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This very interesting article proposes the reasons why the manmade climate crisis, might after all be one very large scam.
Is the 'manmade' climate crisis a scam..?
I have been receiving a lot of links like this from fellow pilot colleagues recently with articles saying similar things. Colleagues with seemingly lots of time during long layovers to spend on their phones looking into this stuff.
But not claiming to know much about this myself, I wonder if they are they correct, or perhaps partly correct? Or is it just more conspiracy goo?
Would be interested to hear peoples thoughts on why this guy is wrong or right.
Nope. It isn’t. But some pilots, like some mechanics, and some oil workers etc would like everyone to think it is, so that they can feel more comfortable going about their business while the planet burns. <br /><br />
No, it isn't.
You have gone down a rabbit-hole of misinformation.
I quickly scanned that article. It's main thrust appears to be being snippy about everyone who provides him with information rather than making cogent arguements.
When you start talking about shadowy elites sending us back to the stone age I think you've abandoned any pretence of being objective
The amount of crap we have pumped into the atmosphere VS the sheer amount of deforestation is enough in itself to be a concern. Even if the earth was going through a natural cycle the imbalances created by us aren't something that anyone should gamble on
No it isn't. HTH.
What purpose would it have to be a scam. The remedy is going to cost a lot of money to fix and also cost carbon intensive industries most of not all of their profits. A scam on this level would have to be to make people money not cost everyone.
Who gains from calling it a scam though? Oil companies etc....
No it isn't a scam, the science is pretty settled and we have to do something as we have not felt the real impacts yet, when we do it will be scary as hell not to mention the population movements
Well, I only skim-read that, but the first paragraph says "In the UK winter is spent trussed up like a turkey in twenty layers of clothing" - yesterday I went for a run with my dog wearing just enough to stay decent, and still only kept cool by wading through the overnight lakes that had appeared from all the rain.
When I first moved to Cambridgeshire over 3 decades ago, I remember seeing icicles several feet long hanging from the windows. Don't see that anymore.
The rest of it seemed to be ad-hominem attacks, and if that's all he's got, it's probably garbage.
I've not fully absorbed the link, I have a low tolerance for conspiracy theory-esque screeds. However, as with anything, the provenance of such things needs looking at. That it's come from
fellow pilot colleagues
would suggest, to my suspicious mind, a set of people with a vested interest in not being culpable for causing climate change.
The rich powerful elites of the world are rich and powerful through selling us stuff. Why would they want us to go back to the stone age? They are already rich and powerful, they don't need to pull any kind of scam.
a set of people with a vested interest in not being culpable for causing climate change.
The pilots aren't culpable, they are just doing their job. People who fly aren't culpable either because we all just do what is available and affordable. Governments are culpable - but then again, they are in a very difficult position because extricating us from the situation that's evolved is really hard, and even if they knew what to do people wouldn't necessarily vote for them to do it.
In any case, figuring out who to blame isn't really important. We need everyone on board with the solutions, and playing the blame game will actively prevent that from happening.
A quick glance at the site you linked to shows clear distain for:
Global warming
EVs
Face masks
Trans people
As such, he's a **** and I'm oot...
DrP
I am confused when people say the climate crisis is a scam to make money...<br /><br /> https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/oil-gas-industry-earned-4-trillion-last-year-says-iea-chief-2023-02-14<br /><br />
He is an expert on wines from Aldi too?
https://tomdoorley.substack.com/p/hot-tips-for-aldis-wines?utm_medium=reader2
The rich powerful elites of the world are rich and powerful through selling us stuff. Why would they want us to go back to the stone age? They are already rich and powerful, they don’t need to pull any kind of scam.
Did they get to be rich and powerful by ever being happy with their lot, or do they want more, more, more?
Plenty of opportunity to sell us even more stuff if we need to ditch existing oil infrastructure to replace it with mostly new renewable energy systems.
The author mentions that there are plenty of scientists, several nobel prize winners, who disagree that we have a climate crisis that needs fixing, see here:
Coming to you from the esteemed author of such articles as "How much of a con are electric cars..? Look a little deeper and they're snake oil on the roads." and "Onshore wind farms desecrate the countryside. Is that their intention..? Nothing is sacred. They will take until we have nothing left."
No it’s not a scam. There are 2 elements to climate change. There is the natural cycle that has seen periods of warming and ice ages going back millennia and then a man made effect overlaying this which is causing the rapid changes that overlay this natural cycle. <br /><br />
Given that as a species we don’t seem to be doing much about controlling the man made bit then it’s all a bit academic anyway
He's a dab hand on the flute too.
Met up last August with a mate who's a well respected Prof of Ecology at the ULPGC. His view was that the changes so far are irreversible, that China, India and Brazil are not taking their foot off the pedal and that in time we'll all be aspiring to move to Iceland or Greenland (not Sheffield).
It's always worth having a look at the other posts on a substack when confronted with something like this.
Looks like we get a full bingo card of anti-vax, anti-woke, anti-climate change and seems to have issues with Rainbow Flags.
...yet successfully reaching Net Zero, in which no dependable energy is available will mean people dying from the cold, or at least dying of boredom...
gotta love it.
Thanks, if you could let me know which bits are misinformation
Because it's a mish-mash of vague suggestions, insinuations and random attacks on people, it's not easy to pick out and critique. But it's not hard to find numbers for atmospheric CO2 levels, e.g.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide_in_Earth%27s_atmosphere
In the UK winter is spent trussed up like a turkey in twenty layers of clothing while stuck on trains heated to slow cook temperatures.
I got as far as the second sentence. Christmas eve was T-shirt weather this winter. That's weather not climate, and data is not the plural of anecdote, but it illustrates the point at about the same level of intellect as the original article.
Then it moves onto this little gem (after some poetic guff and filler about bears not catching trains).
Winter confirms why it’s a colder planet, not a warmer one, that poses a greater risk to mankind. Roughly twice as many people die of cold each year than heat (CDC National Centre for Health Statistics).
No shit Sherlock, people live in places with temperate summers and cold winters, because you can store some food fairly effectively for a cold winter, surviving a summer without water is somewhat harder. So yes, Minnesota winters kill more people than Death Valley summers.
Secondly, a 2degC swing won't kill anyone directly.
It will mean more extreme weather though. A dry summer with a hosepipe ban feels bad because it effects individuals directly. But consider the wider impact of that summer. It means crops don't grow. Which means we import them from somewhere else, after all a hosepipe ban doesn't lead to a shortage of bread in Tesco. But that pushes the global price of wheat up. So a consequence of that dry summer in the UK, somewhere it is a contributing factor towards someone dying of starvation.
This is rather awkward for the Net Zero hysterics singing the climate crisis hymn while sticking fingers in their ears at their increasingly erroneous modelling.
If he's not going to provide sauces then I'm not digging in. You can't say something is misinformation when it barely reaches the threshold of an opinion let alone a statement that can be proved.
The rest is just the usual mix of critique of COP just being a **** swinging contest over which country has the biggest delegation and government jet. And ohh so smug "I'm so clever, I'm the only person to figure out that if the wind doesn't blow* then wind turbines don't work".
*If the wind's not blowing it's likely a high pressure system. If there's a high pressure system the suns out. If the winds not blowing and the suns not out we have grind interconnects with France and Norway who will be getting the benefit of all those Atlantic lows being pushed their way by the blocking high. But to be honest the concept of a relationship with a whole other country is probably alien to someone who sounds like they're writing it from their parents' attic.
The article is really poor Alex - sounds like an angry teenager. It's cold outside, politicians suck, so there's no climate crisis. There's no quality or seriousness to it at all - how can you find this very interesting?
I think we should all stop feeding it.
I'm guessing you're a pilot? Something that's more than a job, rather it's it's a skilled vocation that makes up a significant part of your identity and that you're proud of being having completed years of training?
What's the simpler explanation? That having achieved pilot status people are trying to avoid the cognitive dissonance of recognising that something so core to their very sense of self is ruining their children's future? Or that disparate groups of governments, industries, and scientific bodies are colluding to sell us climate change related stuff?
Don't like the message so blame the messenger. 😕
OP, what’s your insiders view on chemtrails?
FFS! It’s 2024 and complete numpties are still in denial.
What always amuses me about pieces like this, is these people have clearly never worked in academia - academics will go out of their way to prove each other are wrong (which is kind of the point of science and hypothesis testing). We would be TERRIBLE at holding some global scam that 1000s of scientists were all in on for decades.
How many more edgy talking points from this newly-arrived poster do we need to call bingo?
If he truly is a pilot, then I need to know which airline to avoid, in case he starts doing his own research about the efficacy of landing gear.
No
There are data. <br /><br />
Hang down your head.
No.
Huge weight of scientific evidence that man made climate change is real.
I'm not going to trust some bollocks conspiracy article over that.
I understand why the slow of thinking who can't appreciate (or let alone overcome) their own cognitive biases find it alluring.
But ultimately, they are idiots.
Don’t like the message so blame the messenger.
It's not like we're blaming email for the fact that we received a more expensive insurance renewal or something. In this instance the messenger and the message itself are interlinked (just as they would be if @ahsat posted some sort of rebuttal beyond what's already written above) and it would be naive to think otherwise.
If we just hang on a bit longer maybe Gandalf will crack open a rock and save us all from a terrible fate.
alex - are you a pilot?
You posted about nutrition on the NHS thread then went quiet when GPs and others who know what they're talking about got involved.
You have, only this morning, posted to the covid thread questioning why - in your opinion - the right questions are not being asked; if you had spent any time listening to or watching the enquiry proceedings you would know that the questions you list are being asked.
Do you understand that the enquiry is structured into specific modules each with their own dedicated focus?
This means that some aspects have not yet been subject to focussed questioning.
Now you're posting a link to an article about climate change written by a 'psychoanalytic/psychodynamic psychotherapist'.
Why would anyone take any notice of the article or give it any credence when the author has no experience of the subject, is definitely not a subject matter expert, has no apparent understanding of climate science?
He is nothing other than a random bloke with an opinion.
If he’s not going to provide sauces then I’m not digging in.
Thanks for that - reminded me I need to add horseradish to my grocery list.
in case he starts doing his own research about the efficacy of landing gear.
I've saved OP the trouble and done a deep dive into the evidence. And actually, I might be onto something here. Most landings with failed landing gear result in no fatalities.
However, hundreds of people have died from stowing away inside the nose-wheel and freezing to death.
An argument for doing away with nose-wheels entirely? Makes you think.
I can't be arsed reading the article, but if by manmade, he means the claim that freak weather events are caused by homosexual activity, then yes that claim is a scam. Clearly those freak weather events are caused by god as retribution for homosexuality and therefore cannot be classed as "manmade".
In this instance the messenger and the message itself are interlinked
so if we abolish climate science then the problem goes away, nice lets crack on. 😕
Now I confess I’ve not read the article but: Something...lizards.... something....jimmy saville....something.....moon nazis....something....global elite... hunter Bidens laptop....something... one world government.... somethings?
Top trolling OP.
In answer to your question, No I don't think climate change is a scam, fossil fuels however...
Makes you think eh?... 😉
I quickly scanned that article. It’s main thrust appears to be being snippy about everyone who provides him with information rather than making cogent arguements.
When you start talking about shadowy elites sending us back to the stone age I think you’ve abandoned any pretence of being objective
That. It's all about reinforcing the idea that there is an elite out to stuff us rather than real arguments. The answers to the few points that are actually put are out there and well known but that doesn't really matter to that man 🙁
Alex22 joined on 14/12 2023 and there's anything to suggest it's anything other than a spamming climo-sceptic troll account.
*lost interest and jumped to end to post this*
The number one UK "scientist" named in that Climate Consensus link was Christopher Monckton, 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley 😂
so if we abolish climate science then the problem goes away, nice lets crack on.
Yeah ok I obviously made my point very badly.
I was trying to point out that the messenger in this case seems to have an opinion that affects the message, not that if we ignore it it'll go away. Because it won't. The OP seems to have though. Makes you think.
well he's obviously ever so qualified and clever because he is a pilot we shouldn't be questioning it. You've just been on a fancy driving course mate
What actual data, holes in peer reviewed work has actually been called out in the article? What new information is it declaring? One graph, that isnt explained given as fact. No analysis.
When an author uses the word dunces, scam, elites etc, it pretty much loses all credibility.
It's widely accepted that fear and ignorance fuels the majority of conspiracy theory pushers.
I'll let others add "characteristics" if necessary..
Christ not this again. The main scam doing the rounds about climate change is that we're all doomed and there's no point doing anything about it. It's just another pathetic attempt from the fossil fuel lobby to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.
If you want to read something informative about climate change then try this.
the idea that there is an elite out to stuff
There is an elite out to stuff us, it just isn't an organised group just many wealthy powerful people who use that wealth and power to buy and influence politics for their own benefit against the general good. Which is why their has not been enough action on climate change. Even though actually investing in com batting climate change would produce large scale employment in green industries and drive wealth into the working population rather than the asset owning classes. It is that apparent re-distribution of wealth why some/many highly wealthy people fund the "climate change conspiracy" IMO.
I miss when they pick very select parts of the temperature data to prove the planet is cooling. Or the "You said there was going to be an ice age" what aboutary.