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an actual Police video, crash happens about 1 minute in, watch as only one person gets out of a vehicle to check if driver was ok, from behind the truck, and cars stop on the other side and drivers run accross 2 lanes of live traffic , then why did the van driver decide to stop in the outside lane of a still live traffic stream on the other side of the barrier.
If it can happen to a german car, which we all know are imune to traffic laws, just imagine it was cyclist passing down the inside.
Folks panic / don't think things through.
Maybe there was debris or liquid in the other lane?
hen why did the van driver decide to stop in the outside lane of a still live traffic stream on the other side of the barrier.
Looks like a police van or ambulance. Guy has a hi vis jacket on. It looks as though there's debris on the other side in the lane the van has stopped in
Whitevan man on other side, WHY?
Edit, prob what was said above. I still don't see why they had to lock up and pull in on the other side, maybe debris not clear in vid
maybe debris not clear in vid
Just after the crash you can see most cars trying to avoid the lane nearest the barriers
look at all the arseholes parking on the hard shoulder
I ran across a dual carriageway when there was an accident on the other side of the road. Granted it was 6am but you tend to think about the people and what would happen if you didn't.
Why has this video been truncated and is missing the next 6 hours of watching the tailback on the south bound carriageway where you have to queue for 3 hours to allow bell-ends to stare at the accident?
No idea why the Porsche didn't hit the brakes...?
Easy to be an expert watching the video...**** knows how I'd deal with that if I'd been involved.
No idea why the Porsche didn't hit the brakes...?
I believe he was too busy being driven into by a HGV.
On the bright side, at least there was a load of sand available to soak up any oil spillages...
Not trying to be an expert - just would have thought it'd be an instinctive reaction. Obviously it wasn't for some reason, which puzzled me. Maybe it got hooked up on the vehicle somehow.
Van driver? It was actually an ambulance...that's why it stopped.
All I can think is how the hell can an accident happen on a half-empty, straight bit of dual carriageway? What an absolute moron driving that lorry.
molgrips I agree - I think I'd have had a brown trouser moment myself tho.
[quote=DezB ]All I can think is how the hell can an accident happen on a half-empty, straight bit of dual carriageway? What an absolute moron driving that lorry.
Obviously tailgating the guy in front instead of paying attention.
It does seem to be an Ambulance - although I don't think it is accepted protocol to park your Ambulance in the fast lane of the opposite carriageway no matter how serious the accident appears. Did a Fireman not get booked for doing that a year or two ago?
It is interesting though that 3 police cars all 'swerved' round that "obstruction" on the open side of the road and not one of them felt it appropriate to stop before the hazard on the open side just round a bend and warn of its location to oncoming traffic. I wonder at that point where the greatest risk actually was?
What Bob said - there looks to be something in the road, next to the barrier.
Did my annual motorway driving this week, on the way there nearly wiped out by someone undertaking me while I was overtaking a caravan, even though I was at the max speed limit.
On the way back nearly wiped out by a chavara + caravan that realised he was in the slip lane last minute and crossed the chevrons. Tried to outrun me and would have hit us if the kids hadn't started screaming and I hadn't swerved. Luckily the driver in the next lane saw it coming and braked too.
Am seriously considering the train next year.
Am seriously considering the train next year.
From then information you present (and without knowing the full story), I'd suggest it might be better for everyone if you do so 😯
Tried to outrun me
You could have lifted off and let him slip across.
Looks like small dick syndrome to me.
You could have lifted off and let him slip across.
I'd no choice but to brake and swerve as soon as I saw him to avoid being hit, can only assume I was in his blind spot. But bear in mind I was in the left lane and he came from the exit lane that goes [u]off[/u] the motorway, trying to avoid hitting the barriers.
So what would someone with a large dick have done? And how big was his dick? I notice you like thinking about other driver's dicks a lot.
It does seem to be an Ambulance - although I don't think it is accepted protocol to park your Ambulance [b]in the fast lane of the opposite carriageway[/b] no matter how serious the accident appears
There is no such thing as a fast lane on a motorway, just an inside lane ,outside lane and middle lane, or lane 1 2 or 3 or 4.
Plus the hard shoulder.
So what would someone with a large dick have done? And how big was his dick? I notice you like thinking about other driver's dicks a lot.
Frankly, you sound like a bit of a....
Says the guy in a 4x4....
🙄
Fight! Fight! Fight!
Someone call the mods!
Obviously tailgating the guy in front instead of paying attention.
The two lorries are from the same outfit, looks like a case of undertaking the wrong lorry
A Harry Hill-esque fight between a 4x4, a train and some appendages?
£5 on the appendages.
Were you really so unaware of the traffic around you that you had to be alerted by your screaming kids? If you were in his blind spot, he must have been clearly visible to you even if he is coming across from somewhere he shouldn't be. He may be the cause of the indecent but your just sounding like an equally bad driver just of a different nature.
but your just sounding like an equally bad driver just of a different nature.
Nah, obviously it was the dick in the 4wd's fault...
I was braking as soon as I saw him move right, the thing is it was one of those really long trucks, double cab plus pick-up bit, and a longer than usual extra wheel jobbi caravan.
He was moving across like he'd forgotten he had the van on the back. If I'd braked any harder I'd have skidded or had someone go in the back of me. I took evasive action and avoided a collision.
The (4x4) 😛 driver to the right slowed down too to avoid boxing me in so I could stop being side swiped.
But whatever, can we move on.
Lorry driver should be banned for a very long time for that. Idiot.
Looks like the Lorry just didnt see or check before moving back to lane 1 as it just seems to follow the first Lorry.
They are from the same company - recognise the paintjobs - wondered if the Porsche had just entered the Motorway on a slip that cant be seen on camera ?
The M621 has a lot of short slips and quite close together IIRC been some years since I went that way.
or tried undertaking the trucks, the video unfortunately cant see the build up to the accident, it could be any of several different scenarios. Although the police do caption it about being aware of trucks blind spots, so that may suggest they thought the porsche was undertaking.
looks like the car drivers fault to me? but yeah you would need more of the build up to make a proper judgement.
I'd never sit in a lorry's blind spot for longer than necessary.
I have seen a very similar thing on the M40. As a car was coming up a slip road to join the motorway, the lorry I was following pulled out a lane to allow the car space to join; however, instead of dropping in behind the lorry allowing it to pull back into the inside lane safely, the car driver tried to undertake the lorry. He didn't make it and was lucky to walk away uninjured although the front bodywork of the car was ripped off!
Appears to be a similar situation although we cannot see what led up to the incident.
Porsche appears to be following the van in front at a similar speed so not clear how you can see it as being at fault in that lot. (It could have just joined the road, or else it could have been undertaking but you don't see braking as he 1st truck pulls in, which would have happened if Porsche was coming up fast).looks like the car drivers fault to me? but yeah you would need more of the build up to make a proper judgement.
I'd not "sit" in a lorry's blind spot either but here it appears the lorry was overtaking the car so they had no option unless you'd advocate braking whenever a lorry overtakes you while you're in a line of traffic ?
+1 for why TF are the drivers behing the crash parking on the hard shoulder & blocking it for emergency vehicles ?
Bangin' choon
This accident (6 May 2010) happened on an urban motorway/highway (M621 junction 2, Leeds) when a truck trying to return to the driving lane clipped a Porsche Boxster travelling parallel (lane capture/clinching) in the nearside blind spot of the truck driver's view, having been given way onto the carriageway 0.4 mile (0.64 km) earlier at junction 1. [b]The car connects with the truck's steer wheel causing complete loss of steering and pulls away just in time before the 44 tonne truck rolls over. The contact, emergency braking and inertia causes the trailer carrying 30 tonne sand to topple. The blind spot is a documental accident risk and with Divine grace no one was injured. This has to be a lesson for drivers with small vehicles on the dangers associated with a truck blind spot.[/b]Speed was an issue with all vehicles concerned. The first truck in the video was being followed by the second truck, under employer's instruction, by a new recruit on his first day with the company. Notice how even after the accident the first truck, driven by the boss's son does not stop to enquire or assist. WHY? Thank goodness it all happened in view of CCTV cameras and dismissing any rumours, accusations or lies as a result. Safe driving to all viewers.
Check out the description, clarifies a few things but doesnt tell me where i can get that song from.
No, it ****ing does not ! (did the police write that shite ?)This has to be a lesson for drivers with small vehicles on the dangers associated with a truck blind spot
It OUGHT to be a lesson to all truck drivers
So trucks move out (applause!), overtake Porsche, cut it up and nearly flatten it (slow handclap)... having been given way onto the carriageway 0.4 mile (0.64 km) earlier at junction 1
Silly Porsche driver for going near the traffic 🙄
and another German car gets hit,
also quite like this one of another bus hitting a barrier,
(did the police write that s***e ?)
Nope. The guy that posted the video, [b]MrTrucker2003[/b], did.
Thank Christ for that ! (it was the comment above about the police adding captions about being aware of trucks' blind spots that made me wonder)Nope. The guy that posted the video, MrTrucker2003, did.
Project - I've always found you a bit of an argumentative pedantic troll on here - but that has just gone to a new level. You, and I, can call the lanes whatever we chose to. Left, right, fast, slow, 1, 2, inside, outside; for the purposes of communication all that matters is people understand what you are talking about. In my experience the vast majority of drivers [indeed everyone I have ever met] understand which lane you mean by fast lane and therefore there is de facto a 'fast lane' even if it has no special status as being faster than the other lanes. To say that the lane doesn't exist is like saying HGV's don't exist.[b]project:[/b] There is no such thing as a fast lane on a motorway, just an inside lane ,outside lane and middle lane, or lane 1 2 or 3 or 4.Plus the hard shoulder.
The maximum legal speed is 70mph, for lorries and coaches a lot lower,so its not a fast lane, even though traffic using it may be going faster than the traffic in the other lanes.
The technical and legal description is by the description i have given above,you are free to call them what you want, but i deal in facts not nicknames or what some people call them as an excuse to go faster.
HGV,s are now called Large goods vehicles and buses and coaches Passenger carrying vehicles, PCV,S.
Also a bus running in a bus lane on the left or right hand side of the carrigeway, may be moving faster than the traffic either side, due to the bus lane allowing only buses to use it.
So that would make the bus lane the fast lane, if one applies your logic.
Always pleased to help.
Well, this is just sad. Why so much aggrovation being caused and reacted to? I'm a fairly competent pain in the arse myself, but I save it for the real world...why on a forum for people that share a common interest is there so much desire to talk down?
Yes, probably naive myself, but there's something wrong here.
Sod it, bed. Job tomorrow where people will just stick to slagging people off behind their back instead of to their face, repeatedly, without consideration of anything other than some typed text.
I know, someone will pick on this post no doubt...but I remember mint sauce. Cycling wasn't this back then; it was luuuurve. Seriously, it was. Not this mush.
Night all!
Forums are NOT REAL LIFE, theyre on the internet, but im the same in real life, precise and helpful and also like to make a point and am willing and able to accept what others say, even when wrong.
and wether in real life or the internet, i dont think i ever slag anyone off behind their back or to their face, because life is short, and we should all take a step back and have a laugh.
[quote=project ]Forums are NOT REAL LIFE
Unless I am imagining you, then you are, indeed, REAL. 😛
Looks at reflection on screen and yes i am real.
Forums are a collection of words and pictures , produced electronicly by the typist.or data entry person.
But don't they also have a [i]soul[/i]?
actually I consider 70 mph quite fast, so it is a 'fast lane' your error is in assuming that by referring to the overtaking lane (which to be effective as an overtaking lane must be faster than the other lane(s)) as a fast lane that it means the limit is different.[b]project[/b] -
The maximum legal speed is 70mph, for lorries and coaches a lot lower,so its not a fast lane, even though traffic using it may be going faster than the traffic in the other lanes.
But this is STW not the Design Manual for Roads and Bridges, the Road Traffic Act or Court Papers, so "plain English" usually works fine; indeed "Fast Lane" is so widely used and undestood that it is featured in the Collins English Dictionary and Oxford English Dictionaries with the following definitions:The technical and legal description is by the description i have given above
[i]"(n) the outside lane on a motorway or dual carriageway for vehicles overtaking or travelling at high speed"
"noun
a lane of a motorway or dual carriageway for use by traffic that is overtaking or moving more quickly than the rest."[/i]
apparently I am not, as someone who seems to be of reasonable intelligence feels it necessary to "correct" me, perhaps in a weird attempt at showing his intelligence. If I am free to use it, and the meaning was apparent I'm not sure the point of your post which added no value to the thread or the forum in general.you are free to call them what you want, but i deal in facts not nicknames
or what some people call them as an excuse to go faster.
really? people think fast means in excess of the speed limit? I can't say I've ever met someone who thought the phrase 'fast lane' should be interpreted as 'as fast as you like lane'.
that was my point - 'technically' HGV's no longer 'exist' but everyone knows what is meant and only someone trying to feign intellect would feel it necessary to correct the use of HGV in normal conversation (or a non-technical forum).HGV,s are now called Large goods vehicles
did I miss a bus lane in the original video?Also a bus running in a bus lane on the left or right hand side of the carrigeway, may be moving faster than the traffic either side, due to the bus lane allowing only buses to use it.So that would make the bus lane the fast lane, if one applies your logic.
you must be a fun guy to be around!but im the same in real life
Only buses in a bus lane?
I've been hit by a lorry on a dual carriageway - I'm not going to give the details because someone will say I was in the wrong or I could have avoided it. I've also witnessed a couple of accidents at high speed and had to take action and been shunted from behind in the FAST LANE of the motorway.
All I will say is that you don't have time to think, only time to react - instinct just takes over. I would presume that your instincts would choose more appropriate actions the more experience you have of accidents, but perhaps fortunately they don't happen often enough to improve your reactions.
The 'fast lane'...as stated previously, NO SUCH THING!!
Lane 1 limit: 70mph
Lane 2 limit: 70mph
Lane 3 limit: 70mph
Lane 4 limit: 70mph
So which is the 'fast lane' ?
Driving up the M1 near Sheffield a few weeks back, i'm in lane 1 doing 70mph, nearest car in front of me in the same lane was approx 200yds ahead.
Lanes 2 & 3 both bumper to bumper with heavy traffic doing, say, 65mph. So, was I in this mythical 'fast lane' ?
Or....is the 'fast lane' a special lane for muslims during ramadam ?
Wow! The internet bellendery has reached new [s]heights[/s] lows 🙄
Poly why the character assaination, we have never met, i just pointed outpolitely there is no fast lane, and others have agreed.
Poly why the character assaination, we have never met, i just pointed outpolitely there is no fast lane, and others have agreed.
Because it is pedantry of the highest order, adds nothing to thread, and simply annoys people?
HTH
Yep, think Poly has lost the plot.
I was referring to your insistence that something widely accepted as being called the fast lane [b][i][u]MUST[/u][/i][/b] be known as Lane 2 (or whatever).
The fact you can't seen this means that poly may have a point.
Comes in, looks around .... Forks off.....