[Closed] Immigrants anyone?

Strange stance from the normally over-compassionate Standard.

Forgive my ignorance but is Romania a terrible place to be at the moment?
These people come here looking for jobs and then end up sleeping rough, is it worse back in Romania?
I'm struggling to understand what would draw people voluntarily to such a lifestyle.

The right to free movement for EU citizens doesn’t translate into a right to behave anti socially in the European capital of your choice”

too right i believe our behaviour abroad is impeccable , especially on stag dos IIRC

[i]too right i believe our behaviour abroad is impeccable , especially on stag dos IIRC[/i]
I've been to a few places where 'our' behaviour leaves a bit to be desired. The Russians however, take it to a new level.

Madrid has a real problem with Roma rough sleepers. Freedom of movement is fine as is freedom to work but that shouldn't extend to being an anti-social problem whilst 'looking' for work. If you can't support yourself / have someone else support you if should be a one way ticket home and no return for at least a year.

esselgruntfuttock - Member
I've been to a few places where 'our' behaviour leaves a bit to be desired. The Russians however, take it to a new level.

Why don't you link to an article that discusses this problem then ? Your article makes no mention at all of Russian behaviour abroad.

too right i believe our behaviour abroad is impeccable , especially on stag dos IIRC

Aye, cos all Brits abroad act like dicks...

Just like all Romanians apparently...

Ernie, stop being a TJ wannabee will ya. I don't troll the interweb looking for facts like you seem to do. (your'e good at it though, I'll give you that), I just report on what I've witnessed.

Anyway, my OP was more to do with...[i]Hakan Altay, who has run the nearby Hakan Altay Hair and Beauty Salon for 36 years, added: “The police should act more strongly. The council try – they clean up, but we need a more permanent solution.”[/i]

Hair salon...permanent solution? No? Forget it. 🙄

The Romanians I know are nothing like this lot at all.

This lot looks like they are from a particular community in Romania. The pickpocket type ...

Forgive my ignorance but is Romania a terrible place to be at the moment?
These people come here looking for jobs and then end up sleeping rough, is it worse back in Romania?
I'm struggling to understand what would draw people voluntarily to such a lifestyle.

If you're a gypsy it is - Romania is an astonishingly racist place, and some of the gypsy villages there would put many third world countries to shame. And yes I've been there - more than once, and hung out with locals.

This lot looks like they are from a particular community in Romania.

Not just Romanians who are racist either.

Ernie, stop being a TJ wannabee will ya. I don't troll the interweb looking for facts like you seem to do.

You and your facts. You can prove anything with facts.

I know several Romanians, most are in a course I attend in Vienna.
They are some of the funniest, generous and polite people I've ever had the pleasure to meet.
Many are now my friends.
Some people don't half post some crap on here.

Paris has a big problem with Romanians, it's not just London ...

grum - Member

This lot looks like they are from a particular community in Romania.

Not just Romanians who are racist either.

Or they want to be fed ... is that racist?

🙄

Or they want to be fed ... is that racist?

No I'd call it weaselling.

Dear Leader, maggots, erection inducing handguns, etc etc.

Ernie, stop being a TJ wannabee will ya. I don't troll the interweb looking for facts like you seem to do. (your'e good at it though, I'll give you that), I just report on what I've witnessed.

You provided a link in your OP, you didn't just 'report on what you've witnessed'. So how about providing a link to back up your claim concerning Russian behaviour abroad ?

I have no idea what this has to do with TJ btw.

Grum, why did you bring the 'R' word into the post? Now look what you've done.
My OP was nothing to do with, & didn't mention, racism. it was mainly about a hairdresser & a 'permanent solution' FFS!

This is the main reason why I frequent this site though, It's sooo predictable & amusing!

Is this entire thread really about a handful of romanians?

Just to state the unbelievably bloody obvious- if you're choosing to travel hundreds of miles in order to sleep in the street in another country, yes, things must be pretty shit back home. Mr Habib might want to ask himself why, if they're doing so brilliantly begging, they don't have a roof. Or even a decent sleeping bag between them.

Can you prove Russians aren't dicks abroad...?

Hey...
Hey...
Yeah...

[Door slams, fading footsteps]

esselgruntfuttock - Member

This is the main reason why I frequent this site though, It's sooo predictable & amusing!

To be fair I find you rather predictable esselgruntfuttock, although in a tragic rather than amusing way 🙂

Grum, why did you bring the 'R' word into the post? Now look what you've done.
My OP was nothing to do with, & didn't mention, racism. it was mainly about a hairdresser & a 'permanent solution' FFS!

This is the main reason why I frequent this site though, It's sooo predictable & amusing!

Yes, who would have thought a thread called 'immigrants anyone?' with a link to an article about Romanian beggars in the Standard might possibly have any link to racism. 🙄

FFS Ernie, if I hadn't shown the original link then the bit about the hair salon & 'permanent solution', would've been [s]your elephant.[/s] irrelevant. Junkyard then said, [i]too right i believe our behaviour abroad is impeccable , especially on stag dos IIRC[/i
To which I mentioned the Russians behaviour. Where I'm going to get 'facts' about Russian tourists compared to British tourists is beyond me.
You find it, I'll post it. All I can go off is from what I've seen on my travels. The MAJORITY of Russian tourists I've seen are plain nasty & much worse than British tourists, (who can also be ignorant/arrogant & rude to their hosts)

TJ was like you, loved to state 'facts' rather than personal experience.

Well the great advantage about "personal experience" as you call it, is that it can't be challenged. After all how does anyone know what you've experienced or not experienced.

So you carry on ignoring facts and just focus on "personal experience". And remember, you make as wild as an allegation as you fancy, about anyone or anything, because of course no one can challenge you. Which is rather handy.

too right i believe our behaviour abroad is impeccable , especially on stag dos IIRC
I've been to a few places where 'our' behaviour leaves a bit to be desired. The Russians however, take it to a new level.

Went to Sharm in April, hotel we were at had probably 50% Russians. Other than a complete lack of queue manners and ropey dress sense, they were all fine and behaved as well if not better than the Brits.

With regards queuing, its just that the Brits do queue where as the Russians seem to 'go for the gap'. Other than that I couldn't say anything bad about them.

Grum, why did you bring the 'R' word into the post? Now look what you've done.
My OP was nothing to do with, & didn't mention, racism. it was mainly about a hairdresser & a 'permanent solution' FFS!

[i]about anyone or anything,[/i]
Just Russian tourists in Goa & Cyprus at the moment Ernie. Stick to the subject please & don't try to expand the topic, which you already have done to a great degree.
I admit, I don't have a clue where to get any facts about Russian tourists vs UK tourists & their behaviour/attitude but if you point me in the right direction...

Or we could meet up for a ride & talk properly instead of on here?

I assume you do have a bike though!

esselgruntfuttock - Member

Stick to the subject please & don't try to expand the topic, which you already have done to a great degree.

You started a thread by posting a link which discusses homeless Romanians living in the UK under the EU right of free movement of labour, and then quickly move on to slagging off the alleged behaviour of Russian tourists on holiday in foreign countries.

I think you've managed perfectly well to "expand the topic" without any serious help from me.

Stick to the subject please

What is the subject - that a man said 'permanent solution' and that sounds a bit like 'final solution'? Is that really all we're allowed to talk about?

Ernie, you are arguing with a blunt screw. It's pointless 😉

What is the subject - that a man said 'permanent solution' and that sounds a bit like 'final solution'? Is that really all we're allowed to talk about?

Permanent solution......like it......down to salon services then we have curly haired immigrants.

You and your facts. You can prove anything with facts

Forgive my ignorance but is Romania a terrible place to be at the moment?
These people come here looking for jobs and then end up sleeping rough, is it worse back in Romania?

I'm in Bucharest with work just now and despite being one of the richer areas of the country, if not richest, it's truly eye opening. I didn't understand before why someone would head to the UK to sleep on our streets, but having experienced some of the less affluent areas here as well as the 'wealthy' areas, it's easy to see why the UK is so appealing. We are very rich in comparison and the potential of decent quality accommodation and a job is a strong draw.

Where's SquareBob Spongebrain or whatever his name is? I am sure he could add some eloquence and incisive thought to this thread.

Immigrants anyone?

Yup, us. Always paid my way and my taxes. I don't beg, rob or steal. I don't live in a ghetto and I dress like the natives. I'm thankful the country gave me a chance, sing the anthem with enthusiasm and get on with enjoying life.

But do you break into people's houses and re-arrange their furniture?

I'm in Bucharest with work just now and despite being one of the richer areas of the country, if not richest, it's truly eye opening. I didn't understand before why someone would head to the UK to sleep on our streets, but having experienced some of the less affluent areas here as well as the 'wealthy' areas, it's easy to see why the UK is so appealing. We are very rich in comparison and the potential of decent quality accommodation and a job is a strong draw.

Do you realise what you're doing? Bringing relevant facts and information to a thread when all we really want is blind assumptions, stereotypes, innuendo all mixed up with pointless arguing. You'll give STW a bad name if you carry on like this.

[i] I dress like the natives[/i]

Edukator earlier;

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The only Romanian I know has a PhD in molecular biology and is an expert in live cell fluorescent microscopy.

As far as I know she's always paid her taxes and never eaten one of the queens swans.

Sadly you can earn an awful lot more begging in the affluent/tourist areas of London than doing many jobs back in Romania. There was a good article on the BBC site about this recently.

Sorry footflaps!

To give you a slight insight, I was served honey and cream, not milk and sugar with my Assam this morning! Barbarians!

On a serious note, average official wage figures are 120 euro per month but food is more expensive than Germany. Unemployment figures are around 8%, 2% in Bucharest but street hawkers, beggars and homeless families are a common sight. So were Audis, BMWs and the odd Lamorghini or Ferrari despite many people not owning a car or sharing a Dacia. The wealth gap is huge and the country growing but they have on hell of a legacy to overcome.

things must be pretty shit back home

Or maybe just not as good as the place you go to...They are economic migrants still after all.

But do you break into people's houses and re-arrange their furniture?

Only if they sue me for 100 000e for running into their S class on my bike.

There are something like 5 million Brits living abroad, mostly economic migrants.

things must be pretty shit back home

patriotpro - Member

Or maybe just not as good as the place you go to..

If you'd quoted more of my post, I wouldn't have to say this again, but hey... If travelling to a foreign country and sleeping rough is your preferred option, then your other option must be pretty shit. This doesn't need a lot of analysis.

must

Sorry for focussing on what YOU wrote but my point is that it doesn't mean that it MUST be PRETTY SHIT.

As you didn't quote my full post, i'll give you helping hand shall I...

In fact, nar, i'm not repeating myself. It's up there.

Sadly you can earn an awful lot more begging in the affluent/tourist areas of London than doing many jobs back in Romania.

Saw that documentary and have to say If I was criminally minded like the folks on that documentary were, i'd be doing the same in their shoes.

We slept rough in a local wood for two weeks in November when going through the formalities of setting up our business, we'd spent the previous couple of months cycling and sleeping rough to find a town where our business idea would work. We went swimming or used the toilets in the library to make ourselves presentable each day. The library staff made no comment at all when we dried our sleeping bags on the radiators. The option we'd left was teaching in a school in Leicester.

"The only Romanian I know has a PhD in molecular biology and is an expert in live cell fluorescent microscopy."

She wouldn't be a former Olympic (possibly medal-winning) rower, would she?

patriotpro - Member

must

Sorry for focussing on what YOU wrote but my point is that it doesn't mean that it MUST be PRETTY SHIT.

No, you're right, there's obviously a good chance they just love sleeping rough in London and they've left a lovely life to follow the dream. Jeezo.

i ve worked a significant part of this week in some of the poorest housing in the northwest

the people living there are clean honest humble polite they cherish thier children and live outside of the public eye

many share thier homes with extended family some of whom are brash noisy arrogant outside thier homes yet upon entering it are not.

having witnessed this week people sleeping in bathrooms and sharing bedrooms i ve contemplated why you would choose to live in such conditions..

the answer is simple.. it must be a 1000 times worse on the otherside of the world..

dont blame the immigrants they come because we are tolerant even though some of them see that as a weakness to be exploited. i'm proud to be a native of a country that others look upon as a safe haven and / or an opportunity for legitimate advancement.

where we should be intolerent is of those who seek to threaten that by abuse of the opportunities.

The Roman[s]ian[/s]s? What have they ever done for us?!

That barber in the article though - "we need a more permanent solution.”

I hesitate to invoke Godwin's law but he started it...

Redpanda pretty sure that's not the same person

There are something like 5 million Brits living abroad, mostly economic migrants.
things must be pretty shit back home

How many of them are sleeping rough then? 🙄

How many of them are sleeping rough then?

Well the linked article which esselgruntfuttock appears to believe provides some sort of definitive comment on "immigrants" in the UK is referring to, quote : [i]"up to ten homeless east Europeans"[/i]

Statistically how many Brits need to be sleeping rough in Bucharest ?