[Closed] Is this pandering yet again...Ramadan

Why do we tolerate a religion that won't tolerate non Muslims?

Lol I missed this.

Asking not to tolerate people because they are intolerant? Priceless 🙂

i've been meaning to post on this but i havent. seems to me that some people dont quite get the concept of ramadan and think it is something that is forced on every muslim regardless of age and circumstances.
i've posted many times before explaining the concept of ramadan so i wont do it here...

My twopence worth as a Muslim ;

All Muslims have to fast except in certain conditions. Your sick , pregnant, travelling you don't have to in fact for the latter two it's forbidden. If your long term sick ie diabetic or of old age you don't fast. In this scenario you pay a donation to feed the poor and impoverished. Everybody else who misses any fasts has to make them before the next Ramadan so basically you have a year to catch up. Muslims don't just fast in Ramadan you can fast throughout the year these are known as optional fasts and are recommended for Mondays and Thursdays. Again these aren't compulsory but highly recommended for health and wellbeing. So yes they were there well before 5/2 was ever heard of.

So the last Ramadan in 2015 was the longest I've known it since I was a child but the fact is you adapt and you learn. You learn how to manage your time and sleep. You learn that food isn't the be all and end all. You learn which foods are good full of nutrients and you manage with less. If you have the time watch this video

i think this is as good an explanation as you'll get over the exceptions of fasting during ramadan with an very interesting video link

JZK Lalazar

 

Anyway, so Muslim school kids are at a disadvantage during Ramadan but employees are perfectly capable of carry out their duties, like Doctors, Surgeons, Dentists, police and school teachers ?

ramadan becomes obligatory to all muslims beyond puberty so from about 12/13 they are expected to fast during the month unless they fall into a category that makes them exempt as mentioned by Lalazar.
the difference here is that a 16 year old will only have had a few years fasting experience in comparison to a, say, 35 years old who has more fasting experience and should therefore be able to physically/mentally tolerate and cope with the demands of fasting.

I don't understand OP's query. They moved the exam dates - hasn't negatively affected anyone, but will make a positive contribution to some pupils...what is the problem with that?

@gonzy as always interetsing and informative to hear your views.

My 2p is that once working you can manage things in a way that kids can't hide when taking an exam, as I posted I'd be in favour of a seperate exam taken at a slightly different time but not for moving the whole schedule.

They moved the exam dates

They didn't.

gonzy - Member
Anyway, so Muslim school kids are at a disadvantage during Ramadan but employees are perfectly capable of carry out their duties, like Doctors, Surgeons, Dentists, police and school teachers ?

Really? Who told you? I have never heard of such thing growing up in a Muslamic country ... 😯

My 2p is that once working you can manage things in a way that kids can't hide when taking an exam, as I posted I'd be in favour of a seperate exam taken at a slightly different time but not for moving the whole schedule.

Separate exams would put one group at a disadvantage jambalaya. If the Muslim student were told to sit their exams after Ramadan, do you think it would be fair on the other students who sat exams earlier with less time to prepare and revise?
I thought the whole point of this was to put all the students on a level playing field.
Tbh I don't think it should make a difference with changing the dates. Those who could be affected can be made exempt during the exams and catch up those fasts at a later date.
I've sat exams when I was younger when fasting....never bothered or affected me 9r anyone else I know. I you did badly it wasn't because you were hungry, it was because you didn't revise or try hard enough or because you were plain old thick.

If the Muslim student were told to sit their exams after Ramadan, do you think it would be fair on the other students who sat exams earlier with less time to prepare and revise?

Plus they might get told what the questions were by their mates.

Students with poor handwriting can use a word processor in an exam, or have a scribe or transcript.
Students wirh dyslexia can have 25% extra time (up to 100% extra at the exam board's discretion) and/or coloured paper, and/or a reader to read the questions to them.
Students with anxiety, ADHD or about a million other reasons can sit their exam in a seperate room. Those with ADHD can also have a prompt.
Students can have a seperate room with music playing.
Students who have lived in Britain for less than 3 years can have 25% extra time and a bilingual dictionary.
There are many, many more access arrangements available.

Allowing students the chance to sit their exams when they are not fasting doesn't really seem like excessive pandering in comparirson to the special arrangements that other students can have.

NB - before anyone asks where I got that information from, I am an exams officer.

But your examples cover different forms of disabilities, none of them religion or even cults like islam.

Plus they might get told what the questions were by their mates.

Different papers. Gonzy's point is a good one that students should't be at a significant advantage / disadvatage from earlier / later exams.

Different papers.

I'd have thought that having Muslim students sit a different paper to everyone else would be far more controversial than just setting the date considerately.

…cults like islam

Pretty inflammatory TBH. I (even as a ‘radical’ atheist 😆 ) wouldn't call it a cult, any more than I would call Catholicism, CofE, Hinduism or Sikhism a cult. Factions within, maybe, but the overlying philosophy? No greater or lesser respect due to any of them; and that level of respect is that of live and let live, not insult and denigrate.

cults like islam

a very poor attempt at trolling...1/10 - must try harder next time 🙄

now get back under your bridge and wait for the goats!

Different papers

Then you have the issue of norming as one will be seen to be easier than another - well that an the added costs of more than one paper from each exam board

Not a practical solution but not impossible

Pretty inflammatory TBH.

its only the mods that stop proper racism from coming out