[Closed] ISIS -Islamic State of Iraq and Syria

If someone was dropping bombs onto Coventry, what would we do to their country? The British have a long history of disproportion return of violence.

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rossi46 - Member

Just wondering, now that it's all kicked off again in Israel- how long before ISIS and Hamas join forces to kick Israels arse?
Those Hamas rockets seem to be getting more and more range, do you suppose they are being armed with the weapons our governments gave to the Syrian rebels?
Oooooh, the irony if that were true

and if that happened which it never would then we can all start cr 4 pping ourselves cos it wont take long for them to come for the UK, USA etc...

rossi46 you would be fine though cos you could tell you agree with them...

Well John Kerry was almost beside himself/rabid over Assad and wanting to arm the rebels/overthrow Assad so who knows? The Americans are known for arming Muslim freedom fighters and have the material later used on them.

Only a few years ago the Taliban had (and used) SAMS. Wonder where they came from.

Ah, thanks Lifer!

And we now know better and prefer to act with a conscience. What's your point there?

If someone was dropping bombs onto Coventry, what would we do to their country?

Depends if the bombs were coming from Solihull, which we'd now walled off, preventing the population from leaving, stopped allowing supplies in, turned all the water off, and were launching air strikes against, I suppose

Not sure if I've mentioned it before, but [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat ]Operation Ajax[/url] and [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone ]Operation Cyclone[/url] suggest that perhaps western intelligence services such as MI6, the CIA and Mossad have been shown to be a bit naughty historically.

[url= http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5320/mi5-and-mi6-tell-mps-to-censor-key-report-on-lee-rigby-s-killers ]Also, MI5 and MI6 seem to be a bit coy about some details relating to Lee Rigby's killers[/url] (I appreciate you might not have heard of Exaro News, but it is the same award winning investigative journalists who are making huge headway into the alleged VIP paedophile ring, which co-incidentally, also appears to involve the intelligence services)

Whatsmore, given the extent of NSA and GCHQ operations, why is there not more arrests relating to Child Pornography and Financial Fraud; if they are collecting that much data, it must be traceable...

how long before ISIS and Hamas join forces

A very long time imo, never in fact. ISIS are headcases, brutal killers who relish beheading and crucifying people, they see other Muslims as their principle enemies.

Hamas in contrast, despite the attempts of Israel to vilify them, are quite sensible and pragmatic - that is the reason why the EU encouraged them to participate in elections.

Israel's aggressive and murderous behaviour towards the Palestinians is what drives Hamas to take desperate measures. But they have a good record of being prepared to negotiate and if necessary to comply with ceasefires, certainly better than Israel's.

Hamas have nothing in common with ISIS other than being predominately Sunni. They have far more in common with their Shi'ite allies in Hezbollah. imo.

There seems to be a lot of 'leftwing' hate for Israel on STW.

There was a time long ago when Israel enjoyed extensive support across large sections of the Left, that support slowly evaporated to the point where the left is now predominately hostile to Israel. You can't keep stealing land and murdering those you have driven out and expect continued support from the Left.

I think also that while there was understandably huge sympathy among the Left for the plight of Jews after WW2 there then came the slow realisation of that making the Palestinians pay for the crimes committed by the Germans and other Europeans was a huge injustice.

There was also the slow realisation following WW2 that Jews for the first time in thousands of years were no longer being persecuted and could live freely.

I certainly made the journey from an extremely pro-Israeli left-wing upbringing to recognizing the brutal and racist character of the Zionist state. I also educated myself about the plight of the Palestinians, those once invisible people which shamefully many on the left simply ignored preferring to forget in inconvenient fact that it was their land which others decided to give away.

rossi46 you would be fine though cos you could tell you agree with them...

Erm how do i agree with them then? 😐

Anything is possible in the world that we live in, just think what a well placed rocket aimed at an Israeli Nuclear facility could do- oh hang on, good job they are a crap shot at the moment.
Im sure Israel would kick their Islamic arses, but then think of the hornets nest that would stir.

They're all mad around there. I find this video fairly apt, based on the history of the region.

While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria, reports [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/syria-conflict-isis-marches-further-into-syria-tipping-the-balance-of-power-in-the-civil-war-9608335.html ]The Independant[/url]

Looks like Obama (military supply) care has worked wonders for them then 😆

This is an interesting thing- [url= http://www.****/news/article-2657209/Israel-scours-West-Bank-teens-feared-abducted.html ]ISIS Linked Group Kidnaps Teenagers In Isreal[/url] - could the current Israel/ Palestine situation have been instigated by ISIS?
The article was dated June 14th 2014.

Hence:

While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria

While the world has been watching Gaza, ISIS have taken much of Eastern Syria, reports The Independant

US got Ukraine to shoot down a plane to distract from Israel invading Gaza unnoticed

Errr no, thats just a coincidence.

The article was saying that while the world was looking elsewhere, this is what was happening in Syria. Because it wasn't being reported in the news.
That's all.

I think also that while there was understandably huge sympathy among the Left for the plight of Jews after WW2 there then came the slow realisation of that making the Palestinians pay for the crimes committed by the Germans and other Europeans was a huge injustice.

Here we go- American Air Force back in business over Iraq!
About time or a bad decision? Or is it too little too late?

Woohoo the fighter jets are in action again ... more please as I want to see A-10 in action.

I think the entire region is about to descend into complete chaos.

Borders and civil structure will disappear and the bloodletting will be huge. The USA will become enmeshed in a nightmare the like of which will make it's previous adventurism look like masterful strategic successes.

Israel is allowing itself to be distracted by a sideshow and may have taken it's eye of the wider regional ball.

The next question will be - which way will the Iranians jump?

On the diplomatic front, Tony Blair declares himself to be jesus and marries David Icke.

You may already know of my slight mistrust of the CIA. Mi6 and Mossad, so I'll avoid too much real world analysis and go in the deep end playing devils advocate for a massive and bonkers conspiracy theory:

Albert Pike's 3 World Wars, apparently from a letter written in 1871, though some dispute this as a hoax; nonetheless, it appears there is evidence to date it back at least as far as 1894:

[i] "[b]The First World War[/b] must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."

Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.

"[b]The Second World War[/b] must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.

(Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)

"[b]The Third World War[/b] must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off. [/i]

[url= http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm ]More here[/url], or google Albert Pike

Hard to fathom how it could be true, but certainly an interesting coincidence if nothing else

Mr Woppit - Member

I think the entire region is about to descend into complete chaos.

Really? I thought it is normality for the people there as it has been going on for many years since the 1st gulf war. The Dear Leaders of those days started to let ego got to their brains so testing the world norm. Well, they all vanish into ashes ... They could have remained as the greatest Dear Leaders (Kings) amongst their people if only they could clam their ego.

Borders and civil structure will disappear and the bloodletting will be huge. The USA will become enmeshed in a nightmare the like of which will make it's previous adventurism look like masterful strategic successes.

Well that's the period of inevitable painful adjustment so it must happen. Do you have to show concern for USA? I mean why? It is not as if they need the rest of the world to show them any concerns? Yes?

Israel is allowing itself to be distracted by a sideshow and may have taken it's eye of the wider regional ball.

Israel is there to stay and supported by USA so what are the world going to do? Sanction USA? Go on do it ...

The next question will be - which way will the Iranians jump?

Iran will remain neutral back by Russia but if they are threaten by the so called rat-tac army they will retaliate and I bet USA or the rest will just keep quiet.

On the diplomatic front, Tony Blair declares himself to be jesus and marries David Icke.

Ya, how much does he charge per hour again to give his opinion? Quids in ... kechiinnngg!

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Oh ya ... for the left wing thinkers that keeps banging on Israel all I can say is you have deep rooted hatred for USA or the Jews. One of them anyway while the rest are just side shows.

1. Left wing ideology -> hatred for USA -> hence anything USA supports deem unfair (very deep hatred here).

2. Palestinian vs Israel -> good platform to vent hatred and anger because this is the ultimate area they can inflame others and to gather momentum for their hatred of USA etc.

(How come nobody show concerns for the Nigerian school girls being kidnapped? Is it coz they are Nigerian?)

3. Very biased and will only bite on something that they feel can continue their hatred.

4. Irrational justification for "David's" (the small guy) action firing home made rockets to the big guy (Israel that is if you don't know). Then cried heavy handed retaliation ... I mean why don't I give you a small stick to poke the Asia wasps nest (not the EU wasps coz they are small) and you continue to sit next the nest while poking it. Then cry out halt to see if the wasps will only sting your proportionately. Do it for experiment.

5. Oh yes they keep equating Israel to Nazis ... hmmm ... I think you are slowly showing your true colour here. I mean deep down you would like to demolish Israel don't you? Yes?

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Love the well-placed emoticon, there...

Given the vast finances and military resources that the USA (with it's rich history of genocide and constant war) plough into Israel,

(How come nobody show concerns for the Nigerian school girls being kidnapped? Is it coz they are Nigerian?)

You have to wonder why Obama, the CIA, the Pentagon NSA/GCHQ (and the bosses of them all the Rothschilds of Federal Reserve fame) and Netanyahu (who has all the weapons and Mossad at his disposal) aren't putting any effort into freeing the kidnapped girls; as they seem only to happy to intervene in the resource rich Middle East time and again...

Bloody hell a picture turned up on my Twitter feed showing two victims of ISIS 😥 (allegedly) really disturbing stuff.

You have to wonder...

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10089697/John-McCain-denies-he-knowingly-posed-with-with-rebel-kidnappers-in-Syria.html

I do not have a problem with the USA performing air strikes on ISIS forces.

Hope they blow them to pieces, horrible evil bastards.

Why do ISIS have to kidnap women en-mass?
For their pleasure? Sexual appetite? Sex slave?

If they think their twisted ideology is here to stay then please let them meet Mr A-10 with wide grin. 😡

Edit: this group actually kill innocence.

[url= http://www.****/news/article-2720309/AmessagefromISIStoUS-Islamist-militants-tweet-gruesome-images-dead-American-soldiers-vow-blow-embassies-Obama-launches-airstrikes.html?ito=social-facebook ]Well i guess this is inevitable[/url] - could there be a revenge attack far worse than 9/11 just around the corner? I guess they have jihadist recruits all over the world lying low just waiting for an instruction.
Remember the 7th July bombers? They were completely off the radar until that day.

I guess they have jihadist recruits all over the world lying low just waiting for an instruction.

No, I guess that they don't.

I also guess that they very much want you to think they have.

Well, if they try to exterminate Yazidis then they should deserve the full wrath of the almighty A-10 Thunderbolt (Warthog) II.

Let's see if they can withstand the A-10's rage. 😡

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I've just stumbled across this for the first time, from a man who has ambitions to be Tory Party leader and therefore one day British Prime Minister.

[i]The liberation of Iraq has actually been that rarest of things – a proper British foreign policy success. Next year, while the world goes into recession, Iraq is likely to enjoy 10% GDP growth. Alone in the Arab Middle East, it is now a fully functioning democracy with a free press, properly contested elections and an independent judiciary ... Sunni and Shia contend for power in parliament, not in street battles. The ingenuity, idealism and intelligence of the Iraqi people can now find an outlet in a free society rather than being deployed, as they were for decades, simply to ensure survival in a fascist republic that stank of fear.[/i]

[b]"a proper British foreign policy success"

"Sunni and Shia contend for power in parliament, not in street battles"[/b]

[url= http://www.scotsman.com/news/michael-gove-triumph-of-freedom-over-evil-1-1302486 ]Triumph of freedom over evil[/url]

chewkw - Member
Why do ISIS have to kidnap women en-mass?

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slowoldman - Member
They render A-10s impotent.

How? Human shields?

Redthunder - you should take out the ISIS cargo ... 😯

How? Human shields?

So today's news: apart from people being buried alive, even more sickening in my view is the Australian jihadist posing in front of the camera with his 8 year old son holding the severed head of a Syrian soldier. The man proudly announces "that's my boy".
Absolutely sick!

Remember the 7th July bombers? They were completely off the radar until that day.

Also we are discussing this Australian jihadist photo on another thread, we are suffering thread overload wrt middle east right now IMO. [url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/when-will-the-politicians-ever-learn ]other thread link[/url]

This isn't a case of it won't end well. It simply won't end... Sorry if this stirs emotions or objections - I feel like the old git who complains to Points of View...

Western ideology and democracy don't sit well in tribal cultures. The fundamental issue here is radicalisation of faith and a willingness to die for one's beliefs. ISIS have the momentum to form a virtual state, one in which the rule of law is determined by an interpretation of a story, their interpretation. I have no sway with religion at all and I'm entitled to my opinion, as is everyone - whether you 'believe' or not.

Koran, Bible, Tora - whatever the 'guidebook', one has to ask whether they are out of date in the modern world. If they map out the journey for faith, they do so from a time when the respective cultures rarely had anything to do with one another. Now we have multiculturalism on a global scale - largely as a force for good if diversity and inclusion are given a chance.

Killing in the name of religion, moreover killing for the sake of varying beliefs, is a travesty. Superior firepower doesn't equate to being right. All to often though, it seems that way.

I have mixed emotions about the Middle East just now. I genuinely hope for the best for Yazidis and do agree with the airstrikes as a mechanism for halting what is essentially genocide. I also hope we don't see an escalation to the fighting - I get the sense that this has the potential to draw fuel into the fire from Syria and other disaffected areas that have struggled since the Arab Spring.

Koran, Bible, Tora

I agree they do move with the times but at a glacial pace and it takes time to affect that through culture. So I'm not holding religion responsible per se, I would like to hold blind faith and fundamentalism to account though.

I agree, religion is not the cause of all this but people who use a religion as an excuse to do evil are.
And I think you are right that there will be no end to all this. Sad.

I would like to hold blind faith and fundamentalism to account though.

Air strikes to take out any heavy weaponry they may have, then help the Kurds to stave them off.

They are vile, medieval thugs and we need to help civilised people (of whatever race or religion) to fight medieval barbarism. This is not the 'west' versus Muslims, this is about civil versus barbaric. There is a clear difference and the 'west' ought not to shirk its responsibilities here.

This is not the 'west' versus Muslims

Agreed, Islamism vs the non believers would be more accurate.

and the 'west' ought not to shirk its responsibilities here.

Are the west to blame for jihad in China and Africa as well?

So the beheading of James Foley was truly disgusting and evil, and it seems to be the doing of a British Jihadist.
Now the US are preparing to go into Syria to some degree. How ironic, first arm them then go and fight them!
Now there's talk of trying to get Al Bashir to 'help'.
Crazy or what?

loddrik - Member

George W Bush. What a guy. What a plan.

This ^^^

American and British foreign policy IMO has made the world a far more dangerous place. Millions of lives lost. Billions of tax payers pounds spent (at great cost to public services) And for what? A better life for the few.? Certainly not for any humanitarian reasons. Seems to me, a lot of terrorists wear suits and ties.

ps. Hope this does not prompt a visit from the guys with the shades and wires coming out of their ears.

So the beheading of James Foley was truly disgusting and evil, and it seems to be the doing of a British Jihadist.

Actually it has been suggested that the video was heavily edited and the Brit merely made the speech for propaganda purposes while the actual beheading was carried out by someone else.

Personally I doubt whether a university graduate from London with no experience of war zones or killing people is of much use in that respect. I suspect their duties are restricted to guarding prisoners and making propaganda videos and cups of coffee. ISIS will have far more experienced and effective killers among Chechen and Arab fighters who have known killing, death, and war, most of their brutalised lives.

Did you know Assad was nominated for a knighthood?

I seem to remember that Assad was once thought to be a bright individual who was opposed to conflict and violence.....

But now everyone thinks he's stupid and fancies a ruck ?

No but that might explain the nomination.

The Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu went beyond the nomination stage and got his knighthood from the Queen, there was never any doubt that the geezer was an arsehole.

Awarding these honorary knighthoods is merely playing international politics and provides little clue on the character of the individual other than he meets with the approval of the British government.

Good point.

Personally I doubt whether a university graduate from London with no experience of war zones or killing people is of much use in that respect.

But lack of experience of war zones or killing people might.

Can't see it. They're obviously highly motivated to get themselves over there, unlike the locals who probably don't have many options.

It's not like they're fighting western troops.

Yeah, but they're fighting Kurds who are tough bastards and expert in Guerrilla warfare. Just because they're not western......etc etc

They're obviously highly motivated to get themselves over there

I don't think an ability to get yourself to Iraq necessarily equates with an ability to cut someone's head off. Specially if your experience of life has been relatively secure and violent free.

I don't think an ability to get yourself to Iraq necessarily equates with an ability to cut someone's head off. Specially if your experience of life has been relatively secure and violent free.

You seem to be suggesting that foreigners are pre-disposed to hacking of heads and a British upbringing makes it somehow more difficult? Hacking of heads is universally unusual, not a life skill, even in the middle-east.

You seem to be suggesting that foreigners are pre-disposed to hacking of heads and a British upbringing makes it somehow more difficult? Hacking of heads is universally unusual, not a life skill, even in the middle-east.

LOL, Ernie you racist.

To calmly cut some ones head off with a knife, you have to be warped beyond repair.

I used to work with someone years a go who tried to show me a video on his phone of some one cutting a pigs head off.
I pushed him away, and he continued to watch it laughing, then when it was finished told me it was sick .

I said your ****ing sick. But wonder how hard it would be to condition someone with normal feelings of compassion and empathy to become a blood thirsty sicko.
I am sure some people are born that way, but if you think of what went on in the coliseum in Ancient Rome for instance I think it must be a taste that can be aquired.

Slightly off topic ,
During one of the golf wars, I saw a photo of a us soldier sat on a transporter plane with "kill em all"scribbled on his helmet. And said to a friend that's your problem right there, that is why there is so many friendly fire incidents.

He said what would you write on your helmet, I said "tell me which way to shoot".

Playing devil's advocate here, so don't judge me too harshly:

Say you'd held your dying 4 year old daughter in your arms, as she screamed her last breaths after having her legs blown off by an allied drone strike.

Imagine the despair and hatred that would forge into your soul.

Obviously, this guy being British, is less likely to have experienced these things 1st hand, but being surrounded by men with this kind of background and legitimate venom, being young and impressionable with something to prove could be the motivation required for such graphic acts of violence.

On that note, just because a drone operator is remote from the action, it doesn't make them any less barbaric; you could argue it's more cowardly.

Imagine the despair and hatred that would forge into your soul.

Obviously, this guy being British, is less likely to have experienced these things 1st hand, but being surrounded by men with this kind of background and legitimate venom, being young and impressionable with something to prove could be the motivation required for such graphic acts of violence.

On that note, just because a drone operator is remote from the action, it doesn't make them any less barbaric; you could argue it's more cowardly.

Good post, killing from afar allows you to do these things more easily with less psychological impact for the killer. However, this does mean that a drone operator is probably a more normal functioning member of society than someone who beheads a prisoner. It's been argued that western intervention in Iraq (Afghanistan is less black and white as AQ's infrastructure was wiped out) created more terrorists because of precisely the point you raised.

I guess the only marginal difference comes down to what the justification is for your actions and whether you actually intended to blow a four year olds legs off.

However, this does mean that a drone operator is probably a more normal functioning member of society than someone who beheads a prisoner.

I disagree, give me the remote control and I would drop the bombs on Isis while they were in the act of attacking a city full of innocents.
But I would not behead them as I would not seek ceremony or pleasure in the act of killing them.
I feel unhappy about treading on a snail or chopping a worm in half with the shovel.
But would see stopping Isis as a job that needs doing and not a blood sport .

If you could kill 5000 people with a drone and 70% of them are probably guilty

[b]OR[/b]

behead Tony Blair and save 50,000 lives in the future due to yet to be secured arms sales

what would you do?

I would not behead anyone as I am not a sick bastard.
Drone strikes are on convoys of armed men or artillery or generally military hardware.

Isis has taken fruitloopery to the extreme and the fact you can not realise this and condemn them and
there actions alone without trying to bring up someone else's atrocities as some sort of defence.

I disagree, give me the remote control and I would drop the bombs on Isis while they were in the act of attacking a city full of innocents.
But I would not behead them as I would not seek ceremony or pleasure in the act of killing them.
I feel unhappy about treading on a snail or chopping a worm in half with the shovel.
But would see stopping Isis as a job that needs doing and not a blood sport .

Errr, you are kind of agreeing with me Chip. Beheading someone with a knife is very different psychologically to hitting the red button whilst looking at a pixelated FLIR image.

However, I'm not sure which one is scarier. Personally I think it's the latter, as it allows essentially good men to kill more easily.

chip - Member
I would not behead anyone as I am not a sick bastard.
Drone strikes are on convoys of armed men or artillery or generally military hardware.

Or weddings/middle lane hoggers etc

Sorry I imagined a not. Speed reading error.

Don't call me Ernie 😀

Whilst I appreciate propaganda comes from both sides, I'd say the fact that the U.S. and UK are reticent to discuss the ongoing drone strikes (which are somehow not classified as war) shows some level of guilt, whereas the footage displayed here seems pretty genuine and not attempting to hide anything, though some of the figures may be up for research and debate:

If they are economic with the truth about this, just how much of the news can we trust?

Don't start me off again,I must have been hypnotised some where along the line and cruise control set as a trigger word as, as I drove twenty junctions around the m25 on Saturday in the middle lane I remembered cruise control and broke out in to another uncontrollable fit of laughter And nearly had to pull into the inside lane.

as I drove twenty junctions around the m25 on Saturday in the middle lane

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Chip, the motoring troll.

Chip is Jeremy Clarkson and I claim my roaring V8 and right to voice annoying opinions with impunity due to my big hitter mates in Chipping Norton.

Bloody Hell!! Chip = Chipping Norton, I think I might have actually caught Clarkson in the act!

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I have a conspiracy theory for you jivehoney.
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The only one missing is blonde the dog.

Is RT in that link Russia today, if so I would take more stock JBJs ramblings.

if you asked one of the ISIS loons, would you want to

A) kill a number of people with a surgical drone strike

Or

B) dream up the most barbaric way to kill people, then hack their heads off with a blunt kitchen knife, then broadcast it on YouTube to the infidel

What do you reckon the answer would be?

What, are you telling me Hitler has a bus pass, and thanks to Nazi Experiments (Look into [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson ]Frank Olson[/url], who worked with Nazi scientists after the War on CIA's MK ULTRA program and died mysteriously(Codename Artichoke, I kid you not)) hasn't aged any?
Does he own shares in Werthers originals? What about Elvis? Is he grinding his replacement hips in a nursing home somewhere?

Anyhow, back on topic and a bit closer to conceivable realities: the vid has a fair whack of RT footage; as I said, propaganda comes from both sides, but just because our own state funded media (which has historic links to the intelligence services and given the election process of the BBC Trust, is perhaps not as impartial as we might be led to believe) doesn't report on things, doesn't mean they're not true...

if you asked one of the ISIS loons, would you want to

A) kill a number of people with a surgical drone strike

Or

B) dream up the most barbaric way to kill people, then hack their heads off with a blunt kitchen knife, then broadcast it on YouTube to the infidel

What do you reckon the answer would be?

Don't be fooled by the surgical strike thing with drones...

but anyhoo:

You know how ISIS decapitate and crucify many of their enemies; well, in so doing, they may actually be reducing the number of deaths overall: by committing such barbaric acts, they scare the crap out of their enemies, which means less will engage them in combat and as a result, there may be less casualties.

I'm still really curious where they got weapons from in the 1st instance, before they captured anyone else's...

I used to buy the sun every day without fail.
But stopped after the whole phone hacking business , especially the phone hacking of milly dowlers phone I found disgusting and have not bought a copy since or any news paper , I will read them for free in the cafe or pub but won't give them my money .

I also untill the recent cliff debacle would have the BBC news channel on in the background at home, but not since.
I am fully aware of news agencies and the way they work.

But the information that leads me to believe Isis is abhorrent is coming from them through social media.
And not the work of the wests propaganda .

You know how ISIS decapitate and crucify many of their enemies; well, in so doing, they may actually be reducing the number of deaths overall: by committing such barbaric acts, they scare the crap out of their enemies, which means less will engage them in combat and as a result, there may be less casualties.
I'm still really curious where they got weapons from in the 1st instance, before they captured anyone else's...

These are people who kill people because they don't share there religious ideology.

They are not chopping off heads to save lives.

I have a conspiracy theory for you jivehoney.

Loling at that photo. I can't find it, but I read an interview with Bruno Ganz once where he went out in Bavaria to a Wagner concert looking like Hitler - causing someone to crash their car and another to faint at the entrance to the venue.