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But then I just treat this place like being down the pub with a load of mates
This. Plus some of you are crazier and less predictable than the voices in my head.
The vast majority of people on here that are rude and unpleasant wouldn't dare do it in person as they would end up getting a kicking on a regular basis.
Really? REALLY?
I feel sad that you think that
I've been on this forum for many years, and I've met literally scores if people off here, probably over 100 by now and I find exactly the opposite to be true. Sure, there's some that relish a good argument but that's allowed. That's what forums are for.
But put a real issue in front if the STW massiv and watch everyone to a (wo)man come together. Prime example - Bullhearts cancer.
There's a shedload of good advice on here, it's astonishing sometimes, better than Google, and always a balanced POV if you actually read what is written.
If I agreed with you, would that help? Because if I felt like you do, I'd leave the forum
But then I just treat this place like being down the pub with a load of mates… and that mostly involves taking the pee.
Same here, really. STW is just another social circle that attracts it's own banter. People get to know each other, and the lines and barriers are relaxed. Friendships are made. Wow, just like real life, who'd a thunk it.
I think perhaps 'taking the pee' is all about intent. You can do it with a nod and a knowing smile, or full of rage and malice. A problem then arises in written communication because it can be very difficult to tell the difference. Without body language it's not always readily apparent when someone is joking or deadly serious.
Especially when someone contradicts themselves
I don't see how that's particularly contradictory. Hypocritical, perhaps. (-: I choose to use the forum because, on the whole, I like it. That doesn't mean that I don't get to go "oi, you might want to think about what you're saying" occasionally.
Does it make a difference whether my alias is "Cougar," "John Smith" or "Deathblade Eric the Third"?
Not one jot, no
Anyway, it's slopping out time and big Bert from C block want to see me and I know he's real 🙂 so I'll leave you to it
...Not one jot, no
Sending someone you know an email is not the the same as chatting with strangers that have made up names
Sorry, you seem to be contradicting yourself. Could you perhaps elaborate once Bert's finished with you?
On the other hand Ro5ey, that looks like contradiction to me... (-:
no it isn't as I've no idea if any of those are your real names
Bert didn't want much this time, working in a Public school can be tiresome
But then I just treat this place like being down the pub with a load of mates… and that mostly involves taking the pee.
I often think the same, but there are similarities and differences, you wouldn't wander around the pub joining in any old conversation, you wouldn't drop in on a table to drop a bombshell of a wittisism then leave, you wouldn't listen into another conversation then charge in with you own opinions, you wouldn't walk up to a group of people to hurl insults.
Or would you?
You might do it with mates, but it's a bit rich to assume I'm your mate.
Right you lot are boring me now... I'm off to pull the blonde in the corner.
If I crash n burn I'll see you in the Raj later on
I don't get the OP's problem. If you come across posts that you consider juvenile/rude/offensive and so on, either 1: ignore them or 2: respond.
The response is often a good self-measure against your own monitoring of your own forum approach. No? I mean, yes?
[i]you wouldn't wander around the pub joining in any old conversation[/i]
...or leaning across strangers' tables and saying "WGAF?"
The pub analogy isn't quite right - in a pub you can't listen (or join in) to any conversation you want to.
no it isn't as I've no idea if any of those are your real names
Would it be any different face to face? "Hi, I'm John Smith." Are you?
You might do it with mates, but it's a bit rich to assume I'm your mate.
That's pretty much where I was going with this. You extend courtesies to your friends that shouldn't be assumed by strangers. I'd cheerfully call a mate a c--t, with joy in my heart and a spring in my step. If I did it to a stranger on the street, I expect I'd get a slap for my troubles.
On here, jota180 appears to be suggesting that we're all strangers, but that's clearly not the case. Over time you forge a rapport with some people during discussions. I know some people have a wicked sense of humour, I know some people I can rely on for a good conversation, and I know some people who, well, don't fall into those categories.
The pub analogy isn't quite right - in a pub you can't listen (or join in) to any conversation you want to.
A party might be a better analogy? Lots of people who don't know each other, but interaction is more encouraged.
An American bar might work as well.
Yep I'm defo off now ... here comes that dullard ^^^
See how easy it is OP.
You know, you can go right off some people.
A party might be a better analogy?
More like a football crowd where some are angry all the time, some are mellow, with lots of shades in-between
One lot heckle another lot etc. etc.
I think your problem is that, basically, you're a complete knerbhead.
😉 😆
Sorry Couger you got it with a post before the ^^^
Love you x
wunundred
There is no good analogy. That is the point. It is what it is. An anonymous medium. People respond differently to this. And always will. The best, and possibly only, way to approach this is to learn how a particular forum community expresses itself and try and tune into that. Which is pretty much a cornerstone of social behaviour no?
Wow, I got called a dullard by a stranger online.
Is that the sort of reaction you were looking for?
Has anybody seen kudos lately? Or has he installed killfile and blocked the lot of us?
even your good self has a two day gap in posting this week, ban or holiday?
Neither - Fringe festival on here at the moment so out quite a few nights, and as I'm down-under, it gets a bit tedious arguing with yourself during the day on STW 😉
Really? REALLY?
I feel sad that you think thatI've been on this forum for many years, and I've met literally scores if people off here, probably over 100 by now and I find exactly the opposite to be true. Sure, there's some that relish a good argument but that's allowed. That's what forums are for.
But put a real issue in front if the STW massiv and watch everyone to a (wo)man come together. Prime example - Bullhearts cancer.
There's a shedload of good advice on here, it's astonishing sometimes, better than Google, and always a balanced POV if you actually read what is written.
If I agreed with you, would that help? Because if I felt like you do, I'd leave the forum
Yes I agree, there is a lot of good stuff that happens on this forum. Sadly it can be overshadowed by people making snide comments and generally being confrontational toward anyone they don't agree with. I am of the opinion that although the internet is largely anonymous, it is no excuse for being unpleasant and rude to anyone who doesn't share the same view.
I'm sure some of the people on here are not bad sorts in real life, but if they behaved like they did on the internet, they would find out pretty quickly that that doesn't wash.
I was in a foul mood yesterday and let it get to me. Apologies to grum for having a go at him, it wasn't deserved.
In future I will do my best to stick the bike forum!
On here, jota180 appears to be suggesting that we're all strangers,
This is one of the areas I too struggle with, I'm never too sure whether doing it with strangers is cleansing or keeps me in the gutter where I belong. 🙁
I think it's about time for you to put up or shut up.
Name names. 😈
On here, jota180 appears to be suggesting that we're all strangers,
Not quite, more like "I know of him/her" but don't know him/her
but I'd easily walk past 99% of the people on here as if they were total strangers because they would be
I am of the opinion that although the internet is largely anonymous, it is no excuse for being unpleasant and rude to anyone who doesn't share the same view.
Personally I disagree with two points you're implicitly making here: I don't think STW is really "anonymous", and I don't think there are really that many people who are unpleasant and rude on here.
Why don't I think STW is anonymous? Because we don't randomly change our logins, and we have [i]history[/i]. I may not know TJ or cynic-al or Cougar or whoever in real life, but I do know them on here - I've got a pretty good idea of what kind of response they will give when they post. I've yet to see (or at least notice) anyone who posts regularly but changes their online personality without warning.
Likewise I see very few really malicious posts - rudeness and banter, definitely, and at times I could see that the laddishness could be overbearing, but outright malice? Not often. And I'd probably report it if I saw it.
...you wouldn't wander around the pub joining in any old conversation, you wouldn't drop in on a table to drop a bombshell of a wittisism then leave...
Strangely, I do. Well, not in a pub because I don't actually frequent them on a regular basis, but definitely when I'm just out and about. I'm sure it's some sort of failure to recognise social boundaries and the like but I've always been like it. I nearly always interject with humour and obviously that's easier to grasp when more than just the written word is involved.
Has got me into the odd bit of bother, though...
I'm not perfect and I don't expect anywhere near perfection in myself, relationships or friends.
We are human. If someone annoys you THAT much I question how relaxed and forgiving you are in the 'real' world.
I've had ding dongs with people online and not even remembered or bothered when I've met them in real life.
I can only hold grudges for 5mins anyway.
Hora you're a pile of *!
I'm just going to make a cup of tea... back in 5.
They tend to be related to politics in someway and over 3 pages long....
Personally I don,t think these people are that opinionated in real life and are probably quite nice chaps
Yiou are wrong very wrong 😉
But then I just treat this place like being down the pub with a load of mates… and that mostly involves taking the pee.
Mark says the differenc ebetween this place and a pub is that on here it is the equivalent of standing on the bar and shouting out what you say to the entire pub rathe than just saying it to your mates
however the people who follow you around like a lost puppy posting where you've posted is a wee bit sad (AndyP and RichC spring to mind). They'll be along shortly as they probably use the search function for their username which would perpetuate what I think of them
Wow you actually notice 😯 or you are just deranged and paranoid
Sadly it can be overshadowed by people making snide comments and generally being confrontational toward anyone they don't agree with. I am of the opinion that although the internet is largely anonymous, it is no excuse for being unpleasant and rude to anyone who doesn't share the same view.
If it were me saying this I would re read what you had posted you seem to be the worst on this thread and last night to Grum - troll surely
peepel here r nice and frendley i like it
If i could access Youtube i would play a song to celebrate the return of the datz innit
I've chosen Lady in Red for you Junky...
Wot Mark sez +1. Tru dat!
🙂
I've yet to see (or at least notice) anyone who posts regularly but changes their online personality without warning.
Now there's a challenge. Do you reckon the username "schizophrenic" is available (yes I know that's a fallacy, but "person with multiple personality disorder" doesn't quite have the same ring)?
Now there's a challenge. Do you reckon the username "schizophrenic" is available (yes I know that's a fallacy, but "person with multiple personality disorder" doesn't quite have the same ring)?
How many usernames has Fred had now?
Mark Datz's has returned? Awsum!
How many usernames has Fred had now?
But this is the reverse - many names, same BS
What's it actually achieved buzz? Other than giving you the illusion of 'control' over them?
Oh it's not about control - I have no need to control people, even those I dislike. Using kilfile all about peace of mind.
Doubtless like you, I really enjoy this forum in the main: the black humour, the joshing, the knowledge and helpfulness. But three posters in particular made me feel unhappy on a regular basis. Happiness is really valuable to me, as it should be to you, and I see no reason why I should compromise it, or my enjoyment of the forum. The kilfile helps me avoid contact with the tiny tiny minority of posters who frequently upset me.
It's just little bit of informed self-censure; is that so hard to understand?
That's wierd, this thread pops up at the top of the list even though no-one has posted since since my last one...
Same for me........forum bug I suspect.
Oh it's not about control - I have no need to control people, even those I dislike. Using kilfile all about peace of mind.
Doubtless like you, I really enjoy this forum in the main: the black humour, the joshing, the knowledge and helpfulness. But three posters in particular made me feel unhappy on a regular basis. Happiness is really valuable to me, as it should be to you, and I see no reason why I should compromise it, or my enjoyment of the forum. The kilfile helps me avoid contact with the tiny tiny minority of posters who frequently upset me.
It's just little bit of informed self-censure; is that so hard to understand?
Peace of mind? Control by another name. Dress it up however you want if it makes you feel better and justifies your choice. Killfile is clearly a crutch for you to assist you to do something that most people achieve without a problem. . Make no mistake, the problem is with you.
Happiness is very important to me too. I don't feel the need to exercise control over the views or personalities of others on public forum. To do so would make me unhappy. Because I would be avoiding the real issue.
I've read all that back, I sound like a right bastard. Sorry. I can't think of another way to say it without diluting the message.
When I used it there were some people I just did not want to read their posts in much the same way I would switch over if it was jim davidson on telly or mute it or avoid Top gear etcc
On a forum this is harder to do so kill file is just a quick and easy way of avoiding the words of someone you dont want to read
you will be telling me next its a crutch that I dont read books I dont like or buy the daily mail
you will be telling me next its a crutch that I dont read books I dont like or buy the daily mail
Ah, but how good is your killfile?
[url= http://www.****/news/article-2112118/Charity-shop-volunteer-stole-thousands-pounds-till-trapped-damning-diaries-detailing-thefts.html ]'£37 for shop, £15 for me, hee hee': Charity shop volunteer who stole thousands of pounds from the till is trapped by her own diary boasting of thefts[/url]
so she sto;e from a charity shop and 6 k from a 75 year old widow and she got
Sentencing her to four months in prison, suspended for 12 months, Judge Woodward said: 'You are the kind of person she would look to for help.'
FFS even I am struggling to see what the deterrent is here
Lowest of the low for a crime like that
you will be telling me next its a crutch that I dont read books I dont like or buy the daily mail
I don't think I will because it isn't the same thing, but whatever, it's your tangent 🙂
People use killfiles because they can't control their fingers or their emotions or both. It's not wrong, but it is what it is. Put it in a dress, apply some make up and a splash of perfume. It's still a crutch.
is bitterly mocking folk who do something you disagree with your crutch?
Does it make you feel better than them etc?
Have your view but no need for the disrespect/disregard of people who choose to do differently from you
You could easily express this view with out the bile and hatred ...well someone educated could 😉 just showing it is easy to be a bit of an arse no offence meant.
Have your view but no need for the disrespect/disregard of people who choose to do differently from you
WTF are you babbling on about now??? 🙄
Shouldn't you be watching the tele anyway?? 😉
I'm not bitterly mocking anyone junkyard. I'm quite surprised at how angry you are about this. I neither disrespect or disregard anyone else's opinion, I just happen to think it's bs to call something it's not. Nice little digs there. Perhaps you really aren't in control of yourself. Here's a little pointer for you - it's not my fault.
I'm quite surprised at how angry you are about this.
yes i am livid, no really i am
you dont want to use it some do i dont really see the need to criticise anyone for their choice
Nice little digs there. Perhaps you really aren't in control of yourself. Here's a little pointer for you - it's not my fault.
well I am not in your league am I 😀
People use killfiles because they can't control their fingers or their emotions or both. It's not wrong, but it is what it is. Put it in a dress, apply some make up and a splash of perfume. It's still a crutch.
Well put, sir, well put.
yes i am livid, no really i am
Your previous post floated onto the thread like a poisoned cloud.
you dont want to use it some do i dont really see the need to criticise anyone for their choice
Now this is the problem I think. You don't like my opinion. My criticism is not about their choice, it's about the reasons they give for using it. Subtle but important difference, stated a number of times. Why have you missed that?
well I am not in your league am I
Are you feeling sorry for yourself? If not WTF are you going on about cos I'm baffled.
I really think some new "Big Hitter" certificates are gonna be sent out after this!
Your previous post floated onto the thread like a poisoned cloud.
you did not have to read it or respond though did you
IIRC the response here is
Perhaps you really aren't in control of yourself. Here's a little pointer for you - it's not my fault.
😉
yes mods I know I am oot
id like to see the way some people would react if they were trolled for real, call girls sent to you house, pizza delivery on the hour every hour, taxis, nudes of you and youre wife sent to you family, letters sent to you Neighbor telling them you like small boys etc...
its funny as they completely brake down and cant even figure out who is doing it to them.. and its all done for the lols, its even funny when they find you live on the other side of the planet.
http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/Main_Page
id like to see the way some people would react if they were trolled for real, call girls sent to you house, pizza delivery on the hour every hour, taxis, nudes of you and youre wife sent to you family, letters sent to you Neighbor telling them you like small boys etc...
Apart from those examples not being trolling the link you provide causes MalWareBytes to wake up and shout at me. Not a 100% safe link.
Junkyard - you are away somewhere else. Or on the pop.
No idea what you are talking about now.
Apart from those examples not being trolling the link you provide causes MalWareBytes to wake up and shout at me. Not a 100% safe link.
so if its not trolling what the **** is it???
Hello Mark (Datz). Long time no see! Welcome back!
People use killfiles because they can't control their fingers or their emotions or both. It's not wrong, but it is what it is. Put it in a dress, apply some make up and a splash of perfume. It's still a crutch
When I deleted all the channels that I'm not interested in on my telly I hadn't realised that this feature was an emotional crutch. I just thought I was deleting crap that was of no relevance to me.
But having seen how weak this means I must be. I'll now go and reinstate QVC and thus make my life more fulfilling.
I really think some new "Big Hitter" certificates are gonna be sent out after this!
😆
Yossarian - You [i]may[/i] have a tenuous point, but why be so confrontational about it? It was almost as if you had control issues...
Junky's turned this into a shitefest IMO, personally I'm happy with my opinions and with airing them. That's it really.
IanMunro : it's not the same thing. Why do people constantly try and draw analogies between things that totally flippin different. It's bizarre, that's what it is.
[s]bedwetters[/s] people get upset by what somebody they don't know writes on a mountain bike forum?
lol.
I reckon some people are at some level worried that they're the equivalent of QVC, and are using emotional displacement as a crutch.
bedwetters people get upset by what somebody they don't know writes on a mountain bike forum?
Says the the so-called pro-photographer. 😆
bedwetters people get upset by what somebody they don't know writes on a mountain bike forum?
lol.
THERE NEXT LOGICAL STEP IS SUICIDE!!!:)
Best post in aaaaaages!IanMunro - Member
I reckon some people are at some level worried that they're the equivalent of QVC, and are using emotional displacement as a crutch.
Killfile is clearly a crutch for you to assist you to do something that most people achieve without a problem.
Yep, pretty accurate. I'm happy with that 😀 But I'm not clear why this seems to bother you; I doesn't bother me.
Make no mistake, the problem is with you.
Some people are rude, insensitive or downright insulting to others; I'm not. Some people seem compelled to pick holes in other people's character [maybe you]; I don't.
And you think I've got the problem. Right! 🙄 😆
Ok I was wrong. Over 3 pages, chat forum, political content. Pick 2. And avoid meaningless bollox
And you think I've got the problem. Right!
On why you need a filter, yes. On you as a whole person in the world? No idea.
Says the the so-called pro-photographer. 😆
not a self appointed moniker 🙄
wanders off to catalog HDR sunset snaps...
When I deleted all the channels that I'm not interested in on my telly I hadn't realised that this feature was an emotional crutch.
I completely fail to see any similarities with the issue being discussed. Presumably your blocking software doesn't block threads, just individuals. So to make an analogy with watching TV you would need to be able to watch TV programmes but with the exclusion of certain personalities which you don't like, an unlikely scenario to say the least.
For the record I have no problem with anyone using blocking software, in fact it mildly amuses me - the thought of a grown man/woman lacking the maturity and self-indiscipline to ignore comments and not get wound up by someone who is presumably inconsequential to their lives. It smacks of putting your fingers in your ears and saying loudly "la-la-la can't hear you"......rather childish, but also rather amusing.
Junky's turned this into a shitefest IMO, personally I'm happy with my opinions and with airing them. That's it really
sorry for disagreeing with you can i not air my view?
I seem to have done it without being rude to you in every post and i am confident that either
Perhaps you really aren't in control of yourself. Here's a little pointer for you - it's not my fault.
or you are actually just rude.
you would probably be feeling a bit calmer and happier and like the thread have not been ruined if it just said
Junkyard said something stupid.
ernie the analogy is more like
I dont like QVC = I wont open watch threads or razor threads
I like BBC = OH what tyres thread that intrests me
Oh god Top gear is on = I would rather not read what X said about this
I dont really see why folk care one way or the other tbh or judge so much on the issue
Its rather ironic that the majority contributors appear to be those outraged that someone else needs this crutch..whilst telling them not to get annoyed at what others say/do...ah well
I completely fail to see any similarities with the issue being discussed. Presumably your blocking software doesn't block threads, just individuals. So to make an analogy with watching TV you would need to be able to watch TV programmes but with the exclusion of certain personalities which you don't like, an unlikely scenario to say the least.
And a scenario that robs you of a huge amount of quality material.
I think mainly what is the contributory factor of folk on here being rude op, is that they are 40yr olds going no where who should be working and that they don't get laid, well maybe laid off...
sorry for disagreeing with you can i not air my view?
Eh? Course you can, why bring that up?
I seem to have done it without being rude to you in every post
Really?
Rather than trying unsuccessfully to pick holes in my posts you could have given us all a decent defence of killfile usage. You haven't done that. My opinions have clearly touched a nerve junkyard, but if you go back through the thread I think you'll find you were insulting people a few pages before you and I started off.
Just what are you lot on about? *KILLFILE ACTIVATED*