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All the big boys over 131 and Dunlop over 132.36 and Hutchinson did a 131 with a standing start - I think Dunlop is on a mission (good or bad)
The perfect lap (fastest in all sections) is currently 133.36 (sub 17 minute lap)
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Looks like it was built for the IOM?
Love the Honda,Bruce extremely fast when he has got it all together. However the best bike on paper may struggle to compete with the set-up data of the older bikes. If the weather stays like this it will be an amazing meet.
I get the feeling that a lot of riders are really pushing it this year particularly Dunlop Hutchinson and Ainsty- most bikes are up on power and down on weight apparently
The RC213V-S I don't think will be much better, if anything than current Superbikes there as the track bikes benefit from endless amounts of data and track info which it won't get at the IOM. It could also be a bit fragile whereas the other bikes have been honed over many races and are sorted against what the track throws up at them. Can't wait watch the races this year.
Interesting that it's 2 inches longer on the wheelbase - that's a lot of a differance and I wonder if it will carry lot more speed into the corners (it's also light) and one of the problems the current big bikes have is slightly (very) slower corner speeds
Looking like a Hutchinson / Dunlop battle at the moment. 3 laps > 131.5mph for Hutchy this evening including a 132.803 and 4 from Dunlop including 2 on his superstock. Should be a classic!
i think we may just scrape one in.
Bruce isn't going to win now, he's lost his beard!
Truly epoch making stuff..... it frightens the life out if me to be honest I wish I had a fraction of what it takes to be that good
I'll stick my head on the block and say no.
Rutter asked his crew to turn down the power on his bike. It truly is amazing how they ride that fast on the road, but they must be reaching the limit of what can be done.
135! No chance!
But I'm sure we will see the lap record smashed this year, Hutchy has already set the fastest ever unofficial lap time tonight.
Looking forward to hearing that rcv round the island tomorrow
The perfect lap (fastest in all sections) is currently 133.36 (sub 17 minute lap)
Quick maths says to get a 135mph lap, you'd have to do a 16:46.2 lap. That's 17.3sec quicker than the current outright lap record, and the theoretical best lap of 17 dead is still some 13.8sec adrift.
It WILL happen in our lifetimes... It MAY happen inside the next 5-10 years... It WON'T happen this TT!
The RC213V-S I don't think will be much better
I'd be surprised if it was as quick to be honest! Why do I say that? Well...
In the MotoGP vs WSB arguments, on some courses there's very little difference, on others WSB are up to 3 sec per lap slower. Typically the tighter and twistier the circuit, the bigger the gap the MotoGP bikes pull out (I'm guessing lower inertia and more usable power means they accelerate/brake and change direction quicker). The TT course has a few corners, but on the whole it's not at all tight and twisty. Even still, I'll assume a best case scenario where a MotoGP spec bike was 1sec per minute faster than the WSB bike, which is probably pretty accurate. Pretty much like the argument for 650b over 26" wheels in the first place.
With that in mind, over 17minutes, a MotoGP bike may potentially in the right hands, be 17sec quicker. BUT... A few things to note...
-This isn't a MotoGP bike. It's a heavily modified road going version of the prototype MotoGP bike from 2/3 years ago. It's not a current year model full factory bike. The bike may be big bucks compared to a WSB, but it's small money compared to a factory MotoGP bike, so the outright performance isn't likely to be much greater than a WSB spec bike the others will all be on. Padgetts are quoting around 200bhp for the RCV213, most WSB bikes are exceeding this comfortably already. MotoGP bikes, pneumatic valves and all, are pushing out north of 250bhp!
-Bruce Anstey is a hell of a rider, but he's not Ian Hutchinson or John McGuiness
-Familiarity brings speed. He's only just taken delivery of the RC213v and hasn't got any time of note on it. When you're pushing for that last 1% performance improvement, which is all we're talking about here, you've got to be 100% happy on the bike already. For the same reason that people keep arguing about 650b vs 29er wheels and which is faster. The answer is "the one you're most familiar with and/or happiest riding".
-Unlike on a track where things like chassis stifness and usable torque curves matter, where the bikes spend a lot of time on their sides, full throttle is used relatively sparingly, the fastest TT bikes are relatively unrefined. A peaky engine isn't a problem, full throttle is used almost the entire lap at the TT, torque curves aren't really a concern. Neither, to a point, is chassis stifness, a softer more road biased bike will be easier to keep near the limit on a rough public road course.
In fact, I think that he'll end up riding his Blade rather than the RC213v as he'll probably find he feels safer on it, and is therefore more likely to go quicker. You can't knock this, an avg speed of over 130mph means these boys spend most of the lap with the throttle pinned to the stop, and when you're putting your neck on the line trying to gain a few seconds, I'd rather do it on a machine I feel 100% happy with even if on paper it's slightly slower.
In summary... I think Hutchinson and McGuinness may both nudge a 133mph lap this year, but 135 is some way off just yet.
New outright lap record for M Dunlop! 133.3 incredible.
New outright lap record for M Dunlop! 133.3 incredible.
Staggering!
Still don't think we'll see a 135mph lap this year though... Especially not by Bruce Anstey on the RC213V
Apparently Dunlop reckons he can do it, and he's already done 134 if you put the start finish line in Ramsey.
I'll be amazed if he does do it but it doesn't sound impossible.
A car just done close on 127 mph.... 😯
No one gives a s**t how fast someone went in an air bagged box....
Not a good end to the day
Oh dear, not good at all 🙁
Two brave guys lost today, terrible shame
It is difficult to articulate the IOM to non motorcyclists when riders loose their lives, we all share the grief (I don't say this lightly) one of the reasons we tolerate this tragic loss is the basic understanding of the risk we know these riders take - it's not a freak show or car crash TV however it fundamentally sets us apart (as a group) from the rest of the planet and this statement alone can NOT be explained to those outside that group. It is one of the last " Band of Brothers" outside the military world, God forbid any bunch of HSE bureaucracy driven administrators take this away from us - we absolutely understand what the IOM is in all its glory and misery, it is the last test of a human beings courage in the civilian world.
I think there is a good chance we will see a 134 lap on Friday, weather dependent. Perfect weather conditions so far which you only get at the TT once every ten years or so.
But I don't think it will be Dunlop, who never looks in complete control to me, but Hutchy or McGuiness.
It is difficult to articulate the IOM to non motorcyclists when riders loose their lives, we all share the grief (I don't say this lightly) one of the reasons we tolerate this tragic loss is the basic understanding of the risk we know these riders take - it's not a freak show or car crash TV however it fundamentally sets us apart (as a group) from the rest of the planet and this statement alone can NOT be explained to those outside that group. It is one of the last " Band of Brothers" outside the military world, God forbid any bunch of HSE bureaucracy driven administrators take this away from us - we absolutely understand what the IOM is in all its glory and misery, it is the last test of a human beings courage in the civilian world.
Whilst I understand what you are trying to articulate I think you are bigging yourself (or the riders) up a tad. [i]'last test of a human beings courage in the civilian world"[/i] and [i]sets us apart (as a group) from the rest of the planet[/i] are with respect bollocks. Sure, it sets these folk apart from the sedentary masses but that it to ignore the base jumpers, the wingsuiters, the free climbers, the free divers. the parkorists etc etc. Bring the hyperbole down a notch for added credibility.
Ok free jumpers/divers etc I can accept this as a form of pushing the limit.
Hyperbole? Have you been to the IOM I.e actually ridden around the thing? Fancy a go?
Parkorists really? You forgot big wave surfers (ask Guy Martins view on that particular sport)
But I don't think it will be Dunlop, who never looks in complete control to me
For a long time Dunlop looked at lot like a statistic waiting to happen, but he's reined it in a bit and now, to me at least, just looks breathtakingly quick.
I think Dunlop is really pushing it, as I said at the start of this thred he is on a mission it seems he has to prove something to all the rest and take the TT to another level
Hyperbole? Have you been to the IOM I.e actually ridden around the thing? Fancy a go?
Driving around it in a smart car on a wet Wednesday doesn't really count! I certainly fancy a proper go - but know I'd be rubbish!
Hyperbole - yes. You were making TT riders out to be completely unique with no peers. No matter how phenomenal their bravery that's hyperbole in my book and slightly disrespectful of other 'extreme' pursuants.
oldmanmtb - Member
we absolutely understand what the IOM is in all its glory and misery, it is the last test of a human beings courage in the civilian world.
WTF are you on about. It's just people riding motorbikes FFS
@sobriety I hope you are right re Dunlop. I was surprised at how smooth his riding was on saturday, in contrast to a couple of years back.
It is ridiculously quick now, we will see a 135 at some point (not this week I think), but I can't see how anyone can ride that course quicker than that.
The craziest thing in the world.
Jesus have you been to the IOM, have you ridden around the thing? I give up ... just to qualify my position - I could not do a 100mph lap in 1984 (long time ago)
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WTF are you on about. It's just people riding motorbikes FFS+1oldmanmtb - Member
we absolutely understand what the IOM is in all its glory and misery, it is the last test of a human beings courage in the civilian world.
As a motorcyclist I never "got" the TT. A bit like I don't "get" DH even though I ride a bicycle.
Jesus have you been to the IOM, have you ridden around the thing? I give up ... just to qualify my position - I could not do a 100mph lap in 1984 (long time ago)
🙂 I have been the IOM TT. I can see where you're coming from. It really is something else.
But this is a bit rich.
it is the last test of a human beings courage in the civilian world.
I'd say the Doctors/nurses voluntarily going into Ebola infected areas or a good chunk of the MSF medics make TT riders look like a bunch of spoiled pansies.
I'd say the Doctors/nurses voluntarily going into Ebola infected areas or a good chunk of the MSF medics make TT riders look like a bunch of spoiled pansies.
This forum never disappoints. 😆
It always impresses me how many people have a "definitive" opinion on a subject/situation that they have no first hand experience of.. I suppose that's a forum? I hope I (although I am probably guilty) don't do this
I'd love to see the full video of Mark Higgins 2016 4 wheel lap record. Nearly 2 minutes off his previous 2014 lap record!!! Not far off the top bikes too.
6 deaths on Everest this season. Does that mean climbers are braver/have bigger balls/are more stupid? No, of course not. Death toll isn't a good way to measure the bravado/courage/madness of the participants.
Anyhow - Michael Dunlop. Listening to tonight's interview it seems he's taking it easy at the moment!! He seems a more relaxed sort of chap this year.
Anyhow - Michael Dunlop. Listening to tonight's interview it seems he's taking it easy at the moment!! He seems a more relaxed sort of chap this year.
It's fair to say that he needed to...
For a long time Dunlop looked at lot like a statistic waiting to happen, but he's reined it in a bit and now, to me at least, just looks breathtakingly quick.
For this very reason...
I hope I (although I am probably guilty) don't do this
Have you seen what you've written on this thread? You've admitted you couldn't do a 100mph lap 30 years ago (and presumably haven't done since), and yet you're calling yourself and your comrades the last bastion of human endeavour and bravery!
It's a hell of a spectacle, and they're immensely ballsy, but a little perspective.
Yes mboy, my thoughts too.
oldmanmtb - Member
we absolutely understand what the IOM is in all its glory and misery, it is the last test of a human beings courage in the civilian world.
absolute nonsense...
people put their lives on the line every day, many don't do it for the thrill either, but for the benefit of others. thats real bravery imo...
TT riders simply have very high danger thresholds.
Brave? Well, I couldn't do it, but I'd also say it's selfish if you have a family and kids to support.
Most TT riders like Guy Martin admit it's a selfish thing to do, esp compared to saving others peoples lives (and the fact that some accidents will hurt spectators).
I've been to see it, it's bloody exciting, of all the classes there I reckon the chaps volunteering as moving ballast in the side cars were putting themselves at the most risk.
IOM has no speed limits outside of the town, this was splendid fun until I boiled the brakes in my 1.4 clio and had to drive into a hedge in Laxey to stop. I was pushing the boundaries of human stupidity, can I join?
Yes, but whatabout F1.. eh, isn't it ALL the same..? Won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!!!!!!
I love this forum.. 😆
TBH i always remember a stand up i saw about 20 years ago. Maybe more.
"He died doing what he loved, as long as he loved mis-judging a corner, and smearing himself over 200 yards of beautiful scenery and a dry stone wall"
Not actually word for word, or about the IOM. But still accurate.
Fear and risk are a part of most peoples lives, it manifests in many ways but as long as an individual is aware of the risks and those risks are managed, who is anyone else to judge? that goes for spectators too, right from as early as I could read, the 'Motorsport is dangerous' signs have been embossed in my memory. Mind you the WRC spectators of the Group B era were total fruitbats!
"He died doing what he loved, as long as he loved mis-judging a corner, and smearing himself over 200 yards of beautiful scenery and a dry stone wall"
Hard to imagine a better way to go.
Apart from Dave Lister's untimely demise at 98.