[Closed] Is it illegal to take a firearm on a train ?

If its legal elsewhere, why would a train be different?

More than likely an air rifle which would be fine as it was in a bag.

Anything else would probably need to be in a locked transport case.

Bit of a [i]shot[/i] in the dark, but I'd say it was an air rifle, hardly a mass murder weapon?

Sure it wasn't a fishing bag?

As long as you have a valiad reason for carring it, yes.

No def a rifle bag.

Could well have been an air rifle... Not disputing that.

I ask my question again

Is it illegal to take a firearm on a train ?

Look at it this way, If you were in america you could be in a carraige where every single person is carring a concealed weapon and its perfectly legal...

But were not in America.

And you are presuming it's an air rifle....so could have been an ak 47 for all we know.

Carrying a rifle in to the centre of London?

Everyone seems to think that about thecUS but in New York it is close to impossible to get a firearms licence and even harder a permit for a concealed weapon

He wasn't Brazilian by any chance?

Perfectly legal. Thread closed

Perfectly legal. i.ve taken a 12bore on the tube before...

Ok question answered 'perfectly' thank you.

great , i'll just dust the gatling gun down and take it to my cousin in manchester.....

Yep perfectly legal mate. Thread closed.

A firearm? Possibly, you have to get to the range somehow, and I can't see it would be PC to say in your car is OK but on public transport isn't.

A shotgun and air rifles, almost certainly OK (educated guess based on licensing conditions of shotguns).

Personally if travelling on public transport I'd use a hard case a little less conspicuous, could be an instrument. Better not to cause a cafuffle.

It may be legal but it is not permitted in the NATIONAL RAIL CONDITIONS OF CARRIAGE

Oh so not so 'perfectly' then

A few years back I was on the train back from London to the village in Kent where we lived. I was in the guards van with my bike and a skinhead bloke (in paramilitary gear - Black MA1 jacket, combats and boots) got in just as the train was pulling out of Victoria. He was acting really oddly - looked like he was speeding his nads off. Really jumpy and nervous. He leaned out of the window and as he did so, I saw what looked really like a hand-gun tucked into his belt.... really didn't know what to do. Ended up diving out of the carriage and calling the route control on my mobile from the corridor (I worked for the railway at the time). They got in touch with the BTP and had an armed response team waiting for him at the next station. The hand gun turned out to be some sort of (still illegal) taser / stun gun thing, and the bloke was done for possession as well but still felt a bit daft nonetheless.... in my defence this was a few weeks after the bombings so was perhaps a tad paranoid.

Was hidden though?? And not supposed to be seen?

So according to wysiwyg this is .... Still ... Errr...

Perfectly legal ??

Still legal. That NR conditions of travel is never enforced as it originally said it was not permitted to carry a loaded firearm and a few years ago someone updated it to unloaded without checking. It's been sorted out by BASC And NR now

Oh so not so 'perfectly' then

The train companies are able to give a dispensation permitting carriage where requested, and even if they were unwilling to permit carriage, the only sanction they have is to refuse you carriage.

This is why they they're called 'conditions of carriage', they are not laws

So, Yes, perfectly [b]legal[/b], as he said

If you owned an air pistol, had itun a concealed holster on your person, and was unloaded. As long as you had a reason. Such as returning from gunshop or going to the range that's perfectly legal too

Wow..Thanks for clearing that up.

A few years back I was on the train back from London to the village in Kent where we lived. I was in the guards van with my bike and a skinhead bloke (in paramilitary gear - Black MA1 jacket, combats and boots) got in just as the train was pulling out of Victoria. He was acting really oddly - looked like he was speeding his nads off. Really jumpy and nervous. He leaned out of the window and as he did so, I saw what looked really like a hand-gun tucked into his belt.... really didn't know what to do. Ended up diving out of the carriage and calling the route control on my mobile from the corridor (I worked for the railway at the time). They got in touch with the BTP and had an armed response team waiting for him at the next station. The hand gun turned out to be some sort of (still illegal) taser / stun gun thing, and the bloke was done for possession as well but still felt a bit daft nonetheless.... in my defence this was a few weeks after the bombings so was perhaps a tad paranoid.

The kind of person that can procure a ranged taser weapon (one that fires a dart) is the type of person that can procure a handgun. You made the right call mate.

Legal - provided it is in a proper case, not loaded, and not exposed.

Many years ago (and I know, laws have been significantly tightened since...) my father and I took a couple of guns up to London to be checked for their authenticity.

We travelled by train and tube - no-one batted an eyelid, until two coppers in Green Park (where we were having a sandwich) asked us what we were carrying. They looked a little shocked when we produced a 4-bore, and were very keen to know what we were doing with a very large weapon so close to Buck House. However, they were satisfied with our reason for having the gun there and both us and them went on our way!

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If you're a KGB agent - legal

he was probably just off to rob a house but wanted to protect himself in case some old guy came at him with a shotgun

Just phone the POLICE, and seriously disrupt the transport system for a few hours, but best to be sure.

As he wasnt well off enough to own a car,and had to use public transport perhaps he was on his way to a robbery.

Thanks project

That's exactly what I didn't want to do- and the reason behind why I didn't.

I am opening it up to STW - as a discussion/ chat.

This is why they they're called 'conditions of carriage', they are not laws

So, Yes, perfectly legal, as he said

But does legal just refer to the law of the land and not rules/etc?

Like, say ... an illegal chess move 🙂

If you were in america you could be in a carraige where every single person is carring a concealed weapon and its perfectly legal...

Firstly I am not sure that this is true anywhere in the USA.

Secondly it may be true in some states of the USA but gun laws are not applied in a blanket fashion across the USA (different states have different gun laws)

Thirdly could you not be on a train in th UK where every single passenger is illegally carrying a concealed firearm.

Not sure what the point of what I am saying is but I am saying it none the less.

Thirdly could you not be on a train in th UK where every single passenger is illegally carrying a concealed firearm.

You mean like the District line on a Friday night?

Legal - Yes.

Will National Rail allow you carry one ... NO. As mentioned before "Conditions of Carriage" say No.

That said, if you break it down, and put it in a holdall, so long as you have a licence to carry it ... then no-one is any the wiser!

Everyone seems to think that about the US but in New York [b]City[/b] it is close to impossible to get a firearms licence and even harder a permit for a concealed weapon

Not sure what the point of what I am saying is but I am saying it none the less.

That pretty much sums up STW forum.