[Closed] iOS 6 - No more Street View. Booo!!!

Just set mine up - great bit of kit is my in depth review! Anyone know of any decent cases knocking about?

Nothing worse than a reverse fanboy

Really? I'd say this can all only be described as really quite sad, so much hysteria over a slight update/downgrade to a mobile phone, I mean, look at it, something is wrong with the world. Apologies if you are one of those in the picture

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Really? I'd say this can all only be described as really quite sad, so much hysteria over a slight update/downgrade to a mobile phone, I mean, look at it, something is wrong with the world. Apologies if you are one of those in the picture

You just hate seeing some people that are happy, don't you misery guts?
😛

Really? I'd say this can all only be described as really quite sad, so much hysteria over a slight update/downgrade to a mobile phone, I mean, look at it, something is wrong with the world. Apologies if you are one of those in the picture

You just hate seeing some people that are happy, don't you misery guts?
😛

No Streetview, not upgrading... Love Streetview, use it all the time.

Bigjim....the pictures of Apple employees clapping customers entering the shop and the crowd cheering people leaving with the phone are pitiful.
It is now a fashion accessory for try-hards unfortunately, shame as its quite a good phone.
In one survey I read that 20% of those surveyed felt that owning the new iPhone would improve their social standing...Jesus wept, there really are some sad and vacuous people around.

Just found this: http://www.viewstreetnoflash.com/

Works fine on pad.

Just been playing with the Live Street View app. Might be another useful solution for those missing it.

http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/live-street-view-free/id493861593?mt=8

Something for any web programmers to be aware of:

[url= http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12506897/is-safari-on-ios-6-caching-ajax-results ]http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12506897/is-safari-on-ios-6-caching-ajax-results[/url]

That is utterly, utterly stupid of them.

For everyone who is bemoaning the loss of Google Maps in iOS6, there's a startlingly simple answer;
Tap maps.google.com into your browser, then tap the little box with an arrow and save to your homepage.
Et voila, Google Maps.

Countzero, I have done this. When you open Gmaps it states that it doesn't have permission to use your location . Can't allow it in the Settings as its not an app , only a shortcut .
Just fixed it 🙂 don't miss street view much to be honest.

How to you get to street view on google maps?

For everyone who is bemoaning the loss of Google Maps in iOS6, there's a startlingly simple answer;
Tap maps.google.com into your browser, then tap the little box with an arrow and save to your homepage.
Et voila, Google Maps.

If only someone had[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/ios-6-no-more-street-view-booo/page/3?replies=171#post-4192609 ] posted[/url] that a few days ago, sadly it doesn't allow street view.

No matter as Google is releasing their app before Xmas.

How to you get to street view on google maps?

Answered earlier in the thread. Press the little orange man.

I don't see a little orange man where I should see on. I have used google maps before you know but when I view on my iPhone there's no wee orange man.

I don't see a little orange man where I should see on. I have used google maps before you know but when I view on my iPhone there's no wee orange man.

From page one of the thread:

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ios7bumpyblitch

but when I view on my iPhone there's no wee orange man

I don't see one either and yes there's street view for it, there's hardly any places that don't.

The mobile version of Google Maps does not have Street View either.

That'll be why I can't see it then.

That'll be why I can't see it then.

Yes, but the Google Maps [u]app[/u] on the iPhone (i.e. the built-in Maps app prior to iOS 6) DOES have Street View and the little orange man, as pictured above.

Google has no plans to create a Maps app for iOS6

[url= http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/25/google_maps_on_ios6/ ]http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/25/google_maps_on_ios6/[/url]

Eric Schmidt from that article: [i]"We think it would have been better if they had kept ours. But what do I know? What were we going to do, force them not to change their mind? It’s their call."[/i]

Yeah very good Eric. Perhaps if you'd offered Apple any of the enhancements you made to the Android app (e.g. turn-by-turn directions) then they wouldn't have been forced to use a different source.

GrahamS - Member
Eric Schmidt from that article: "We think it would have been better if they had kept ours. But what do I know? What were we going to do, force them not to change their mind? It’s their call."

Yeah very good Eric. Perhaps if you'd offered Apple any of the enhancements you made to the Android app (e.g. turn-by-turn directions) then they wouldn't have been forced to use a different source.

And why would he hand over one of Google/Android's trump cards when Apple seems hell bent on suing any handset maker running the Android OS?
I reckon if Apple hadnt been so litigious in the last couple of years and asked nicely (paid a small premium) then iOS users would've ended up with turn by turn sat-nav from Google Maps on their shiny new iPhones.

Anyway, this is good news....it further differentiates the two OS's and introduces healthy competition, the winners as always are the customers who can look forward to superb mapping services from both companies in the future.

And all the Google Maps APIs are open and free to use. Anyone can make an unofficial googlemaps app with the same or even more functionality (subject to Apple allowing it in the App Store). In fact a 3rd party can even add in extra maps too (OS, OSM, ...).

If Microsoft stepped up to the plate with a Bing maps app Google would soon change their tune.

As its is they have a near monopoly on online mapping so can do what the hell they like.

But they have a very fragile position in mobile OS. Sure they have a large market share lead because Android is currenlty the only non proprietary OS available, but fragmented hardware and very little brand loyalty mean they could easily lose market share. Either Microsoft or a resurgent blackberry could make a huge dent on Android if those systems become the hardware makers go to choice of software.

So they are using their dominant position in mapping as a tool to offer a point of advantage to try to gain "Android users" as opposed to their current base of people who just have an andorid phone as that is what the manufacturer installed.

Stopping iOS using turn by turn navigation was just a tool to force Apple's hand earlier than they knew Apple could cope with.

But if they start to lose add revenue due to less map searches being made they will soon come crawling back to Apple with an app as they can't risk losing share in their core business.

And all the Google Maps APIs are open and free to use.

How did they actually mess up these maps so badly anyway? isn't it all Tomtom data (which has worked fine in TomTom)? Is it because they've tried to make them 3d and stuffed it up?

And why would he hand over one of Google/Android's trump cards

I don't blame him for wanting to keeps that trump card - but it's a little disingenuous to then claim he has no idea why Apple wouldn't want to use them any more.

I reckon if Apple hadnt been so litigious in the last couple of years and asked nicely (paid a small premium) then iOS users would've ended up with turn by turn sat-nav from Google Maps on their shiny new iPhones.

Hmm.. firstly, all the manufacturers are suing each other. The Apple vs Samsung one made big press, because it was Apple, but the patent wars are rife:

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Secondly, Apple already paid Google a "small premium" to supply Maps and YouTube on iOS (before Android was born).

Thirdly, it's all bollocks anyway because Apple users have had turn-by-turn sat nav on their phones for years, just via free apps instead of built-in.

Anyway, this is good news....it further differentiates the two OS's and introduces healthy competition, the winners as always are the customers who can look forward to superb mapping services from both companies in the future.

Agreed!

Anyway, this is good news....it further differentiates the two OS's and introduces healthy competition, the winners as always are the customers who can look forward to superb mapping services from both companies in the future

And because choice has been limited the companies are focusing on protecting what they have and therefore forcing customers to stay with them, rather than inovating new things to attract and retain customers.

Imagine if every smart phone user could choose with each individual map search which provider to use, on a whim choose which to set as the default maps for their device for their current OS. The the mapping providers would then have to make sure they constantly inovated to provide the best tools for the job rather than just rake it in from all of their locked in users.

Imagine if once you had bough a specialized you could only ever buy SRAM drivetrain components but a Trek could only use Shimano and a Canondale only Microshift. That would suck for us customers.

Look how browsers have improved since Microsoft were forced to allow things other IE. For me this maps thing is the same.

And all the Google Maps APIs are open and free to use.

No they aren't.

Yep, looked into using them at work and way too expensive, so just wrote my own stuff using SRTM and Openstreetmaps.

As an interesting aside, you can download the whole UK in OS 1:25000 and 1:50000 from Bing Maps for free. Try this URL as an example:

[url= http://www.bing.com/local/GetMap.ashx?b=r,mkt.en-gb,ProductSet.mmOS&rf=o&rp=n&z=14&c=51.982044,-0.08237&w=834&h=834 ]Clicky[/url]

To be of any use you need to Geotag each tile and then open them with a decent GIS app eg [url= http://www.mapwindow.org/ ]MapWindow[/url].

How did they actually mess up these maps so badly anyway?

Can I straighten a few things out please?

Is there anyone on this thread that's actually USED iOS6 maps?
I'm sitting here on an iP5 in the light of having my satnav (Garmin) pack up on me yesterday when I was somewhere I'd never been, 280 miles from home and needing to find my hotel. I banged the post code into Apple maps and hit the navigate button with some trepidation after reading all the horror stories

So my surprise 😉 I was directed quickly and accurately to my bed for the night, and back to work in the morning

The 'satnav' on Apple maps is plain, even basic, but its bloody good. It re-routes FAR quicker than my Garmin ever did and the GPS finds my position a lot faster.
Sure, there's no camera locator or fancy trip computer etc but it shows and tells me exactly what I need and there's estimated arrival time and distance a available too.

TBH I'm pretty impressed. I'll give it a longer trial the next few days and weeks but if its this good I won't be buying another Garmin.

Its a bit difficult to use them since they aren't available online (?) and once you've upgraded you can't downgrade, so theres no way of trying them out really.

No but then I never used Googlemaps for navigating either I've always been able to look at where I want to be and get my own way there, work experience thing I guess. I've it as a reference to check where a street is and then closed it, Google that is.

I've been using the iOS6 maps app since last Wednesday and its fine.

I use it to find and navigate to customers houses, all day.
Plus I use it to calculate distances when quoting too.

I don't have a problem with it at all.

No streetview. But that's no big problem for me.

Never used Google to actually navigate either.

Tell me iOS6 Maps users, does it download as data as you navigate? Or are the maps already "installed" on the phone?

No but then I never used Googlemaps for navigating either I've always been able to look at where I want to be and get my own way there, work experience thing I guess. I've it as a reference to check where a street is and then closed it, Google that is.

Right. Me too. But IIRC you're a paramedic? And you live in Alnwick? I'm guessing that you cover a given area and get to know it.

Yesterday I drove from Hampshire to Teesport to find a concrete plant on a massive industrial estate. For that, week after week, satnav is a superb invention.
Could you find Hanson Premix in Hastings as easily? Hanson Marine in Southampton? Hanson Aggregates in Farnham? Evesham? Freehay? Tiverton? Luton? Silvertown? Low Moor? Carlisle? ........

🙂

So. As I suspected. Nobody here has actually used it. But you all know all about it......

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Missd a post. Someone else who's used it has no problems either. Quelle surprise. 🙂

So. As I suspected. Nobody here has actually used it. But you all know all about it......

Since the downgrade path is not an easy one (or so the internet would lead me to believe) it is not simply a case of trying and seeing if you like it. The old Google Maps app gave me Street View, which I can't get if I update to iOS6. This was my main point in starting this thread. Turn by turn navigation might be the dogs wotsits, as might the 3D flyover stuff, but as an iPhone 4 user, those new features are not available to me. So, if I upgrade to iOS 6 I'm losing significant mapping functionality and gaining as good as nothing.

All a bit disappointing.

So. As I suspected. Nobody here has actually used it. But you all know all about it......

Got it, used it - don't rate it.

Yes, it is actually a turn by turn which was functionality not switched on by google in ios5 so that is clearly a bonus. Not sure the concept of a turn by turn that needs a data connection is all that in any case - plenty of places I go still have no signal.

But...as a straight map app I don't rate it. It seems to redraw faster but the satellite images are vey poor in some parts (my village can't be diserned from the surrounding woods let alone seeing the road. buildings are a distant dream). The details are also pants. As I said many pages above my mother's house is impossible to find as it does not recognise her postcode and the road number of her nearest road has been replaced by "highland" as have countless other roads in that part of the country. My village apparently has a post office (which closed 20years ago) and my LBS is show in its old building it moved from 6 years ago.

It's a work in porgress at best (for how and where I like to use a map).

I never use StreetView so I'll be upgrading the iPhone and iPad. I'm confident the Apple mapping programme will work fine and I'm prepared to take the risk as I don't use the maps very much anyway. I would rather have the latest OS.

So whats going on with all these screenshots appearing over the web of towns missing and stuff? Is this all one big conspiracy? Do i "upgrade" or not?

Mapping is pretty important, i don't think you can change the default mapping app for when you click on addresses in emails etc?

The mobile version of Google Maps does not have Street View either.

yeah, it does (edit. on android, anyway)

Got it but don't recommend for iPhone 4. iPhone 4s has a nice Siri update and other bits which are nice. "do not disturb" I also useful, but minor.

Right. Me too. But IIRC you're a paramedic? And you live in Alnwick? I'm guessing that you cover a given area and get to know it.

I do correct.

Yesterday I drove from Hampshire to Teesport to find a concrete plant on a massive industrial estate. For that, week after week, satnav is a superb invention.
Could you find Hanson Premix in Hastings as easily? Hanson Marine in Southampton? Hanson Aggregates in Farnham? Evesham? Freehay? Tiverton? Luton? Silvertown? Low Moor? Carlisle? ..

When I go to places such as Wales, Yorkshire or other areas to meet friends I look at the town, then look at the main road A1, M6 or such to come down then which smaller A and B roads to come off. I remember the road numbers.

Once in the town I'll go down to turnings, occasionally I'll write road numbers and turnings down but normally just head there. Never failed me as it's how I've always navigated, it's just something I can do.

So, if I upgrade to iOS 6 I'm losing significant mapping functionality

No. You are losing streetview.

Pictures of streets. Not really "mapping functionality"

The mapping functionality is fine, speaking as someone who uses it every day.

(I can look at the streets for real when I get there using the mapping functionality, so don't really need streetview)

But the data is faulty. The iOS application is just a window onto the data in the cloud. I like to use my iPad to look for trails. Can't do that in ios6 because the pics are crap. Some places have the same place/monument a couple of miles apart. Nottingham is under cloud. Solihull apparently doesn't exist and Dudley has moved a few miles south. Apple has mashed together data sets with poor results..

If I can't trust the data I can't use the app. And I also use the app daily. And in my house I use mainly Apple products, so no Apple hate here!

I like to use my iPad to look for trails. Can't do that in ios6 because the pics are crap.

So use one of the other dozens of mapping apps available that offer aerial, satellite, road, hybrid and OS maps from Google, Bing, Yahoo, OpenCycleMap, Sustrans etc etc ? What's the issue exactly?

I like to use my iPad to look for trails. Can't do that in ios6 because the pics are crap.

So use one of the other dozens of mapping apps available that offer aerial, satellite, road, hybrid and OS maps from Google, Bing, Yahoo, OpenCycleMap, Sustrans etc etc ? What's the issue exactly?

Anyone used it to find their way home yet? Have you ended up in a small country near Serbia? Or in the middle of the Atlantic?

"s****s"

[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/mods-can-you-fix-the-new-page-glitch-please ]*glitchy bump*[/url]

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I know a few people who've never downloaded an app...

I know a few people who've never downloaded an app...

These people are very very strange.

It's like buying the latest PC and only using Notepad.

And why would he hand over one of Google/Android's trump cards when Apple seems hell bent on suing any handset maker running the Android OS?
I reckon if Apple hadnt been so litigious in the last couple of years and asked nicely (paid a small premium) then iOS users would've ended up with turn by turn sat-nav from Google Maps on their shiny new iPhones.

What you need to remember is google and apple are both crap compared to a proper map!

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All maps centred on Longnor in the peaks at roughly the same scale

As a satnav to blindly follow the apple maps app's OK (the Tom Tom influence?) but as actual, useable maps they suck. As you can see from the screen shots even as basic road maps they suck.

No differentiation between the types of roads, on Apple the A road looks no different to a single track road
No place name for even a large village.
No road numbers
Zoom set too high so small roads are only shown when you zoom in so close you can't see anything else

This is before you factor in the loss of the google bells and whistles such as searchabilty, street view, aerial images etc.

I gave the iOS6 maps a wee test driving to a new school I was working at the other day. I'm in Christchurch New Zealand, which I think might be significant.

- Apple Maps got the location of the street bang on. Google Maps had the school location wrong, and had placed the school in the temporary location it was after the earthquakes last year (it's since moved back to the old location). So the apple map is either more up to date in this case or very out of date, but the google map is definitely at least 9 months out of date - neither map set is perfect.

- Turn-by-turn worked very well, but only because it's quite quick to recalculate your route. It did try to navigate me through the closed off 'red zone' in the centre of town, but so did google maps. The red zone changes quite often so I thought this was OK until I learned that the AA website has up-to-date info on this, so Apple and Google have no excuse, seeing as they're both working from live data.

- I'll be using NZ Topo maps (essentially OS maps) online for any off road navigation, with a gander at google satellite images on my laptop of needed. I'd probably find it a bit annoying if I had to keep switching between apps if I was doing it on an iPad, especially since I could probably do most of that in the old maps app without hassle.

- The vector based maps on iOS6 are way cleaner to look at than the google ones (or the topo maps).

- I've done a bit of cross referencing between iOS6 maps and Topo maps and they seem to be spot on here. Looked at about 30 locations, both urban and further afield.

In general, the new maps aren't the disappointment I'd expected, but I still think there's lots of room for improvement. I suspect that because NZ is simpler in terms of the number of notable locations that the data is pretty good here. I would expect that the data will improve pretty quickly elsewhere (depending on how apple plan to fix that stuff). They really could do with sorting their photo data though, as that's really poor.

It's interesting reading what people describe as important to them with mapping tech. I use Street View a lot on the iPad, so losing it is losing major functionality as I claimed above. I stand by that claim. I don't use Maps for navigation since I have a Satnav app that had the maps loaded locally; I'd rather not rely on a data connection.

As for "other apps are available", that is true, but not all apps are equal. I downloaded one of the Street View apps and functionally it does give me Street View, but it is nowhere near as quick, easy to use or as slick as Google's offering.

For those who use the new Maps and find (pun intended) it gives them what they need, that's great. For me this "upgrade" is a real disappointment so I'm holding off.

CountZero - Member

The reason Apple are so litigious with Google over Android, is because Eric T Schmitt was on the board at Apple when the iPhone and iOS was under development. He had inside information. Before 2007, Android looked very much like RIM's OS on the 'Berry, but, by a very strange and spooky coincidence, after the iPhone was released, Android suddenly took on an appearance not unlike that of iOS.
Around that time, Schmitt was asked to leave because of conflict of interest.
You can find examples of the before and after Android versions easily enough,

At the risk of sounding rude i think you've got Samsung's interpretation of Android confused with stock Android, version 1.0 (original Android) looked nothing like iOS, however Samsung's original Galaxy-S is so close to being a rip-off of the iPhone 3GS that they deserved to lose their case the other day....they even stacked their widgets/icons on the home screen like Apple does in grid formation.

Stock Android lacks lots of the features the handset makers are being sued over, the bounce back feature on scrolling doesnt appear in Android but foolishly (and arrogantly) Samsung install it when they 'skin' Touchwiz over Android for their OS.

iOS has always been about a simple OS that does not much else than launch Apps, the Apps are all present and correct on the main screens and messaging is available with a finger swipe to the left screen....simplicity in itself.
Android has never been about that, Apps are kept in an App draw, there are numerous home screens, live widgets facilitate the viewing of information without opening an App....the parts that Apple get funny about; pinch to zoom, bounce back scrolling etc are fair enough and i believe there are plans for Android to further move from these commands with the next versions, i have read about changes to zooming by placing a finger on the screen, leaving it there and moving it up to zoom in and down to move out for example....it also then becomes a one finger task as opposed to pinch to zoom.

Call me cynic but i think what Apple are really angry about is that Android have taken the touch screen interface and run with it...almost out of sight now.
Anything Apple do to iOS has now usually been done on Android first, the notification bar for instance, Facebook uploads from the gallery, declining a call with a text....all heralded new features of iOS updates but all present on Android first.
Apple i'm sure would like to try live widgets but to do so would now completely mimic Android, Android has given Apple nowhere to go with iOS, thats what hurts i think.

I just upgraded iPhone4S and IMO the Apple mapping is better, faster load of map, current position and routing much quicker. I don't use StreetView so I don't care it's not supported.

A mate upgraded his iPad3 and agrees mapping is better, he also found the Google Earth ran better with improved scrolling (better than PC version he said).

I could not upgrade my iPad1, perhaps iOS6 isn't released for that yet, hopefully that's the case and not because it's older unsupported hardware.

I could not upgrade my iPad1, perhaps iOS6 isn't released for that yet, hopefully that's the case and not because it's older unsupported hardware.

I could not upgrade my iPad1, perhaps iOS6 isn't released for that yet, hopefully that's the case and not because it's older unsupported hardware.

Oh dear.

To add to jfletch's earlier map comparison:

[url= http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.1877&lon=-1.8596&zoom=14&layers=M ]Longnor in OpenStreetMap[/url]:
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[url= http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.1877&lon=-1.8596&zoom=14&layers=C ]Longnor in OpenCycleMap[/url]:
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Both better (IMO) than the Apple or Google maps, plus they are free (for users AND developers) and editable by the general public.

Apple i'm sure would like to try live widgets but to do so would now completely mimic Android, Android has given Apple nowhere to go with iOS, thats what hurts i think.

Well, looking at how many iOS devices are sold compared to Android, I'd say its not really hurt at all, maybe a slight itch, but no more than that.

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Well, looking at how many iOS devices are sold compared to Android, I'd say its not really hurt at all, maybe a slight itch, but no more than that.
Q2 2012 market share for mobile devices:
iOS 18.8%
Android 64.1%

Android outsells iOS because it is cheap (or rather, it appears on cheap devices as well as expensive ones).

It is quite remarkable that Apple can hold 19% of the market with a two or three expensive devices versus thousands of devices of all shapes, sizes and price ranges running Android.

Ahh. Ok. I was wrong sorry. ( not often you hear that on STW!) 🙂

anyone used it to find their way home yet? Have you ended up in a small country near Serbia? Or in the middle of the Atlantic?
"s****s"

Yes. It works fine. As I said a lot earlier, the only ones slagging it off are the ones not using it.
*laughs*

🙂

WHY OH WHY do new tabs open to type in the address bar?????
It's doing my head in. Anyone know if I can change this back?

Ahh. Ok. I was wrong sorry. ( not often you hear that on STW!)

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[b]druidh[/b] - Member
Q2 2012 market share for mobile devices:
iOS 18.8%
Android 64.1%

It's just clear to the naked eye that iPhone and iPad dominate.

@GrahamS - yes it is incredible.

@jfletch - thanks. I am a little sad as my iPad1 is still going strong after 3-ish years, I do lust after my mates iPad3's stunning screen but I cannot justify replacing a perfectly functioning device.

@Drac - one of Apple's strengths is the free OS updates providing increased functionality and pro-longing the life of the device

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It's just clear to the naked eye that iPhone and iPad dominate.
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Oops! They've misplaced Pompey!

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/local/apple-puts-portsmouth-on-the-map-but-it-s-now-in-the-wrong-place-1-4300817

@druidh, go on the train or a public place and look at the number of users of the different devices.

5 years ago our household (5 people) was Nokia/Blackberry, MS laptops - now we are all iPhone, MacBook/MacMini, AppleTV and iPad

It's just clear to the naked eye that iPhone and iPad dominate.

I think jambalaya has just usurped GrahamS & CountZero, in who gets to be STW's Apple representative here on Earth 8)

WHY OH WHY do new tabs open to type in the address bar?????

Eh? Where? Not noticed this at all? Example?

It's just clear to the naked eye that iPhone and iPad dominate.

Nah it's just that iPhone/iPad are very recognisable. Direct competitors to iPhone, like the Samsung SIII are also fairly obvious, but glancing around the train might not realise that something like this:

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Is also running Android.

thanks. I am a little sad as my iPad1 is still going strong after 3-ish years,

2 years 3 months

@ohnohesback

Being deliberately directed away from Portsmouth itself is a unique safety feature 😕

I tried some Portsmouth addresses and Post Codes and they are fine btw

Yes. It works fine. As I said a lot earlier, the only ones slagging it off are the ones not using it.

For one function, a substitute for a car GPS, it's as good as the old Google app. For everything else it sucks. Denying this comes across as blind fanboyism.

[i][OSM][/i]Both better (IMO) than the Apple or Google maps, plus they are free (for users AND developers) and editable by the general public.