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The whole point about democracy is that governments do things that are popular
Surely it's about voting the side in that the voters believe will do the right thing? Or we'd vote on everything and wouldn't infact have a government.
Poly - something needs to be done for sure
second jobs, non exec directorships ( bribe by another name) should certainly be not allowed - being an MP is a full time job and the number of MPs who give juicy contracts to firms then join them after the next election or even before for huge sums is disgusting.
Westminster is highly corrupt just the corruption is legalised and normalised
Kwarteng took a huge sum from an energy company wanting to put in a cross channel cable and is now promoting them relentlessly - thats outright corruption
large numbers of tory mps have taken money from private health firms - trust them to be impartial?
I passed no comment about whether I thought their methods would work, or are the correct way to go about it.
I’m simply explaining that contrary to popular opinion they are not trying to ‘get support’ they are trying to ‘cause a fuss’.
Arguably, that is working...
joshvegas
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The whole point about democracy is that governments do things that are popularSurely it’s about voting the side in that the voters believe will do the right thing? Or we’d vote on everything and wouldn’t infact have a government.
If you have 5 years in power then you have 4 years of not worrying too much about unpopular stuff, more often you do stuff that's unpopular to then fund the vote winning policies in the last year before an election.
I don't think this government are that bothered about being popular at present, they're living rent free just now as the opposition are useless and disjointed.
You think people are going to watch the news footage of people blocking roads and go ‘oh actually yes I must get my house insulated or lobby my MP for a grant?’
They are not trying to get people to insulate their own homes, they are trying to get government to plan, fund and legislate to:
- first insulate social housing projects
- then update privately rented and owner occupied homes
They want to keep those demands in the public eye. As soon as they end their campaign, the idea will be swept aside. They have to keep on. And they have to disrupt normal life. Or they won’t be heard. And we can argue about their dates, but what they are calling for is exactly what the government needs to do, rather than wash its hand of the insulating question.
Slightly OT but am I the only one to notice the special brand of STW hypocrisy at play in this thread. Yes the driver is a dick but attacking the way she looks would have a lot of posters wringing their hands and virtual crying in most other threads. Why’s it okay here? Christ I’ve seen people jumping to Priti Patel’s defence when people bring up her appearance.
Did someone bring up her appearance?
I missed it amongst the 7 pages to wandering off topic...
I'll admit to being more interested in her actions than her appearance.
Did someone bring up her appearance?
Several times. Don’t see what bearing it has on being a complete ****. They come in all shapes, sizes, colours and genders. The wonderful diverse world of dickheadom
The architecture of the northern hemisphere evolved to meet the human need for shelter and heat, every building is defined by its energy era, from early hovel with a hearth for wood, to Georgian and Victorian buildings designed around coal, or more recently modern housing designed to be powered by oil and gas, the energy source for heat the building contains, our biggest energy consumption, defines the building, all of them combustible, and all of them now classed as an environmental problem.
Gas filled the gap, gas can cost effectively heat a house designed for coal, now that gas is on the wind down what are the alternatives?
Electricity is our other big energy but is hugely expensive to heat with unless the building is designed to contain it, the job of adapting a traditional Victorian house designed for coal, or the average modern flat or semi designed for gas is a big and hugely expensive one, in some cases close to the rebuild cost of the house, the task of adapting tens of millions of them probably beyond possible in reality.
Yet the transition from gas..to something..is apparently the UK’s next stage in meeting the governments pledge on lowering carbon emissions, the result can only be very expensive and rising gas bills in the short term, and possibly freezing to death in the longer term for those that can’t afford to strip their house out and reinsulate.
The current British government was elected on a manifesto promise of £9.2bn for energy-efficient buildings, yet Rishi Sunak’s Green Homes Grants announced in 2020 was scrapped after six months, after low uptake and poor administration, and a year has now passed since the government promised to publish its ‘Heat and Buildings Strategy’, it would appear this is not top of anyone’s agenda.
Putting it all together we will at some point have to face the problem, possibly the biggest domestic infrastructure project in the UK’s history, acting now could make it less painful.
How do you alert people to this?
They have certainly upped the pressure, turning the public against them via news outlets. Hardly a new tactic is it!
"I'm just going work mate these jobless layabouts stopping emergency vehicles". I've heard the emergency vehicles thing used to justify all parking restrictions and this isn't the first protest where the general public are encouraged to view them as pond life/jobless layabouts stopping them getting to work.
See when Labour polices are discussed and they get jobless musicians (on the news only a few weeks ago) and single mothers on benefits to give their opinions. They know full well, it will send a good proportion of working class voters into a head spinning rage, throwing their slippers at the telly!
SWAMPY HAS ENTERED THE CHAT...
Busted...
tj - don't get me wrong I'm 100% with you that something needs to be done; just possibly not an outright ban. To me the obvious solution would be to make it a judicial decision that has two parts:
1. If there is a perception of possible bias / unfairness then the person can be forced out of the post.
2. If there is actual proof of misconduct then criminal offence.
Of course the gov would never allow those pesky judges to get involved.
(Whilst many people might perceive judges to be part of the elite and liable to be "in on it", I think in the UK they are actually pretty good at knowing when there may be either an actual or perceived risk of bias and recusing themselves so would likely be able to apply that logic to others well).
Good points – but we could start by having a maximum donation limit and not just trusting the parties to do the right thing. There are clear conflicts of interests happening all the time and the electoral commission is toothless.
Yes I'd not be opposed to that (although the thing about max donations is the sneaky people find ways to circumvent. I will donate, my wife will donate, my son will donate, my ltd co will donate - now we have 4x the max donation!... Personally I'd (1) make ALL donations public (name and town of every donor). (2) make all companies, and non-incorporated organisation list their donations publically - like employers have to for gender pay stuff etc.
Well yes, it’s a full time job. MP pay is less than most lawyers and doctors and they should be closer to the coal face dealing with their constituents.
I wouldn't tell that to a junior doctor or legal aid solicitor! I'm not suggesting professionals would remain involved in their specialism for the cash - I'm suggesting that being involved in 2021's health situation or courts crisis gives a very different insight to having been involved 15 years ago when you first got elected.
No reason a doctor could not go back to their day job,
no easy if you've not treated a patient for 10 yrs!
but taking a board position at a private company that got awarded a nhs contract during their tenure, no. Every politician should have a blacklist of companies they can not work for.
In principle I agree - but is that all MP's or only those in government? or only those in ministerial positions? or only those in ministerial positions in depts that were linked to that contract? What if its a £100M company that got a £50k contract and it had been getting those sort of contracts for the last 20 years. There's so much nuance around individual people, contracts, roles that I'm not convinced a blanket ban makes sense. I think there is already a committee that looks at these things - but they are a bunch of other MPs which is like asking teenagers to grade their own exams!
Slightly OT but am I the only one to notice the special brand of STW hypocrisy at play in this thread. Yes the driver is a dick but attacking the way she looks would have a lot of posters wringing their hands and virtual crying in most other threads. Why’s it okay here? Christ I’ve seen people jumping to Priti Patel’s defence when people bring up her appearance.
No @funkmasterp you are not the only one to spot it and think FFS - but you might be the first to have called it out. I'm just as amazed at the number of people who seem to condone her driving though.
Yes the driver is a dick but attacking the way she looks would have a lot of posters wringing their hands and virtual crying in most other threads. Why’s it okay here?
Her behaviour, for me, is ugly enough to warrant removal of any respect, and there are times when saying you disapprove just doesn't vent what is deserved.
So calling someone a fat slag is acceptable if you very strongly disapprove of their behaviour?
I thought calling someone a fat slag always signified disapproval?
Middle-class liberal sensibilities can be hard to fathom sometimes.
So calling someone a fat slag is acceptable if you very strongly disapprove of their behaviour?
I didn't, that would be you adjusting the context, I said that in the absence of being able to do or say anything human frustrations will leak, and I'm not going to get all PC in her defense.
I’m not going to get all PC in her defense
So it would appear..... something about human frustration leaking, apparently.
I have no idea what you mean about me "adjusting the context" btw.
I was aware that it wasn't you who referred to her as a fat slag, I was responding to your justification of using that description.
Edit : Actually I can't remember precisely who used the term fat slag and I can't be bothered to trawl through to check. So I'm simply assuming it wasn't you.
No @funkmasterp you are not the only one to spot it and think FFS – but you might be the first to have called it out. I’m just as amazed at the number of people who seem to condone her driving though.
I spotted it but the mood of the thread made me think pointing it out wouldn't go down well.
If you have to resort to personal insults to support your arguments, take a couple of minutes to think it through a bit more. Of all the things to criticise her for......
the GPS in range rovers is obviously rubbish. Coundnt find an alternative route? deary me.
I'm much more aware of the need for houses to be insulated now thanks to these protests.
lolz @: squirrelking
From the headlines today.
This is the sort of thing we're up against:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58982445
This is the sort of thing that governments can do, and which protestors in the UK are trying to push for:
The problem needs macro solutions. Only governments can do this. We as UK citizens can only influence our government, not China's.
Our government could become an international model, both practically and morally. But the opposite has happened.
Look at this thread.
It's depressing. We're a bunch of cyclists, we all love the outdoors - and we're sitting here bickering among ourselves about what, exactly? How come we can't agree?
We're hopeless. (Humans, I mean.)
Of all the things to criticise her for……
And all the more so as her weight management issues didn't appear particularly severe.
I have no idea about her promiscuity though. Presumably that reference was based on her being a woman.
Hook, line and sinker. You’ve swallowed all the narrative. If you were talking about the Tory party and their lobby group mates you might have a point.
What 'narrative'? It was a valid question. I am 100% sympathetic to the reasons why IB are protesting, just not supportive of their actions. And regarding the right to protest; we have an increasingly nasty government who really don't want anyone protesting at all, and will try to push all sorts of new legislation to prevent this; oh look, they are.
All they need, is for public opinion to swing against such protests, and they'll have their 'support'. Should we allow such a tiny minority to wilfully cause damage to what rights we have left? That's a question.
I believe this to be a load of wheelbarrow content, if you’re moving bull manure from one place to another, in a wheelbarrow.
Many people were adversely economically affected by XR protests, people who are already on low incomes and cannot afford to lose money or even their jobs. This is a fact. I personally know several people who were affected in such a manner; multiply that across a city the size of London, and you have an awful lot of people affected. So; you might chose to ignore this fact, but that's your privilege. And that's the key thing here; privilege. If you can afford to take time off work/give up your job to protest what is truly a vital issue, then more power to you. But if your actions are negatively impacting on people who enjoy less privilege than yourself, then you have to stop and reconsider what you are doing. Because ignoring them just sends the message that they don't matter, that them losing money/work is inconsequential. Trouble is; who then does all those jobs YOU rely on? Yes. That.
Even XR themselves thought such tactics were counter-productive:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/oct/20/extinction-rebellion-tube-protest-was-a-mistake
To be fair its always nice when your stereotypes are confirmed. Brash unnecessary car, driven by brash obnoxious woman.
When I first watch the clip I genuinely though she said: "I need to take my son to school he's illiterate" and my initial reaction was "well that fit's"
I was really disappointed when I watched it again and it turned out "illiterate" was "eleven"
fit’s
Oh dear 😐
If you can afford to take time off work/give up your job to protest
My friend, who is braver than I am, cannot afford to lose her job.
But she gave up her own holiday time to protest, which ended up with her in the cells (the coppers were sympathetic, by the way, but had their job to do).
Because of the nature of her job, she very nearly lost it - but was upfront and honest with her bosses, who allowed her to stay.
I couldn't have done that, but I'm glad there are people like her who are strong enough to prioritise one thing over another.
This thread is full of people talking in absolutes. We're probably all right, in some degree and from some angle.
Arguing from different poles doesn't get us anywhere.
Yes, some protests are probably counter-productive. That doesn't mean that positive action is the wrong choice, when all other avenues of protest have been removed or proven useless.
And, actually, if we're going to fix this problem, we need to get used to the idea that an awful lot of jobs are going to be lost. We find that hard to stomach.
But I think we'll all find complete climate breakdown a lot harder to get along with.
Regarding comments about the driver of the 4x4;I've done a quick skim of what I consider to be sexist, misogynist, body-shaming etc type comments on this thread, that really have absolutely no place on a forum that claims inclusivity and clearly states:
No posts, including links to other sites that are deemed to be of a sexual or distasteful nature, incite racial or sexist behaviour or are in any way discriminatory and/or offensive towards individuals or minority groups.
Yet, we have:
silly cow
Fat cow
‘slag antlers’. Love ’em
self entitled bint
obnoxious cow
The creature (typical Chafford Hundred mum)
cuprinol-tanned, fat-arsed harpies with fake nails, tits and Range Rovers – who would rather burn every hydrocarbon on earth than give up their hair straighteners / facial saunas / patio heaters
Fat cow
Bet shes even got ‘Blessed’ written across her arse crack . bit stretched now as she has developed big bone syndrome
To be fair she was well insulated, in a let’s rethink stretch clothing sort of way.
chubby chav
I'm sure there were others that have either been edited or removed, or perhaps I've missed some. Any need for any of that? I don't think so. Such comments, judgment and attitudes simply diminish a person's own arguments, and add nothing to the debate. Sure; the individual in the video doesn't appear to be a particularly nice person in that instance, but that doesn't excuse the abuse levelled at her on here or anywhere. Can we continue without shit like this, please? The forum might be a slightly nicer place if we did.
Yes, some protests are probably counter-productive. That doesn’t mean that positive action is the wrong choice
I'd call this more like negative action 🙂
Can we continue without shit like this, please? The forum might be a slightly nicer place if we did.
100% agree. I realised on the Brexit thread that a lot of remainers weren't much better than leavers, just petty tribalism, whining about what you want and flinging insults at the other side because you're annoyed. Being on the right side doesn't apparently make you a good person.
Similarly, I called her a fat cow.
Tbh I'm pissed off at the number of biffers around that are entitled, selfish, anti-mask, lazy, know all ****s.
Mrs ward is full of them none of which seem to want to do anything to help their situations, it's everyone else's fault, and the NHS should fix them.
It's not normally my nature to call her a cow, but **** it, I don't really care about people who have zero respect themselves.
And I don’t care what you make of that comment.
Singletrack's been infiltrated by the Proud Boys!
I’ve done a quick skim of what I consider to be sexist, misogynist, body-shaming etc type comments on this thread, that really have absolutely no place on a forum that claims inclusivity
Good work, and +1
Words matter, and I hope the mods think so too. Some people might have earned a quiet talking to I think.
Doubtless the paranoid anti-PC brigade would start going on about 'freedom of speech' etc; we shouldn't let ignorance erode forum standards of behaviour.
And I don’t care what you make of that comment.
Perhaps the moderators will.
Similarly, I called her a fat cow.
Tbh I’m pissed off at the number of biffers around that are entitled, selfish, anti-mask, lazy, know all *.
Mrs ward is full of them none of which seem to want to do anything to help their situations, it’s everyone else’s fault, and the NHS should fix them.
It’s not normally my nature to call her a cow, but * it, I don’t really care about people who have zero respect themselves.
So much judgment; so little self-awareness.
Perhaps the moderators will.
Maybe.
Depends if people employ 'telling tales' as a tactic to 'win'.
I'm not a big fan of the "Sir, sir, he just called Sharon a biffer" tendency, but I guess some people are.
In life - if you act like an entitled arsehole you deserve to be pilloried along whatever lines are available. Anything else is just a bit, well, snowflaky.
Words matter, and I hope the mods think so too. Some people might have earned a quiet talking to I think.
Indeed I made a comment that wasn't very nice, it got removed and I got my wrist slapped. (again)..sorry god's/mods... They do a difficult job well mostly, I think...
I made a comment that wasn’t very nice, it got removed and I got my wrist slapped.
In your defence I reckon what can happen is that we sometimes forget that we are on a public forum with a multitude of complete strangers, consequenctly we can end up talking in the same manner as we do when we are with a couple mates.
That has certainly been an issue for me in the past with sweary posts that have earned me bans.
We should be able to make the point about the entitlement and dangerous behaviour without resorting to referring to the looks or body type of the person involved. But let’s not forget that she used her vehicle to assault someone, and many here have said that was absolutely fine. Which is very concerning for everyone else sharing the roads and streets with them.
second jobs, non exec directorships ( bribe by another name) should certainly be not allowed – being an MP is a full time job and the number of MPs who give juicy contracts to firms then join them after the next election or even before for huge sums is disgusting.
Westminster is highly corrupt just the corruption is legalised and normalised
Kwarteng took a huge sum from an energy company wanting to put in a cross channel cable and is now promoting them relentlessly – thats outright corruption
large numbers of tory mps have taken money from private health firms – trust them to be impartial?
This.
And personal comments about appearance are just not on. We all have our aesthetic opinions - but we don’t need to air them.
About the original subject of the post. She used a large, heavy vehicle as a weapon. Should face a driving ban IMHO, and perhaps then forced to walk in the open - exerting herself may mean she gets an idea of air quality. Also , if as supposed earlier the vehicle is untaxed and not in roadworthy condition - seize it without compensation.
I’m sure there were others that have either been edited or removed, or perhaps I’ve missed some. Any need for any of that? I don’t think so. Such comments, judgment and attitudes simply diminish a person’s own arguments, and add nothing to the debate. Sure; the individual in the video doesn’t appear to be a particularly nice person in that instance, but that doesn’t excuse the abuse levelled at her on here or anywhere. Can we continue without shit like this, please? The forum might be a slightly nicer place if we did.
Well said.
With luck she will be dealt with by the law. We can leave personal abuse, especially around her appearance, out of it.
In your defence
I'm beyond defending!!
My comment was more to do with a reference to Viz....I should have considered how it looked without that context which may only have existed in my head!!
They do a difficult job well
+1 ... especially in these days of kulturekampf.
Tbh I’m pissed off at the number of biffers around that are entitled, selfish, anti-mask, lazy, know all *.
What about skinny entitled selfish anti-mask lazy know-all *s? What about good people who are also fat?
Why does fatness matter here?
I never at any point said all fat people are like that, or that no skinny people are, merely pointing out that the majority of selfish ****s in cars that shout at cyclists, park selfishly drive like they own the road, don't wear masks etc etc.... seem to be on the rotund side.
YMMV.
To be fair she was wearing something which made her arse look big.
If she had asked a friend she might have avoided the faux pas and escaped with less criticism from stw's social commentators.
Chav must mean something different around here. Mainly ill behaved youth from council estates dressed in sporting apparel despite never playing any sport, normally with a violent streak. Not people who tool about in Range Rovers.
Glad some folk have realised that picking on appearance isn’t really warranted. I mainly find it funny due to the fact that in a different thread there would be utter outrage at this sort of thing. Worst part is I bet most of you are fatter than she’ll ever be! 😉
Worst part is I bet most of you are fatter than she’ll ever be! 😉
I'm not!!
If you can’t have a reasonable discussion without attacking someone’s appearance then please the thread, better still leave the forum.
I’m not a big fan of the “Sir, sir, he just called Sharon a biffer” tendency, but I guess some people are.
Perhaps Rosa Parks should have just kept quiet...
In life – if you act like an entitled arsehole you deserve to be pilloried along whatever lines are available. Anything else is just a bit, well, snowflaky.
But that's exactly how you're behaving.
Still no statement from the police about this assault(Which incidentally is assault, as simply touching someone without their permission is classed as an assault under the law)
The DM and express is making her out to be Mother Theresa, and effectively justifying her actions, though in truth they're just hoping some nut job goes the whole hog and runs one of the protestors over so they can run a series of story headlines on it.
If you were to try such actions against a policeman telling you to stop, while shouting 'I've got to get my kid to school', you'd be dragged out through your broken window by your ears.
Also , if as supposed earlier the vehicle is untaxed and not in roadworthy condition – seize it without compensation.
Was not taxed yesterday, is taxed today.
About the original subject of the post. She used a large, heavy vehicle as a weapon. Should face a driving ban IMHO...
Given the potential consequences - an inch too far, she could have broken somebody's back - I think a ban should be absolute minimum.
Bit surprised at some of the comments in here to be honest.
umpah lumpah tan
For someone who is so quick to denounce so many people as racists (most of the UK population apparently) you should perhaps give your comments more thought Danny.
It seemed reasonably obvious to me that Ms Spied probably didn't have very much Anglo-Saxon heritage.
It turns out that she embraces Caribbean culture as her part of her culture.
Her African Carribbean heritage is likely to also help explain her full figure.
https://urbanyouthmag.wordpress.com/2021/02/02/urban-youth-meets-sherrilyn-speid-2/
I had learned how to cook Caribbean food as part of my culture and wanted to build on those skills to keep busy, and earn extra cash during the pandemic.
I even took part in the Black Lives Matter movement by selling my food to students at a discounted price for Black History Month, and raised money for the Black Minds Matter Charity
Well, this whole thing is a giant shit sandwich now, isn't it?
I think the DM, the Sun, the Daily Express, Metro and all the other right wing scum rags should be very careful labeling protestors as terrorists. After all, they do say that if you wish for something hard enough it can come to pass.
What we have now is drivers using their cars as weapons in the name of 'battling inconvenience'.
The problem with that is there is nothing to stop protestors using weapons as weapons in the name of defending themselves (although obviously the police will take a dimmer view of using weapons as weapons than they do of using cars as weapons).
Anyway, **** people who use their cars as weapons and **** people who defend them for doing it.
Anyway, the main point is that she is clearly an entitled and mouthy chav
I'd invite you to stay classy, but that would be a false premise.
Given the potential consequences – an inch too far, she could have broken somebody’s back – I think a ban should be absolute minimum.
Bit surprised at some of the comments in here to be honest.
This, it's attempted murder with a deadly weapon IMO.
If you did the same thing with a kitchen knife you'd be behind bars, I don't understand why theres such a disparity.
My take home from this is that if you want to bump someone off, running them over is probably the best way to do it. Your defence can simply be "oops a daisy!"
If anyone wants their preconceptions confirmed, the Range Rover driver's personal Instagram account is advertised in the article that @ernielynch posted.
Because having a car is a right. So using it to bully people is, by extension, your right. I’m sure if she ran her over she could just claim sun in her eyes, and get a £20 fine and asked politely not to do it again for 2 weeks.
Having a car is NOT a right - its a licensed activity
This, it’s attempted murder with a deadly weapon IMO.
Not really, it's assault with a deadly weapon. Kind of like waving a knife around threateningly, rather than grabbing someone and trying to slit their throat.
There clearly isn't intent to kill in this case.
Having a car is NOT a right – its a licensed activity
Maybe at some point it was treated as one, but the fact magistrates are so reluctant to ban people at 12 points eg I need my car to get to work etc, suggests that it is becoming more like right every day.
No one come out of this well. Why do protestors think it is ok to stop everyone else going about their lawful business. Yes they have the right to protest and should exercise it. Equally motorists have the right to drive down the roads and not be prevented from doing so because someone else thinks gluing themselves to the road is a good idea
Oh, she’s been on GB News. Didn’t know that.
Well that was quick, she claims to be making a stand and has supporters, she is the figurehead of the great fight back, and Noel Gallagher thinks people should be allowed to drive over them, nice.
Kind of like waving a knife around threateningly, rather than grabbing someone and trying to slit their throat.
I'd argue that this is more like holding a knife to somebody's throat with enough pressure to pose a real risk of it slicing the jugular.
There's a very fine line between a 'nudge' and serious injury, or even death here. Somebody was close to being bent double under that car, and I very much doubt the driver could even see her.
I’d invite you to stay classy, but that would be a false premise.
Very good, I'm going to use that when I get the chance.
Noel Gallagher thinks
I’m not sure that’s true. Or at least, if it is - rarely.
Having a car is NOT a right – its a licensed activity
Was my sarcasm really that subtle?
How has she not been arrested and charged for this yet? I don't understand the mechanics of it. It's clear as day. Does the law require the victim to make a complaint before it will do anything - even when the evidence is this overwhelming?
Why do protestors think it is ok to stop everyone else going about their lawful business.
What do we want?
Protests that are easy to ignore!
^^ Ha! Very true that.
Convenient, unobtrusive protests are the way to go. Or so some seem to think.
How has she not been arrested and charged for this yet? I don’t understand the mechanics of it. It’s clear as day. Does the law require the victim to make a complaint before it will do anything – even when the evidence is this overwhelming?
Legally no. But with limited resources - practically much more likely to be a priority if there is a complainant; if you were one of the dozens cyclists who uploaded videos this week would you be happy if your case was delayed for one where nobody had even complained? But no real reason to rush - it will take months to get before a court anyway. However, I think the video evidence would likely need the camera person to be a witness to say it hadn’t been edited?
If anyone wants their preconceptions confirmed, the Range Rover driver’s personal Instagram account is advertised in the article that @ernielynch posted.
Also her business website. The services she offers include "Anger management & behavioural support" and "mediation". One of the tag lines is: "Be strong enough to let go and wise enough to wait for what you deserve".
Anyone else seeing any conflicts there?
Can a person who gets up in the morning and goes and sits in the middle of a busy road with the sole intention of disrupting other peoples lives really call themselves "a victim" . . .
I remember working on "Wimpy" homes back in the 80's (Sparky). The speed with which they went up and the quality of the build, lack of insulation was just one of the issues that have no doubt come home to roost.
Convenient, unobtrusive protests are the way to go
I see the irony in that but look at it from another perspective, there and lots and lots of people out there that passionately believe in something, much of the time no where near as worthy as IB. Their passion and belief in their cause is the same as these protesters, what if they all follow suit and decide their cause is worthy of blocking traffic etc. We have the right to protest, within the scope of the law. IB are now outside of the law, we have laws to protect our democratic process otherwise everything turns into a free for all.
I don't think anyone in here has defended range rover woman's actions but the IB protesters have fallen into the trap of thinking they are above the law and they are not.
Can a person who gets up in the morning and goes and sits in the middle of a busy road with the sole intention of disrupting other peoples lives really call themselves “a victim” .
Since it's a crime to drive into people just because they're in your way, yes.
Have we not already been through this?
Convenient, unobtrusive protests are the way to go
Which is completely pointless and will have no effect
We have the right to protest[s] , within the scope of the law[/s].
FTFY
@tjagain having a sarcasm bypass or too early? 😉