[Closed] Is Jaguar the new Audi/BMW?

Not that I've noticed

Audi drivers are consistently mentalists

Merc drivers FTW these days. Probably all leased.

Yep, and even Volvo's are often now driven by ****ers. The only cars you can be sure of being driven slowly (but not well) are the Honda Jazz and Toyota Yaris

Witnessed one or two. But I'd say the tractor engined A4 is the choice for former Impreza drivers these days

I’m very chilled when driving my Jaguar. More than I was in my Mercedes.

Only time I get a little more anxious is if someone figures out I’ve left my wallet at home.

The only cars you can be sure of being driven slowly (but not well) are the Honda Jazz and Toyota Yaris

I've owned both of those. I still have fantasies of my boy-racer youth so I drive like a **** (within the limits of what a shopping trolley can do, obviously).

I think Jaguars tend to be driven slowly and erratically predominately by the elderly, particularly the gopping SUVs. I think that’s why I don’t like to be anywhere near them if I can help it.

That said, SUVs in general seem to attract lobotomised drivers. I wonder if the SUV or the lobotomy comes first.

Audi drivers are consistently mentalists

Hi! *waves*

BMW, Audi, Merc and Evoc's SUV's seem to driven by middle-class mums with not a ****ing clue of anything going on around outside of their metal cocoon.

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BMW, Audi, Merc and Evoc’s SUV’s seem to driven by middle-class mums with not a **** clue of anything going on around outside of their metal cocoon.

Sadly, this seems to be the case near me too. Though there also seems to be a growing trend near me for full fat Range Rover SVR, Jaguar FPace things.

I don’t understand the sense of entitlement. Driving a 2.5 tonne, 5l petrol car as a daily driver when there are people all over the world campaigning/protesting climate change. How? Why?

When I switched from Audi my driving instantly changed.

Merc drivers FTW these days. Probably all leased.

Why is this always used as some sort of insult, of course they are leased who in their right mind puts cash into a depreciating asset when for a few hundred a month you can have one, under warranty and with breakdown cover and only needing a couple of services during ownership. It’s hassle and worry free motoring and makes a lot of sense if you do lots of miles, tbh even if you don’t they are a nice place to be for a few £££ a month so why not

Audi a3 smoker here, 143k and 9 years old. It had a black box fitted 2 weeks ago, the insurance saving incentive sees it driven like miss daisy!

@wrightyson out of interest how much does it save you? I thought it was just a new / young driver incentive?

Why is this always used as some sort of insult,

It's not. I lease my skoda. It's an indicator that the way Merc are marketing themselves is not towards their old customer base but a more showy generation who have limited capital but enough disposable to afford the rentals.

Plus they drive like ****s.

Discovery sport this morning overtook me as I was turning left, they were also. There was plenty of room for them to do it with the required 5 ft but no they cut in front of me so I had to brake. ****. I peddled furiously to catch them so I could open their boot at the next junction but need to work on my fitness.

…in terms of entitled/aggressive driving?

The utter nut-case who pulled out across the dual carriageway of the A9 at Perth last night, 9pm, p*ssing with rain, dark, and she pulls out in front of a double queue of traffic. That was proper entitlement.
70->20mph in about four car lengths, I was already eyeing up the verge when I realised that I was stopping about a car length from her boot.
She was in an Up!

So no, entitlement seems a growing issue among all drivers in all cars.

Thanks for all the responses, but...

.. it's not binary, nor definitive!

@phil5556 I don't know yet I think it's worked out in quarterly periods. I've got a young driver policy because my daughter has gone on as a named driver. I questioned it via ringing several times to make sure they had me as the policy holder. To be fair the web page showing your data is really good and weve finally hit the very good bracket after 3 weeks of drinving. Makes you think about your driving every time you get in the car.

Seems to me a dick remains a disk irrespective of the car you put them in.

Discovery sport this morning overtook me. I peddled furiously to catch them so I could open their boot at the next junction but need to work on my fitness.

You’d make yourself look a dick though as it locks when driving.

I don’t know yet I think it’s worked out in quarterly periods. I’ve got a young driver policy because my daughter has gone on as a named driver.

Ah that makes sense as to why you have it. I presume you have a maximum price and get a discount if you behave?

I’m not planning on getting one, just curious.

@Daffy. This is the bit that I don’t get - my mate has just got the fast X5.. the one with the nearly 600bhp M5 engine. It is an absolutely absurd vehicle. Think he’s getting about 10mpg round the doors.. 😳. I drive a hot hatch mind, so maybe I need to have a look at myself before judging others on the climate change front.. I just fundamentally don’t like SUVs, especially the “sporty” ones.

Oh and the comment above about Yaris’ doesn’t hold true round here. There’s one gets driven everywhere on its door handles! And the white Evoque gets my vote - like the delightful lady who tailgated me for about a mile while playing on her phone.

When I switched from Audi my driving instantly changed.

Is that because you were no longer battling understeer?

I peddled furiously to catch them so I could open their boot at the next junction

im not sure you can open the boot of modern cars while the engine is running.

Why is this always used as some sort of insult, of course they are leased who in their right mind puts cash into a depreciating asset when for a few hundred a month you can have one,

How many hundred per month?

Someone I know spends over £500 per month leasing the two cars in the household. I’m not sure how much I’d need to be earning before I wasted that much money on cars. (Actually I do. I just wouldn’t.)

I think JLR Products tend to be driven slowly and erratically predominately by the elderly, particularly the gopping SUVs.

Indeed, FIFM

Someone I know spends over £500 per month leasing the two cars in the household. I’m not sure how much I’d need to be earning before I wasted that much money on cars. (Actually I do. I just wouldn’t.)

People have different priorities and spend money in different ways, it’s not waste to them.

I was chatting to someone at work the other day who was surprised that I’d just spent £250 on brakes for my bike and that I fly kites that are worth up to £1k.

People have different priorities and spend money in different ways, it’s not waste to them.

I was chatting to someone at work the other day who was surprised that I’d just spent £250 on brakes for my bike and that I fly kites that are worth up to £1k.

Indeed. I wouldn’t for a minute tell anybody what to spend their money on.* But when you’re on your deathbed you’ll remember the money spent on your kites and bikes for more than the £1000s spent on your commuting hatchback**.😀

* This planet has - or rather had - a problem, which was this: most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movement of small green pieces of paper, which was odd because on the whole it wasn't the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy. Douglas Adams.

** I also lease a family hatchback, ☹️

I live near Solihull, it's prime JLR country with countless company cars on the roads. You can lease up to two through their employee scheme depending on your job.

Not many of them are driven with much consideration for other road users. In fact a friend of my partner had her husband killed by some dick doing over 80mph in a 30 in his father's something or other.

…in terms of entitled/aggressive driving?

i've got 2 court appearances due as witness against BMW drivers.....

1) out for a walk X3 driver turning right at a junction in front of on coming traffic causing the traffic to break hard and numerous rear end shunts he drove off but i got his registration.

2) driving in heavy rain in a 40, overtaken by 7 series doing about 80 loses it due to aquaplaning on some localized flooding 360 spin ending up into the hedge backwards.

dicks in BMW is still a thing as far as I'm concerned

You’d make yourself look a dick though as it locks when driving.

Only if it didn’t come off in my hand 😋

im not sure you can open the boot of modern cars while the engine is running.

That is certainly true with most cars but who can say with JLR electronics!

I wish it was as simple as looking out for a particular brand but entitled dickish driving can happen in any vehicle. There's a chap in a little Kia or something equally naff who close passes me on a regular basis. On the flip side I often see very considerate driving from Audi estates, maybe some of them are cyclists.

BMW 3 series driver here. I had a Honda Accord estate prior to my current car and my driving is pretty much the same.

It was a bit of a joke, based on some recent experiences,

I'm not saying every Jag driver is a dick etc (or any brand) just anecdotes that certain type of driver seems to favour a certain brand.

Maybe it's an Edinburgh thing Al, the worst close pass I've experienced on the commute between Ed and Kirkliston was in a Jag, and some of the worst driving on the motorway and bypass seems to be doddering old folk in their jags doing 50mph in the fast lane...

who in their right mind puts cash into a depreciating asset when for a few hundred a month you can have one, under warranty and with breakdown cover and only needing a couple of services during ownership. It’s hassle and worry free motoring and makes a lot of sense if you do lots of miles, tbh even if you don’t they are a nice place to be for a few £££ a month so why not

Well I guess that’s me. I bought my Merc 8 years ago and have been putting my company car allowance towards more interesting things ever since

I live near Solihull, it’s prime JLR country with countless company cars on the roads. You can lease up to two through their employee scheme depending on your job.

the chap who bought my Airnimal was driving a brand new Disco. His son actually leased it for him via the JLR scheme. He said he got a new one every 12-18 months. Mind you, going by the recent reliability survey results for JLR, I think it might be more of a curse than a blessing...

I do quite a lot of miles (drive a VW). I have to say the most most aggressively driven cars ime tend to be hot hatchbacks, followed by men driving people carriers and then vans.

Personally, I have never understood the leasing thing.

I drive a lot, around 28k miles a year so encounter a lot of poor driving.
In my experience any car can be driven by a total cock.

Personally, I have never understood the leasing thing.

Mine goes back in a fortnight. You pays your money and makes your choice.

Leasing, maybe 3K/year (I'm paying less than that currently but bargains seem thinner on the ground than two years ago), you get something new / nearly new at a decent spec. No MOT costs, full warranty, breakdown cover, insurance top-up (accident management and covers things like hire car costs), no need to buy tyres for a three-figure sum, it's needed one service in the time I've had it. Hassle free motoring.

Buying new for the same annual outlay, the same car would have taken me eight+ years to pay off. By which time it would cost me nothing in repayments but at eight years old it's approaching an age where it's time to get rid before it starts getting expensive. So I'd have maybe two years of "free" motoring in an ageing car before starting again.

Or for the same money over a single lease time I could have bought a 7-year old Focus. Pay it off in a couple of years and I'll own outright... a 9 year old Focus. And if the engine falls out of it a few months after I've bought it, I'm humped.

Then there's bangernomics. Buy a shed, run it into the ground, pocket the money you're saving and have the exciting game of wondering whether you're actually going to get to your destination when you set off.

There's middle grounds too of course but it's all a sliding scale, it's a dilemma to be sure. I know to some a car is just a tool, but for me it's somewhere I spend a good deal of time. I want something that's a nice place to be in the same way that people might want nice wallpaper in their house or spend ten grand on a kitchen.

How often do folk here buy new bikes? Would you spend say £50/month if you could trade one for a brand spanking new ride with all the latest tech and toys every two years, worth about five grand?

I may be missing something, but on the subject of leasing, surely the bottom will fall out of it sometime. If more people are leasing, who's buying the cars afterwards?
If the used prices drop, then leases will cost more.

They typically go to auction I believe.

Used prices aren't dropping all that much.

They offered to let me buy mine, wanted £13k for a two-year old Octavia. So at £2.5k a year (which is broadly what my lease is) I'd have paid for it outright in seven years. Which isn't actually that bad a deal, I'd have saved maybe three grand over buying it new in a showroom. But then we're back to square one, I'd have a seven year old car that I might get a couple more years out of before wanting to shift it on where it's worth about £2k.

Ie, over the course of a decade I'd be five grand better off, or £500/year to have a nearly-new car for ten years over having the same one all that time. The only way that makes sense to me is if I'm going to take the bangernomics route and just run it into the ground until it dies completely. And if I'm going to do that then I may as well just do it now, buy someone else's 10yo shed and save myself fifteen grand. Which, as I said, is a dilemma - it's certainly tempting.

Only if it didn’t come off in my hand

Once again you'd struggle as it has a rubber button rather than a handle.

Range Rover drivers are the most reliably dick-ish, for sure.

Other brands just fighting for scraps underneath them.

Oh wow ..most folks don't like Audi / Jaguar / Merc/ BMW drivers ..I should be ok then as I've never owned a BMW ..
I nearly had a bit of a complex for a moment there ...😂

I have never looked at leasing as my mileage has historically been way too high - around 30k per annum.

A change in work location has opened up the possibility of public transport which would allow me to cut back to 10 -12k a year or even less. So, I am now starting to look at my options.

I'm currently driving a 5 year old VW CC GT with 85k miles on the clock. I bought it at a year old for £18k with 6k miles on it. However, I will own it outright in a year when it should have around 100k on it and many more years driving in it.

If I lease a car now and say pay £300 per month for 3 years on pcp I could theoretically buy it at the end of the contract but dealer would likely be looking for around £17k final payment. It would take me 7-8 years to own a car eventually.

Otherwise I'm just perpetually on a new deal merry go round paying £300 to drive a car with limitations on my mileage and that just seems like dead money to me? Am I looking at it incorrectly?

I just fundamentally don’t like SUVs, especially the “sporty” ones.

Why is that, exactly? My next car will be an SUV, I haven’t decided what yet, toss-up between a Sportage, Mokka or Ecosport, because I, like most people who buy them, have a good reason to do so.

They typically go to auction I believe.

Used prices aren’t dropping all that much.

They do indeed, when I was working for BCA the cars we picked up were all leased, mostly Motability but plenty of other leasing companies as well, and all of them go into auction, either directly at BCA or Aston Barclay, or via on-line auction, because I delivered quite a few directly to dealers, on occasion the car had been sold before I had even got to the dealer!
Where I work now we deal with Motability and Enterprise cars, Motab cars either get a valet, if the car is undamaged, repaired or refurbished, or sent straight to action if the car’s age and mileage and condition makes the cost unviable.
Enterprise cars are just stored, and go onto online auction.
We have a 67-plate Tesla X from Enterprise on site at the moment, that’s a nearly £90,000 car, it’ll be interesting to see how long it’s sits in our car park for...

Shooterman - I don't think you're looking at it incorrectly but there is another consideration which influences some people and that's ego; look at me - I've changed my car, again.
I don't think there's an unduly high risk in buying an older used car - just do your homework, talk to anyone you know in the trade, thoroughly research the make/model, check full service history, check the actual car in person as fully as you can and then negotiate hard.

Why is that, exactly? My next car will be an SUV, I haven’t decided what yet, toss-up between a Sportage, Mokka or Ecosport, because I, like most people who buy them, have a good reason to do so.

Because they are inefficient, crass, ugly and unecessary.

For years, car design evolved along principles of either utility, beauty, or both.

SUV's are a backward step. A way for those who buy them to display their ego, rather than their taste or understanding of design and engineering. 🙂

Shooterman – I don’t think you’re looking at it incorrectly but there is another consideration which influences some people and that’s ego;

And another consideration that you're missing @frankconway which is convenience and a fixed price. If you lease you know you'll be paying £300 / month (or whatever) for a car that is in warranty, will only need 1 or 2 services and that's likely all you'll pay.

Over the same 2 years of ownership an out of warranty could throw up any bill that you're not expecting. If my car was leased I wouldn't have been laying on the drive in the cold a couple of weeks ago replacing the front suspension - an extra £200 in parts + £40 alignment and probably nearer £500 if I hadn't done it myself.

People pay for convenience.

My last car died after 2 years of ownership so in that instance I would have been better of leasing, my current car (assuming no unsuspected bills) needs to last about 4 years for it to have been the better option financially vs leasing. (Very quick man maths, ignoring the fact that I chose my car because I like it and not just purely as a tool).

I had to do car park duty for an hour today. I can confirm that Audi drivers are still twuts.

@ CountZero I was talking to a manager from Enterprise a few weeks back and he mentioned that they had a couple of Teslas in the country..
The vehicle you are talking about wouldn't happen to be the one that they have been waiting for a replacement windscreen coming over from America ..for the last 3 months ..would it ?

They offered to let me buy mine, wanted £13k for a two-year old Octavia

The interesting bit is, of course, what the leasing company paid for the car in the first place.
Pretty sure my last car, 66 plate octy 2.0tdi se tech, had a purchase price to Skoda UK of just over 14k against a RRP of about 22k. I didn't bother asking to buy it, but I'm willing to bet it would have been around the 11-12k mark. So I'd have paid c7k rentals against a car I could probably have bought new for 19k, to end up with one worth about what I would have paid.
It's all made up numbers anyway - the manufacturers are making profit regardless.

Twut eh.. I hadn't realised..
What is that exactly ? ...

foot down where appropriate and necessary.

It is never necessary unless you are a member of the emergency services. But some people are not very good at organising their lives and then think that the resulting time issues justify fast driving. They are wrong.

As for this:

as I see them disappear from sight in rear-view mirror.

You race away from people trying to overtake. Really? And you think they think they're driving gods ! You know what I think.

Edukator - if only I was perfect, as you are.
I have no idea what you think, nor do I care.

A BMW driver gave me a gap so I could get off a slip road onto the hateful A14 the other day; he flashed me, and then slowed down so I could get in!

Edukator
Seems like you scored.

If I can be arsed I may thing…..wrong decision – as I see them disappear from sight in rear-view mirror.

Sorry Lewis.

22 years in Audis, tried Bimmers, Mercs and Jaaaaaaggggs (pretty much Fords in drag) still not a patch despite all the tat about "Steering feel" etc etc, Currenlty on a an A6 Allroad BI Turbo and loving it. 42mpg on a run from a 315hp monster, beleive me as Jag is not a patch on Audi.

Well balanced individuals drive Hondas.

Born again Christians and taxi drivers buy Toyotas.

Romantics drive Alfas.

Pragmatists drive Mazdas.

Tight fisted romantics who actually have to get somewhere choose FIATs.

Insecure egoists drive whatever is marketed at insecure egoists. For the past 30 years that has been BMWs, Audis and SUVs.

Secure egoists drive Mercs.

People who have no imagination drive Fords.

People who are frightened of imagination drive
Vauxhalls.

People who inherit their clothes drive old Volvos.

People who aren't very interesting at parties drive new Volvos.

People who are the same age as you but would quite like to **** your daughter drive Jags.

Tight fisted romantics who actually have to get somewhere choose FIATs.

Amen brother, amen.

Bless you my child.

We still have an '08 Giugiaro Grand Punto in blue, simply because it's the most beautiful small car ever made.

Lovely to drive, possibly the most well balanced, engaging, communicative supermini ever made.
Thrashable and fun.

Obviously, most of the electrics have packed up, but needs must when the devil vomits in yer kettle.

@Rusty Spanner..
It's no wonder I'm such a confused, messed up individual ..
I drive both an Audi A6 Allroad S-tronic ..and a Vauxhall Insignia Estate ..any advice on which shrink I should go to ?😂

So in ten years I’ve gone from being a well balanced individual, to having no imagination, to being a secure egotist, to being a pragmatic individual who’d like to **** your daughter.

This forum’s collective chip with respect to cars is hilarious at times.

^^^^ Bensales
Seems that since racism, ageism, weightism, sexism etc are now off limits, car-ism is the only acceptable way for all the prejudiced bigots to vent their ill conceived views.

Oh maaan! When did the fattist not being allowed thing happen?

People who inherit their clothes drive old Volvos.

People who aren’t very interesting at parties drive new Volvos

Oh man, my dad's wardrobe is a mix of C&A and Edinburgh Woollen Mill.

Car sterotypes work, clubby. I used to do a lot of hitch hiking. When I recognised the car I started guessing about what the occupants would look like - sex, age, hair style, dress. When they got closer and I could see them I knew whether it was worth keeping my thumb out or give my arm a rest. When I got in I already had a pretty good idea of how that person would drive and what they would talk about.

I note Renault isn't on Rusty's list so I'll add one:

Renault : people who have to get somewhere and aren't even romantic about it. The number indicates how likely they are to stop and pick me up.

Zoé: Bobo Eco: 3
old Clio: men and women who are so hot their car doesn't need to be. 7
Clio 185 etc: hot car for men more interested in cars than women. 2
Scenic: any member of the family might be driving it. 3
Kangoo: risk averse active family man and Mrs. 0
Twingo: students with rich parents and women who need a shopping basket. 6
Talisman: rep too cool to be seen in a Beamer. 2
Captur/kadjar: SUV, see Rusty above, but surprisingly 6.

I realise this is a light hearted bit of banter but like the "all bloody cyclists" the "all bloody BMW's" or whoever is bollocks, its just people, a significant number of whom are dicks.

Yes, driving a BMW is the same as experiencing racism. It’s time this injustice was brought to an end.

Well, I <heart> my bmw and in my 5th year of pcp I’m in the fortunate position of being able to settle it early next month which I will do, saving £1900 compared to waiting until the end of the term.

Not leasing means you aren’t tied to the monthly payments and gives you a little more flexibility in life, who cares what car you drive.

I resisted driving a Jag for years due to the old man image. Then I realised **** I’m an old man. So I bought one. I also wear a flat cap and live in Yorkshire so go figure 🤔. Your daughters however are quite safe 😂.

who cares what car you drive.

As long as you’ve got matching sunglasses, eh?

Back to Jaaag. I suspect the brand will disappear within 5 years, it clearly doesn’t have the funding of other car manufacturers and currently has a distinctly underwhelming line up with the majority on offer being long in the teeth.

Some drivers see big car and think – ‘oh good, big car being driven sensibly on main road so I’ll overtake them as I’m a driving god’.
If I can be arsed I may thing…..wrong decision – as I see them disappear from sight in rear-view mirror.

That makes you as much of a dick as those overtaking you...what does it matter if they do? Providing it’s done safely, it doesn’t affect you.

Nissan Qashqai’s are normally driven pretty bloody badly. But a dick can drive any car.

So ... SUVs. I'm being defensive here but  I drive one as I have a bad back and need to have my feet well lower than my arse when driving for any distance. I'm 6'4" so I need headroom to fo that. Modern cars aren't built like that apart from SUVs as far as I have test driven. I'd love to get a wee van again (I miss my Kangoo van something rotten) but the Mrs insists we have a car that can carry more than two folk. Solution? SUV. Also, no aquaplaning and it goes in the snow. Result!

@hodgynd - no, I don’t think so, it’s got a small stone chip on the driver’s side of the screen, but nothing that would require a new screen. It’s just shy of two years old, 1year 10months in fact, so it’s just reached the end of its lease period, I guess.
It’s a Model X 100D, 518BHP, so no slouch!
We get much newer Enterprise cars in than that, so I don’t really know how Enterprise decide when to pass a car or van along to auction.
I do know that more often than not the cars are usually pretty grubby, with empty bottles, cans and foot wrappers all over the interior.
But then, most Motability cars are the same or much, much worse.

Also, no aquaplaning and it goes in the snow. Result!

How does driving an SUV stop you aquaplaning?

That makes you as much much more of a dick as those overtaking you

i really don’t understand those that speed up once you start over taking them 🤷🏻‍♂️