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[Closed] Is there a way to get an idea of whether planning permission would be granted?

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 IHN
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We're looking to move to somewhere around, ideally in, the Peak District. I've seen a couple of places that I think would be great if we could do some work on them like an extension (either double storey or building on top of existing single storey), or a loft conversion, or similar. Nothing Grand Designs-esque, but still fairly chunky stuff that would obviously need planning permission.

Now, if we couldn't do those things, we wouldn't want those properties. So, is there any way of finding out the likelihood that planning permissions would be granted? I know it's not a done deal until it's applied for, but it would be useful to know whether or not the Park Authority would laugh in our faces at the very idea of our, er, ideas.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:16 am
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Local Architect?


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:18 am
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Submit a pre-application to the Planning Department for a small fee.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:31 am
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Pretend you're related to Dominic Cummings and just build it.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:33 am
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Some councils offer pre-planning sessions (for a small fee). That may give you some useful guidance, depending on how helpful the person you get is feeling.

Always worth noting whether other nearby buildings have extensions etc. If everything else still looks like pre-war miners cottages then you're probably screwed.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:33 am
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^^^

round here the only advice the planning dept will give now is to submit a planning application...

take a walk around, look for precedent. look up the planning applications for the area and see what has been approved/denied.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:36 am
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have a look around the area and see what has already been done. We did this before designing our extension and kind of matched the other ones nearby to make the planners life easy.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:36 am
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round here the only advice the planning dept will give now is to submit a planning application…

That's what we found. I tried tried ringing up ad having an informal chat. Even just very vague ideas of what would be allowed but all they could suggest was that I submit a detailed pre planning proposal. something that requires drawings et and takes weeks, no good when considering a offer on a house. The planning departments have been told not to speak on anything now which is ridiculous as you don't even know where to aim.

We just took a punt and looked at what else was going on around us.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:42 am
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Study the Government planning guidance/Local plan or local planning guidance and history of whats been granted. Time consuming, so you could talk to a local planning consultant which would cost you. Of course, there's always the randomness of planning officers and or planning committee members interpretations, and the odd bit of fierce local objection which could influence the decision....
I'd be sucking it up and talking to a consultant if the Planning Authority don't offer pre application advice.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:44 am
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friend of mine lived just out side the National Park boundary but Peak Planning had some kind of jurisdiction still. They were very unhelpful to the extent that he moved rather than adapted the property to the needs of his growing family. We're talking converting run down outbuildings into useable space here rather than doubling the size of the property or such like.
His was very rural and would have had zero impact visually to anything locally. Don't know if location helped or hindered him. Was a few years ago now.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:45 am
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This is where paying for a good architect comes into it's own. We got planning granted in August on a fairly complex project. Went through first time....our architect was about 30% more expensive than other quotes, but none of the others have us any real confidence that they knew the best way to approach the project from a planning perspective.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:53 am
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Assume it will be a planning battle for any substantial extension within the Peak Park. Find a planning consultant who is based in the park for advice and see if the are prepared to work on a success based fee - I doubt they will.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:53 am
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IHN - we (architects) work in the Peak District (as well as the Surrey Hills/ South Downs - I know, mtb areas only... 😉 ). I will PM you.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 10:56 am
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It's simple maths isn't it?

A £50 note is 156 x 85mm x 0.113mm
A c5 envelope envelope will expand to hold 75mm thickness at those dimensions.

1)calculate the cost of that volume in £50 notes.
2)multiply by 60% of the number of councilors on the planning Committee plus at least 1 planning officer.
3)Deduct this figure from your liquid capital.

If the number is +ve you'll get planning.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 11:12 am
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A mate of mine is a planning consultant at the northern end of the Peak District (Holmfirth area). I expect he or someone in a similar role would be able to provide guidance for a fee. DM me if interested and I'll connect you up.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 11:42 am
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Move to Suffolk and apply to build fifty houses in a field, you’ll definitely get planning permission.

Edit: not a lot of help op, but true.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 11:44 am
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I've found that submitting a planning application is usually quicker than asking for pre ap advice these days.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 12:45 pm
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What is commonly referred to as 'precedent' is in fact the legal principle of consistency in planning decision making. In effect, planning decisions have to be decided on a consistence basis and where a planning officer wishes to depart from this they have to fully explain their reasons why otherwise their decision can be subject to challenge.

E.g. There may be a local planning policy requiring the roof on any extension to be lower than that of the existing building. However, if it has never been applied to extensions in an area and then the local authority seek to impose it on a new development, they are offending the principle of consistency and would have to provide compelling reasons for departing from the accepted norm.

One ascertains and assesses the developments that have been approved or refused in the area. Consider the form, the scale, the position of such developments etc plus the reasons given for approval or refusal and, in conjuction with local planning policy, ones applies that to the site you are seeking to develop.


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 1:32 pm
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What is commonly referred to as ‘precedent’ is in fact the legal principle of consistency in planning decision making. In effect, planning decisions have to be decided on a consistence basis and where a planning officer wishes to depart from this they have to fully explain their reasons why otherwise their decision can be subject to challenge

Try telling that to Mole Valley planning - bunch of obstructive w@ers, i'd happily nuke the entire building..


 
Posted : 12/11/2020 1:46 pm

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