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a normal amount
my GP will only give me them 14 at a time
You're going to need a lot of laxatives for them
Think we used to get 120 at a time for the dog.
It sounds like a ridiculous amount. It’s addictive and like all opioids, gets less effective with time.
320 - does the doc work for team Sky ?
it's basically a cure... for [i]not[/i] being an axe-wielding manic
As the Young Ones predicted
Standard dose is 60 or 120mg. I was only on 120 after major bowel surgery.
Only if your travelling to Egypt to see your husband I believe
Only if your travelling to Egypt [s]to see your husband[/s] [i]with your boyfriend[/i] I believe
+1
Obviously his back was so bad that he couldn't even carry the tablets himself.
I suppose it depends how many you’re told to take.
I was given 50s after an accident but could take 2 at a time, so 100mg every 4 hours, but sometimes I took more which is supposedly dangerous but I was in stupid amounts of pain at the time.
You shouldn’t take more than 400mg a day, even at 1x 320mg a day I’d be off my face when that kicked in. I was on 2x 50mg Tramadol, 2x 30/500 co-codamol and diclofenic. Add a can of monster and two fags into the mix and I was smelling colours by breakfast.
3 months of that and the withdrawal was horrible though, like flu for weeks.
Used to take 7/8 a day of the 50s, three at a time in the morning and I was floating around! I was doing this for a while then went cold turkey, it’s horrible. Itchy skin, sweaty, head aches. Unless you’ve severe short term pain I’d not recommend it, long term it’s bloody addictive and the pain killing effects do start to wear off the longer you take them.
Christmas bonus. Street value of...?
Rather oddly when I was prescribed amitriptyline someone asked my wife if she could buy it from me!
[quote=mickmcd ]a normal amount
my GP will only give me them 14 at a time
She was given them by "a friend", not a GP. 😐
Think we used to get 120 at a time for the dog.
pharoah hound by any chance?
wonder if he will wait for her?
wonder if he will wait for herby all accounts he's got a couple of other ladies on the go.
She'll be like a fresh copy of Razzle when she gets out.
Mother on law has literally 1000's. She's been on an automatic repeat prescription for years and has stopped taking them so they've just been stockpiling.
Could make a killing on the open market.
Could make a killing on the open market.
And if she had a friend who'd take them to Egypt..........
Didn't know they were illegal there
But yet took hundreds with her, almost as if she knew you couldn't get them there or something.
What would our gutter press make of someone coming here from Africa with loads of illegal drugs in their luggage...?
TBF "difficult to get" and "illegal" are separate issues. It probably wasn't smart to take them but that doesn't prove criminal intent.
Very glad to read she was convicted. She was carrying opioids into the country, not for here own use and without any paperwork.
If she had arrived in the UK under similar circumstances, it would have been a very clear case of possession with intent to supply and the sentencing guidelines would have seen her sentenced pretty much on par with what she got in Egypt.
Tramadol has become a huge problem in Egypt recently.
Rachel
What has criminal intent got to do with it?
When I broke my shoulder I think I was given about 60 at a time. In fairness it was simple to get more each time but I was never given massive amounts at once (i.e. 300 🙂 )
What has criminal intent got to do with it?
Indeed. I don't know about Egypt but here ignorance of the law is no defence.
Indeed, but if we start just jailing folk for stupidity this forum will be like a ghost town.
Well stupidity combined with a criminal activity. The first on its own does limited harm...
britain we dont jail people for serious crimes ...
Could make a killing on the open market.
Or you could join the prison service as a staff member, you get paid for that AND make £stacks on ya Trammies!
No brainer.
Very telling to see it's Rachel happy to see her banged up.
Competition in the marketplace, [b]allthegear[/b]?
Didn't know they were illegal there
They’re illegal here too (without a prescription)
Frankly she's got off lightly. The whole story is fishy.
^^ this, 3 years for her is a great result
Mother on law has literally 1000's. She's been on an automatic repeat prescription for years and has stopped taking them so they've just been stockpiling.
That’s just irresponsible.
Why doesn’t she cancel her prescription?
Bringing 300 of any tablet into a country would get my spidey sense tingling. More to this story I think.
Very glad to read she was convicted.
Glad for who ?
She has done wrong but crikey, I can't he!p feeling sorry for her. A bit. Three years loss of liberty is bad enough but the conditions she'll exist in are abhorrent. Why didn't she get a British boyfriend with a good back.
Mother on law has literally 1000's. She's been on an automatic repeat prescription for years and has stopped taking them so they've just been stockpiling.
Your MIL needs to get reassessed by her doctor! This sort of thing is costing the NHS a lot of money. Just in my own town it is estimated £1m was wasted this way this year. I realise some doctors don't get the time to do reassessments but that's no reason not to do the responsible thing and request one.
What has criminal intent got to do with it?
That’s a trick question, right?
Ignorance is no excuse, she got the tramadol a controlled drug only available on prescription from a 'friend', who had heard about her boyfriends back pain. So she acquired the Tramadol illegally in the UK and then took the tramadol to Egypt, where the medication is outlawed.
With a potential punishment of the death penalty, she got off lightly.
Bringing 300 of any tablet into a country would get my spidey sense tingling. More to this story I think.
I really don't think there is. She was smuggling drugs, and got caught. The only bit I'm not sure about is how much the government has intervened to get her sentence down.
perhaps her [url= https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1743609515318221 ]boy friend had other issues[/url] ? 😯 😉
Your MIL needs to get reassessed by her doctor!
Absolutely she does. Unfortunately according to the psych clipboard test she has mental capacity and refuses to see a doctor. According to any common sense measure (such as the fact she cannot even feed herself and requires 24 hour care) she does not have capacity and needs far better treatment than she is currently receiving.
Can you not phone the MIL's doctor and let them know they should cancel the prescription, not least for the potential for misuse ?
Similarly the wife's grandma stockpiled literally thousands of packets of Valium. We found them hidden all over her place when she died. Dread to think how common this is.
We haven’t heard much from the “boyfriend” have we ? Bad back my arse.
At best she is a naive drug mule, personally I think they have given her a short sentence to reflect the fact she appears to have been duped.
The UK authoritoes should pursue and prosecute who she got the tablets from. I strongly suspect they’ll turn out to be very dodgy indeed.
Yep who has 300 tablets of a class c prescription only drug available to give away to a friend?
Horrible drug. I was given 2 doses in hospital after spinal surgery and had terrifying hallucinations, and it didn't touch the pain.
dannybgoodes Mother in law.crankboy - Member
Yep who has 300 tablets of a class c prescription only drug available to give away to a friend?
. I realise some doctors don't get the time to do reassessments but that's no reason not to do the responsible thing and request one.
Is there no automatic system that alerts the NHS to endless repeat prescriptions without reassessment? It's dangerous to stockpile medicines at home, as well as a waste of money.
The scenarios where old folks end up with huge stockpiles of prescription drugs is probably far more common than people realise and a significant source of them on the streets.
An elderly relative ended up with a bin bag full of pain kit and anti depressants... what happened is their memory gradually deteriorated and they were forgetting to take their meds... so they would go to the doctors complaining that their pain etc was getting worse and then get prescribed ever stronger meds...
In their case we’ve got them care specifically to come on and remind them to take the now more moderate prescriptions.
What has criminal intent got to do with it?That’s a trick question, right?
Not really - intent doesn't have any bearing on whether a criminal act is criminal. What intent has a bearing on is sentencing.
Carry the pills into Egypt was a crime, but whether she either knew it was a crime or not is a factor in the punishment you'd set. Whether the action was her initiative is a factor too. If it was her idea thats one thing, if she was asked, tricked, coerced or forced to do it thats another.
Its quite possible she acted with entirely innocent intentions. Her boyfriend may well genuinely have a bad back, neither of them might have know the tablets were illegal in Egypt, just that they are unavailable, and its quite possible that her granny had stacks of tramadol sitting around just as in the examples above. She might have just kindly decided to take the tablets that someone didn't need and give them to some who did need them.
Yep who has 300 tablets of a class c prescription only drug available to give away to a friend?
Its available on prescription - as a patient you can receive all sorts of things on prescription whether they are 'prescription only' or not. If you asked for 300 tablets they'd probably be pretty hard to get. It seems they're easy to get by not asking for them though.
And the prescription only element is a bit of red herring in this case - people get into similar hot water passing through Dubai airport with packets of non-prescription Co-codomol - even for having co-codomol in their urine rather than their luggage..
And the prescription only element is a bit of red herring in this case - people get into similar hot water passing through Dubai airport with packets of non-prescription Co-codomol
Only similar levels of hot water if they've got 300 or so high strength pills, I would imagine.
I don't know what her intentions were, but it's pretty straightforward that she reportedly took fairly large quantities of an opiod into a country where it was banned and got caught, and is now doing time for it. Whilst I personally don't think prohibition is right (due to cases like this where the punishment causes far more harm than the "crime"), I find it hard to see how the UK government can argue this one without a huge quantity of hypocrisy.
I also find the news headlines somewhat misleading - mentioning only that she was caught with some painkillers sounds like she accidentally left a half used packet of co-codamol in her luggage. This is a long way from the truth.
Only similar levels of hot water if they've got 300 or so high strength pills, I would imagine.
not at all - [url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/southern_counties/4481621.stm ]4 years for tramadol and codine in their urine[/url]
Our media loves playing the "you can't lock them up, she's British don't you know" card in these cases. As if it's fine for British people travelling abroad to ignore local laws, do whatever they please and then expect the FCO to bail them out on the basis of some flimsy excuse when justice catches up with them. The comparison between that and how our press treats foreigners breaking laws in the UK underlines how inexplicably arrogant British people can be about this kind of thing.
Her boyfriend may well genuinely have a bad back, neither of them might have know the tablets were illegal in Egypt, just that they are unavailable
[url= https://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21648690-painkiller-becomes-egypts-favourite-recreational-drug-pill-work-and-play ]or they knew they had "street value".[/url]
vickypea - MemberHorrible drug. I was given 2 doses in hospital after spinal surgery and had terrifying hallucinations, and it didn't touch the pain.
Likewise, I boshed a whole strip of them in one go (about 16?) and had the most horrible nightmares.
Will stick to Dihydrocodeine in the future.
A few corrections needed in this thread i think...prescription only doesnt mean illegal to possess if you dont have a prescription....antibiotics are prescription only, nobody in the police is going to bat an eyelid that you've ordered a box of Amoxicillin on the internet without a prescription.
The only person breaking the law re. prescription meds is the person (or organisation) issuing them without prescribing rights...the person buying them or being in possession of them is doing nothing wrong....because they're not illegal drugs.
When i covered Police custody suites in a medical capacity i was asked to see a young lad they'd stopped on a driving charge, he came in with various meds and they wanted him assessed before interview.
They brought me his meds, some were over-the-counter, some were prescription only and one was a bottle of Anavar tablets (an anabolic steroid)...i pointed out to them that the Anavar was a steroid and they said they new, they also pointed out that because it wasnt counterfeit or from an underground lab it had to be considered a prescription medication as it does actually have a few genuine medical applications (tissue regrowth in burns victims i remember finding out afterwards)...and they would have to give it back to him when they released him!
The fact he didnt have a prescription for it is neither here nor there...its not illegal (i believe it is shedule-3 CD - like Tramadol) and so the only person having broken the law in the lad getting hold of Anavar was whoever sold it to him without prescribing rights.
Egypt is a funny place, Tramadol was over-the-counter there until recently...then people started taking the mick with it...huge addiction problems so they banned it...doesnt stop you buying steroids and other UK prescription meds OTC though...i was able to top up all 4 of my prescription only cardiac meds when i was out there for a fraction of the UK prescription charge...i also took prescription strength cocodamol (30/500) out with me when i went, no problem with customs but then it was in its original box clearly labelled with my name and i had my prescription with me to back it up.
But back to the topic of this woman, the Tramadol problem with Egypt has been in the news the last couple of years...she has an Egyptian boyfriend...i'm not buying that she didnt know the score.
.i was able to top up all 4 of my prescription only cardiac meds when i was out there for a fraction of the UK prescription charge...
You might find they only contain a fraction of the active ingredient as well.