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jambalaya: many of the nice Android handsets have HDMI-out on them so don't need a separate set-top box at all.
So you can use it like one of those really old Betamax recorders with the wired 'remote' control? 🙄
I don't particularly like the menu etc on the iphone's- I kinda hoped Apple may change things. Neither the Iphone or S3 are/were as intuitive as my old 9700 Blackberry.
What is not intuitive about a grid of icons that start apps when you press them? Where did you honestly struggle with that?
How intuitive is the Blackberry interface in comparison?
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Which of the four envelopes there do I press for email?
I'm used to the unintuitive system of having one icon that says "Mail" under it 😉
You can remove icons very quickly from the screen
The central dongle (mouse) button can be rocked fwd up, side or down to open a new text etc in one swift move. The keyboard was great however Blackberry seem to have been left behind- Their subsequent models to the 9700 just aren't any good (the issues haven't been addressed from earlier models).
GrahamS - MemberThe notable difference is the solutions to the Apple threads don't involve rooting it, flashing custom rom, using a different bootloader, installing task killers...
If somebody has an Android phone that requires any of the above to get it working properly then they have a duff phone and should return it.
Rooting, Jailbreaking, Flashing etc are all great if you're that way inclined, i've seen some stunning custom ROMs running on Android handsets....but really since version 2,1 (we've since had 2.2 Froyo, 2.3 Gingerbread, 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich and now 4.1 Jellybean) the OS has been stable and has a level of customisation making rooting obsolete for casual users.
If you cant get a current Android handset to do something you want it to do then i'd suggest (user error aside obviously) that what you're asking isnt yet possible on a phone, they're that good at the moment.
They have taken all the simple functionality of iOS and run with the idea of what an OS can do, multiple home screens, live/real time widgets, scrolling notifications, the beginning of emails, texts etc showing on the lock screen when you pick the phone up so you dont have to unlock the phone to see who just emailed/texted/called etc, instant compatibility with most PCs without being tied to iTunes or other proprietary software, genuine multitasking (see the Galaxy S3's screen within a screen for the most impressive demonstration of this)....battery life was a problem with early Android phones, the OS is more of a drain than iOS....because it does more obviously.
More efficient chipsets and bigger batteries have largely solved the problem, lets not get carried away now and hold the iPhone up as a shining example of battery life....its about on a par with the Galaxy S3 at the moment and some way behind the current batch of Motorola devices touting huge batteries....recent tests from various tech sites say it's a small amount better than the 4S was with it's battery....that's on current 3G and WiFi technology, wait until 4G is switched on and watch the battery life drain much faster, eventually Apple are going to have to start making bigger handsets for the batteries that 4G requires.
Task killers are a hang over from early Android, since 2.3 (in 2010) the stock OS has the feature to see whats running and stop tasks/Apps as the user sees fit....outdated comments like stating Android devices need task killers would be like me criticising the iPhone for not having a flash or being able to record video....but that was back on the 3G version, times change and OS move on.
I have a mate who swears by Apple, has the laptop, the phones etc...i have used all of his devices since he got a 3G back in 2008, they are good phones....the design of the 4,4S and 5 is superb....but i keep replacing my own handset with Android (Hero, Desire HD, Nexus-S and One-S) because they do everything his phone does and more.....and they're cheaper, at one point his 3Gs (i think?) was £40+ per month on O2, this strikes me as faintly ridiculous, my current phone was free with a £27 monthly bill (unlimited data too) with my network wanting £34 per month and an up front fee to get the iPhone-5....
....i will happily pay a premium for a product that is the best or has certain unique features, the iPhone did....in 2008.
Everybody else has caught up and the price being paid is now for the kudos of simply owning the device rather than what is is capable of, it has become a fashion item which i think is a bit sad.
There was a joke on-line a while a go which went:
Q. How do you know if somebody has an iPhone?
A. They'll tell you.
The gist being that somebody with this device is often such a try-hard that they will start a conversation by referencing their phone....you know, to show how cool they are.
What was once the leftfield choice of hipsters around the world is now abut as mainstream as white goods get...is that irony, i dont know i'm obviously not cool enough?!
My current HTC One-S is a glass and metal build, has a sensible sized screen and weighs about the same as the new iPhone, it also has chip architecture more advanced than the new iPhone (more efficient 28nm process as opposed to 32nm in the iPhone), is currently on 38% battery remaining after 29hrs - it gives me genuine 2 day use....and was released 6 months ago....if it was an Apple device i dread to think of the mass hysteria it would've generated.
The gist being that somebody with this device is often such a try-hard that they will start a conversation by referencing their phone....you know, to show how cool they are.
Really, I always mention my job, car or the fact I have an enormous c0ck (to the girls only of course), never the phone 🙂
If you really want to guage what is 'cool' in the mobile market- walk into any large Chinese restaurant at Dim Sum time and see what phones are sat on the tables next to each persons bowl..
Jambalaya, try harder you're letting the side down!
Really, I always mention my job, car or the fact I have an enormous c0ck (to the girls only of course), never the phone
Surely if you just put your iphone 5 on the table it'd provide that message to them for you, you wouldn't have to waste your breath? 😉
[b]Hora in not finding a specific product to live up to his expectations shocka[/b]
If you really want to [s]guage what is 'cool' in the mobile market[/s] have your hands cut off by the triads - walk into any large Chinese restaurant at Dim Sum time and [s]see[/s] steal what phones are sat on the tables next to each persons bowl..
it has become a fashion item which i think is a bit sad.
No, it hasn't.
My current HTC One-S is a glass and metal build, has a sensible sized screen and weighs about the same as the new iPhone, it also has chip architecture more advanced than the new iPhone (more efficient 28nm process as opposed to 32nm in the iPhone), is currently on 38% battery remaining after 29hrs - it gives me genuine 2 day use....and was released 6 months ago
That sounds a bit try-hard if we're honest, doesn't it?
Not impressed? Don't buy one then. I'm not impressed with maddona, britains got talent, pizza hut or john smiths beer so I don't consume their products, watch the program or patronise their restaurants, it's not a hard decision to make as a consumer but I guess for some people everything has to be made into some kind of ordeal or life-crisis.
Not impressed? Don't buy one then. I'm not impressed with maddona, britains got talent, pizza hut or john smiths beer so I don't consume their products, watch the program or patronise their restaurants, it's not a hard decision to make as a consumer but I guess for some people everything has to be made into some kind of ordeal or life-crisis.
BUT PEOPLE MUST KNOW ABOUT THE PRODUCTS I DO NOT LIKE!
binners - Member
Hora in not finding a specific product to live up to his expectations shocka
Yeah i thought that!
Hora if you want to be pleasantly surprised then get one of the cheap to mid range HTCs....the Wildfire-S, the new Desires (Desire-S, Desire-C and Desire-x) and all will give you the essential smart phone functions of email, media, sat-nav, WiFi, etc with screens less than 4 inches and better battery life than the quad-core mega screened flagships out there....they are the smart choice for people who want to take the thing off charge in the morning and forget about it....no top up charge needed, no need to toggle functions off to preserve battery life.
DeadlyDarcy....just demonstrating what is out there if people take their Apple blinkers off.
just demonstrating what is out there if people take their Apple blinkers off.
No you're not. You're insulting a whole raft of people, all of whom have varied reasons for why they might choose to use an iPhone. I would have thought there were enough Android v iOS threads at this stage where posters may have grown out of simply insulting people for their choice of phone. It seems, from this thread, not, sadly.
deviant said: *blah bah blah blah*
You are the Fandroid CountZero and I claim my five pounds 😀
You make the common mistake that people who like iOS are somehow blinkered, unaware that other devices offer other benefits, or fashion sheep.
I'm none of those.
I'm tech savvy. Have a tech job. I understand very well the benefits and limitations of iOS and Android. And I'm [i]really[/i] not interested in being cool or fashionable.
Your argument seems to be [i]"people only buy iPhones because they are cool. They are idiots. And iPhones aren't cool, they are mainstream. Androids are cool. They should buy those"[/i] 😕
I could answer your points one by one but I can't be bothered with yet another Android vs iOS spaffest - suffice to say I think you're wrong on most of them. 😀
they are the smart choice for people who want to take the thing off charge in the morning and forget about it....no top up charge needed, no need to toggle functions off to preserve battery life.
Took my iPhone (4) off charge this morning. Used it to track my commute on Endomondo; took a couple of calls, played a couple of games and listened to some music; it's at 68% and I will shortly use it to track my commute home. No top up charge or toggling functions required, despite its age.
Not impressed? Don't buy one then. I'm not impressed with maddona, britains got talent, pizza hut or john smiths beer so I don't consume their products, watch the program or patronise their restaurants, it's not a hard decision to make as a consumer but I guess for some people everything has to be made into some kind of ordeal or life-crisis.
I'm confused. I had one of two products in mind to chose from.
When did I ever consider Madonna or Britains got Talent. Get a better analogy (or stop being a STW negative stalker).
If you post up a topic on a forum its for discussion otherwise using your rationale unless a topic is asking for advice all are attention seeking?
Binners, I went to Ken's in Chorlton- ta. 13quid, to sort the wheel. They started offering me DH wheel as a replacement as they said the wheel was abit 'used' 😆
uh oh deviants in trouble hes - slagged off the latest iphone on middleclasstrackworld !!!!!!!
slagged off the latest iphone
I couldn't give a rat's arse whether he's slagged off the phone. It's slagging off the users that gets a bit tiresome.
uh oh deviants in trouble hes - slagged off the latest iphone on middleclasstrackworld !!!!!!!
Not really, Komrade Kimbers. It's more, as usual, someone has said that the only reason people are buying an iPhone is because it matches their earrings. This is not always the case, and it's only fair people can say this.
I couldn't give a rat's arse whether he's slagged off the phone. It's slagging off the users that gets a bit tiresome.
Alot of porn seems to feature iphone's (so I'm told).
It's slagging off the users that gets a bit tiresome.
This!
My phone has faults. I don't 😀
Alot of porn seems to feature iphone's (so I'm told).
You must have rather different specialist tastes to me hora.
It's not even like the vibrate function on the iPhone is very strong... 😯
However, I do suspect iPhones are a big reason why certain "video-based sites" no longer require flash 😀
Hora - Ken F's talked me into a more ...ahem... 'substantial' rim for a gentleman of my proportions, after I totally pringled a brand new XC717 😀
😯Alot of porn seems to feature iphone's (so I'm told).
😆
Come off it you lot, he insulted people that buy iPhones to show other people how cool they are.
He didn't insult everyone who buys iPhones.
I'm confused. I had one of two products in mind to chose from.When did I ever consider Madonna or Britains got Talent. Get a better analogy (or stop being a STW negative stalker).
If you post up a topic on a forum its for discussion otherwise using your rationale unless a topic is asking for advice all are attention seeking?
Read your OP. I mentions nothing about looking for a new phone and the choices out there or advice re phone choice, such as ' I looked at the new Jesus phone and not impressed, anyone tried the xyz?'
Who suggested YOU were using those analogies? They were my examples of consumer choice.
Who mentioned attention seeking? It wasn't me? Are you an attention seeker? Maybe a qualified health professional can help?
Jamie - Member
Not really, Komrade Kimbers. It's more, as usual, someone has said that the only reason people are buying an iPhone is because it matches their earrings. This is not always the case, and it's only fair people can say this.
really? he seems to have written several well thought out paragraphs weighing the pros and cons of android vs iphone overall in favour of android
and 1 line stated that people are swayed by image
and all of a sudden fanboys are feeling persecuted!
it is after all just a phone
Read your OP
Yes it says any[b][u]one[/u][/b] not anything else. I wasn't asking for suggestions on phones just opinions from people who've experience the iPhone5.
I also went on to state my choice had been down to the Iphone5 or S3. Nothing else.
I don't go on your topics posting negativity do I? You have a choice, I imagine you'd avoid my topics if it irks you so.
Internet forums are not worth getting "irked" about.
I didn't read the middle 2 pages, did I miss anything?
My post would still be useful to those who have trouble making purchasing decisions, maybe not helpful to those who lack scruples but I certainly wouldn't call it 'negative'
FWIW buy a 2nd hand 4 and get a sim only deal, you will save £££'s but lack a bit of credibility when you order your dim sum.
it is after all just a phone
[b]WHAT?!!!![/b]
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and all of a sudden fanboys are feeling persecuted!
Poor effort. Joining in too. Re-read the posts.
Haven't you all got Jobs to go to? 😉
I like these threads 😉
£500 for a phone? Why, I could but a Dura Ace Di2 rear mech for that! Bargain.
Dura Ace Di2
Don't you start...! 😉
Or Mazz 55 RC3's! Well most of them..£500 for a phone?
Haven't you all got Jobs to go to?
We did. Then he died 😥
Edit: Just noticed capitalisation. Very well played, Sir.
Haven't you all got Jobs to go to?
No, we lost our Jobs 🙁
Now we've just got some Cook.
Why, I could but a Dura Ace Di2 rear mech for that! Bargain.
Can you get Flash on that?
Funny play on radio 4 about the I-hole
Can you get Flash on that?
I'd very happily be on Di2, Graham! 😉
and run with the idea of what an OS can do, multiple home screens, live/real time widgets, scrolling notifications
^ This
Deeply unappealing.
When people decribe Android phone I just get an impresion of Google techies pebble dashing a house with features and then a Samsung/HTC painting it garishly and sticking a load of plastic facias over the top.
iPhones being more analogous to lovely minimal design crafted by an architect, doing all of the same stuff but in a less flashy way, all neatly hidden from the observer but just there when you need it. Working flawlessly.
You pays your money, you takes your choice.
scuzz - Member
Come off it you lot, he insulted people that buy iPhones to show other people how cool they are.He didn't insult everyone who buys iPhones.
Exactly, and i also said the iPhone is a good phone, the form factor of the 4, 4S and 5 cannot be rivaled in my opinion.
What becomes tedious is the outdated criticism of early Android versions and the ramming down our throats that Apple products 'just work' when patently they come with just as many faults (especially when newly launched) as any other product.
The casual user is fine, they've made a choice to enjoy iOS and an iPhone....the hordes who queue for days and are then cheered into the shop and applauded as they leave are fully deserving of any mickey taking thrown their way.
Not once have i said Android is cool, far from it...its a bit techy which is inherently geeky and....well, its just a phone.
What i bite at again and again is the general belief that the iPhone is the only phone capable of being a smart phone....i get my phone out at work and somebody will invariably ask why i havent got an iPhone....if i give it to them to have a play with they seem genuinely shocked that it 'just works' and does the same things as their iPhone....this is obviously not the fault of the individual but rather the success of Apple's advertising and a measure of just how far ahead the original iPhone was that it can still trade on its reputation.
However my favourite in the lead up to the launch of the new iPhone was of course the result of this survey:
[i]Over a third (36 per cent) of consumers will buy an iPhone 5 because they feel Apple make the best smartphones, while nearly one in five (20 per cent) believe Apple’s latest phone will improve their social status.[/i]
Source: http://www.crowdedbrain.co.uk/mobile-pda/40-of-smartphone-users-plan-to-buy-the-new-iphone-5.html
The 1 in 5 who believe that owning the new iPhone 5 will improve their social standing need to be mocked mercilessly for they are pitiful creatures.
That is why i often come across as anti iPhone!
It's all going to be about Win 8 Mobile....srsly.
If it doesn't immediately sync everything with my Mac Pro and My Macbook, then it can **** right off, is my criteria for a phone
When people decribe Android phone I just get an impresion of Google techies pebble dashing a house with features and then a Samsung/HTC painting it garishly and sticking a load of plastic facias over the top.iPhones being more analogous to lovely minimal design crafted by an architect, doing all of the same stuff but in a less flashy way, all neatly hidden from the observer but just there when you need it. Working flawlessly.
You pays your money, you takes your choice.
This is where I am, very good summary. I live in a nice victorian semi, but I've no inclanation to pebble dash it and paint it orange.
Not once have i said Android is cool, far from it..
You complained that the iPhone [i]"was once the leftfield choice of hipsters around the world is now abut as mainstream as white goods get..."
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Implying that Android is now the non-mainstream leftfield edgy cool choice.
(it's not. And neither was iPhone before it. They are all nice devices but mass-produced mobile phones from huge corporations are about as far from leftfield edgy and cool as you can get IMO)
The 1 in 5 who believe that owning the new iPhone 5 will improve their social standing need to be mocked mercilessly for they are pitiful creatures.
I completely agree - but I don't believe that statistic in the slightest.
It bears no absolutely no resemblance to any behaviour I see within in my peer group.
If one of my mates announced he'd camped outside an Apple store he'd be quite rightly slagged rotten about it for years.
Exactly
Oh right, I see. Nice that someone came up with that one for you. Perhaps you need to work on your communications skills then, because that was not how you were coming across.
The 1 in 5 who believe that owning the new iPhone 5 will improve their social standing need to be mocked mercilessly for they are pitiful creatures.
Really? Why would you feel the need to mock people "mercilessly" for their choices? Because they're not the reasons [i]you[/i] would buy a phone? Is it to reinforce your own reasons? Surely you must be quite secure in the strength of your buying decisions. Why not just let people make their choices and let them be?
Oh right, I see. Nice that someone came up with that one for you. Perhaps you need to work on your communications skills then, because that was not how you were coming across.
I'm flattered that you feel I have better comprehension skills than you, but if he really had poor communication skills, how would I have been able to elaborate on his original point?
deadlydarcy, do you feel one's choice of phone can elevate one's social status?
Graham-S....you are implying for me, i didnt say that, you are drawing your own conclusions....its a phone OS, its not cool....not iOS nor Android.
Darcy....the vacuous belief that toting an iPhone will improve ones social status is fair reason for mockery....others may of course disagree, they would be wrong however.
What have we learned in this thread then?....all phones come with problems and some people prefer one OS to the other....glad we got that sorted.
(Jamie, Windows-8 for mobiles does indeed look good....if it can be coupled with Nokia's legendary reputation for build quality, reliability, battery life etc then it should succeed as an OS....seriously considering one when my contract ends in December)
What have we learned in this thread then?....
Erm...?
Graham-S....you are implying for me, i didnt say tha
Fair enough.
When someone says to me "don't buy that, it's not cool" I tend to think they are implying what they have [i]is[/i] "cool" - but you're right, that was my own implication, not yours. Apologies.
Nokia's legendary reputation for build quality, reliability, battery life etc
You never owned an N95 then.
[i]£500 for a phone? Why, I could but a Dura Ace Di2 rear mech for that! Bargain.[/i]
It's not all about 'I've bought this so I can't buy that' you know, some of us can do both.
Willy waving over spending power is what that ^^ is.
Pebble so can I. Mind you itd mean no food, meade, Woman nor song for a month.
N95? I had the latest Nokia for one week 2years ago. It went back. Apallingly counter intuitive thing. N8?
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I love sniffpetrol, havent had a nosey on there in ages....cheers!
Loved the anti-moped campaign they did a few years ago....actually had me laughing out loud at work like some kind of mentalist.
When people decribe Android phone I just get an impresion of Google techies pebble dashing a house with features and then a Samsung/HTC painting it garishly and sticking a load of plastic facias over the top.iPhones being more analogous to lovely minimal design crafted by an architect,
Absolute LOLZ. Android is very well thought out indeed under the covers, very smart piece of system design.
Google are bloody clever.
Haha, you losers. I struggle with long sentences.
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FTW
having had a quick fiddle with an almighty incredible iphone5, It seems like a nicely built bit of kit, but not something I could leave in the pub or smash on a ride, it'd be too valuable an allday tool to be in my hands! I have little experience of smartphones, but the culture of status and desire that seems to emanate around these things (and they are just things) really puts me off. and I'm constantly skint and I don't want something I can't afford.
[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/mods-can-you-fix-the-new-page-glitch-please ]*glitchy bump*[/url]
I'm constantly skint and I don't want something I can't afford.
Seems like a pretty good reason it to get one then, particularly if you intend leaving it in the pub or smashing it
It is a reason not to buy one or get involved in the expensive smartphone culture Graham. If I had an Iphone5, I'd have to have a seperate phone for pretty much everyday duties as I think I would be wandering around with something far too expensive in my pocket. call that paranoia, but have you ever been mugged in Hackney? I have twice, for really shit phones. Phones become less valuable when someone wants to stab you for it. It's just a thing.
Made a promise to my mates that I would only buy a new phone when my current Nokia 5140 died. That was 2004 ish I think. Bloody thing just won't die. I love this phone.
Not keen on the lack of imagination and design of the Iphone 5, nor am i impressed that it costs a bomb. However, as a Ipod touch owner till it broke due to rain and using a Android phone LG Optimus 2X (LG's version of the Galaxy S2), i want a device for music and phone calls etc. So from a music quality perspective, which would be the better device the Galaxy S3 or Iphone 5.
Must admit my LG is piss poor quality for music and when my Ipod touch worked it had fantastic quality sound. Both used with Sennheiser CX300 earphones.
It is a reason not to buy one or get involved in the expensive smartphone culture Graham.
Yeah I was agreeing with you!
My piss poor typing let me down: [i]"Seems like a pretty good reason it to get one then" [/i]was supposed to read [i]"Seems like a pretty good reason NOT to get one then"[/i]
isn't it better to use the phone you have until the very end of it's useful life or buy a 2nd hand one? than to buy one brand new just cos you can and want to cos you've been brainwashed into wanting one? These things pile up massively in landfills once their battery life is over. some people send 'em off to africa, I don't know. I'm not into this culture of upgradeitis. Nobody seems to be ****ing over the meaning of these things rather more the incredible, amazing technical specs 😉
I'm old enough to know how quickly easily bought computers become defunct and aren't the latest thing! This is the same!
don't stress Graham, it's just the internets and I'm a bitter man. I just wish I could afford apple stuff.
kevevs this is stw! its basicaly a temple dedicated to shiny things we dont need and youre on an iphone thread!
i dont think youll be convincing anyone to give up unadulterated consumerism
ahh well, I do like leffe though. so I do splash out.
My G3 ibook has Toshiba at its heart. Its hard drive.
Re upgrading computers. Computers arent gadgets. Gadgets are a mans best friend and need to be upgraded 8)
Africa? Dont focus in the bad news stories. Its a massive continent not a country. Beautiful and varied. The BBC seems stuck on portraying it as full of savages.
kevevs this is stw! its basicaly a temple dedicated to shiny things we dont need and youre on an iphone thread!i dont think youll be convincing anyone to give up unadulterated consumerism
Oh, Kimbers! Don't ever change!
*covets shiny things*
Africa? Dont focus in the bad news stories. Its a massive continent not a country. Beautiful and varied. The BBC seems stuck on portraying it as full of savages.
You too, Hora. You crazy diamond.
(Jamie, Windows-8 for mobiles does indeed look good....if it can be coupled with Nokia's legendary reputation for build quality, reliability, battery life etc then it should succeed as an OS....seriously considering one when my contract ends in December)
Missed this first time around, but I am also keeping an eye on the Lumia 920 and HTC 8x. I am on a iPhone 4 sim free, so will be quite easy to switch.
....well, apart from saying goodbye to about £80 of apps 😐
Some people like Oranges ,some people like Apples(pun intended) personally I like Bananas hence I have a Nokia Lumia 800(windows phone)
Does what I want it too,has been utterly reliable(unlike the HTC hero it replaced)and is still a good size for pocketability and has a very good screen.
Just had a look at one as a potential upgrade from a 4.
Extra row of icons, panorama camera, better Siri (than 4s)
Poorer plasticky build quality - a bit MEH tbh
The new connector looks nice though. Reckon I'll wait for 5s or 6
I think iOS 6 gives the 4s the Siri improvements and possibly the panoramic camera.
Samsung S3 is a bit of [url=
junk[/url]. It has little residual value and is as [url= http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/25/3403928/samsung-touchwiz-reset-vulnerability ]secure[/url] as tying your bike up with a piece of string. The iPhone isn't the second coming, but really the Samsung S-whatever is not in the same ballpark!
Poorer plasticky build quality - a bit MEH tbh
Quite a achievement from apple there; make a phone constructed almost entirely from aluminium and glass feel 'plasticy'. If true, disapointing.
Quite a achievement from apple there; make a phone constructed almost entirely from aluminium and glass feel 'plasticy'. If true, disapointing.
Maybe due to the lighter feel, but the sales guy showed me a couple of dents in the Ali edges, where it had been dropped on the desk. He was less than impressed with it, which is a little damning, considering its his job to sell them. Of course, there maybe better margins on other smart phones, and so he may be less incentivised than he could be, but it was a stark contrast to how the same sales guy was when I upgraded from a 3 to a 4.
Residual value?! Its a phone not a buy to leg.