[Closed] Is this racist or just inflamatory?

Oh dear this will not end well at all.

6 months for poor photoshopping, sounds ok to me

Edit :actually possibly not. What clubber sez

The intent is racist IMO so for me it's racist regardless of what the law or excuses used are. YMMV

This is a genuine question, I just wanted an outsider's view as Im questioning myself and whether Im being too politically correct.

Well about 10s on google and the first link that I came up with was this.

http://www.hoax-slayer.com/poppy-mosque-spraypaint.shtml

The jist of which is there was a lot more to the situation than is presented on this short poster.

Being a follower of Islam does not define your race just your religion. The perps are possibly to uneducated to understand this though.

Well about 10s on google

Can you have a look at this pic [b]and then read the link[/b]?

As a general principle, is it safe to assume that any commentary passed on by a Facebook image is complete toss?
http://www.anorak.co.uk/299258/news/tohseef-shah-emdadur-choudhury-poppy-burners-and-edl-mosque-vandals.html/

Fair enough. I assumed it was the FB link.

Actually, looks like they've blocked me from commenting on their page. Considering some of the nasty, spiteful and hateful comments that have been allowed to be posted on there I think its laughable!

Youtube comments... Facebook groups... I really don't know why anyone would bother reading them or joining them. Seriously, they are just full of morons posting bollocks on the internet.

Don't believe everything you think.

is that a Banksy?

Agreed Dez. I still think they needed to be taken to task over it.

Am I turning into TJ?

[i]is that a Banksy? [/i]

no, it's a mosquey. The Banksy's next to the Supermarkety.

DezB - Member
Youtube comments... Facebook groups... I really don't know why anyone would bother reading them or joining them. Seriously, they are just full of morons posting bollocks on the internet.

Yet you are on here........

Looks like it used to be a cinema-y.

[i]Yet you are on here......[/i]

What's that got to do with anything? Is this Facebook? Youtube?
Or are you trying to turn it into the same by being a moron posting bollocks?

I live in Portsmouth and never even heard about this poppy, probably just some idiots being idiots. Let's not give said idiots any more media attention please and move onto more important things, like bikes?

Not sure why it would be either racist or inflammatory. Poppies are about remembering war dead as a general principle, aren't they? Across all wars and all countries?

So why would this be a problem other than simple graffiti?

mt - Member
The perps are ...

You are Judge Dredd and I claim my £5.

molgrips - Member
Not sure why it would be either racist or inflammatory. Poppies are about remembering war dead as a general principle, aren't they? Across all wars and all countries?

So why would this be a problem other than simple graffiti?

The two men sentenced to 12 months prison, did more than just spray poppies and political messages on the mosque. They also defaced a nearby store and guest house, both of which were owned by Asian businessmen. And an upstairs window on the store was smashed with a brick. Ironically, the store was reportedly selling Remembrance Day poppies at the time of the attack. Other evidence showed that the men had planned the attack beforehand.

Thus, the attack was considered to be racially motivated. The men admitted conspiracy to commit racially aggravated criminal damage and were sentenced accordingly.

no, it's a mosquey. The Banksy's next to the Supermarkety.

Lifer I did read that, my comments were aimed at the OP who seemed to be asking about the poppy specifically.

The link says they admitted conspiring to commit racially motivated attacks, which seems to make it a fair cop.

In the interests of balance, we need to look at this:

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20109337 ]Here.[/url]

Hey, PJM1974 that story'll never take off. It's REAL!

And was basically called a moron...

And quite rightly so. What on earth is "misogynistic" about it??

molgrips - Member

Lifer I did read that, my comments were aimed at the OP who seemed to be asking about the poppy specifically.

Shibboleth - Member

And was basically called a moron...

And quite rightly so. What on earth is "misogynistic" about it??

Rather than picking holes in my post, perhaps you could add something to the discussion? Thanks

Like other "created" stories, isnt this best ignored? Doesn't deserve any attention at all.

Rather than picking holes in my post, perhaps you could add something to the discussion? Thanks

That sentence is no place for a question mark. HTH 😉

but more the manipulation of "facts" to portray Muslim's in a negative manner and suggest double standards in the justice system in favour of Muslims

I wish shib was 10 % as funny and smart as he thinks he is - he is 100% awesome though

Really? Am I not asking you to do something? Hence the question mark.

I think inflamatory, with racist intent.... but you will get nowhere arguing with people who post up stuff like that, just frustration on your part.

My way to deal with it is to keep reading links like that PJM1974's posted up (and an extra one below), just take comfort that there are decent, normal people in all races/religions.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/05/27/edl-york-mosque-cup-of-tea-woolwich-_n_3341891.html

thisI hold these posts in the same regard as "like this if you hate cancer"," December hasSundays this is called moneybags" and "I know 95%of my friends won't pass this on" crap....... Have people nothing better to do with their time than come up with crap like this?

I think you're right that Im wasting my time, but just felt something needed to be said.

Don't you think it's a bit weird that you can be prosecuted for burning a poppy in the first place? Ignorant and offensive it may be, but I tend to feel that the millions who are remembered today died to give us the freedom to do it.

Politicians might like to argue that things are better now in the Middle East, but lets face it, hundreds of thousands have died needlessly (and every death in every war is probably needless) and if my family had been amongst them I can easily see why someone would find it hypocritical that Remembrance Sunday now seems to be more about military pomp and circumstance than about the simple job of remembering the fallen.

Those burning the poppies might not see things this way.

What's the "Islam will dominate Osama" bit all about? Something to do with moderate Islam overcoming the more dangerous extremists?

Politicians might like to argue that things are better now in the Middle East, but lets face it, hundreds of thousands have died needlessly (and every death in every war is probably needless) and if my family had been amongst them I can easily see why someone would find it hypocritical that Remembrance Sunday now seems to be more about military pomp and circumstance than about the simple job of remembering the fallen.

Yeah, I was watching the news yesterday, I think under five hundred British soldiers had been killed in Helmand since the start of the Afghan offensive. I wonder how many Civilians had been killed in the same time period?

See this (and the comments) for some sickening 'poppy fascism', the irony of which seems to be lost on the morons posting.

https://m.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=625136347524388&id=209224299115597&set=a.211785712192789.51018.209224299115597&source=48&ref=m_notif&notif_t=share_reply&__user=603351473

Don't you think it's a bit weird that you can be prosecuted for burning a poppy in the first place? Ignorant and offensive it may be, but I tend to feel that the millions who are remembered today died to give us the freedom to do it.

Yup.

I dont usually wear a poppy. Still donate, just don't like wearing things.
I still stood at the war memorial yesterday for the 2 minute silence with tears in my eyes.
I imagine most of those hateful comments wouldn't have been made, had she been white. Racist bigots, the lot of them!

The jist of which is there was a lot more to the situation than is presented on this short poster.

I refuse this to be true. You are a troll and I claim my £5!

My mum's Victorian long-cased wall clock bonged 11 times yesterday morning and then stopped dead. The spring is half-wound and it's run flawlessly for many years and it stopped dead at 11am on Remembrance Sunday.

Don't you think that's a bit weird? 😯

pmj, you should get yourself on there and confirm how awful it is (or anyone else for that matter)!
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Shibboleth - Member

My mum's Victorian long-cased wall clock bonged 11 times yesterday morning and then stopped dead. The spring is half-wound and it's run flawlessly for many years and it stopped dead at 11am on Remembrance Sunday.

Don't you think that's a bit weird?

Maybe the European Defense Mechanism failed...

Don't you think it's a bit weird that you can be prosecuted for burning a poppy in the first place? [b]Ignorant and offensive[/b] it may be, but I tend to feel that the millions who are remembered today died to give us the freedom to do it.

(my bold) isn't that the point?
I don't think there's any law about burning the quran, but it's still a disgusting and offensive thing to do. The freedom given to us (all) should go hand in hand with a bit of respect.

I don't think there's any law about burning the quran, but it's still a disgusting and offensive thing to do for a minority of the UK population.

You don't need to be religious to be disgusted by an attack on that religion! I'd say the majority of the population would agree that burning a bible or a qu'ran in order to offend people is wrong. Being a dick to people is generally frowned upon.

Well, I wouldn't burn either of those things personally but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if anyone else did. Agree that being a dick is bad though. The future dudes in Bill & Ted had it right.

This.

You don't need to be religious to be disgusted by an attack on that religion! I'd say the majority of the population would agree that burning a bible or a qu'ran in order to offend people is wrong. Being a dick to people is generally frowned upon.

And this.

Well, I wouldn't burn either of those things personally but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if anyone else did. Agree that being a dick is bad though. The future dudes in Bill & Ted had it right.

But most of all, this.

I don't think there's any law about burning the quran, but it's still a disgusting and offensive thing to do.

If we banned everything that someone, somewhere, found offensive, we wouldn't be able to do anything at all.

Banning things offends me. I think we should put a stop to it.

That Facebook page is incredible. Some bitter bigots on there!

Loving the spelling of "Natzi" from one moron though!

If we banned everything that someone, somewhere, found offensive, we wouldn't be able to do anything at all.

No.

The perpetrators unwittingly honoured the considerable number of Muslims who died in the war fighting for the British cause.

The poppy should be as relevant to British Muslims as it is to other British people.

The fact is, there are plenty of stupid ignorant people out there that will victimize and attack those of a different background/skin colour/religious belief just because they're different. Its not limited to skinhead whites attacking Mosques either, I know a few Indian people who have an abject hatred for ****stanis.

All this Quran burning/poppy defacing is all pretty pathetic. Why don't they just turn round and start insulting each others mothers? As for setting up facebook groups...man alive.

On the flip side, everyone has an entitlement to free speech and not be persecuted for their views - surely that's part of what remembrance Sunday is all about. However people also have the right to not be viciously attacked based solely on their religious views or colour of their skin.

The FB post is racist.

everyone has an entitlement to free speech and not be persecuted for their views - surely that's part of what remembrance Sunday is all about.

I suppose that question is; should the law be used against those who do it anyway?

What, like bankers and embezzling money? Or MPs and tax fraud?

The perpetrators unwittingly honoured the considerable number of Muslims who died in the war fighting for the British cause.

The poppy should be as relevant to British Muslims as it is to other British people.

This. My understanding is that the poppy represents those that have fallen while serving in or with the British military. This includes members of different faiths and those with alternate beliefs, which ultimately is irrelevant - all should be remembered for their sacrifice; it has allowed us to be able to talk freely about the rights and wrongs of it today.

i think it is offensive rather than racist.

ernielynch and darcy will be along shortly, to tell me that i am racist for saying this ^......... 😉

Gosh Grum's link to the facebook page makes me tot want to wear a poppy this year . Unlike the fat bloke at the cafe in Cawthorn Park yesterday, sporting a poppy, who sat down and chatted to his dog all through the two minute silence that they held.

Is that what Remembrance Sunday stands for?

Pendant yeah?

If someone has a view on a certain religion, whether its based on fact or not, it's entirely up to them. If they take actions based on those points of view that affect others negatively - or force those points of view onto others, then that in my opinion is wrong and should be stopped. Spreading hate on Facebook/twitter falls into the latter in my opinion.

I wouldn't beat up someone or deface their property because they hold racist views. I wouldn't expect said racist to damage someone else's property because they have a different background or skin colour.

Not really pendantic if it goes to the heart of the issue!

I don't think there's any law about burning the quran, but it's still a disgusting and offensive thing to do [b]for a minority of the UK population[/b].
FTFY

While I agree with your FTFY, I doubt it leads me to the same conclusion. Rights of minorities do require greater protection, because they are more vulnerable.

saw this on a friends facebook status earlier which made me chuckle..

How bout we get with the times and wear an opium poppy for all our troops guarding heroin fields for the corporate military mafia!

and this prat's behaviour is far more offensive than any lame FB anti-islam propaganda

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Rights of minorities do require greater protection, because they are more vulnerable.