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Grenadier interior
Big red Toot button
Good. About time we started to reclaim the horn for the purpose for which it is actually intended rather than something for angry road rageists to vent their anger.
I kinda like that interior, it's almost light aircraft looking. The toot button is good too
I don't know why but looking at that reminds me of my dad's old Morris Marina.
I read this first and assumed it was a photo shopped had of a few cars and an aeroplane!
Bloody awful interior that. Some of its straight out of a BMW, other bits are just awful
It's OK I think. Its a functional vehicle so got big buttons so you can operate them with chunky gloves on in case you are on some arctic expedition. Got an aircraft cockpit look about it which is cool. Its hardly a stylish good looking car anyway, function over form etc. And if they've got the BMW infotainment system in it then that is no bad thing as its considered to be one of the best out there.
Don't know what's happening to me car wise. I used to despise SUV's then the wife got one and turns out its actually a great car. Used to hate 4x4's unless it was being used as a tool by a farmer or something, but really loving the new Defender and quite like this too!
it’s almost light aircraft looking.
That centre panel is clearly supposed to give off military aircraft vibes...Christ that's so blatant, it's pathetic. A pretend airplane for fat business cows and golfists to pretend to be fighter pilots so they can get a hard on for a ****ing car.
****ers
Overreact much?
Lools like well spaced physical buttons for things, designed as a working vehicle interiors so you aren’t constantly poking at touch screens with dirty/wet hands.
I can imagine a few people being tooted when adjusting the stereo volume unless the other buttons adjust the volume of the toot to allow for Deliveroo cyclists with headphones on
Funny, I was talking to a very well known car designer about this project just yesterday.
TBH I can't help thing that this is a car without a market: big petrol/diesel 4x4 based on the idea of an old Land Rover Defender 110 with no real defining features other than it sort of looks like an old 110, coming out after Land Rover have fully updated the Defender and just as everyone else moves to full EV's...
Ineos want to make 25,000 of these a year. Its up against the new Defender, new Toyota Land Cruiser, Merc G-Wagen, Tesla Cyber Truck, the Rivian SUV etc. so I reckon it will struggle to sell 10000 globally in year one and less after that until they realise 2-3 years down the line that there is no way it can be profitable.
Still, its Radcliffe's own money being poured into the project so...
That centre panel is clearly supposed to give off military aircraft vibes…Christ that’s so blatant, it’s pathetic. A pretend airplane for fat business cows and golfists to pretend to be fighter pilots so they can get a hard on for a **** car.
Crikey. It’s just an interior style, get over it and calm down.
No ones got a gun to your head making you buy it.
I quite like the light aircraft style dash. Make the vehicle half the weight, and preferably throw an electric motor or two in, and I’m interested.
It’s OK I think. Its a functional vehicle so got big buttons so you can operate them with chunky gloves on in case you are on some arctic expedition
Surely you jest - more likely designed for someone wearing sheepskin gloves driving it in Chelsea
Lools like well spaced physical buttons for things, designed as a working vehicle interiors
None of these are ever going to be driven offroad (apart from onto a field once a year for the pony club show). They'll all spend their lives in heated garages under the Kings Road
Crikey. It’s just an interior style, get over it and calm down.
Cars don't ever have "just" a interior design, it's made to look like that to appeal to the Clarkson wannabe 50 year olds, who'll lap it up. Sorry if that's you, and it hit a nerve,.
I though the new Landrover Defender would end up being just used by people who wanted a chunkier looking Range Roel we for poncing around in, but I’ve actually seen a fair few of them on sites as working vehicles. That’s a £60-70k vehicle based on some of the specs I’ve seen. No reason to think this won’t be different, if the monthly payments are similar.
NOt sure I understand what the toot button is for. Why do they want to toot at cyclists? Are they going to expect that we pull over when they toot at us?
I appreciate I may have the wrong end of the stick completely, but it seems unecesarry to me.
Interior is ****ing awefull as well!
[i]Crikey. It’s just an interior style, get over it and calm down.
No ones got a gun to your head making you buy it.[/i]
And if they did, they would probably be driving a HiLux rather than one of these anyway 🙂
I love the look of that interior but I also don't fully understand the Toot button. What is the thinking behind it?
NOt sure I understand what the toot button is for. Why do they want to toot at cyclists? Are they going to expect that we pull over when they toot at us?
+1
Why only cyclists?
I like the center panel.
The word processor on top and the hp inkjet printer over on the right hand side are gopping
But the whole car is a bit awful....
Mind you with the big switch to ev it might soon be one of few ways to tow your digger any meaningful distance.
What is the thinking behind it?
So that angry red faced middle aged men and women can press on it repeatedly and urgently to get peasant scum to move out of their way...
A 'Get out of my way' button?
Classy.
It does seem to be a bit anti-cyclist (again maybe missing the point...) which is strange coming from the main sponsor of arguably the biggest team in the worlds biggest cycling race!!
What is the toot at cyclists for? I don't get it.
Ineos want to make 25,000 of these a year. Its up against the new Defender, new Toyota Land Cruiser, Merc G-Wagen, Tesla Cyber Truck, the Rivian SUV etc. so I reckon it will struggle to sell 10000 globally in year one and less after that until they realise 2-3 years down the line that there is no way it can be profitable.
The global 4x4 market is growing and forecast to be worth $700 BILLION by the end of the decade, so in that context the target of 25k cars a year is actually a tiny percentage of that market and not terribly ambitious after all. And its hardly competing with the G Wagon, Cyber truck or even LR defender anyway so their sales are not going to detract from the target market for the grenadier.
And Tesla? making money? They posted their first profit recently of $700m. well done....but it was off the back of $35 BILLION of revenues. Ah, not quite so good then. Must try harder Mr Musk. But these billionaires can afford their indulgences and pet projects anyway. Given enough time and money even Tesla will become a viable business and no reason why this wont. It's cheaper than a defender so more likely to be bought by farmers and the like.
The toot button is just the horn but the horn is meant to be used to alert people of your presence rather than trying to call someone a ****, so you're supposed to be used to let cyclists know you're coming up behind them if the road is narrow and you might be passing them a bit closer than you normally would. On the continent used quite alot when I've been out on my bike. At first you're paranoid that people are giving you grief but you soon get used to it and its good to know when a car is coming up behind you as you don't always hear them. Of course all that will fall on deaf ears in the UK.
so you’re supposed to be used to let cyclists know you’re coming up behind them if the road is narrow and you might be passing them a bit closer than you normally would.
To be fair they wouldn't be quite so close if that centre console wasn't 3ft wide....
Cars don’t ever have “just” a interior design, it’s made to look like that to appeal to the Clarkson wannabe 50 year olds, who’ll lap it up. Sorry if that’s you, and it hit a nerve,.
I couldn't be further from that, but carry on 😂
Based on current glass cockpits, A Tesla looks more light aircraft now 😉
Not much legroom for that middle seat, eh?
Why is a car interior causing so much angst though? Is it because of Brexit?
On the continent used quite alot when I’ve been out on my bike.
I have ridden my bike on the mainland a fair bit and never been "tooted~" at and i am very unsure of the legality of tooting at cyclists
i am very unsure of the legality of tooting at cyclists
What you mean the legality ?
The horns only there to warn others of your presence ..... How that can be done illigally during normal hours I'm not sure.
I mean sure it could progress on to driving aggressively by leaning on it ...... But a toot toot isn't that.....
If toot toot bothers you never cycle in usa Canada ,Australia or even new Zealand.
The logging trucks just hit the air horn and hold it. Seems to be universal
I've never experianced it in Europe despite some pretty lengthy cycling based holidays...
I have ridden my bike on the mainland a fair bit and never been “tooted~” at and i am very unsure of the legality of tooting at cyclists
I've not ridden in Europe much at all but I thought it was "a thing", often followed by a friendly wave and smile.
Wow
A few on here really need to get a grip.
Are you all that angry and spiteful in real life ? like to your families etc ?.
I'm am in no way a car-ist but I do like the overall look of that dash.
I also can't recall being given a friendly toot while cycling but does this imply that there is another control offering a fuller-hearted blast too?
A few on here really need to get a grip.
Are you all that angry and spiteful in real life ? like to your families etc ?
It's a Pavlov's Dogs thing. Big 4x4, shouty reaction. Thing is, if you're not first in you need to keep escalating your response or it either seems weak or is completely overlooked
I’ve never experianced it in Europe
me neither, In Canada, oh yeah, they love their air horns.
I also can’t recall being given a friendly toot while cycling but does this imply that there is another control offering a fuller-hearted blast too?
Yeah it's weird IMO. Surely it's a nod to the fact that the manufacturer (kind of) owns a cycling team. So an in-cabin reminder not to be an arse to cyclists is welcome. But the horn? Really?
I guess it could be seen as a bit insulting to cyclists, but frankly putting a picture of a bike on the steering wheel has got to be good for subliminally keeping drivers thinking about bicycle awareness. I'd prefer to be tooted at than run over.
Ineos Grenadier gives cyclists a Toot
I know there have been rumours and all but if a cycle race team was going to take up an organised drug programme for their riders I don't think that would be my drug of choice.
So an in-cabin reminder not to be an arse to cyclists is welcome. But the horn? Really?
Yeah, it's so very obviously not going to be interpreted as that by the sorts of folk who think about owning this car (and for whom, we all know, is not going to be a "working vehicle") There's going to be a serious amount of folk who will see this as a special "get out of my way" horn made for cyclists Christ, I can even hear Clarkson saying it...
It's a sort of good idea I guess that really shouldn't have ever got out of whatever meeting room it was dreamt up in, after they all realised what it would actually be used for.
so you’re supposed to be used to let cyclists know you’re coming up behind them if the road is narrow and you might be passing them a bit closer than you normally would.
But you shouldn't be passing a bit closer than you normally would.
The Spanish/French ride we did had a few tooters, and you can tell from the length of toot that it's a friendly one not an angry one. Useful on bendy mountains.
the hp inkjet printer over on the right hand side
I can't un-see that now!
You didn't even post the craziest picture.
Look at all those buttons on the roof!
Awful looking, in an interesting way, but if those roof panels also mean ejector seats then I'm all in 😉
A pretend airplane for fat business cows and golfists to pretend to be fighter pilots...
I do miss Saab.
I don’t know why but looking at that reminds me of my dad’s old Morris Marina.
<Jilly Goulden Voice>I'm getting hints of 1980s Amstrad stereo units, a whiff of a mid 2010s Ipod docking station and subtle overtones of Mercedes G-wagens.
Thing with that interior is, very much like the new defender, it just looks cheap.
I'll give you different, and that to some will be good, personally I think it's bloody awful, but it does just look cheap and tacky.
That centre panel is clearly supposed to give off military aircraft vibes…Christ that’s so blatant, it’s pathetic. A pretend airplane for fat business cows and golfists to pretend to be fighter pilots so they can get a hard on for a **** car.
Spot on, actually. That really is what it is. An affirmation-mobile for insecurity and inadequacy. Unsurprising then, that it'll appeal to quite a few on this forum then...
Toot! If you're Gammon
GIT...button as in Get In The gutter
But you shouldn’t be passing a bit closer than you normally would.
I think we can all probably accept that sometimes <1.5m is still perfectly safe.
If you stopped on a country lane and jumped into the hedge they'd still be within 1.5m 🤣
Or I might be misunderstanding the earlier post and "normally would" is the full four wheels in the other lane textbook overtake, and "closer" is the 1.5m minimum.
Seems a good idea, the motoring equivalent of ringing your bell for walkers, who I definitely don't give a 1.5m clearance to! On an averagely busy A-road, you can't hear cars behind you over the wind and other traffic noises so a little toot/bell before they come past would be quite welcome.
On an averagely busy A-road, you can’t hear cars behind you over the wind and other traffic noises so a little toot/bell before they come past would be quite welcome.
Not to me its not. to me its a "get out of my way pleb" signal and I know exactly where every car is around me without anyone using a horn
Using the horn behind every cyclist is not in accordance with the highway code IMO and is dangerous ( scares folk and they wobble) and frankly unpleasant ( hurts my ears)
Anyone who toots their horn behind my is a nasty barsteward
Ugly looking vehicle. Looks to me like Dutton version of a Defender.
I think we can all probably accept that sometimes <1.5m is still perfectly safe.
Nope - anything less than 1.5 m is automatically dangerous. Thats why its the minimum safe passing width
Switches on the roof.
I'm in.
Seems a good idea, the motoring equivalent of ringing your bell for walkers
But with just a moments consideration and thought, you can tell it's not going to be used for that...A big red button with a bicycle on it in a car interior that's been designed to look like a military jet or helicopter...C'mon.
Have they got it placed in the next Bond film?
Those overhead controls would be awesome for launching heat-seeking missiles or deploying smokescreens etc.
Are there two horns? A full fat one for attracting the attentions of motorists and a friendlier toot one for attracting the attention of cyclists/pedestrians?
Garmin's radar doofer seems popular for riders wanting a heads up that a vehicle is approaching and this would seem to have a similar function.
Not to me its not. to me its a “get out of my way pleb” signal and I know exactly where every car is around me without anyone using a horn
Using the horn behind every cyclist is not in accordance with the highway code IMO and is dangerous ( scares folk and they wobble) and frankly unpleasant ( hurts my ears)
Anyone who toots their horn behind my is a nasty barsteward
If only there was a "toot" button rather than a "nasty barsteward horn".
Nope – anything less than 1.5 m is automatically dangerous. Thats why its the minimum safe passing width
Flying past at 60 on an A-road, yes, and still terifying.
Queenie (or more likely the groundskeepers or polo horse lorries) coming past at 15mph on the narrow estate roads in Windsor Park, not in the slightest bit scary or "close" feeling.
and I know exactly where every car is around me without anyone using a horn
Yes, but you're a ninja. The rest of us with more average spatial awareness still sometimes even get surprised by a HGV overtaking if it's a windy day or busy road.
How many road rage incidents will be triggered by inadvertently 'tooting' when all you wanted to do was turn up your favourite Coldplay track?
You need to concentrate more and work on your awareness tinas if you are being surprised by HGVs passing. I look behind me every 20 - 30 seconds
On the continent used quite alot when I’ve been out on my bike.
I have ridden my bike on the mainland a fair bit and never been “tooted~” at and i am very unsure of the legality of tooting at cyclists
A pass at low speed, when both driver and rider are alert, can be way less than 1.5M and also safe.
Riding twisty narrow roads in the Spanish mountains, expect to be close passed all the time, with a toot, not an aggressive blast. It's normal.
In the UK, maybe not so much...
Different mentality towards bikes in general though innit.
That centre panel is clearly supposed to give off military aircraft vibes…Christ that’s so blatant, it’s pathetic. A pretend airplane for fat business cows and golfists to pretend to be fighter pilots so they can get a hard on for a **** car.
Spot on, actually. That really is what it is. An affirmation-mobile for insecurity and inadequacy. Unsurprising then, that it’ll appeal to quite a few on this forum then…
Toot! If you’re Gammon
**** me, what a couple of fun sponges.
A pass at low speed, when both driver and rider are alert, can be way less than 1.5M and also safe.
Nope - its never safe Hit a pothole and wobble when a car is passing you need that i.5 metres. Its a buffer for unexpected events
Riding twisty narrow roads in the Spanish mountains, expect to be close passed all the time,
never been close passed in a lot of european riding - but then I ride assertively, claim my space on the road and I control when someone passes on narrow twisty roads
Riding twisty narrow roads in the Spanish mountains, expect to be close passed all the time,
Nope - the vast majority of drivers I've ever met while riding in Spain (and France) have been super courteous. Way more polite and considerate than all but the absolute best of British drivers.
Partly, they just know how to drive around cyclists. Partly, the laws there are actually enforced and cyclists are (a) better protected under law and (b) not seen as some sort of sub-human scum. The roads are far better too.
I have ridden my bike on the mainland a fair bit and never been “tooted~” at and i am very unsure of the legality of tooting at cyclists
Seriously? It's pretty common in France IME - a quick pip on the horn from drivers approaching from behind. Once I mentally adjust to not thinking that they're being aggressive, I think it works quite well.
**** me, what a couple of fun sponges.
What reason then to design your car to look like a military plane's cockpit, other to appeal to section of men, who don't, quite frankly, need any more encouragement to drive like entitled bell-ends, but now sub-consciously will, because they're having Tom Clancy fantasies.
If they want to pretend to be a rescue helo pilot on a dangerous mission to land on a carrier in the middle of the Atlantic, there's always the X-box. Rather than the unlit B783668 which I might have to unfortunately share with them
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nickc
Full MemberWhat reason then to design your car to look like a military plane’s cockpit, other to appeal to section of men, who don’t, quite frankly, need any more encouragement to drive like entitled bell-ends, but now sub-consciously will, because they’re having Tom Clancy fantasies.
If they want to pretend to be a rescue helo pilot on a dangerous mission to land on a carrier in the middle of the Atlantic, there’s always the X-box. Rather than the unlit B783668 which I might have to unfortunately share with them
Doubled down on it as well, nice.
Lemon sucking fun sponge.
Are there two horns? A full fat one for attracting the attentions of motorists and a friendlier toot one for attracting the attention of cyclists/pedestrians?
What if the toot button is the same horn that TdF vehicles use - that weird multi-toned klaxon thing?
Or maybe it just blasts out Tour de France by Kraftwerk.
I look behind me every 20 – 30 seconds
At 60mph that's still half a mile.
You need to concentrate more and work on your awareness tinas
And I find this hard to reconcile with your dislike/inability to ride in groups on the road because you don't like other riders in close proximity.
Also the fact that calling out "car back" is a thing in groups suggests I'm not the only one in the world that can't hear a vehicle a long way back over the noise of the wind/bikes.
Oh dear, I gave some cyclists a little warning toot on a road they may not have expected cars to frequent when I was going through the peak district last weekend.
I gave them a toot toot and of encouragement as they were labouring away uphill once I'd safely passed too. I must be a complete arse.
Maybe it is a very friendly little toot?
They seem quite cycle friendly?
https://ineosgrenadier.com/en-gb/explore/ineos-grenadier-partners
And I find this hard to reconcile with your dislike/inability to ride in groups on the road because you don’t like other riders in close proximity.
Its a part of the same thing. the only person that is responsible for my safety is me. never rely on anyone else.
I don't expect to hear them. I look behind every 20 - 30 seconds and at every obstacle like junctions, parked cars etc.
What if the toot button is the same horn that TdF vehicles use – that weird multi-toned klaxon thing?
FIAMM manufacture them, unfortunately, they don't pass the MOT
https://www.hornwarehouse.com/tourhorns/Tour-horn-12v
Nope – its never safe Hit a pothole and wobble when a car is passing you need that i.5 metres. Its a buffer for unexpected events
The other issue with your black and white worldview is most road* lanes aren't 3m wide (IIRC the 'standard' for a white line dividing the center is 2.4m in each direction but I can't find a reference for that). So if you're adopting a primary position then there aren't 1.5m of clearance to the other lane on most UK roads unless the cyclist moves into the gutter.
*of the types you'd actually want to ride on, excluding modern, fast, purpose-built A-roads.
I do hope the toot button sounds like noddy or post man pat's horn.
FIAMM manufacture them, unfortunately, they don’t pass the MOT
I don't suppose it's a problem if its separate from the horn though.
I look behind every 20 – 30 seconds and at every obstacle like junctions, parked cars etc.
You must have the most supple of necks, almost owl like.😉😊🦉
Me, I would be getting a bar mirror and save on all that swivel action.
No person on a bike would fail to realise that there's a massive brick of a vehicle behind them - therefore this is not helpful to the average bike rider, I bet not one single person at Ineos has actually though to ask someone like ChrisBoardman or Will Norman if this is a good idea or not
Its got a handbrake. How quaint
No person on a bike would fail to realise that there’s a massive brick of a vehicle behind them
And yet I regularly see cyclists pull out into traffic with not the slightest glance behind them.
They posted their first profit recently of $700m. well done….but it was off the back of $35 BILLION of revenues. Ah, not quite so good then. Must try harder Mr Musk
Now why on earth would they be wanting to make a profit ? You have to pay taxes on them, don't you know..... Grrr
Better to have massive reinvestment and make your money off of the share price increase ... also see Amazon !!
There's so much rambling, impotent hostility in this thread.
If I don't know better I'd say some people didn't approve of a 50 grand, 2.5 tonne, fossil fuel powered, 4x4 which will doubtless be piloted* by aggro man children.
Let and let live dudes.
*deliberate use of the word pilot