[Closed] Is this racist ?

Well it is racist mockery, they are (the Dutch, this teacher and your friends class) mocking an entire race based on physical appearance for what they consider fun. If a Chinese kid was in the class (irrelevant to wether it’s racist or not) could have found himself the but of the joke.

I think a teacher teaching this at school is ill thoughtout in the least and racist at most.

Yes really. It's no different from doing an impression of an elephant or anything else for that matter. It's just the idiotic PC brigade and the media who have deemed it 'offensive'. Stuff like this seems to get clicks these days.

If similar amounts of airtime were given to trying to educate those claiming 'offence' at every turn rather than those 'offending' the world would be a better place.

[quote=andykirk ]It's no different from doing an impression of an elephant or anything else for that matter.

It is - but I suspect any explanation would be lost on you.

Though just in case, I'll try this again - is blacking up offensive?

I have never understood why the term 'slitty eyes' or doing impressions of people who have 'slitty eyes' is in the least bit offensive

If similar amounts of airtime were given to trying to educate those claiming 'offence' at every turn rather than those 'offending' the world would be a better place.

Always good to get an opinion on whether something is racist from a racist. Unless andykirk, you are just trolling? Own up, which is it.

I'm a ginger, short , glasses wearing, irish kid that grew up in the 80's . Nothing shocks or offends me.

Nothing shocks or offends me - that doesn't mean I think racism is okay though...

you didn't get the punchline, if i threw a fit every time i was offended it would be daily. i forgot to add i was a catholic in n.ireland, so yeah i guess all this has toughened me up, as we didn't have a safe space till upto a few years ago.

I have never understood why the term 'slitty eyes' or doing impressions of people who have 'slitty eyes' is in the least bit offensive. I wonder if the chinese do impressions of the big eyed white people? I hope so.

Tomorrow at work, do an impression of an Indian person or a Chinese person near to people of the same ethnicity. Let us know how you get on.

Afraid there are too many posts assuming I am a BNP member to respond to here. But I have a question for you, is it OK to do an impression of an English toff with your front teeth stuck out and a frightfully posh accent?

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[s]Afraid there are too many posts assuming I am a BNP member to respond to here. But I have a question for you, is it OK to do an impression of an English toff with your front teeth stuck out and a frightfully posh accent?[/s]I am unable to defend my position so let me once more attack your view

FTFY 🙄

[quote=andykirk ]is it OK to do an impression of an English toff with your front teeth stuck out and a frightfully posh accent?

Is it anything like an elephant impression?

No you need more arm involvement for the elephant one.

Ah, OK - can you do the arm thing and the slitty eyes at the same time?

Would you make fun of a Chinese person at work and not expect to be called up to HR and probably escorted from the building carrying your stuff in a box?

andykirk - Member
No you need more arm involvement for the elephant one.

Though it only works with trouser pockets.

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EDIT: no need to make it that obvious some of us would have got the joke

So, no one answered my question - is it OK to do an impression of an English toff? I suspect the answer would have been yes it is OK. So why is this OK and yet to do an impression of a Chinese/ Japanese person is deemed offensive? I am not 'trolling' I am genuinely interested in the logic of the whole thing.

English toffs arent a race so its not racist, just offensive

you didn't get the punchline, if i threw a fit every time i was offended it would be daily

That's the nature of microagressions. Plenty of those in here.

For any who think it is not offensive, try doing it in a Chinese restaurant, just after ordering your food, Or maybe in Chinatown, then explain to anyone who confronts you that no offence was intended

As to doing an impression of an English Toff? Well, yes, doing it in China, particularly.

But we have all the usual rubbish from those who like the opportunity to be a bit racist amongst folks with the same view, without any worry about censure from the mods.

Pretty pointless engaging in this argument so far

Just checking if it’s still wrong to call the Chinese takeaway the chinky even if you’re Chinese?

I have never understood why the term 'slitty eyes' or doing impressions of people who have 'slitty eyes' is in the least bit offensive

Well, things may be a bit different now, but my ex, Kim, and her family used to always refer to doing a chinky if they were preparing a Chinese-style meal; she was half-Chinese, her mum was ethnic Chinese from Singapore, her dad a Brummie.

Things are a bit different now. But many of these instances where the folks seems to accept or even use the the language which others impose on them, even if they seem to use it happily are a subject within critical race theory. Just because a Chinese person in an English environment self refers as 'Chinky' it doesn't make it ok.

Well, things may be a bit different now, but my ex, Kim, and her family used to always refer to doing a chinky if they were preparing a Chinese-style meal; she was half-Chinese, her mum was ethnic Chinese from Singapore, her dad a Brummie.

I've just watched a YouTube video where a black rapper talks about his 'niggaz'.... you know, just sayin...

[quote=CountZero ]Oh, and I don’t know about the Dutch, (who aren’t fond of that term, it’s too much like Deutsch, and a constant reminder of German aggression during WW2)

I did consider my use of that term carefully, but decided they started it 😉

Annagalis - English toffs aren't a race? Yes they are, they are a sub-section of the Caucasian race. And as for it being offensive that is ridiculous.

Charlie - So by that reckoning we shouldn't be called 'Brits' either? It seems to me the shortening of country names in referring to people from that country is not inherently racist - it has been made racist.

To me it appears society says it is OK to make fun of those considered equal or above your own 'deemed' position in the world. Yet to do this to a people or race that some sections of society might consider to be below is somehow wrong. To me this only reinforces racial prejudices and stereotyping. There are double standards everywhere, and who is to decide exactly what kind of behaviour is racist? Either we all make fun of each other and do slitty eyes etc. or we stop making fun of anyone. I know which one I would prefer.

Annagalis - English toffs aren't a race? Yes they are, they are a sub-section of the Caucasian race

English toffs aren't a race? Yes they are, they are a sub-section of the Caucasian race

English is a language and an ethnicity, not a race.

'Toff', on the other hand:

"In British English slang, a toff is a derogatory stereotype for someone with an aristocratic background or belonging to the landed gentry, particularly someone who exudes an air of superiority."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toff

It seems to me the shortening of country names in referring to people from that country is not inherently racist - it has been made racist.

That doesn't surprise me.

To me it appears society says it is OK to make fun of those considered equal or above your own 'deemed' position in the world.

Andykirks last post is so full of stupid, I don’t even know where to begin.

What alarms me most is that people like him don’t even realise how stupid they are. Scary.

Ok ok maybe the toff analogy is not a good one. The point I was (badly) trying to make is why is it fine to poke fun at some races in certain ways yet not others.

So Charlie/ Angel can someone explain to me why it is ok for us (assuming most of us on here are from the UK) to be referred to as 'Brits' yet to shorten the names of other countires when referring to their inhabitants is deemed unacceptable?

If the answer is logical I will gladly admit my stupidity.

So Charlie/ Angel can someone explain to me why it is ok for us (assuming most of us on here are from the UK) to be referred to as 'Brits' yet to shorten the names of other countires when referring to their inhabitants is deemed unacceptable

Which countries and which shortenings are you referring to?

Ok... as far as I am aware, examples below of country abbreviations that are thought of as acceptable:

British - Brits
Australians - Aussies

...and examples of ones that are not:

****stan - am sure you can guess
Chinese - am sure you can guess, maybe 'Chins' sounded a bit daft so someone added a 'k'

'Brits' aren't a race either.

Anyway andy you seem to have forgotten to answer this one in your eagerness to find analogies involving racism against repressed white people - is blacking up offensive?

I'll answer your one once you've addressed that.

****stan - am sure you can guess
Chinese - am sure you can guess...

Why don't you want to tell me!

Charlie - as some regard this as offensive?

Aracer - Yes, sorry, I am not ignoring you. Don't forget how stupid I am 😮 I didn't want to go down another argument avenue when this is already a complex issue. Is 'blacking up' offensive..... hmmm... Well, painting one's face black I would say is not offensive. However if it is done for the entertainment of the white man in the context of the white man's characterisation of slaves in the plantations and the stereotypes enforced thereby, then yes it is.

Just using this thread as a thinly veiled excuse to post this vid as it never fails to make me laugh.

And this

I don’t think the white people of Britain have ever been part of a bullied minority. Hence why Brit is not offensive. Similar to how being called whitey, cracker, white bread or similar doesn’t cause offence. In my opinion of course

The point I was (badly) trying to make is why is it fine to poke fun at some races in certain ways yet not others.

This is where you are going wrong. Why do you think it is okay to poke fun at certain races and which races are they? I will start your list for you

1. Chinese
2. ?

Charlie - as some regard this as offensive?

I think you've answered your own question.

Because the term "Brits" doesn't have a history of being used as a derogatory term, where as tge examples you cited have long and illustrious histories of being used as terms of insult.

It's really quite simple.

If the answer is logical I will gladly admit my stupidity.

Because the term "Brits" doesn't have a history of being used as a derogatory term, where as tge examples you cited have long and illustrious histories of being used as terms of insult.

It's really quite simple.

Waiting for admission.

[quote=andykirk ]Well, painting one's face black I would say is not offensive. However if it is done for the entertainment of the white man in the context of the white man's characterisation of slaves in the plantations and the stereotypes enforced thereby, then yes it is.

Good answer, thanks. There is a point to it. Because how is the latter any different to pretending to be ethnically Chinese and reinforcing those stereotypes for the entertainment of Europeans?

Sorry, Tom has already given my answer.

I don’t think the white people of Britain have ever been part of a bullied minority. Hence why Brit is not offensive. Similar to how being called whitey, cracker, white bread or similar doesn’t cause offence. In my opinion of course

Having lived and worked in an environment where being white was very much being part of a discrimated-against minority I would disagree. I was referred to individually and collective based on race and colour of skin, discrimated against, made fun of etc*. As much as it suits our collective angst (or need for it), white people do not have a monopoly on being racist and racism itself is not asymmetric issue.. Racism is racism. Full stop.

* despite this both places were brilliant experiences and wouldn't swap them.

Having lived and worked in an environment where being white was very much being part of a discrimated-against minority I would disagree

Where was this?

I agree, racism is racism.

However, we seem to get fewer threads asking 'is this racist?' refering to examples where a member of the white majority of the UK,even in areas where they are a minority, are wondering if they have been subject to racism. Also fewer threads from people from a minority race, wondering if they have been inadvertently racist to someone in the white majority.

But yes, of course, racism is racism. It's usually quite easy to spot, even if it is veiled, deliberately or not. Unless of course, you happen to be a mod 😉

I don’t think the white people of Britain have ever been part of a bullied minority.

See also: Welsh and Irish

Perhaps I worded it badly (not slept). I and most people I know who are white and from England have never suffered racial abuse. Not that it doesn’t happen, but I think it’s not as prevalent. Unless they had offensive white caractures in Chinese cinema in the past that I missed?

I (white) got racially abused by drunken and roudy aboriginal men in Australia. That wasn't much fun, but mainly as I was expecting to be stabbed whilst buying petrol.

Incidentally, ****stani friends use the word **** openly. "Sorry, you can't come, it's a **** party" The real unsaid meaning of this was "And you're a dick" but still. That doesn't mean that I'd use the word as I grew up hearing it used daily as an insult to my friends.

If there's one thing I hate more than racism, it's Abos.

You do realise what happened to the aboriginal peoples of Australia right? What is still happening to some degree to this day? Not saying their behaviour was justified, but there is s lot of anger there that still needs to be resolved.

Yes I do, I didn't feel marginalised by the abuse. I know that 'they' have been taken advantage of and stolen from and thus didn't feel 'abused' as such, though I did feel in danger of a jolly good stabbing deep in the Outback.

As you travel the 2500Km dirt road from Perth to Alice you'll pass signs saying 'No Whites' as you pass various districts. Eyeopening, though not unexpected.

Everyone should see that side of Oz.

I saw "that side" of Australia when I was living there.
I saw Aboriginal people being refused service in pubs and restaurants.
I saw white people literally spitting at aboriginals in the street.
I saw the Australian government concoct a bogus child abuse scare in Aboriginal communities to continue the age old tradition of stealing children from those same communities.
I saw the systematic removal of state health and education services from rural Aboriginal communities.
I saw a culture that sells "aboriginal" art at every truck-stop, but which desecrates sacred aboriginal sites over and over again.
I saw Aboriginal people engaged in crime and anti-social behaviour, some of which aimed at me.
I saw Aboriginal people drunk at 11am regularly.
I also saw white people drunk at that time and also engaging in crime and anti-social behaviour, some of which aimed at me.
I managed not to hate either group, as most of these problems are created by only a small section of either community, it's just that the problems created by people in positions of power seem to have an impact in creating the sort of bad feeling, poverty and desperation that are fertile breeding grounds for the sorts of problems created by those who have no power, be they Aboriginal, white or otherwise.

Need like button or clapping emoji. What’s been done to the aboriginal people is utterly atrocious.

Replace aboriginal with irish in your post. Would you still feel the same way?

Replace aboriginal with irish in your post. Would you still feel the same way?

Absolutely, why wouldn't I?

^^same here.

I know that 'they' have been taken advantage of and stolen from

I think state sponsored systematic genocide would be closer to the truth than "stolen from"

Yeah, but they threatened me with a firm stabbing, so give me the benefit of the doubt, eh?

so give me the benefit of the doubt, eh?

Give you the benefit of the doubt for what?

What anagallis posted above . They didn't stab me and I don't hate aboriginal people.