[Closed] I'm confused by CallMeDave.

Wheres that War Monger Blair these days?

Get him to talk to CMD, he knows everything there is to know about War(s) in Iraq'istan. 🙄

Wheres that War Monger Blair these days?

You shouldn't be confused. Dave is very, very easy to understand. He says one thing, then he actually does the complete opposite. He is what clinical psychologists tend to refer to as 'a right lying bastard'

Hope that helps

His statement totally contradicts itself. We are absolutely not getting involved and to show how absolutely we're not getting involved we're going to get involved. A lot.

I think it depends on what you define as 'involved in a war'. The SAS do covert missions all the time all over the world (as do the SBS) and their expertise is just what is needed on the ground in northern Iraq at the moment. I wouldn't call a few special forces troops out their 'involved in a war'.

As for general monitoring, spy planes, food drops etc - again I do not see this as 'involved in a war'. At the moment there is no war, just a huge amount of violence by an extremist group.

I also think that as we (the US and the British governments specifically) caused this mess we do have some duty to help sort it out.

Call me a politician if you like but being involved in helping sort the shitty mess out and being 'involved in a war' are quite different things. At the moment at least...

Technically he's right, there is no war, and should war be declared, should we then remove all assets, we will "be out of the war". Then again Afghan wasn't a war, but we were firmly in the deep do do's having our limbs blown off!

Wheres that War Monger Blair these days?

I believe he likes to be referred to as "The Messiah" these days.....

I'm also getting confused by all this - we're not getting involved but are supplying aid/munitions etc, basically backing one side or the other, will we at some point at "war" with the Islamic fundamentalists?

Will Call Me Dave want to be referred to as Call Me Richard the Lionheart at that point?

The Messiah is a very busy man! Doing what he does best...

[url= http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/aug/02/tony-blair-gas-pipeline-italy ]Making shitloads of money, by extremely dubious and distasteful means[/url]

Have a look at live hashtag #RASummit on twitter for Dave's views on family life and what the government can/will do to support it.

What I dont understand is why we are not forcing Saudu Arabia or Kuwait or any of the other middle eastern countries that are sitting on their hands rather than sorting out the mess in their own back yard. I dont blame them, why do it yourself when someone else is daft enough to do it for you, but why are we involved and not these other countries?

What I dont understand is why we are not forcing Saudu Arabia or Kuwait or any of the other middle eastern countries that are sitting on their hands rather than sorting out the mess in their own back yard

They use their military to suppress internal dissent whereas we, in the west, use ours to spread the love of God to the heathens, fighting the good fight etc....

[i]why are we involved and not these other countries[/i]

mainly because internally a lot of these countries are barely controlling internal dissent and conflict themselves.

Being seen to 'pick sides' in anything that's viewed as Sunni v Shia v Christians v Jews v whoever is likely to lead to more problems than it solves.

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Being seen to 'pick sides' in anything that's viewed as Sunni v Shia v Christians v Jews v whoever is likely to lead to more problems than it solves.

We should get the SAS to take Shia out first, because of Transformers. That'll simplify matters.

I think it's similar to when the yanks send 'advisors' into war zones and they advise the hell out of the opposition.

What I dont understand is why we are not forcing Saudu Arabia or Kuwait or any of the other middle eastern countries that are sitting on their hands rather than sorting out the mess in their own back yard. I dont blame them, why do it yourself when someone else is daft enough to do it for you, but why are we involved and not these other countries.

Saudi Arabia is a Sunni nation. IS (as they have now been conveniently shortened to) are a Sunni group. The Saudis are funding IS to cause this mess and have no interest in stopping them.

The Saudis also funded Al Qaeda for much the same reason - effectively getting others to fight a proxy war for them whilst remaining pals with the Western powers. They are delighted with the job IS are doing and want to see it continue as long as possible.

The Western powers tolerate this because the Saudi's a) have lots of oil and b) are happy putting $$$$$$ arms contracts to Western firms which means the politicians can say what a jolly good lot the Saudi's are keeping all you lot in a job.

I'm also getting confused by all this - we're not getting involved but are supplying aid/munitions etc, basically backing one side or the other, will we at some point at "war" with the Islamic fundamentalists?

Correct me if I'm wrong but up until quite recently weren't we arming/funding the Islamic fundamentalists in Syria because they were anti-Assad?

The problem with the Arabian states looking after things in their own back yard is that they are the ones who financed the whole Syria destabilisation/Arab Spring, bought lots of weapons now in the hands of IS(IS) and probably more of their citizens are there than UK ones.

William Gibson re-Tweeted the comment: Someone in the future will be looking back on now and confusing it with the Middle Ages.

at least vague hague has been given the push, and as for camerroon, anything for a war before an election, seems to be the cons election policy.

I've said it before, but its a waste of time getting involved anywhere at all in the region. Despite the utterly ineffectual efforts of the west, they're ultimately all a bunch of medieval, psychotic religious fundamentalist nut-jobs, of slightly different flavours, who are never happier than when they're hacking lumps out of each other, and indulging in their tribal barbarism.

One option is just to make a killing arming all sides, and just let them wipe each other out. I can't imagine it'd take too long if you gave them the tools to complete the job

Or the other option would be

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I'd love to see a Western leader offer this as a serious option. Nuke the whole region. Leave it a few years for the dust to clear, then start pumping the oil out again

@binners - or not...

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Anyhow, to answer your original question, here is a translation of [url= http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/dear-britain-please-can-play-4069735 ]Camoron's guff[/url]

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