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Got a guy coming round to do some work at our house, he's just posted on Facebook this belt buckle he's had custom made:
Between the Shutzstaffel belt buckle and possibly Confederate flag in the background I'm thinking he may be a bit of a wrong 'un. Is there another, less sinister, meaning to the double lightning that I'm missing?
I think he's a little beyond "just" racist.
Is he installing any gas appliances by any chance?
FTW is a US biker clothing brand. All punk/goth/heavy metal. It's the sort of stuff that Harley riders wear on their annual visit to Aviemore. You know - all the stockbrokers and heart surgeons.
Er…no
I mean, he's clearly a wrong 'un just on grounds of taste.
But no. Unless he's a Kiss fan and missed a couple of letters, I'm not immediately seeing an alternate meaning here.
Frank the Welder innit. I bet he's got a Spooky Metalhead in his garage.
FTW = **** the world
A quick google - they do a nice line in iron cross belt buckles too....which is nice.
FTW is also an American Wrestling league too.
So he's a neo nazi wrestling fan.
I'd love to lol at the rest of his stuff on FB, usually this type don't just post up one dodgy thing. I bet there is much more.
Is there any way to look at this that doesn’t shout “closet fascist”?
I'd say he's pretty open and honest about it.
As suspected, he has posted more.
This was commissioned for his bedroom apparently.
'Zed's dead". (Pulp Fiction reference).
Have you found someone else yet?
Don't forget to be the genial host
Step 1. Fill kettle, set to boil.
Step 2. Take tea mug, add milk/sugar.
Step 3. insert finger in anus(yours not his) and wipe around the inside of the tea mug.
Step 4. make tea as normal.
Step 5. serve.
EDIT: brainfart, ignore
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I’d love to lol at the rest of his stuff on FB, usually this type don’t just post up one dodgy thing. I bet there is much more.
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Oh it's an absolute treasure trove of anti-vax, Great Barrington Declaration, "slowly slowly catchee monkey" (sic) bollocks as if he's party to some knowledge that will overthrow the New World Order once enough people believe it. You'd love it.
Oh it’s an absolute treasure trove of anti-vax, Great Barrington Declaration, “slowly slowly catchee monkey” (sic) bollocks as if he’s party to some knowledge that will overthrow the New World Order once enough people believe it. You’d love it.
Well, it definitely go with dyna-ti's suggestion then.👍
To answer the question "doesn’t shout “closet fascist”?"
I think the answer is no it doesnt shout that. "closet" doesnt get a look in.
Has he mentioned that if the weather in the channel is nice he will need time off to patrol the beaches?
Step 1. Fill kettle, set to boil.
Step 2. Take tea mug, add milk/sugar.
Step 3. insert finger in anus(yours not his) and wipe around the inside of the tea mug.
Step 4. make tea as normal.
Step 5. serve.
Step 4.5 be sure to remember which mug is his and which yours
FTW is a motorcycle outlaw gang slogan. There are plenty of nazis among them.
He appreciates what it all means or doesn't appreciate it but thinks it's provocative in some way. Either way - I'd spend my money elsewhere...
Step 4.5 be sure to remember which mug is his and which yours
I dont think you can get sick yourself if for example you've used the toilet and not washed your hands. But it might affect the taste*.
*Unless of course its nescafe instant,in which case you'd probably not notice, or it might in fact actually improve it.
I dont think you can get sick yourself if for example you’ve used the toilet and not washed your hands
I think you probably can. Your intestines provide a very environment to your mouth, eyes, stomach, etc
Polite camera actuion - I don't think they are an "outlaw" gang at all. They are weekend warriers are they not?
Most of the replies have focussed on 'FTW' but it's the Nazi SS symbol I'd be worried about
I don't think there's much "closet" going on there really.
He would not be coming into my house.
What work is he doing? We need to know what this fool does for a living.
Is he installing a secret special room for a 'collection', à la Father Ted or Pulp Fiction?
Is he building you a dungeon for nazi memorabilia?
Edit. Too slow!
I’m glad I don’t judge people who I employ by their political opinions or fashion sense.
In fact, if I did, I’d get fired.
bensales
Free Member
I’m glad I don’t judge people who I employ by their political opinions or fashion sense.In fact, if I did, I’d get fired.
Would you employ someone with the numbers 18 on their arm/ neck etc?
It's got nothing to do with politics or fashion.
I’m glad I don’t judge people who I employ by their political opinions or fashion sense.
Political beliefs?
You think Schutzstaffel insignia are acceptable? A military organisation that murdered thousands of people because of their ethnicity?
In fact, if I did, I’d get fired.
Perfectly possible to dismiss an employee for bringing a company into disrepute. And having a publically open social media feed full of fascist insignia has been used many many times to justify these actions.
I’m glad I don’t judge people who I employ by their political opinions or fashion sense.
Why are you 'glad' that you don't judge people who might show signs of being white supremacists, for example?
I am very glad that I pass judgement on people who might openly display signs of being neo-Nazis.
There's a huge difference between employing somebody, with all the legislation that entails both for the individual and the business/employer, compared to using a tradesperson in your own home. That's not employing someone, merely using their service(s).
Yup - neo nazis are where I draw the line
As an aside I twice have had contact with Tory politicians from my lobbying work. My loathing of Tory politicians is well known and tho I needed to hold my nose I did work with both of them. I wouldn't work with an openly neo nazi
hightensionline
Full Member
There’s a huge difference between employing somebody, with all the legislation that entails both for the individual and the business/employer, compared to using a tradesperson in your own home. That’s not employing someone, merely using their service(s).
No ones said otherwise?
No ones said otherwise
I’m glad I don’t judge people who I employ by their political opinions or fashion sense.
In fact, if I did, I’d get fired
How would you be fired at home? I mean, they may have a very determined other half, but still.
^^ I'm not clear what you are on about in truth?
Bensales post clearly alludes to this role as an employer at a company?
In fact, if I did, I’d get fired
Yep, and that has no relevance to this situation. OP can choose who to let into their home, compared to having to follow employment legislation if you're at work. Chalk & cheese.
Ok, I'm not even sure what you are contesting so I'll just say, "ok".
compared to having to follow employment legislation if you’re at work. Chalk & cheese.
Refusing to employ a neo nazi for most employers would not be an issue nor would be sacking an existing emplyee once you discover they are a neo nazi
All I'm saying, in reply to a post stating that the person was glad they don't judge people like other people in this thread or they'd get fired, is that it's not the same scenario here. The OP is not at work, and can make those choices without the same framework of discrimination.
Erm, ok.
I'll just keep it vaguely on topic.
How about you make him sanitise absolutely everything he touches ,make him wear a mask and no mobile phones allowed in the house.
5G kills ,3G maims.
Probably best that you phone him and cancel the work, tell him you dont like his belt buckle.
The thing I've got an issue with is he's kind of a mate, there a bunch of us that go motorbiking and he occasionally comes along. I knew about the COVID conspiracy stuff, I think we all know types like that, but he posted that belt buckle yesterday and I was genuinely shocked. Who in their right mind thinks doffing your cap to the worst of the worst Nazis is a good thing?
Everyone else in the group has known him since school and they're all just, "yeah, that's just crazy [name] being his usual self" but I can't help thinking that kind of begrudging acceptance might end up with us being lumped in with him.
He’s not crazy, he’s a massive dickhead!
I can’t help thinking that kind of begrudging acceptance might end up with us being lumped in with him.
Could be solved by wearing this;
He sounds like a massive cock
Plenty of folks I’ve met in life who are friends of friends that I don’t particularly like. If I have to share space with them I will but I’ll not make any effort to engage with them when out
I certainly wouldn’t be paying them to do work on my house (I assume you are paying him)
And none of them come close to being nazi sympathizers…
Hang a few Star of David emblems around the room and leave a book highlighting the horrors of the Holocaust where he'll see it.
Personally I'd tell him to do one,
Seems a little bit odd to be stalking your builder on FaceBook.
He obviously has a few issues but maybe you do as well ?
I wouldn't consider it stalking to carry out due diligence on a company/worker who you employ to carry out work.
I read the thread title as 'Closest Fascist". I think for the OP he is...
He obviously has a few issues but maybe you do as well ?
Everyone has issues. Having an SS belt buckle made goes a bit beyond having a few issues in my opinion.
Seems a little bit odd to be stalking your builder on FaceBook.
Have a reread of the thread to better understand why the OP might well have our neo Nazi's photos in his feed.
Besides - with the wonders of sneaky social media it's entirely possible. I recently googled the guy who does our plumbing to get his number. 24hrs later he pops up in my Facebook 'people you might know suggestions'.
but I can’t help thinking that kind of begrudging acceptance might end up with us being lumped in with him.
It's not just that, it will also embolden him to freely express his pro-nazi sympathies.
I would definitely say something even if it's just along the lines of "what's the idea of getting a custom made belt buckle with an SS insignia?". If he comes with some bollocks about it looking cool I just point out that is nothing cool about what the Nazis did.
I would probably leave it at that, the important thing is to make clear that you disapprove. The more people do that the less likely he is to parade his pro-nazi sympathies, and the more likely he is to realise that it is not acceptable to most normal people.
If you don't want to employ him then don't.
Same as I wouldn't employ anyone who had a picture of themselves wearing a face nappy, a picture of Jeremy Corbyn or the EU flag on their Facebook page.
Easy innit.
Same as I wouldn’t employ anyone who had a picture of themselves wearing a face nappy
Face nappy?, do you have the intelligence of a single cell amoeba?, Shows a wanton disregard for those of us who suffer from immune disorders.
c'mon soma, you big snowflake. Have you any idea how unpleasant it is to have to wear a mask over pure, white, supreme skin? It's so sensitive - could cause a rash or anything; dampness or mild chafing at the very least.
I wonder if "SS" on that buckle is for soft-skinned and we should all cut that guy some slack too
Yep, I didn’t take his baby soft pure white aryan skin into account, I guess daveylads face breaks out into discharging sores and resembles a lepers crotch
It must be so difficult for him and I failed to take that into account.
Love & compassion to you davey, you’re being so brave, a righteous little soldier indeed.
Same as I wouldn’t employ anyone who had a picture of themselves wearing a face nappy, a picture of Jeremy Corbyn or the EU flag on their Facebook page.
But you would with someone with Far Right/Nazi symbols on their FB?
OP - have you asked him about it?
As you say, you are kind of mates - so take the uncertainty out of it.
I wouldn't employ a known Neo- nazi, or a tub thumping anti semitic blinker lefty, if I was working one on one with them.
The issue is probably not the known ones, but the un-known ones. From his posting he is far from being "closet".
Back in the mid noughties, they did a poll in Austria where 60% of people said they had fascist sympathies.
Hofer nearly was elected with 49.3% of the vote. Then there was Joerg Haider in the '90s.
Would that stop you buying anything Austrian?
Well no, I have a KTM... [cogs turning] who use WP suspension... WP genuinely stands for White Power...
Am... am I the fascist?
a tub thumping anti semitic blinker lefty,
I've no idea what 'tub thumping' means in this context. But (allegations against Corbyn aside) is there a link between the far left and antisemitism?
There is a ;link between the left and and anti zionism / anti isreal and the isrealis will tell you that is antisemitic
The daft that about that of course is that the arabic race are semites and most western jews are not if you take the real meaning of the word
I know a bloke who uses the term face nappy. His profile picture on Facebook is of him holding a big fish, with a st George cross / help the heroes border.
He's known as a complete ****, whose opinion is roundly ignored by everyone.
the arabic race are semites and most western jews are not if you take the real meaning of the word
Yup. I don't know why they don't use the term anti-jewish as it is clear that many Jews aren't Semitic, or at least not in comparison to say Palestinians.
I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I can gather, sympathising with Palestine apparently makes you anti Isreal and therefore anti jewish, or something.
The thing I’ve got an issue with is he’s kind of a mate, there a bunch of us that go motorbiking and he occasionally comes along.
Best place to have him in this situation. Familiar enough to have a quiet word about it and see what the situation is but not so close that explaining to him that it means you don't wish to go forward on the job would be awkward. Entirely depends upon his explanation of it, he could have done it for a laugh or just has an interest in the history of it while condoning the actions. The recent uproar about Lineker's tweet would be a perfect get-in to start the conversation in a nion-threatening manner and see how it goes.
can't really see any closeting ? :/
He's welcome to wear his neo-nazi-flavoured insignia, you're free to take your business elsewhere, as I would. TBH the Great Barrington/New World Order bollox on his instagram would be enough for me. The SS belt buckle would just be the cherry on top of the loon-cake.
I wouldn’t employ anyone who had a picture of themselves wearing a face nappy, a picture of Jeremy Corbyn or the EU flag on their Facebook page.
Being pro EU / pro face masks is apparently the other side of a coin that has Nazi insignia. The world has gone crazy.