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I personally consider it beautiful and so incredibly avant garde.

Released in 1968. Those boys from Bertone were way ahead of the curve.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 4:47 pm
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I concur


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 4:49 pm
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That boot would be useless for carrying dead bodies 🙁


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 4:55 pm
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It mings a bit IMO, it was the start of the awful angular designs that characterised a lot of sports cars in the 70's

Many other cars of the same age looked better, I give you

Jag E type
jag

Ferrari 250 gto
fer

porsche 911
911

alfa 33 stradale

Ginetta g4


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 4:58 pm
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some more Bertone loveliness 1966


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 4:59 pm
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Posted : 03/05/2020 5:00 pm
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Don't know what it is OP, but I like it.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:01 pm
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I love it.what is it.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:07 pm
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alfa romeo (bertone) bat5 1955


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:14 pm
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It's a Lamborghini Espada. A V12 grand tourer.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:14 pm
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Love the OPs. Don't like the e-type, proportions all wrong. I do like the Porsche and the Ferraris.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:16 pm
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Lamborghini Espada.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:20 pm
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I'd say this looks so much better maybe more of a reader's wife rather than a supermodel
https://images.app.goo.gl/iCXCf5bRVGzo6Y686


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:38 pm
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Lambo is lovely but very much of it's time. Avant garde then but quite dated now.

Julian's selection are from the earlier curves period which I prefer but most look even more dated.

You can find beautiful cars in most era and people to disagree with you.

Here is something even earlier that I like.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:40 pm
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Espada's are lovely things. Not all cars from the '70's were nice but that one is I think. Lambo's answer to the Ferrari Daytona with is another gorgeous car. Enjoying the Harry's garage espada engine rebuild series. Worth a lockdown watch.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:46 pm
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E-type is gopping IMO never understood the love for it.

Derek Starships original picture is ok, doesn’t float my boat but not gopping.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:48 pm
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I may be biased but I like this


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:53 pm
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One of the most beautiful cars ever made.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:53 pm
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Stunner.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 5:55 pm
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If you like Espadas check out Harrys Garage...

Harrys Garage - YouTube


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:02 pm
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Not sure if TIRed and eddiuebaby are talking about my car but I will take the praise.

Thanks guys, I designed it during the six months I was stuck in bed to keep my mind occupied. Took less time than Binky to build it once I was upright too.


 
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I love an Espada. I think it was the last properly elegant GT car Lamborghini made. The Jarama that came afterwards looks like a Datsun Cherry in comparison. Don't get me started on the Urus...
Like Pigface, I also don't get the love for the E-type. It's the non-enthusiast's choice of most beautiful car ever - the Coldplay of vehicles.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:06 pm
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I have the agree about the E type, especially the hardtop version. Roadster is better imo. The cabin just looks out of proportion to my eyes once there is a roof added and the windscreen is not raked back enough. If talking British I always thought the Austin Healey 3000 of the same era was prettier though not in the same league money/ performance wise.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:12 pm
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Apparently the most beautiful is a Renault


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:13 pm
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Nah it was Derek’s. I love a bit of bertone angulism. Saw them in the flesh at the Alfa Romeo museum in Milan.


 
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I love an e-type too. Chap at work restored one, got it way back before they were proper silly money and restored it over about 15 years. Used to drive it a lot in the summer and take it for a euro tour once a year, but doesn’t drive it often now as it’s too valuable. Was a stunning example. Think they look a bat awkward from a certain angle as the windscreen can appear too upright and looks like the track could be a bit wider the way the body overhangs the wheels, but like the big bonnet look.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:18 pm
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That boot would be useless for carrying dead bodies

You wrap them in a rug or carpet. Don’t you watch Archer?


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:20 pm
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Saw an Espada parked up at the harbour carpark in Sandersfoot back in the mid seventies, I was eleven.
Have been a petrol ever since...


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:24 pm
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Triumph Italia 2000. This is the sort of thing I prefer I think

1960 Triumph Italia 2000 GT | | SuperCars.net


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:28 pm
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For the OP - it's very "of it's time" - a similar vintage to myself actually. Wouldn't call it beautiful or minging - stunning maybe, or striking.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:29 pm
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@markrh. Do you mean Saundersfoot? Near Tenby?


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:35 pm
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I like it,

+1 for not entirely loving E-types. some of them look gorgeous, other versions are just gopping.

Same with the 911, iconic and desirable yes nice to look at though? There's not much I could point at and say "I like the way that's done". The best you can say about a 911 really is that it looks like an old 911, follow that back to the original one though and it's just familiar rather than interesting.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:41 pm
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 it’s very “of it’s time”

Sums it up perfectly, it works though as in every part of it looks like it belongs. I think you can appreciate it without either loving or loathing it. It has the wonderful quality though of seeming to be from the future. The future is never anything like the things that look like they are from it but who cares.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:45 pm
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That boot would be useless for carrying dead bodies

Depends how many pieces the bodies are in...


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 6:49 pm
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It's a very, fast, pretty mobile greenhouse

I'd rather have this:


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 7:04 pm
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These used to give me wet dreams when I was 7....

Maserati

mostly as this is what I was racing around my bedroom floor...

Maserati Boomerang


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 7:09 pm
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El Shamino wins, those Volvos are gorgeous


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 7:19 pm
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E-Types are rather polarising, as shown on here, I’ve always liked the lines, but I always felt the arches were too big for the size of wheel and tyre, although that’s very much the period, no cars, sports or otherwise, had fat tyres.
Come forward a few years, and Eagle cars new E-Types look better, with bigger tyres and improved suspension.

The Eagle E-Type Low-drag coupé is quite something as well:

Stunning cars, hand built alloy bodywork and chassis, even the engine is a handbuilt version of the inline 6-cylinder Jag motor.
I’d love one, and the lottery win to be able to buy it!


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 7:48 pm
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Well, I like it. But I've always been a sucker for a coupé / fastback.

If you ever want to hear language that would make Mumsnet blush, ask my tame mechanic what he thinks of the E-type.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 7:54 pm
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Derek starship, Yes. Missing a u wasn't I :-).
It had quite an impact on me. A few years ago you could pick these up for very little money and left to me I would have bought one but probably just as well I didn't as I have an ability to home in on money pits...


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 7:54 pm
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I love the Espada. Great family car, and absolutely gorgeous. Harry's series on the engine rebuild for his Espada is a really nice bit of film, so gentle and laid back. Those engines were so simple by modern standards.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 8:00 pm
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In the early 70s worked for a "family owned" consulting engineers practice. Meaning the partners were daddy and his 3 sons. I took my car into the garage they used for some fettling. "Want to see your boss's new car?" "Ooh yes please". It was an Espada (second hand but still...). I asked if he could stick one of the 6 DCOE carbs to my Imp. He wouldn't miss one would he?

Oh and he had an E-Type V12 too.


 
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Love that era Lambos,the Miura was an awesomely styled car too


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 9:29 pm
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I love the Espada which was more expensive than Maura!s when new. About £100k buys a pretty good Espada now and a Miura is £M’s. I love classic cars to look at but can’t be bothered with the hassle of ownership!

@worldclassaccident the 1930’s car that you posted in the previous post is possibly one of the most imposing cars I’ve ever seen. It’s huge! Amazing thing.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 9:54 pm
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Sorry, but E-Types do nothing for me.
Windscreen looks like Postman Pat’s van,
Oddly proportioned throughout.
Exhaust looks like an after thought.
Wheels too far inboard.
Too high off the ground.
Overall look of an aircraft, as it was heavily influenced by post war aircraft designs, just doesn’t work in my mind, it’s a car for gawds sake!


 
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The Low Drag and the Round Door Rolls are stunning.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 10:27 pm
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Overall look of an aircraft, as it was heavily influenced by post war aircraft designs, just doesn’t work in my mind, it’s a car for gawds sake!

Hmm, I would suggest it was influenced more by the C Type and D Type.


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 10:37 pm
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Hmm, I would suggest it was influenced more by the C Type and D Type.

Like this one, perhaps...

These two are, in my opinion, pretty good looking too



 
Posted : 03/05/2020 11:31 pm
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Lolz at STW loving that thing in the OP and in the same breath slating the e-type 😂 explains the N+1 watch thread....


 
Posted : 03/05/2020 11:53 pm
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Lolz at STW loving that thing in the OP and in the same breath slating the e-type

I never went for the folded-paper school of auto design, that prevailed through the 70’s through into the 90’s, it’s all in the curves, baby! The OP’s post fits into that, along with various TVR’s, Lotus, etc.
That said, as I mentioned about the E-Type, I always thought those arches needed fatter tyres to fill them out, but that didn’t happen until the V12, which was a bloated mistake.
Eagle have it right with their take on the car.
Look at the 250GTO above, it’s very close to the E-Type in its styling, just a shorter nose because the engine was a bit more compact than the straight six, plus it didn’t have a one-piece front end.
Even the 4C above has a hint of the hunched hind-quarters.


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 12:18 am
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Gandini`s later design the Khamsin is a much nicer design .

Look here


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 12:55 am
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Car SOS did an Espada recently. Probably still on catch up.


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 9:12 am
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I saw the Alfa 8C at Wilton house show and was a bit disappointed. Looked amazing from some angles but disproportionate from others. It was as if someone was stretching and shrinking the nose as you walked around it. Kind of hard to explain but I was sad as I wanted it to be perfect


 
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Looked amazing from some angles but disproportionate from others. It was as if someone was stretching and shrinking the nose as you walked around it.

I had a girlfriend like that, best viewed from front on or from behind rather than from the side. Nothing a few beers couldn't fix though.


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 11:16 am
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The Espada is lovely, I think it's 'done it's time now'. Designs like that tend to be so radical when they're new some people just don't like them, then there's a long period when they just look dated because shock factor is gone and finally a lot of the 'baggage' is over and you can see it for what it is. Does that make sense to anyone but me?

I'm glad to read I'm not alone in thinking the old "E-Type is the best looking car eva" thing isn't true.

I've never liked them, the track is too narrow, my guess is that they widened the body to try to make it more proportional with the length of the thing and never managed to widen the chassis legs.


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 11:40 am
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"Car SOS did an Espada recently. Probably still on catch up."

All on Disney + also if you have signed up


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 11:55 am
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I love a good wedge, Khamsin, Pantera, LP400, Esprit, bring em on.

My issue with E types is some of them look horrific (steep windscreen etc) and they are more than a little clichéd in the classic car world.


 
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For me the original E-Type had issues around the wheelarch/wheel area so the Eagle addresses that problem but the important thing to bear in mind is the sort of car it replaced - it was a huge step forward in design/performance at a relatively low cost. And if it wasn't for the factory fire we might have only ended up with the XKSS.

The Espada is one of those cars that works from certain angles - maybe too much height in the glass and a similar wheelarch/wheel issue at the rear.
The Car SOS episode is worth watching if only to find out why the engine is locked up 🙂


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 12:12 pm
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The Espada is beautiful! For a 4 seater GT it is exceptionally so. Making a 4 seater beautiful is relatively tricky. Even today designers struggle with it. Just about everything else people are comparing it with are 2 seater sports cars, which are bloody easy to make purposeful, pretty, fast looking, even beautiful...


 
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It's a bit mingin'

A Scimitar on steroids.

It looked better with 4 doors


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 2:19 pm
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So - people that love the Espada, but don't like the E-Type, what about a Shelby Cobra?

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Posted : 04/05/2020 2:28 pm
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It looked better with 4 doors

Christ no. It looks like that awful Lagonda shooting brake.


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 2:43 pm
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Cobra is ok, would define it as muscular


 
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love that cobra, especially with those tyres with the white writing on the sidewalls (not keen on the blue stripe on them though)


 
Posted : 04/05/2020 3:17 pm
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It looked better with 4 doors

It really didn't...


 
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