[Closed] Is a cottage pie, a pie?

And what do you call it when it's made with venison?

#firstworldproblems

It is not a pie, but may be referred to as one.

Nope.

I have just tucked into a homemade turkey mince curry cottage pie thing topped with mashed sweet potato and butternut squash

Am I going to burnt at the stake?

........and so, after a brief period of uneasy peace, the great STW Pie Wars unexpectedly erupted into brutal hostilities.

Again.

Edit: I'm out - Battle fatigue - You win this battle Fidel Gastro but not ze War !

As has been discussed many times on here, its not a pie unless it is completely encased in pastry. Certainly none of this heresy from PP

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thisisnotaspoon - Member

And what do you call it when it's made with venison?

Cottage pie.

I believe I have some authority on the matter, and can safely say that if you wish to call something a pie, a pie it shall be. Nit-picking over the expansiveness of indigestible flour-based casing is a pastime reserved for bitter northerners.

A stew with a lid IS A PIE.

it really isn't.

So why is lamb special?

You've done it now....

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Oh yes it is!

It's the only pie I like, I can't have it taken away from me!

It's potatoes on mince. Not a pie.

And what do you call it when it's made with venison?

A disappointment.

So why is lamb special?

Because they are cute and fluffy.

Apple pie for dessert last night

A whole sharing-size pie eaten between me, a 5 year old and a 4 year old. Good finish to a good dinner!

I believe I have some authority on the matter, and can safely say that if you wish to call something a pie, a pie it shall be. Nit-picking over the expansiveness of indigestible flour-based casing is a pastime reserved for bitter northerners.

Right up the last word I was agreeing.

Stoner - Member

I believe I have some authority on the matter

Yeah! Stoner has a finger in every pie!

All nine pies.

A stew with a lid IS A PIE.

No, it's a stew with a hat. A terminally disappointing pie analogue for the taste-free, lazy and desperate.

I believe I have some authority on the matter

Unless your surname is Patak, you can FRO.

It's potatoes on mince. Not a pie.

I agree, but on the other hand, everyone knows exactly what is meant by fish, shepherd's or cottage pie.

Yeah they know that a fish pie is revolting.

Stoner - Member

I believe I have some authority

And R Kelly believes he can fly, yet neither are true.

What is true is that pies are encased with pastry, and R Kelly garners sexual gratification from urinating on children.

Pick your side Stoner,
PICK YOUR SIDE!!! 👿

ALERT: Spanner in works

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Are you going to try to stand by your assertion now, stoner?

A stew with a lid IS A PIE.

No it's a LIE. A Pie needs pastry on all sides, especially the bottom and sides with the top being the least important.

EDIT: wow a lot of posts in the 10 minutes between reading and posting...

It's a real pie as long as you put a real cottage in it.

A Pie needs pastry on all sides, especially the bottom and sides [b]with the top being the least important[/b].

Whoooah there, you're in danger of confusing your pies with your tarts, and you don't want to do that.

When you go to a pub and order a pie, you should be presented with this...

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the legendary cow pie in the George Hotel in Keswick, which I shall be parting in on Saturday night, and the pinnacle of the art form

Anything presented in a ceramic container is quite frankly justification for burning the premises down

^^^ Note the pastry on the sides.....

WAIT A MINUTE! 😯

Its part of an enormous pie which would have been fully pastry-encased. Whats important is the density. Note the solidity, even when unconstrained by pastry. The stuff that you get in ceramic bowls with a lid is effectively soup. And putting some puff pastry over a bowl off soup does not a pie make

Are you going to try to stand by your assertion now, stoner?

Stoner's Pie Law still stands - if it is called a pie, it is a pie.

Etymologically one might say that what Maccy D's have done there is made a fruit-based sausage roll. However, they want to call it a pie, so a pie it shall be.

Whats important is the density.

woah there. Are you changing the rules now you know you're losing the battle?

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That's a pie.

No rules are being changed. When this thing of beauty was cooked, it was cooked fully encased in pastry. This is a portion of said pie.

If you need a ladle to serve it, it can't be a pie, even with the token addition of a piece of puff pastry

R Kelly - Member

R Kelly's Law still stands - if it is called R Kelly, it is R Kelly.

Careful what you wish for... 💡

[b]PROPIEGANDA[/b]

prop-ie-gan-da

[prop-eye-gan-duh]

[i]noun [/i]

1.

information, ideas, or rumors deliberately spread widely by food based dictators to propagate the continued tyranny of pastry based hegemony

2.

the deliberate spreading of such information, rumors, etc.

😆

Stop oppressing me Fidel!

binners - Member

If you need a ladle to serve it, it can't be a pie, even with the token addition of a piece of puff pastry

Absolutely.
Pie-buts exist because you can slap buttered bread above and below a pie.
One cannot achieve this with a soupy, hatted abomination.

#alternativetruth

Bottom crust
Top crust
Two crust

All pies

Cream pie being the obvious acception 😯

Stoner's Pie Law still stands - if it is called a pie, it is a pie.

You could not be more wrong. You could try to be more wrong, but you would not be successful.

Bottom crust
Top crust
Two crust

Flan.
Stew.
Pie.

I would also argue that cottage/shepherd's pie is what kicked off this trend for serving perfectly good food in towers. They're essentially a nice potato and mince dinner stacked up and made somehow less tasty. While I'll accept their name for the sake of clarity they aren't pies to me.

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One assumes that a decent pie could be fashioned from a cottage pie in the style of the butter pie. One simply needs to encase said Cottage Pie into a Pie thus making it a pie?

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The, probably not very tasty, answer to your query lesgrandepotato.

ransos - Member
It's potatoes on mince. Not a pie.
I agree, but on the other hand, everyone knows exactly what is meant by fish, shepherd's or cottage pie.

Apart from Americans - who make shepherds pie with beef. Not shepherds

Sorry, I appear to have opened up some old wounds with this one. My own personal crisis has been averted though; came home to find wife has bought a proper steak pie.

Apart from Americans - who make shepherds pie with beef. Not shepherds

WTAF?

came home to find wife has bought a proper steak pie.

A proper steak pie?

........or some pastry encased imposter?

Given the name of the OP, I think we're being trolled.

MrPottatoHead - Member

Are you saying mrpotatohead is a cottager?

joshvegas - Member

Are you saying mrpotatohead is a cottager?

Cottager pie requires some combination of mince and pork.

Cottager pie requires some combination of mince and pork.

Pork is best with a bit of jelly, don't you think?

if

you wish to call something a pie, a pie it shall be

Works for one of the coffee shops in Reading that advertise sausage rolls as sausage pies.

Twots :/

Bloody Southerners.

I bet they're actually labelled artisan sausage pies, aren't they?

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Well it is fully encased.

Post truth pies or alternative representation of pies?

Having just downed a rather delicious yesterday's leftover 'pie', I couldn't care less, it tasted wonderful.

A true pie can be lifted from its container and thrown, bursting on impact, with no risk to the thrower. It therefore needs to be fully encased.

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Fig 2. Clowns

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As I said last time.

http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/oi-binners-what-have-you-started/page/4#post-7565463

[i]I think we can make an exception to names of pies that aren't defined by their ingredients. That is to say, a pork pie is a pie with pork in it. A shepherd's pie does not contain shepherds, and similarly a cottage pie generally does not contain cottages.

Ie, "shepherd's pie" is the full name of a dish that is not actually a pie, in the same way that an Eccles cake is not actually a cake. See also, beef wellington.[/i]

And before that, http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/pie-definitions-pleae/page/2#post-5600301

[i]It's really quite simple.

Can you pick it up in your hands and carry it to your mouth? If you cannot (for any reason other than "it's a really big one") then it is not, by any sensible definition, a pie. A pie is self-sustaining and stands alone, proud. It does not require third party support from some party-sized casserole dish.

"Cottage pie" and their ilk get special exemption from this definition as they are not "pies" of a "cottage" type, but rather "cottage pie" is its full name. It does not, after all, actually contain cottages(*). It's a bit like the "slow worm" which, despite its name, is not actually a worm (or a snake either for that matter).

(* - Except when served in East Lancashire football stadiums, perhaps)[/i]

if it is called a pie, it is a pie.

this, cooked in a pie dish? It's a pie.

On the basis that national pie day was created by the American pie council as a marketing tool, I'm out.

National pie day should celebrate the day a war was started over a lattice top, or something

National pie day should celebrate the day a war was started over a lattice top, or something

It should celebrate when a war was [i]ended[/i] surely, and the soup-with-a-lid brigade have been summarily dealt with.

Possibly, hence the 'or something' 😉

I thought that our American colleagues celebrated Pi day on 14th March.

Anyway

Cottage pie is a pie in exactly the same sense that a Bombay Duck flies.

I think we're glossing over the fact that it's only National Pie Day in America, with good ol' British Pie Week being March 6th-12th.

They get a day, we get a week.

Makes you think.

Awesome. I get pie another day, for a week.

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I think we're glossing over the fact that it's only National Pie Day in America, with good ol' British Pie Week being March 6th-12th.

World Series Pie Day.

Sadly being forced to watch Our in the Sky

IMHO meat based pie =full pastry jacket
except cottage and shepherd mash lid is acceptable
fruit based pies top and bottom only required therefore the little Mr Kipling abominations should only be given in emergencies 👿

Stoner's Pie Law still stands - if it is called a pie, it is a pie

I've always laboured under the apprehension that 'Shepherds Pie and 'Cottage Pie' were fashioned in olden times by folk without the means and resources to make [I]actual pies[/I] and are therefore hollow facsimiles of the true, self supporting, fully encased real article, in the same way that a Vauxhall Corsa with dropped suspension and a body kit is not a Porshe Carrera 911.

I just don't understand how people can be so unaware of the true nature of these things.

I blame marketing.

Boi! Ah bin making pie! Extra whet! Just like pretty lil'binners likes it.

Oh look 'ere sugar! there aint no pastry on its ass!
Dont care. Still a pie!

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IHN - Member
Yeah they know that a fish pie is revolting.

You're doing it wrong then. Fish pie or fisherman's pie - flippin lovely.