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Oh my, someones breached this one 😯
I dont have a problem with it, in fact it is very important for every country to welcome people wanting to move to it, doubly so with people fleeing war or poverty*.
It's really a gb news rant(scumbags)
Late last night, the wee small hours they had a section with some (clearly racist bigoted ars****e) called Fox, paid little attention to his name, but possibly a candidate for ukip)
They were postulating a false notion that 1 million people were going to be migrating to the uK in a year- with the implication they would be coming across the channel in small boats.
The GB news host did nothing but agree with everything this tosspot said.
But lets examine those claims for a second, and i've doing approximate figures here. So 1 million a year is about 83,000 per month or 2700 PER DAY
2700, and how many can fit in your average small rubber dingy ? say 15 ? which would be 180 small boats PER DAY. How many hours of daylight do we have, as all people choosing this most dangerous of routes are during the day. so say maybe 12 hours on average. Although its only during certain months, so event here its probably 8 or 9
And so on and so forth. So according to this Fox guy AND GB news as theyre doing absolutely nothing to dispute the figures to get 1 million immigrants into the UK per year.
Basically I feel it shouldnt bne allowed.. Press freedom is one thing, but misinformation and downright lies would be allowed especially as it encourages racism and bigotry.
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* A large number of pensioners move to the EU, mostly Spain because it is cheaper, ergo economic migration.
Basically I feel it shouldnt bne allowed.. Press freedom is one thing, but misinformation and downright lies would be allowed especially as it encourages racism and bigotry.
Looking forward to Suella Braverman's forthcoming proposal for a Great British Office of British Truth in Media for British People (GBOoBTiMfBP) which can adjudicate on complaints like yours. Maybe they can even pre-review articles before they're published to ensure accuracy and avoid confusion.
* A large number of pensioners move to the EU, mostly Spain because it is cheaper, ergo economic migration
Not since Brexit, they won't
Anyhow, I doubt they were referring to boat immigrants alone (though may have presented it that way for frothing purposes). The number of visa defaults is far higher than the mumber of boaty people and both count as "improper immigrants" (or something like that). The potential number of all of these groups aggregated was said to be 6-700,000 a few years ago*, so I bet somebody has extrapolated from that.
* though since we don't track everyone in & out properly we have no reak idea
* though since we don’t track everyone in & out properly we have no reak idea
You mean we don't controll are boarders? But we had a vote. Wot about democrasy?
I quite like GBeebies. And Lawrence Fox, assuming that's who you're on about. GBN is a humourful wokery-lite occasional alternative to my general BBC/C4 exposure which seem to becoming more like a cross between Brasseye and The Two Minute Hate from Nineteen Eighty-Four every day. I also agree that unlimited illegal immigration is a problem due to resources and loss of culture. Other opinions are available and freely expressed. But assuming your entire post isn't a pathetic act of virtue signalling, why on earth would you be watching it if you think they're scumbags?
Couple of points.
1. Is immigration bad for the UK, No, it allows workers to come in we desperately need and has definitely enriched the culture of the UK and despite Brexitmade us more outward looking.
2.
very important for every country to welcome people wanting to move to it, doubly so with people fleeing war or poverty
Within limits, a complete open door policy is not good for us culturally or economically.
3. Does the UK have a genuine problem with immigration numbers today,absolutely not, the small boat numbers are tiny compared to our population size.
4. Do we have a problem with the way we manage immigration, absolutely, from processing new arrivals, to helping them settle to encouraging them to engage with British culture, absolute shift show and that's what causes most of the issues.
GBbeebies is just a ratings game pandering to it's audience, ignore them, most of the population do.
Is all this not already covered in the Sue-Ellen thread?
The GB news host did nothing but agree with everything this tosspot said.
Given that Ofcom has just given GBeebies their second fine for not challenging stupid claims, I'd be making a complaint to them
But assuming your entire post isn’t a pathetic act of virtue signalling, why on earth would you be watching it if you think they’re scumbags?
It was 3am and i was flicking through the news channels, which on my freeview are all together. I needed to go through GB news to get to Al-jazeera. I just happened upon that at the exact time they're coming out with their bullshit numbers.
Virtue signalling
😕 Oh I see, if I have an opinion on something that makes me angry, I mustn't speak about it. Sounds like you're the core audience. But thanks for your comments, queries etc. I'll remember to pay them as much attention as they deserve from now on.
I read an interesting piece recently on the Italian economy. It’s shrinking due to a big drop in working age population due to lower birth rates. They have a high average age which seems to be a growing trend in developed economies. I have noticed a big anti immigration movement over there.
Anyway the upshot is the Italian GDP is forecast to drop by 18% in real terms over the next twenty/thirty years. Dare I say that’s what will happen in the UK if the hostile immigration policy continues.
I used to work for the Immigration and Nationality Directorate and we had it drilled into us that there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant - by definition an immigrant is taking part in legal movement between countries. The fuds on GBN should use the term "illegal entrants" and then make sure they don't conflate "illegal entrants" with "asylum seekers". Although the vastly diminished numbers they would then be enraged about might make their argument seem a bit silly.
Anyway, I think they're probably presenting the correct numbers for immigration but only telling part of the story. Last year 1.1 million people moved to the UK so their 1 million number doesn't look out of place, but 560k also moved away. Net result is 540k extra people in the UK - source
You might get some clarity on these numbers in a few days as the rumour is that there will be an announcement of the net migration figures which aren't far off the numbers that GBeebies is quoting, and the department is nervous to release them as it has near doubled in the year. But, the slack so called journalists on the (not really a...or is it a?) news programme have taken the numbers and skewed it to suit there agenda. In reality those net migration figures include those coming to work, to study, and in the case of postgraduates also includes large numbers of family members attached while studying. It also includes the large numbers we have helped from places like Ukraine, Hong Kong and numerous other places such as Afghanistan. Many of these numbers will be assumed to return once conflicts reside, and in the case of students and attached are only ever here temporarily to study, our international draw in academia still being a world level asset and financial benefit. The workers, well I don't know if anyone else has noticed but it turns out we need them after all. The actual number arriving on boats is only a small part of that number, but of course as the thinly veiled fascists have pledged to stop the boats they'll achieve that by suppressing publication of those particular numbers. I heard this on the radio so it must be true.
Immigration and Nationality Directorate and we had it drilled into us that there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant – by definition an immigrant is taking part in legal movement between countries. The fuds on GBN should use the term “illegal entrants”
In the jargon of the IND, I have no reason to doubt that's right, but in normal speech, an immigrant (or emigrant) is merely someone that moves permanently from one country to another. Some of those may enter and stay legally; some might enter and stay illegally; some might enter legally, but change their plans and/or overstay. But they're all immigrants and emigrants.
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/immigrant
It also includes the large numbers we have helped from places like Ukraine, Hong Kong and numerous other places such as Afghanistan. Many of these numbers will be assumed to return once conflicts reside, and in the case of students and attached are only ever here temporarily to study,
That's a bit of an oversimplification. The Hongkonger visa is not a refugee or asylum seeker visa: it is basically a one way ticket. Most of those Hongkongers ain't going back.
Neither is it a safe assumption that refugees will go back to their country of origin "once the war is over". Not all refugees are persecuted as a result of war, but in any case, 8 of the top 10 countries of origin for UK refugees have had prolonged, decades-long conflict. Plus in the years it takes to get resettled, people get married, have kids, bring their dependants across, get jobs, build a life...the vast majority of refugees in the UK are never "returning home" permanently. Ukrainians might be an exception to this if the war ends in the next year.
About 20% of non-EU students stay permanently in the UK. In other countries, it's a much higher percentage (US, Australia, Canada).
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8939/
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/student-migration-to-the-uk/
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migration-to-the-uk-asylum/
Ukrainians might be an exception to this if the war ends in the next year.
In a survey of one family, it seems they see getting into UK as an opportunity not to be missed.
Yeah, a lot depends on what happens at home. If there is peace or even a stalemate, there will be huge reconstruction. At that point, I think a significant tranche will head back - perhaps keeping their UK paperwork "live" or splitting their time. Unlike Eritrea or Afghanistan, it's pretty easy to shuttle back and forth to Ukraine.
But certainly there are plenty of people who have carved out a little niche here, or who have kids and want them to grow up bilingual - and they are not going home.
In all the confusion about the various correct terminologies, have we not considered a catch-all that has more traction, at least on the supply side, in 'ex-pat'?
It might help to take the edge off?
Bloody ex-pats, coming over here, carving out a little niche that benefits the society as a whole etc etc