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Apologies in advance for rant. Probably correct use of capitals/punctuation and not enough random exclamation marks for a proper one though.
We've just come back from a weekend in Devon, camping, which was lovely, but marred by two occasions on the same day where dogs, entirely unprovoked, went after my seven-year-old son.
The first was at South Milton Sands. We'd gone to meet up with some family friends* who happened to be in the area. A good time was had by all, and we ended up playing a group game of beach cricket, until one of the dads (not me!) sent the ball up over the dune/cliffs. My son had been keeping wicket, in a very seven-year-old way of being easily distracted and fascinated by turns at rocks, shells, seaweed and whatever caught his eye. When the ball got hoicked over the cliff, we turned to see where it was for a moment, and he carried on his inspection of the surrounding area. He was never more than 6 feet away from us. However, he suddenly screamed and we turned around and there was a black terrier dog chasing him. He was screaming and crying and the xxxx thing was nipping at him, and even bit him on his backside as I ran over to him. The owners were a good 50ft away and clearly had no idea what their dog was up to, only being alerted to my shouts to scare the dog away. There was no attempt to apologise - indeed, they didn't even stand up to see what the fuss was about. My son was distraught, as you'd expect a seven-year-old who'd just been bitten by a dog to be. Thankfully it was only a nip, so no physical damage done.
We went back to the campsite, calmed him down, and got on with the rest of the day. A few hours later we went to North Sands in Salcombe, just before we were due to go to the restaurant there for supper. As we were a bit early, we went for a walk on the beach. And guess what?
Again, another ****ing dog went for him completely unprovoked. This time a black and white terrier thing - owners again 50+ feet away, goes straight for him, nipping at his heels. I ran over again to try and shoo it away, but it was having none of it. Owner shouting it's name completely ineffectually but not bothering to try and come over and stop it. In the end I resorted to swatting it away with the shoes I was carrying, which prompted a threat from its owner. By this time my son was completely hysterical and had wet himself with fear - utterly inconsolable and shaking. When I (angrily, I admit) remonstrated with the owner, I was told apparently it was my son's fault for not knowing "how to deal with dogs", or our fault, for having come to "a dog beach" (rather than, as I understood it, a public beach).
I am now lying awake, still furious at the sheer [gittishness] of these entitled ****tards who think their dog's interests are paramount. I am sick to death of constantly having to fend off dogs when we're out for walk while their owners croon "it's fine, they're only friendly" or when some muddy hound jumps up as I'm walking to work in a suit "they're only saying hello". I'm sick of the barking of the new neighbours' two dogs at the front who spend their waking hours in a garden no bigger than my front room, and go mental if I have the temerity to walk out my own front door and down my garden path. I'm sick to the eye teeth of the chunts at the back who have two dogs which go spare if I have the temerity to walk to my garage to get my bike out.
In short, I am sick of this culture where dog owners' interests outweigh the rest of us. I have no issue with well-trained dogs, but sadly they seem to be in the very small minority these days.
Sorry for this (probably sub-standard) rant.
*To put into context, said friends had a dog with them, which was well behaved, came when called and was kept in sight at all times.
That's a properly shit day you've had there. I can only sympathise and agree.
I was told apparently it was my son's fault for not knowing "how to deal with dogs", or our fault, for having come to "a dog beach" (rather than, as I understood it, a public beach).
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[/img]Either of those two dogs would have been sent packing with a toe in the bollocks if that had been my kid!
And as for the dickhead owners with a sense of entitlement carrying its own postcode, I'm not sure I'd have been able to maintain your level of restraint; I admire your self-control, I really do.
Perhaps it might be an idea to buy one of those Jif Lemon juice things that you squirt onto pancakes, and in future squirt the animal with it; it'll certainly distract it a fair bit, and maybe use it on the owners as well if they kick off...
you should have executed the dogs there and then.
I agree, its unacceptable behaviour by the dog owners.
However, I'd gently suggest that perhaps you could help avoid this traumatic experience turning into a long term fear by finding a friend, or a local STWr with a well trained dog and introducing your son.
If he has the confidence to not run away (because let's face it, it's impossible to outrun a dog at that age) and perhaps shout or shoo the dog away if it's not wanted, that would help in the future. If he runs, the dog is much less likely to obey it's owners calls because it's having great fun chasing something (whether playfully or aggressively)
I am the owner of and love dogs in general, however both those dogs would have received a volley to the head regardless of the owner. My dog is a bastid with other dogs and would fight to the death with some but not others and for that reason he is under control all the time. Makes me laugh when idiot owners let their dogs run up to him after repeated warnings about how not to let their dogs do so. Some people are just downright self entitled and it's probably the same ****s who pull out in front of you when driving.
As above sorry to hear about your son bit contact with some good dogios sooner rather than later would be a good thing.
The owners are clearly at fault here. Our dog is pretty soft and loves kids, but we went to the 2nd beach you mentioned (isn't that where there's a nice beach cafe with a BBQ?) and I was paranoid about keeping her close to me and leaving kids alone.
Molly wouldn't ever bite children - but if they run away she thinks they want to play and chases them. A great game unless you don't want to be chased by a dog! Even if you call her you can't guarantee she'll stop chasing - but then I wouldn't be 50 yards away doing nothing about it. You'd be within your rights to swat her away with shoes in my mind.
I second the thought of getting your little boy to spend some time with friendly dogs. My mates boys (6 and 3)Were really nervous of dogs so they've been coming round to see Molly and spend some time playing with her. Made sure they know how to tell the dog to get down if she jumps up etc.
Section 2, I think, of the Dangerous Dogs Act. A dog must be under control (not necessarily on a lead) at all times in a public place.
It's pretty ****ing simple.
Both those incidents as described fall under the Dangerous Dogs Act - prosecution for the owners and possible destruction of the dog.
There seems to be a thing about dogs and beaches a bit like small children and supermarkets
You have my sympathies, awful for your son and for your family. I'm fairly sure i would have kicked the first dog into the sea and probably done the same to the second.
I have a very strong memory of being chased by a dog when I was young (and a goose actually, not at the same time !) and I remember my frustration/terror at the owner doing exactly as you describe. Gits!
Molly wouldn't ever bite children
Sounds familiar. 🙄
Too many dogs around that are treated like babies, and left to roam as they please.
Agree with dispatching the big boot into it's baws.
An experience yesterday while out on a ride. Descending down a hill shortly to go up and I see and entire family strung across a country road with a dog weaving back and forth.
Half way down and they haven't moved. May heads now saying "surely they've seen me, right? (My kit is bright red/white). No movement, dog still scampering about.
50m away with m,y hands on the brake the two kids saunterer over to the verge and I'm already thinking - someone will control the dog, right?
But now. I come to halt in the middle of the road with 2 adults taking up the right lane and the dog "eagerly" yapping around my cleats as it headed straight for the bike. A conversation ensure where I point out that they are on a main road with a vehicle approaching and they've not only endangered themselves but have a dog out of control in front of the vehicle. But no, apparently the dog has "...every right to run around freely in the countryside..."
Tossers.
Sounds rubbish OP, luckily I've only had one such run in with our toddler on the beach. Dog was way out of control running around my child then tried to grab the spade off her which resulted in me stamping on spade to stop dog running off it. The owners went mental because from a distance they thought I'd booted their dog. Frank exchange was had on the verge of violence, luckily the old boy was fat and slow.
We've got a lot of beaches round our way and it is a big issue. Saw a belter last week - out of control dog pished in someones little kiddie shelter thing. The owners weren't too fussed - little tiddles only wanted to play after all! Asshats.
I hate walking our dogs on beaches, it seems most dog owners think dog ownership rules don't apply on beaches and can let their dog roam and be a pain in the @rse for sensible/responsible dog owners and the general public at large.
Feel sorry that the OP's boy has had to experience this, it makes all dogs/owners look bad when we're not. Hope your boy and you have a positive doggy experience soon.
As said dangerous dogs act but it MUST be reported as until it is reported the owners will not have had a black mark against the dog so know the dog is relatively safe if the dog had already been reported they would have taken it a lot more seriously(probably would have been on a lead) Sorry to sound harsh but you not reporting it makes you part of the problem as the dog will continue to chase small children and owners maintain their self entitlement. My dog was attacked this year by a staffie and I was swithering about reporting it then spoke to a colleague who told me his dog had been attacked by another dog he did not report it as the dog 'had never done this before' only to find out from others a few weeks later the dog had on more than one occasion, staffie got reported so at least its on councils radar (and the owners will know this).
Sounds like you have had a s**t day of it.
It would seem you are not a dog person, body language could be causing them to react to you in a way you don't want. Swatting at a dog with a shoe will most likely excite the animal possibly may scare, nether will calm the situation at best it will think it's some sort of game of chase and make it even harder for the owner to regain control.
Try talking to your neighbours about get to know their dogs and help the dogs to learn that not reacting to you will be a good thing, read about Positive reinforcement training. It might make your and the neighbours life a little more pleasant.
If your lad has been bitten, I;d be reporting it to the police. Dangerous dog.
As others have said above, that's properly crap for your son.
I had a similar experience (in a field) with one dog when I was 6 and it made me wary of dogs for a very long time. I'm still nervous round unfamiliar dog now and have had two run-ins with uncontrolled dogs in the last year which is bringing old fears back. However many owners say "It's ok, hes just being friendly!" it doesn't make my instincts any better. Definitely report the incident as the authorities need to know what is happening so that they can do something about it. It's usually down to useless owners that the dogs themselves.
Watch your boy to make sure he doesn't get anxious round dogs you know in the next few weeks, if he does then look at ways of changing this.
body language could be causing them to react to you in a way you don't want
Christ, we get the doggy mind readers, who [i]know[/i] that their wee bundle of fun won't bite, now we have the doggy psychologits as well! 😆
It would seem you are not a dog person
bit of blaming the victim in your post there. Why should people have to be a dog person or get to know how to handle/react with dogs. It is not their responsibility to do that.
I am a dog person and have dogs but they are very small dogs (1.5kg) and they get the same hassle from dogs with irresponsible owners who can't recall their dogs, don't care what their dogs are doing etc,.
The owners simply do not care and I will never trust how their dog is going to behave.
There's 2 sides to this.
1. The dog owners are well out of order failing to control their dogs. I'm the owner of a Working Cocker and there is no way he will be off-lead on a crowded beach area. Down in the surf away from families, yes, but not in the "balls & picnics" zone. That's far too much remptation.
However, you can't change the world, so:
2. Your lad definitely needs some positive dog experiences, and also how to look after himself with a jumpy dog. Whilst of course it wasn't his fault, dogs normally see the "raised hands child defence" as an invitation to jump up.
Not victim blaming, most people on the thread have already commented about the poor behaviour of the dog owners.
I was referring to the dogs locally to his home. If there is an issue with something locally then isn't it beneficial to all to help resolve it.
If the dog is actually attacking your kid you are well within your rights to kick it as hard as you like.
Section 2, I think, of the Dangerous Dogs Act. A dog must be under control (not necessarily on a lead) at all times in a public place.It's pretty **** simple
If the dog is actually attacking your kid you are well within your rights to kick it as hard as you like.
+1.
I've kicked one dog who went for my daughter, and wouldn't think twice about doing it again.
AS far as I'm concerned dogs in public places should be either on a lead, or properly trained/under control.
If your kid had been a sheep in a field, you would have been in your rights to shoot the dog. I'd have no qualms about booting the dog. I have neither kids or dogs BTW.
Sorry to hear this OP, hope your son is okay. Too many uncontrolled dogs around. I see so many people being dragged down the street by their dogs because they have no control. Christ knows what the same dogs are like when off the lead.
I have complete sympathy with you - it is incredible how some dog owners are utterly clueless.
We have 2 dogs and frequently encounter other dog owners who think it's perfectly acceptable to let their dog annoy others. One of ours is a bit reactive to unknown dogs and is kept on a lead 99.9% of the time - the number of times we've asked people to call their dogs away and they simply ignore a reasonable request - yappy terriers in particular. Like in all walks of life, there are d!ckheads and sadly some own dogs too...
But as others have commented, creating a positive dog experience for your son will also benefit - dogs find it hard to differentiate between a child running for fun or from fear. Knowing how to react is a good life skill regardless.
Obviously, kicking a dog is likely to result in a reaction from the owner - so worth considering your options carefully
[quote=sargey2003 ]I have complete sympathy with you - it is incredible how some dog owners [s]are utterly clueless.[/s] feel totally entitled
It's not that they don't have a clue (well they probably don't, but it's not the principle issue), but that they don't think they have any responsibility.
[quote=dovebiker ]Obviously, kicking a dog is likely to result in a reaction from the owner - so worth considering your options carefully
That certainly wouldn't stop me - having considered my options I'd be ready to call the police depending on how the owner reacted.
I had an experience where a dog was jumping up at my two year old who clearly didn't like it, the owner was only 10ft away, apparently asking someone to "please can you control your dog" was considered rude. Apparently if I don't let a dog jump at my boy he will become a "pansy and will be weak for the rest of his life" said by some old dear. Some choice words were exchanged, ending with me telling her to **** off or her dog was going in the sea with her following. She ruined my day no end.
Nobeer - our dog has a lot of contact with children as we've got a 6 month old baby and most of our friends have children of ages from baby to 11 years old. Whilst we never leave the dog alone with babies / very small children we happily see her in the garden playing with our friends children (although they're always in sight of an adult). So whilst I can never guarantee the dog won't bite them it's fairly unlikely.
Also, our dog is a pathetic small fur ball - she's not going to rip someone's arm off.
And to add when she's off the lead she's always fairly close to me - I don't let her wander off / go where she likes. I've taken her on a number of dog training courses and reinforced the learnings in day to day life making sure she stays as disciplined as possible. But she is still only 1.5 years old so quite excitable - as are people's children when young!
When on the above beach I headed for the far right hand ride Down near the water where there were just a couple of other dogs playing and no kids.
I may have just been trolled / whooshed - but I don't consider myself a selfish dog person!
It would seem you are not a dog person, body language could be causing them to react to you in a way you don't want
this sort of comment makes my piss boil.
I like dogs, its the owners i hate for the reasons in the OP's post. I really feel sorry for you and hope that you can cheer your boy up!
Joe, I wish all dog owners were as responsible as you sound.
If the dog is actually attacking your kid you are well within your rights to kick it as hard as you like
+1 again, I don't have kids and I love dogs, but I'd have given it a proper kick to protect my/any kid.
My dog is a rescue and is loads more sociable than he was when I got him. He is brilliant at recall when at training classes and at home but he is easily distracted so I don't let him off the lead in public places as he would see something and just run, not even thinking about people traffic etc.
He comes off lead in a local paddock and has a good run and I jog with him in the fields.
With him being a rescue, I don't know what has happened to him previously.
Really sorry to read this, OP.
It's a thing that really annoys me. I grew up with dogs, I'm quite used to them but equally many people get quite rightly freaked when a strange dog is behaving aggressively, or overly playfully around them. Dogs need a functioning social hierarchy, some breeds are better than others in this respect, but there are too many owners who treat their dog as a mini-human and don't understand that their dogs will be aggressive and uncontrollable if they see themselves as challenging for the pack leader role.
Only the other week, I was out on my bike on a bridleway when I was approached by an excitable dog. The owner called out to me to watch out for it, as it "wasn't good with bikes" apparently. People are incredulous when you suggest that such a dog ought to be on a lead when on a bridleway or byway. A few years back, I was almost knocked into a canal by a dog chasing a ball thrown by the owner. I remonstrated with them to use some common sense, to be told that I "wasn't on a bike path", despite being stood next to a sign that stated the exact opposite. Again, the owner was at the obnoxious end of the stupidity spectrum.
But it's a whole different matter if an uncontrollable dog harasses a small child. I do agree that the incidents that the OP has described should be reported to the relevant authorities.
I would have kicked/hit the dog as hard as I needed if it was going after a small child. Absolutely abysmal behaviour from the owners and I am not sure I could have been as calm as the OP.
Anyone defending the people who owned the dogs which went after the OP's son needs to take a long hard look at themselves and stop being selfish idiots.
Having grown up with a dog (which I loved) in our house I have gone completely the opposite side now and I simply cannot stand them or their owners. I HATE the way owners think they and their dogs are something special, that they can be treated differently and that a weapon like a dog can do what it likes and everyone else has to cope. Sick of poo on tracks and paths, sick of yappity pieces of crap nipping at me and my friends/kids.
Should go the same way as firearms, licence needed for ownership and anything remotely dangerous needing regular checks and a good reason why you need one.
+1 for the kicking. Really feel for your son, OP, not a nice thing to happen at all. I still don't trust dogs after a (very) minor incident when I was 7-8ish.
You doggy people out there, with your "he's very friendly, really" comments need to bear in mind that your animal's mouth and teeth are a sh1t load closer to little people's head/faces than ours, and even a small dog "being friendly" on its back legs will end up with its snout right in a 4-8 year old's face.
It would seem you are not a dog person, body language could be causing them to react to you in a way you don't want.
You sir, are an idiot. No winky face either.
Some real anti dog feeling on here - but I feel the blame lies firmly with irresponsible owners out there.
The other day I saw someone's dog poo and the owner just walk past it - I have to admit I find that gross so I asked them nicely if they were going to pick it up (it's a playing field behind our house).
They looked a bit angry with me but they did go back and bag it up. Lazy!
This is refreshing to get such a consensus for once, bar an idiot or two, but is this because its a child rather than an adult? Would anyones' view have changed had it been the OP on his bike and getting nipped?
I suspect that we'd be hearing more MTFU comments, when this discussion has really highlighted the need for control rather than any particular outcome.
For me, both dogs, kick in the balls (or slats). In those circumstances you simply wouldn't be thinking "I wonder if Fido will think this is a game" when I despatch its nuts into the sea.
If you cant control a dog, it shouldn't be off lead, end of story.
I wouldn't condone hoofing a dog in a slats, I've seen someone do this when a dog ran near him, he thought it was being aggressive but didn't notice the massive ball whizz past him, he booted the dog and got smashed in the face by the owner. Not right on any account.
I hope your son is ok, I agree with some positive dog meetings with a hope [b]not[/b] to create a resentment or fear of dogs in the future.
Owners need to be far more respectful of other people when walking dogs, not everyone likes/loves them.
Sorry to sound harsh but you not reporting it makes you part of the problem
I agree with the sentiment, but how does that work in practice?
"Hello Mr(s) Complete Stranger, can I have your name and address so I can report your dog as being dangerous?"
"No."
"Erm..."
This is a great one. When my missus has the kids she looks after down at the beach, when dogs come sniffing around stealing the kids food or pissing on their beach toys, it's her fault for being on a dog beach.a dog beach
I guess you take fotos and call the police straight away? I would.
Also I do not think it is your responsibility to make your kid "dog friendly", if a dog misinterprets your kids hand signals that means the dog is not under control. Dogs should not be allowed to just wander around and jump up on anyone.
However, it might make sense to habituate the kid with dogs so he can prevent them hassling him by being more dominant.
Having a "positive" experience of dogs, unfortunately doesn't stop some of their owners from being entitled a holes though.
Like the OP I'm fed up with dog owners who can't control Their dogs, sadly becoming more common
you should have executed the dogs there and then.
You joke, but I got chased and bitten by a small dog while out running and it took every shred of self-control not to beat it to death with a handy brick.
So given you had the additional threat of having your young son in danger I think that your response was incredibly reasonable.
Don't be afraid to call the police in these circumstances.
[i]but I feel the blame lies firmly with irresponsible owners out there.[/i]
Obvious statement is obvious.
I've had my (big, black) dog staying over the weekend. Got to take her over the nearby fields, short walk there and there's dog shit every 10 feet on the way there. Left right in the middle of the paths. This ain't the dogs' fault.
Neighbours have a dog that howls and barks at regular intervals throughout the day. Also not the dog's fault.
Some people are pathetic, filthy, scum, who shouldn't be allowed to own dogs, some aren't.
What can you do (apart from rant on the internet)?
agree with the sentiment, but how does that work in practice?"Hello Mr(s) Complete Stranger, can I have your name and address so I can report your dog as being dangerous?"
"No."
"If you don't give me your details I'm going to kill your dog to prevent it attacking anyone else."
Probably won't work if they're bigger than you.
We were out yesterday and got run at by 2 big dogs (not interested in breed, but big). The owners tittered, and said, they're ok. When I suggested they should be a on a lead as they clearly weren't under control - the language changed to **** **** ****ing **** ****.
"Hello Mr(s) Complete Stranger, can I have your name and address so I can report your dog as being dangerous?""No."
"Erm..."
Had an incident a while back in Rivington. Was riding along and a border collie came running up to me and started nipping at my foot on the pedal. The owners came into view and I shouted that if your dog bites me one more time, I'll kick it. while cycling past, the bloke mumbles "I'll kick you then mate". Pulls on brakes circles round and said "tell you what, i'll follow you back to your car, get your reg and report you for having a dangerous dog, how about that."
Finally got an apology out of them.
Some right internet hard men on here!!
LOL
The dog's attacking a 7 year old, in my book the OP had every right to use as much force as he could muster stop that happening.Nobeerinthefridge - Member
Joe, I wish all dog owners were as responsible as you sound.
I appreciate that you're saying that jokingly..but it does seem that in today's society if you stand up for yourself you're in the wrong and people become indignant!Some right internet hard men on here!!
LOL
Sounds like a pretty shit time for you mate. Really feel for you. I'm not sure how I would react in that situation if my children were threatened.
Anyway, you made sure your child was safe first. You did the right thing and the important thing. Everything else is secondary.
anagallis_arvensis - Member
Some right internet hard men on here!!
LOL
Care to explain?
This is refreshing to get such a consensus for once, bar an idiot or two, but is this because its a child rather than an adult? Would anyones' view have changed had it been the OP on his bike and getting nipped?
[url= http://singletrackmag.com/forum/topic/dog-owners-grr ]Seems so...[/url]
Sympathise entirely with the OP.
I like dogs and don't have a problem with them. But, dickhead owners who don't care what their dogs are doing boil my piss.
My little girl is nearly three. Dog owners don't seem to appreciate that their friendly Labrador is the size of a grizzly bear to a toddler.
She was playing in a big rhododendron on Sunday (it had a little path through it). She went in one side and a Labrador went in the other. She felt trapped by the huge dog and screamed, I had to crawl into the rhododendron and pull her out. I shouted at the owner to control their dog but they paid no heed.
Owner didn't say a word, not to me, not to my daughter and not to their dog. I felt a full blow rant coming on but thought better of it, there is little point in arguing with the terminally ignorant.
We take her out on local walks where we know there are lots of dogs and most owners are very friendly and patient and we encourage her to interact with the dogs so she isn't sacred but clueless owners like the one on Sunday are sadly on the increase.
As the (hopefully) responsible owner of two large dogs (one Briard; one OES) I'm entirely on the OP's side here. My two are never more than 10 feet from my side when off the lead and I'd not let them roam free where there were small children or balls to chase. Idiot owners both of them.
If the worst happens; and one of them did something similar; I'd expect them to get a kicking off someone and I'd be deeply apologetic as it would clearly be my fault for failing to keep them under control.
I'm sorry for your son; it's not nice to have a fear of dogs.
Agree with every word OP. The air of entitlement of some dog owners really annoys me.
My 6 year-old daughter got knocked over by a dog on the way to school last year, and the dozy cow who'd let it off the lead seemed most confused by my anger as she explained that it was 'just being friendly'.
Earlier this year, also on the school grounds, I had a disagreement with another self-entitled idiot who let their dog stand in the middle of the school gate so my kids couldn't get past. They squeezed past it, and I sarcastically said 'don't bother moving your dog then' to which she genuinely replied 'Well they were in his way too'...!
Thankfully dogs are now banned from school premises.
If you cant control a dog, it shouldn't be off lead, end of story.
That's the point I was trying to make.
My dog can either be a complete sweetheart when out and about, or can be a nightmare as anything can set him off so that's why he doesn't come off the lead in public areas. The Dog Trainers have said this is the best thing to do.
I had the opposite happen a while ago. I'm doing as much socialisation as possible with him and I took him to a beach that we hadn't been to before. Since my other Lab died, he has always looked at Black Labs and got excited as the trainers reckon he thinks it's the one who died.
Saw a black lab and my dog started to pull towards it so I held him firm on his harness. The owner of the black lab, which was off lead layed into me saying I'm cruel for having on a lead. I explained he was training, had no recall and was a rescue and she called me a cruel *******
Her dog then legged it off as she screamed after it..........
"If you don't give me your details I'm going to kill your dog to prevent it attacking anyone else."Probably won't work if they're bigger than you.
"I'm going to kill your dog unless you give me the means for someone else to kill your dog" is kinda Hobson's Choice though, isn't it.
Plus I can see the headlines now: [i]MANIC CYCLIST USES BICYCLE FORKS TO MURDER BELOVED FAMILY PET IN SHOCK TERROR ATTACK[/i]
"Typical cyclist, he just came out of nowhere and he wasn't in a cycle lane" said distraught Geoffrey Bollocks, 39, of Bishop Stortford. "And he doesn't even pay road tax" he later added.
"Probably jumped a red light on his way to bludgeon the dog to death using mid range suspension forks"
Somebody mentioned body language and got flamed. There's an element of truth in that, ever wonder how police dogs find the burglar chased by police and then lost as they went to ground? When you are in a state of heightened anxiety you smell different to dogs and this excites them. An excited dog can nip. It seems young children are attractive to dogs as they smell different, especially if that dog is not usually exposed to young children in its household. So the idea of getting children used to dogs is a good one, to prevent the heightened anxiety upon sight of the dog. Now I know this isn't what you might call ideal, the owners should be responsible etc, but this is not an ideal world and we have to adapt, improvise and overcome. PS I do not own dogs but know many people who do.
I'm a little confused by the above?
So, is it a child's responsibility to learn the appropriate body language to appease someone else's dog? Or the responsibility of the child's parents to ensure that they are trained in the correct, non-canine confusing body language?
PJM1974 - MemberI'm a little confused by the above?
So, is it a child's responsibility to learn the appropriate body language to appease someone else's dog? Or the responsibility of the child's parents to ensure that they are trained in the correct, non-canine confusing body language?
Yeaaaaah.....That's a far better solution than say, training a dog to obey commands and exercising control over said dog.
shoot them all.....
Unfortunately this is all too common. My partner was recently given a fairly deep puncture on her leg from a loose dog while cycling on a shared pathway. The owner wasn't interested in the attack, despite the owner and my other half knowing each other, and even dismissed it when she later went back to him to tell him she had to have a trip to the hospital due to it.
Unfortunately a lot of dog owners prioritise the freedom of the dog to do as it will over any consequence of its behaviour.
I like dogs, own a dog, hate animal cruelty, don't eat meat etc but as others have said I wouldn't hesitate to give one a swift boot if it came for one of my family.
The first dog should be swatted with the cricket bat.
The second dog should have a good kick if you dare to do that.
Whatever you do next time you should bring a thick-ish walking stick just in case it happens again.
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Dog got shot not far from our village a few weeks back. Police are on the side of the farmer (it was worrying sheep). It seems a few dogs have been on paths off the lead, then jumping fences into sheep fields.
Self entitled brigade don't quite seem to understand their responsibilities.
When I go out on my bike, I tend to find that cyclists, horse riders, runners, walkers all get on surprisingly well. A worryingly large number of dog walkers (and their poo bags) don't seem to fit in. Some of my dog owning friends will complain just as much as the rest of us.
So, is it a child's responsibility to learn the appropriate body language to appease someone else's dog? Or the responsibility of the child's parents to ensure that they are trained in the correct, non-canine confusing body language?
It is the dog owners legal obligation (under criminal law) to keep their dog under control regardless of where they go or who they come across.
That's a far better solution than say, training a dog to obey commands and exercising control over said dog.
I'm totally against victim-blaming and get where you're coming from, people have every right to go about their business without being slobbered on or worse but other people's pets, but there is an element of "we don't live in a perfect world" here too. It's a bit like arguing against self-defence classes because you've got a right to go around not being mugged.
Is it the OP's "responsibility" to ensure that their kids are aware of how to act around dogs? Of course not. Doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad idea just in case something goes wrong though.
I taught my kids how to act around tigers too
You never know....
Sensible idea - I bet they've never been mauled by a tiger
Is it the OP's "responsibility" to ensure that their kids are aware of how to act around dogs? Of course not. [b]Doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad idea just in case something goes wrong though.[/b]
I agree with this. It is a fact of life that a minority of people are arseholes with their dogs, that is wrong, but it is no good us being right with injured kids, better to teach them how to deal with dogs.
You want me to teach them how to shoot?
better to teach them how to deal with dogs
Okay, quick test for you - aggressive looking dog comes running over.
What is the response you would have taught them?
- Lay dead on the ground?
- run away in a zig zag pattern?
- hit it with a cricket bat hoping you don't miss?