intelligence services have a wealth of classified information, of which they only deem a few choice morsels fit for public consumption...
Ponder that, then:
watch Russell Brand give quite an impressive analysis, with a very insightful rant at the end:
I have more to say, but I am going to let suspense and tension build first...
I won't watch that video as Russell brand gets on my tits, just looking at his face winds me up.
Cameron is a spineless excuse for a man, and Obama is not far behind him. The British hostage is almost certainly a dead man walking.
With satalites and spy planes I hope there are hundreds of people somewhere looking at thousands of images making a big to bomb list.
@jive, the fact that 20+ people are being held hostage has been known for sometime and reported on various news sites. The names of most are known.
As for ISIL rising quickly no it's been a steady build up over 2 years with this having been reported, you can go back and find many articles online from the past. ISIL has been one of many jihadist groups but it has been the most successful either eliminating its rivals or persuading them to join it. It took the decidion to fight its rivals as much if not more than Assad. It's barbaric practices in Syria where well know but the West did not wish to intervene there effectively to aid Assad. It's been there incursion into Iraq and the actual and threatened atrocities combined with the fact that the Iraqi army did very little to resist them which has pushed the West into acting.
Spoken like a true agent in the field 😉
Lasted a couple of minutes of Brand - as usual just being a bit of a prat. He clearly doesn't understand how threat warnings work and why they have been increased (it's technical and Brand doesn't do details) and then twaddle about a share price when talking about oil prices. Usual infantile stuff. Why does he get airtime?
Well at least Brand has said all of that BS on record for all the world to see.
RIP David Haines 🙁
So what's Mr Camerons next move? Australia have sent troops to the middle east, will we?
Seems Mr Kerry has been successful in rounding up some help to fight IS.
What's Cameron's next move?
Watch Obama unleash hell from above, of course!
He clearly doesn't understand how threat warnings work and why they have been increased (it's technical and Brand doesn't do details)
Given that it's 'technical', then why stand on a podium for a TV news slot to announce it, rather than just send it through the communication channels set up for 'technical' things?
So an international coalition has been put together to fight IS, and today they have agreed a plan of action. Surely military personnel will be required on the ground to achieve the desired Victory.
Looks like the US are standing back a bit and letting others take the lead. Or letting others put themselves on the line instead, depending on your view.
France seems very enthusiastic at the moment, and having the largest Muslim population in Europe one might think they should be a little more reserved. To tackle this globally they (and the rest of us) may have to begin their efforts at home.
Globally means world war. How long before Russia creeps into it?
[url= http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-29321136 ]Us begin airstrikes on Syrian soil[/url]
So it begins, after years of not wanting to take action in Syria they (we?) finally are.
@rossi, some in the UK wanted to take action but Cameron respected parliament's vote against
I see that ISIL are upset and offended because the French are calling them "Daesh" - some sort of acronym - making that four possible titles so far including "ISIS" or just "IS"...
Personally, I prefer "Bunch Of Arse".
Yes, I remember a majority voting against it.
We'll see later today if it will happen this time- mps are being recalled to vote for military action.
I think this time the outcome will be different.
Personally, I prefer "Bunch Of Arse".
Sounds better than a retro bottom bracket I guess 😉
Mr Woppit - Member
I see that ISIL are upset and offended because the French are calling them "Daesh" - some sort of acronym - making that four possible titles so far including "ISIS" or just "IS"...Personally, I prefer "Bunch Of Arse".
I'm going for the deliberate, freudian, mispronunciation.
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Hi ho, hi ho- it's off to war we go. Live on Sky news.
Great idea, let the enemy know you're on your way!
Doh!
[i]let the enemy know you're on your way![/i]
Don't think they needed Sky to tell them.
Are we certain that JHJ isn't Kaesae wearing a different (tinfoil) hat? His insistence on posting up any old YouTube rubbish to support his ever-more hysterical conspiracy theories looks very familiar. I mean, Russell Brand for serious commentary on world events? I wouldn't trust Brand to give an accurate weather forcast for the next couple of hours even if he was looking out of the window! The man is a human-sized cock.
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Are we certain that JHJ isn't Kaesae wearing a different (tinfoil) hat?
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Gosh a lot of tosh...erm. It's just very sad that we in world like this.
Off to war we go..we've gone months ago joe.
Lets all be grateful for our freedom.
Lots of opinions here and I'm not getting involved.
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RIP Alan Henning- it seems even Al Quieda themselves triedvand failed to get him freed.
Sad news....
RIP Alan Henning- it seems even Al Quieda themselves triedvand failed to get him freed.
Sad news....
If true, it is indeed terrible, though of course, the beheadings in Saudi Arabia are also deeply troubling.
That said, there is reason to question just how authentic these videos are...
You only have to look into the Babies in incubators incident that was used as a pretext for the 1st Gulf war to see the depths those in power will stoop to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_%28testimony%29
Particularly of interest:
Hill & Knowlton
In 1990, after being approached by a Kuwaiti expatriate in New York, Hill & Knowlton took on "Citizens for a Free Kuwait."[38] The objective of the national campaign was to raise awareness in the United States about the dangers posed by Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein to Kuwait.[38]
Hill & Knowlton conducted a $1 million study to determine the best way to win support for strong action. H & K had the Wirthington Group conduct focus groups to determine the best strategy that would influence public opinion. The study found that an emphasis on atrocities, particularly the incubator story, was the most effective.
Hill & Knowlton is estimated to have been given as much as $12 million by the Kuwaitis for their public relations campaign.
It is unclear how much of Nayirah's testimony was coached. Though the firm was supposed to provide only stylistic help, it was reported that H&K "provided witnesses, wrote testimony, and coached the witnesses for effectiveness."
Particularly of interest:Hill & Knowlton
In 1990, after being approached by a Kuwaiti expatriate in New York, Hill & Knowlton took on "Citizens for a Free Kuwait."[38] The objective of the national campaign was to raise awareness in the United States about the dangers posed by Iraqi dictator, Saddam Hussein to Kuwait.[38]
Hill & Knowlton conducted a $1 million study to determine the best way to win support for strong action. H & K had the Wirthington Group conduct focus groups to determine the best strategy that would influence public opinion. The study found that an emphasis on atrocities, particularly the incubator story, was the most effective.
Hill & Knowlton is estimated to have been given as much as $12 million by the Kuwaitis for their public relations campaign.
It is unclear how much of Nayirah's testimony was coached. Though the firm was supposed to provide only stylistic help, it was reported that H&K "provided witnesses, wrote testimony, and coached the witnesses for effectiveness."
What.....the excuses given for going to war in Iraq were based on LIES !!!!!
Next you'll be telling us that Tony Blair's dossier was dodgy
[i]ffs[/i]
Exactly, the precedent has been set time and again; why should we immediately accept the information presented without question?
In your case the question is why do you have to doubt every bit of information given to you[ except the [s]bits that agree with your already held beliefs[/s] conspiracy bits obviously]
TBH the rest of us are able to work out which bits are truth and which bits are BS
We can do this whether it comes from you or the state sponsored media that drips feeds us lies that we cannot open our eyes to etc
TBH the rest of us are able to work out which bits are truth and which bits are BS
How do you know?
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That said, there is reason to question just how authentic these videos are...
You could pop over and introduce yourself. You'd find out first hand.
It's cool, they know not to mess with me 😉
Sad news indeed. I thought the interview given by the convoy leader was very moving inckuding how he tried to get Henning released. ISIS released the Muslim hostages from the convoy but held Henning, they knew all along what they intended to do
As for the Iraq invasion there is no need for a conspiracy theory. Bush termed Iraq as a member of an "Axis of Evil" it was his attention to take action. Bush needed no conspiracy theory he just used the implication of Iraq being associated with 9/11
I think JHJ is referring to GW 1
They invaded Kuwait so a responce was pretty straightforward !
Haven't watched the Brant video either he's very irritating, however it would seem more sensible to stop the Saudis and whoever else funding these religious armies rather than continually mucking around at the dirty end no great effect.
Agreed wilburt.
How do you know?
Our views are different from yours
Our views are different from yours
We are legion 😉
[url= http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/defence/article4258040.ece ]Here we go again.....[/url]
Well I never saw that one coming!
Perpetual war eh?
Imagine if there was state surveillance too!!
What year is it again?