[Closed] Interesting day with the 'neighbours' (police content)

Tee hee. I'd have loved to have seen that. An axe wielding muddydwarf chasing a bunch of scrotes away.

Its the axe thats the issue. You are allowed to use reasonable force to protect yourself, other people or property - even to using a "weapon of opportunity". ie something that you found handy if it remains "reasonable force"

If you got a caution thats the end of that incident. Next time just remind the scrotes you have an axe. Take pictures of them and report them to the police

A bet you're relieved you came up against some reasonable cops!

Flame you? No way, you're my hero for the day.

Would have been better if you were nekked as well!

If you don't have one already, get a LARP foam rubber axe. Very useful for those "he came at me with an axe, officer!" moments. "What, this?"

A mate of mine who was a Sargent in the police force had very positive things to say about people who took thinks into their own hands when it came to dealing with chavs/scrotes etc. Off the record if course...

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'E's an 'ave-a-go 'ERO

Get yerself in The Sun fella.

got a caution from an un-named officer of the nick.

So, you admitted the offence and accepted a caution 😯

I presume, oh for gods sake, I really, really hope that you got the duty solicitor and that he advised you to do that, cause if you didn't get legal advice, then you're a bloody idiot!

15 years ago my sister had massive problems with a stalker who went on to stalk my parents too (made the national papers, he went to prison). At every door to the house there was a golf club just in case. Every time the boys in blue came around they would clock the clubs, give a knowing wink and make some quip about how it's so useful to have your clubs close to hand when you want to do a bit of spontanious chipping practice! Dead understanding too when he made the mistake of trying to break in when I happened to be staying and he ended up hospitalised.

Will be interesting to see if they leave you alone or see you as a reasonable target and it increases after yesterday.

Blimey. Its barely past 9.30 on a Monday and already the bar has been raised for post of the week. Purely on the strength of this statement:

ran though the house and picked up an axe i use for my medieval re-enactments

I had a similar problem from the local scrotes a good few years back and initially did the 'right' thing and went to the feds. The police officer said 'to be honest there's not much we can do unless we catch them in the act. If I were you I'd get your mates together and go and have a word'.

I did. It worked.

I dread to think what would have happened if I did the same now

I feel for you, i have two families near me that have uncontrollable kids who keep coming onto our private road and shouting abuse at me. I'm just waiting for the day when i snap and know that the police who have been less than useless towards me will come and arrest me in a heartbeat. It'll still be worth it though. Maybe i should go and buy a medieval axe, they look like fun.
As above though, it'll be interesting to see if it makes things better or worse?

Zulu-Eleven - Member

got a caution from an un-named officer of the nick.

So, you admitted the offence and accepted a caution

I presume, oh for gods sake, I really, really hope that you got the duty solicitor and that he advised you to do that,

+100, if you accepted a formal caution without advice I would get legal advice as to whether procedures were appropriately followed to try and get it removed

should have put some war paint on your face too (would have looked like a right psychopath)!!!

Also axes are so early middle ages, next time,go Klingon!
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Still s****ing 🙂

"I am going to get all medieval on you"

I'd stock up on soap on a rope if I were you.

Any marriage proposals yet?

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The trick, as stated above, is to be in the middle of cleaning/using/holding something nice and heavy, and to run out of the house with said item in your hand not having given it a moments thought.

Do not meddle in the [s]affairs[/s] garden of [s]Wizards[/s] Muddydwarf, for [s]they are[/s] he is [s]subtle[/s] mental and quick to anger.

If you ever need a hand dealing with them again, you have my sword! 😛

and my bow.

@OP, you should be given a medal, not the bloody caution.

Blimey. Its barely past 9.30 on a Monday and already the bar has been raised for post of the week.

Today is Tuesday, to many bank holidays?

To muddydawarf.

Well done, can you video it next time tho

Well done mate.

Just a word of caution - chav kids tend to have chav dads so be prepared for problems in the next days and as ^^ have a word re the caution because you were protecting your property and this [b]will[/b] be used by the 'little angels' if it goes pear shaped. The police seem to be on your side (unofficially) so you really need to cover your arse and get some back up from them.

If you received an actual police caution (rather than just words of caution from a copper), then you might want to check your insurance policies (car, home, contents). You'll need to inform them all and, although quite unlikely given what I assume the kind of offence you'd have been cautioned for, be prepared for an increase in premiums, or even a refusal of cover (particularly for home insurance).

Well done for standing up to them, even if it you did choose to arm yourself; but it could be a tough lesson you're about to learn.

I am not sure I like the word Scrote surely Scum would be more appropriate? I am not sure you did the appropriate thing excepting a caution as this is admitting to it and it may come back to haunt you in the futore. Advice to you all don't admit to it and make it hard for them to prove it anyway IE a balaclava/mask and deny everything AND do not let them the police in your home they need a search warrant and by then you could have got rid of any evidence. [b]That's what someone told me I am of course not advising It.[/b]
Personally I just moved to the country to get away from the scum especially the racist and I am not talk white people.

cranberry - Member
The trick, as stated above, is to be in the middle of cleaning/using/holding something nice and heavy, and to run out of the house with said item in your hand not having given it a moments thought.

brandeberryj - Member

I am not sure I like the word Scrote surely Scum would be more appropriate? I am not sure you did the appropriate thing excepting a caution as this is admitting to it and it may come back to haunt you in the futore. Advice to you all don't admit to it and make it hard for them to prove it anyway IE a balaclava/mask and deny everything AND do not let them the police in your home they need a search warrant and by then you could have got rid of any evidence.

Stupid advice. Doing this will get you a full prosecution for offensive weapons at a minimum not just a caution. Co operate and get a caution, make life difficult an get the book thrown at you

I an totaly sympathise; I've done the very same thing but with a samurai sword I'd bought the wife as an xmas present...long running issue with noisy upstairs neighbours and I finaly broke, grabbed the sword and kicked their door down and told them to shut up. The police that arrested me said next time use a wooden sword and you'll just get a telling off.

luckily we moved out 2 months later...

i just happened to be tidying away my crowbar into the shed and when I got outside I heard the noises and reacted.

I've done the very same thing but with a [b]samurai sword I'd bought the wife as an xmas present[/b]...long running issue with noisy upstairs neighbours and I finaly broke, grabbed the sword and [b]kicked their door down[/b] and told them to shut up. The police that arrested me said next time use a wooden sword and you'll just get a telling off.

😯

Don't know where to start! Somehow the op dosn't sound such a nutter - maybe it's in the telling!

This escalating arms race is shaping up nicely. How many posts before we get to

"anyway, they'd been asking for it for quite some time. So I took the rocket launcher out from under the bed....

is 'owning with bombers' about to be eclipsed? 😉

I've done the very same thing but with a samurai sword I'd bought the wife as an xmas present

Did the police believe that 😯 😀

Lol at muddydwarf. 😆

Respect for being pro-active but do watch your back nevertheless.

Its not something im very proud of, I cant think of a period of my life where ive been so stressed. Im normaly a very quiet person, I guess everyone has their breaking point. A year of constant noise and bullying and no assistance from anyone in authority proved to be mine.

It was a really nice sword too.

What a thread. Nice one the OP - I'm all for being a vigilante. Hope you dont get too many issues from the scum dads.

Loving the 'take the law into you own hands' nonsense from a bunch of people who'd shop their neighbours for having dirty curtains or something else equally trivial...

Bloody stupid thing to do

It's a good thing you've realised this.

Now, have you considered the possibility of reprisals? Revenge attacks on your home, or family members? Are your troublesome neighbours the type to take such things lying down?

Maybe you have scared them off. But maybe you've opened a far nastier can of worms.

Consider covert surveillance, making sure it doesn't of course create a breach of privacy for your neighbours. Gather evidence of illegal activity and criminal damage. Much more effective, as you then have 'proof' on which the police need to act.

This forum makes me laugh. One minute, Red Light Jumpers are the spawn of Satan, next minute, it's ok to completely ignore the Law and threaten people with an axe. Fantastic.

Muddy; I can well understand your anger and frustration. And yes, sometimes you do need to stand up for yourself.

But violence often begets violence. Be wary of any follow up actions. And if it does happen, then consider that your own actions have helped inflame the situation. You're not some crusading hero, by acting in the manner you did, you're a law-breaker just like them. Only your using threatening behaviour, which could be considered a tad more serious than a bit of damage to a shed or fence. You've got away pretty lightly if all you've received is a caution. What is it, up to 4 years inside for possession of an offensive weapon?

You're on a yellow card now. The neighbours will know that if you lose it again, you'll be in far more serious trouble. They may well try to provoke you further.

I hope you are able to find a positive solution to all this. It must feel horrible.

Whatever you do, don't get yerself nicked again ffs.

Red Light Jumpers are the spawn of Satan

Hi.

Just wondering, did muddydwarf's conversation with the neighbours include contacting the little darling's parents and having a discussion about it?

Before sending in the crack S.A.S team to shoot them all in the head and dump them in the local lake, of course...

I'm not going to Muddy the waters by giving any legal advise re your action over and above do not resort to axes as you could come off badly in court( the sentencing guideline is immediate custody.) The Formal Caution was a good and lenient outcome if that is what you received. you should have had to sign a form accepting guilt and acknowledging the caution.

On the constructive side if the misunderstood young men are from a council estate your councils anti social behaviour unit may be able to assist you.

TandemJeremy - Member

brandeberryj - Member

I am not sure I like the word Scrote surely Scum would be more appropriate? I am not sure you did the appropriate thing excepting a caution as this is admitting to it and it may come back to haunt you in the futore. Advice to you all don't admit to it and make it hard for them to prove it anyway IE a balaclava/mask and deny everything AND do not let them the police in your home they need a search warrant and by then you could have got rid of any evidence.

Stupid advice. Doing this will get you a full prosecution for offensive weapons at a minimum not just a caution. Co operate and get a caution, make life difficult an get the book thrown at you

Co operate and get a caution,

I might also point out your lies

That's what someone told me I am of course not advising It.

crankboy - Member
I'm not going to Muddy the waters by giving any legal advise re your action over and above do not resort to axes as you could come off badly in court( the sentencing guideline is immediate custody.) The Formal Caution was a good and lenient outcome if that is what you received. you should have had to sign a form accepting guilt and acknowledging the caution.

On the constructive side if the misunderstood young men are from a council estate your councils anti social behaviour unit may be able to assist you.

On the constuctive side?

misunderstood young men

Mr Woppit - Member

Red Light Jumpers are the spawn of Satan

Hi.

Just wondering, did muddydwarf's conversation with the neighbours include contacting the little darling's parents and having a discussion about it?

Mate did something similar a few years back but with a Samurai sword he kept under the bed. Fortunately he had not quite finished the pack of Stella and had the forethought to nip round to his brothers and substitute the sword for a golf club in readiness for the inevitable visit from the boys in blue 🙄 .

Elfinsafety - Member
Loving the 'take the law into you own hands' nonsense from a bunch of people who'd shop their neighbours for having dirty curtains or something else equally trivial...

Bloody stupid thing to do

It's a good thing you've realised thisNow, have you considered the possibility of reprisals? Revenge attacks on your home, or family members? Are your troublesome neighbours the type to take such things lying down?.

Maybe you have scared them off. But maybe you've opened a far nastier can of worms.

Consider covert surveillance, making sure it doesn't of course create a breach of privacy for your neighbours.

This forum makes me laugh. One minute, Red Light Jumpers are the spawn of Satan, next minute, it's ok to completely ignore the Law and threaten people with an axe. Fantastic.

Muddy; I can well understand your anger and frustration. And yes, sometimes you do need to stand up for yourself.

But violence often begets violence. Be wary of any follow up actions. And if it does happen, then consider that your own actions have helped inflame the situation.

You're not some crusading hero, by acting in the manner you did, you're a law-breaker just like them. Only your using threatening behaviour,

which could be considered a tad more serious than a bit of damage to a shed or fence.

You've got away pretty lightly if all you've received is a caution. What is it, up to 4 years inside for possession of an offensive weapon?

You're on a yellow card now. The neighbours will know that if you lose it again, you'll be in far more serious trouble. They may well try to provoke you further.

I hope you are able to find a positive solution to all this. It must feel horrible.

Whatever you do, don't get yerself nicked again ffs.

Mr Woppit - Member

Red Light Jumpers are the spawn of Satan

Hi.

Just wondering, did muddydwarf's conversation with the neighbours include contacting the little darling's parents and having a discussion about it?

Before sending in the crack S.A.S team to shoot them all in the head and dump them in the local lake, of course...

It really isn't worth commenting on the rest of this drivel

Yet you've chosen to comment on practially all of it? 😕

Yes it was the victims fault it always is to the likes of you.

And completely and utterly misunderstand it, too. Oh well...

Carry on though. You're quite entertaining. 🙂

brandeberryj is the administrator for aveagoero.co.uk and I want my £4.99

Good God - someone that can out-rant Elfin (and make less sense too!)

You should've worn a mask or the fake beard which you use for re-enactments!

Elfinsafety - Member

It really isn't worth commenting on the rest of this drivel

Yet you've chosen to comment on practially all of it?

Yes it was the victims fault it always is to the likes of you.

And completely and utterly misunderstand it, too. Oh well...

Carry on though. You're quite entertaining.

GrahamS - Member
Good God - someone that can out-rant Elfin (and make less sense too!)

try less coffee in the morning brandeberry.

Elfin rants because he has misplaced sense of moral superiority. You, on the other hand, have too much caffine in your system.

Good God - someone that can out-rant Elfin (and make less sense too!)

No chance. Brandyberryj is but a mere amateur, compared to me....

Elfin rants because he has misplaced sense of moral superiority

And Stoner attempts ad hominem attacks on Elfin because he is jealous of that moral superiority...

😀

You have a problem understanding the hell that some peole go through.

Oh do I? Right, ok then...

My reaction to similar problems was to go out with a camera and take pictures of our local youth when they persistently knocked on our door, which I then passed on to the police, also after one of them climbed on to the roof of a neighbours car.

I've also been given advice by the police that reacting to provocation can lead to further/worse trouble, but it's just not in my nature to do nothing, and as it happens the police were well aware of the particular youths that I photographed causing trouble elsewhere.

Net result in my case was that the trouble stopped, though whether this was because the police spoke to the youths or not I can't say, though they assure me they did.

My advice would be to dial 999 every time that you are aware that there is trouble actually in progress and dial the regular police number to report any incident that happens when you're not there. Also encourage your neighbours to do the same. If you make enough noise (over legitimate complaints) then the police will have to react eventually, and they can become proactive in dealing with youth issues if they choose to - e.g. through PACT actions.

Other than that you'll either have to wait a few years for the current crop of youth to get girlfriends or move.

MD, as I recall you have a bit of a history of anger management issues? I feel for you in this scenario, but you need to really get control of yourself. I just hope that they take the warning seriously and treat you with a bit of respect. Because if they don't, you've not got a great deal of wriggling room. I'd second the advice to set up some sort of surveilance and start logging the problems if you're not already doing so.

For all the armchair heroes, what would you do if someone threatened you with an axe? I'm guessing you'd advocate entering the arms race!

Maybe you could point out anything that I typed which didn't make sense to you and I will going over it again.

And if Junkyard is having a go about that kind of thing, then you really do need to take notice 🙂

Stoner - Member
try less coffee in the morning brandeberry.

Elfin rants because he has misplaced sense of moral superiority. You, on the other hand, have too much caffine in your system.

brandeberryj said:
Maybe you could point out anything that I typed which didn't make sense to you and I will going over it again.

😀 It was more the complete lack of coherence; frantic replies and your wide ranging assumptions that no one here could possibly understand "real trouble".

I agree with Stoner: try some decaff for a bit. And take a breath between replies.

Elfin said:
Oh do I? Right, ok then...

Yeah it's alright for you Elfin. Lording it up in your 12 bedroom country house, far from the grim reality of inner city life.

But try to imagine what life would be like if you were a minority, living somewhere like London, with unsavoury scrotes for neighbours. 😀

Elfinsafety - Member

"You have a problem understanding the hell that some peole go through."

Oh do I? Right, ok then...

he IS the unsavoury scrote, Graham!

I had to paste it to word to spellcheck it DD 🙄

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Guys? Guys? Look at us. Bickering. Arguing. Like children. We never used to be like this.....

The OP hasn't posted anything since the original post, so this point hasn't been clarified, but if you have received a formal police caution (as opposed to a police officer verbally telling you off), this will have an impact on you.

Check small print in your home, car, buildings insurance - especially home contents - as many won't offer policies to people with cautions in the last 5 years. If they specify "unspent convictions" you should be fine (depending on whether it was a conditional caution or not) as cautions are now covered by RoA 1974 and become spent upon issue.

It will also appear on CRB checks, so if you work with kids, vunerable adults, in finance, in law, or in any other job that requires CRB clearance you may need to inform your employers.

Depending on what offence you've accepted the caution you may not be able to travel to the USA under the visa waiver programme (needs to be a crime of "moral turpitude" - google it). You will need to apply to the US embassy for a visa should you wish to go. IIRC, there are also issues travelling to Canada and Austrailia.

As someone said ealier - always seek legal advice before accepting a caution.

But try to imagine what life would be like if you were a minority, living somewhere like London, with unsavoury scrotes for neighbours.

I feel for the OP after having a crime ridden year a couple of years ago myself. I think if I had caught anyone on my property I would have overreacted. Whatever happens try to stay calm and don't let the ****ers drag you down to their level. We are currently moving house just to put some distance between us and the (sorry to say it) coucil houses however the person I have a strong suspicion of being responsible for all our trouble owns their own house, albeit he's away at the moment (for around five years 😉 ).

GrahamS - Member

brandeberryj said:
It was more the complete lack of coherence; frantic replies and your wide ranging assumptions that no one here could possibly understand "real trouble".

I agree with Stoner: try some decaff for a bit. And take a breath between replies.

wide ranging assumptions that no one here could possibly understand "real trouble".

wide ranging assumptions that no one here could possibly understand "real trouble".

Yeah it's alright for you Elfin. Lording it up in your 12 bedroom country house, far from the grim reality of inner city life.

But try to imagine what life would be like if you were a minority, living somewhere like London, with unsavoury scrotes for neighbours.

I'm afraid I cannot; such is the loftiness of my position here, that it is simply too far to look down... 😐

he IS the unsavoury scrote, Graham!

😆

Well, I was very salty the other day when I came in from riding my bike, so I could argue that I'm quite [i]savoury[/i] actually.

Completely lost my temper, ran though the house and picked up an axe i use for my medieval re-enactments

Best sentence anywhere ever, regardless of context.

Stoner - Member

Elfin rants because he has misplaced sense of moral superiority.

Top counter argument totaly wiped me out......what was your argument by the way??

I think the point he is making (maybe a touch subtly for you) is that you have no idea of his background, residential circumstances or previous experiences yet still feel equipped to make rather presumptuous comments about his ability to empathise . As such your comments don't really need much of a rebuttal and rather speak for themselves to anyone with a bit of common sense.

I have, on various occasions, been told by the police that they're disgusted by how the local kids get away with stuff and are just looking for an excuse to take them down as they get off on technicalities regularly. I've also been told, on more than one occasion by more than one set of police officers, to simply ensure there are no witnesses when they "attack" next 😯 and then to record the reprisals as it will let them take them off the streets. Back where I used to live we ended up having a spate of kids smashing car mirrors off as they walked down the street. Police said they were working on it but had no leads, it escalated to smashing windows - car after car, all down a long street. It happened so often it was pretty much expected and people paved over gardens to get cars off the road solely because of it. Eventually it seems the people causing it got bored and stopped doing it, but not after the whole areas insurance rating fell through the floor.

I find it a little odd, people are shrinking back into their houses, hiding in fear of a minority who get away with murder and who the police don't seem to be able to touch for some reason. The only solution I've seen to work first hand has been the oldschool "catch them alone and scare them to death" (threat of violence is often better than actually beating them to death) method, but that doesn't work in all cases and can backfire nastily, especially with the worst offenders. So what's the answer? We can't have people going militant on the streets, but we can't be being scared into submission by little scrotes and it's not a nice place to live when you have to start installing multi-camera HDD recorders on your property just in case.

Sad times.

Elfinsafety - Member

Yeah it's alright for you Elfin. Lording it up in your 12 bedroom country house, far from the grim reality of inner city life.

But try to imagine what life would be like if you were a minority, living somewhere like London, with unsavoury scrotes for neighbours.

I'm afraid I cannot; such is the loftiness of my position here, that it is simply too far to look down...

he IS the unsavoury scrote, Graham!

Well, I was very salty the other day when I came in from riding my bike, so I could argue that I'm quite savoury actually.

Bloody stupid thing to do,

You said it, an axe FFS - what were you thinking? Let's hope this doesn't bite back

This forum makes me laugh. One minute, Red Light Jumpers are the spawn of Satan, next minute, it's ok to completely ignore the Law and threaten people with an axe. Fantastic.

Totally agree, a lot of double standards on this forum.

Totally agree, a lot of double standards on this forum - shame on you

The difference clearly comes from the fact that one was initiated by the evil of another, whereas RLJing is done purely through laziness and so is abhorent.

convert - Member

Top counter argument totaly wiped me out......what was your argument by the way??

I think the point he is making (maybe a touch subtly for you) is that you have no idea of his background, residential circumstances or previous experiences yet still feel equipped to make rather presumptuous comments. As such your comments don't really need much of a rebuttal and rather speak for themselves to anyone with a bit of common sense.

his background, residential circumstances or previous experiences

his background, residential circumstances or previous experiences

😀 - You're funny! (BTW - I hold my hand up - I am being condescending now!)