[Closed] I'm not a God botherer, but.....

so good they named a frilly skirt after him ?

And a degree classification

i do not do politics or religion, but i always liked this bloke.
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Really?

"We'll have no Pot Pourri here"

Was his catch phrase, I think.

I never understood what he had against smelly dried flowers.

really............dont know why either.
he seems like a stand up honest kinda bloke..........bit like religions vince cable.

Some good pics of the Tu Tu in the Guardian today;

[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2010/oct/06/desmond-tutu-south-africa-birthday ]Two - Too (see what i did there)[/url]

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these guys for me...

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WTF at TON

yunki trying to remember what they were called FFS 😕

memory problems sir?
Fat freddy cartoons

Surely ton you are putting out the bait?! 🙂

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YEAH getting flash backs now!!!

Fat freddy cartoons

AKA The Furry Freak Brothers

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Funny at the time thank god I have grown up a bit

Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers its all coming back now! Cool 8)

Funny at the time thank god I have grown up a bit

except, minus spliff and hat, that's a picture of you 🙂

Ghandi definitely deserves a round of applause for

What do I think of Western civilization? I think it would be a very good idea.

Why?

This from the man who thought India could survive in the modern world by everybody sitting around in ashrams spinning cotton... Yeah, right.

because it's a poignant and funny statement Woppit.. nothing more nothing less.. it would have got a round of applause even if you had said it..

What do I think of Western Civilisation? I think it's under threat from fanatical fukwits.

Mr woppit, just 'cos you believe all that guff about your speaker cables doesn't make you fanatical...

*smile* @ nickc

I think fanatics (whether muslim, Christian, Jewish or Tea Party) are indeed the biggest threat to all civilization.

What do I think of Western Civilisation? I think it's under threat from fanatical fukwits.

see..?
Not poignant.. not witty.. not even true..

a point to Mr Ghandi I feel..

You feel what you like. Ghandi's comment is ridiculous and not the slightest bit "witty".

It's the sort of thing usually beloved by those who think that Che Guevara was some kind of altruistic humanist.

I ****ing love Dessi Tutu to bits......even though he's stark raving bonkers, and a minister in heretic cult founded by a serial wife murderer. There are few people I have so much respect for. In the dark days of Apartheid he was often the lone voice who always spoke out against the brutal regime.

I agree with Woppit concerning Ghandi - hugely overrated imo. Che Guevara on the other hand, was described by Jean Paul Sartre as [i]"not only an intellectual, but also the most complete human being of our age".[/i] Probably bit of an exaggeration I reckon, but El Comandante is certainly up there with the greats.

Yeah, slaughtering anybody who disagreed with him, or sending them to labour camps. Persecuting gay people and the like. Worshipping Stalin. What a guy.

I met Desmond Tutu and Assser Arafat in Bethlehem, Christmas Eve 1989 or 90. Very surreal. He seemed genuinely a lovely happy chap, and Arafat was a tosser.

I think apathy is a far bigger threat to Western civilisation than fundamentalism. When China and India rule the world, it won't be because some idiots bombed a Tube train, it'll be because complacency amongst the West will let them. And they probably deserve it.

When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.

Desmond Tutu

Ghandi's comment is ridiculous and not the slightest bit "witty".

aaah well.. I bow to your very obviously superior judgement.. I personally thought it was very "witty".. I stand corrected..

(I thought incorrect use of speech marks was the territory of the Ghandi and Guevera student brigade.. not of the irrationally grumpy and deliberately obtuse ageing hysteric)
Anyway.. I dunno why you're getting your nickers in a twist with me.. these lot are more up my street than any mercenary or religious types..

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Yeah, slaughtering anybody who disagreed with him, or sending them to labour camps. Persecuting gay people and the like. Worshipping Stalin. What a guy.

You've been looking at those American right-wing neo-conservative websites haven't you Woppit ? Yeah I've seen what they say about El Comandante - it's not very nice.......I don't think they were very pleased with his involvement in the overthrow of the US backed fascist/mafia dictatorship of Batista.

Still, the US right-wing conservatives have never been very pleased with people who stood in the way of their beloved brutal and bloody military dictatorships in Latin America, and the Death Squads which they trained.

Interesting that you should mention gay rights. I know gay rights is a subject which is very close to your heart Woppit - you mention it a lot on here, so I'm surprised that you are not aware that the Cuba which Che helped to build, is leading the way on gay and transsexual rights in Latin America. For example, sex change operations are now available for free under the Cuban health service.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/19/cuba-performing-statespon_n_428681.html

The champion of gay rights in Cuba in Fidel's niece Mariela Castro.

[url= http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7314845.stm ]Castro champions gay rights in Cuba[/url]

Sure Cuba, like all other Latin American countries, has a long history of anti-homosexual laws and attitudes. And it still has some way to go. But you are kidding yourself (or more probably lying) if you want to suggest that the counter-revolutionaries were gay friendly. You wouldn't have wanted to be gay in Pinochet's US backed Chile, or Batista's US backed Cuba.

Left-wing governments and politicians of Latin America, many inspired by Che, are spearheading LGBT rights. Any resistance, as in Cuba, is coming from the entrenched attitudes of the population. However, there are now nine Latin America countries which allow same sex marriages, in contrast with a mere five US states. And in stark contrast with how things were when the continent was under total US domination.

Of course this has only been possible because Latin America has finally freed itself of US hegemony (well the worst aspects of it at least) Che was/is an inspiration and an icon in that struggle.

FFS ernie dont try and convert him with facts. He has his beliefs they cannot be challenged by rational discourse - no wink I think that is actually,sadly true

Ghandi's comment is ridiculous and not the slightest bit "witty".

Hard of thinking?

I think the Prophet Muhammad is underated. And Sun Myung Moon.

does anyone else think mr paisley is ok??

does anyone else think mr paisley is ok??

FFS ton, even by your recently deteriorating standards, this is poor trolling. Tell you what though, I can see why [i]you[/i] would admire a thug like Paisley.

Don't be ridiculous Ton

The man is an awful bigot responsible for stirring up and continuing ( with others) the troubles in Northern Ireland

foul man with blood on his hands

dd, explain why he is a thug.

dd, explain why he is a thug.

Oh **** off will ya ton 😛

Pailsey is a prime khunt - the worst kind of leader, making none too thinly veiled threats, keen to shit stir and follow behind his dim witted but deadly little activists.

Pretty obvious troll ton as I doubt that even you can't be thick enough to admire such a vile creature 🙄

dd, seriously...........why is he a thug.
but you like to call people such, with nothing to back up your claim.

idave, is he worse than any of the other so called religious leaders mentioned above?

that can be your challenge for the week, Ton. you could challenge yourself to see if you can think of any reasons why someone might call him a thug.

You could start with google

Does he need to be any worse than Gandhi for you to admire him any less?

or is he just another 'religious'leader who shouts a bit louder to denounce all other 'religious' leaders.

but you like to call people such, with nothing to back up your claim.

[ton stylie]ton.......................show me where I called anyone other than Paisley a thug.............go on then.........bet you can't[/ton stylie]

Getting a bit sensitive aren't we matey 😉

dd, spotted the edit smiley..........sensitive...no

is he worse than any of the other so called religious leaders mentioned above?

What do you mean "so called" religious leaders .......... are you saying Dessi isn't religious ?

And yes ton, Paisley is worst than our Dessi.

ton - Member

dd, explain why he is a thug.

I have no idea why he is a thug. perhaps he was neglected by his mother. I doubt DD knows why he is a thug either.

I suggest yo do some googling on him to see why we call him a thug and what he has done. Not as Bad as Adams perhpas but not that far off.

well i liked him, proper stand up kinda bloke in my eyes.

I have no idea why he is a thug. perhaps he was neglected by his mother. I doubt DD knows why he is a thug either

I'd say it's because he's a Presbyterian myself. Are you a member of a dry dour Scottish church based on being a miserable bastard most of your life too ton? Is that why you admire him so much?

No one is surprised by that.

no he was nice to the gays and the catholics areas he marched through did i it with sensitivity I think 🙄 .Comparable acts to desmond and the truth commission and ghandi and his peaceful resistance to British rule and attempts to unite indian religious groups my @rse
as other says Goggle him hate filled individual where the others practised peace and tolerance.

i also like arthur scargill too.

WTF is a 'stand up kinda bloke'?

Why is being a bigoted, self-righteous, vile, high-priest of hate to be admired?

You are joking right? Even you can't be that devoid of an awareness of what Paisley stood for?

Even as a 10 year old protestant, supposedly on the same 'side' I could see he was vile and corrosive

idave.............of course i am ****ing joking......ffs
i just like to see how long it takes......... 😆

i also like arthur scargill too.

You're ****in killing me this evening ton. Are you ok mate? Your trolling's always been a bit shite but your plumbing the depths tonight.

and tony benn

Back on topic................Our Dessi :

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........wish he was my uncle.

Mr woppit, just 'cos you believe all that guff about your speaker cables doesn't make you fanatical...

Ha ha! Quality pwnage! 😆

Ghandi was a decent Human Being. Dedicated his life to fight for better rights for Indian people. Not surprising that Woppit doesn't like him then.

What do I think of Western Civilisation? I think it's under threat from fanatical fukwits.

Ha ha! You really do talk some rot, Woppit.

Do you actually believe stuff like that, or do you just say it to get a reaction? I mean, you're quite an intelligent bloke going by some of the things you post on here, so surely you can't be that blinkered and narrow-minded?

And what 'fanatical f***wits' would these be then Woppit? Care to enlighten us? Seems that only you, the BNP, UKIP, Melanie Phillips and the English Defence League are worked up about such a 'threat'. Do you know something the rest of us don't? Please, do tell...

I like Desmond Tutu. He is come to Stratford recently, but I din't know about it until afterwards. Gutted. Would like to meet him.

Ghandi once lived a stone's throw from where I do. Makes him ok in my book.

Re Ian Paisley:

I am [i]sure[/i] the family of one of my childhood mates had a little figure of Ian Paisley, that shouted 'NEVER! NEVER! NEVER!' when you pressed a button or something (it sounded like a dog barking tbh). I'm [i]sure[/i] they did. Could I have dreamed it? Is that possible??? 😯

I remember my dad watching The Reverend IP on telly, and being quite bemused by him. Me dad would say, in his pidgin English (think of the dad in East is East);

'Why he bloody shouting all bloody time? Bloody bastard always bloody shouting? What he bloody shouting for?'

Erm, I think it's to do with him being opposed to Sinn fein and the IRA, and wanting peace in Northern Ireland dad...

'How can be bloody peace Northern Ireland this bloody bastard shouting all the time?'

Fair point really. He'd then go on to do impressions of IP, but it just sounded like a dog barking really. 🙂

Mind you, me dad once tried to measure Jimmy Hill's chin on the screen, with a ruler. We only had a 14" telly, and the bastard thing was still 4" long.

I'm not sure if my dad was really cut out as a political commentator.

fred, brilliant that............ 😆

specially that bit about paisley wanting peace in ireland

Well, it was a tad difficult explaining the intricacies of Northern Irish politics to me dad, because he'd get confused over who was who (I still bloody do), then probbly get bored and wander off to find something to eat. Or feed the goldfish. Or scratch his arse. Or something.

I think Jimmy Hill annoyed him more tbh. I think there was once a show where Jimmy and Graham Hill were on at the same time. Thank God he din't see that... 😯

He had quite an affection for Ken Dodd, for some reason. I doubt he could understand much of what Dodd was ever saying mind. Just thought his mannerisms were hilarious.

But the strangest one was Barry Took. My dad once announced he had 'much respect' for Barry Took.

Don't ask. I had a troubled childhood...

i got half way through the first page and gave up. but i will say - it was religious fanaticism that got us to western "civilisation" as it is now; it's not necessarily the threat :O

Yeah, really uncivilised. So uncivilised that when it was asked by the Indians - "Can we have our country back?" Britain said "Oh, O.K., then".

Good job they didn't have to try getting the Nazis to do that. Or the Communist Russia so beloved of the likes of "El Commandante".

As to recent developments in Cuba: sure, they have started to organise themselves more like the free West. I hear they've even "allowed" the populace to have mobile phones. Only the one kind of course - supplied by the government.

Otherwise, quite a good thread, I thought...

The funny thing is I started thinking Ton was just trolling but now I am thinking his "course I'm joking" is just to try and cover his actual love of Paisley/Scargill.

Arch bishop of Cant for me. Love listening to him ramble on, he has such a good understanding of the english language.

Yeah, really uncivilised. So uncivilised that when it was asked by the Indians - "Can we have our country back?" Britain said "Oh, O.K., then".

but but...??? This is either ignorance or trolling, either it's just stoooopid!

his is either ignorance or trolling, either it's just stoooopid!

Neither; it's just Woppit. Take no notice. It's meaningless babbling tbh, little more.

Good job they didn't have to try getting the Nazis to do that. Or the Communist Russia so beloved of the likes of "El Commandante".

eh? may i introduce you to the removal of the berlin wall?

It's meaningless babbling tbh, little more.

Bloody hell thats a bit rich!

In fairness, there is little else which can contextualise that statement

So uncivilised that when it was asked by the Indians - "Can we have our country back?" Britain said "Oh, O.K., then".

Interesting that Woppit is very quick to attack and belittle, yet seemingly unable to answer the question of why Western Civilisation is 'under threat' from 'fanatical f***wits'....

Elfinsafety - Member
Interesting that Woppit is very quick to attack and belittle, yet seemingly unable to answer the question of why Western Civilisation is 'under threat' from 'fanatical f***wits'....

Referring to the rise in Christian fundamentalists in the US? Or perhaps the fact that the US is probably the most dangerous country in the world at the moment, with the most resources and run mainly by a bunch of complete nutters who think nothing of invading other countries in order to change governments?

Or is it boring racism as usual?

I don't know, IdleJohn! He's not answered...

Ineteresting Wikipedia link. So, pretty much: "Can we have our country back" followed by "oh, O.K. then", then...

So, care to answer my question then Woppit?