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Would you insult a person to their face ? without knowing anything about them ?
Tell me what you know about me ?
Someone’s going to chuck “professionally offended” in soon.
We've got a word for that.
Taking a recently made up word, changing the definition to suit himself, presumably applying it to himself and then complaining about being oppressed and offended in public. That's taking the long way round by anyones standards.
Textbook Karen.
presumably applying it to himself and then complaining about being oppressed and offended in public
Which is of course, utter ,****,.
Hmmm
I am male pale and stale. I am in a group that has advantage in society and has used it to oppress others. Not all white men over 50 do this. But it is done by this group more than other groups.
I could be offended if I was called a gammon, because I’m not, and I don’t want to be associated with that particular stereotype which I associate with certain opinions and behaviours which I don’t hold. But as I know I’m not the person who they think I am, I’m not offended, (unless I am exhibiting those behaviours!)
A black person who is called something derogatory based on their colour knows that the person is doing it because of their colour. They don’t have the privilege of knowing that they aren’t in the group that is being oppressed.
It’s not the same at all in my mind.
t’s long been accepted that it is a term used to describe white middle aged middle classed men, White men basically.
Apart from the fact that it is not that at all, in any way whatsoever.
I am a white, middle aged, middle class man. I am about as far from a gammon as a person could be.
Gammon is a term used for a person acting in a certain way and has nothing to do with race.
I don't care about getting ripped into some privileged **** who hates foreigners , is a xenophobe or is a racist , or hates folk on benefits etc etc, They are fannies who desrve to be told they are fannies.
I just can't see using a shitty term based on them being white to do it
But anyway, crack on, the other thread has made me stick NWA on the turntable and I'm having an early beer cause the weathers shit so,,
It took a year of such meetings to get Southampton Bike Park started. Eventually began when the Objector in Chief went of to do something for the Olympics
Gammon is so much more than a term for a white middle aged man.
It's a term for angry little men. Men who are conservative with a big and small c. It's a term for people who like to use the term 'I'm not racist but'. It's a term for the narcissist and the nimby. The small minded, the mean, the culturally immature. It's a term for those who wistfully look back to the good old days of the 80s and 90s with its section 28 and women had proper jobs on telly like game show hostess Miss World contestant.
I am white, male, middle aged and middle class and feel no reflected insult when a gammon is called a gammon.
brads
Tell me what you know about me ?
You are Councillor Tolver and I claim my five pounds.
the other thread has made me stick NWA on the turntable
Some of my best friends bands are black.
Brads, you are a parody of yourself now, the game is up. I preferred it when you were just mildly trolling us.
What a ****er. seriously.
Have it, I don't give a ****.
“Gammon is a pejorative popularised in British political culture since around 2012. The term refers in particular to the colour of a white person’s flushed face when expressing their strong opinions, as compared to the type of pork of the same name.
There is considerable debate over whether, due to its origins as a reference to skin color, the term is racist.”
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Is anyone else noticing the irony that a thread about over opinionated people arguing on Zoom has descended into a thread of over opinionated people arguing on STW?
There is considerable debate over whether, due to its origins as a reference to skin color, the term is racist.”
What absolute twaddle.
But anyway, crack on, the other thread has made me stick NWA on the turntable and I’m having an early beer cause the weathers shit so,,
I mean if they call each other that word, why can’t we all use it?
Well, I'm convinced, now that I've got some insight into the oppression involved. Middle aged white men taking the piss out of other white men purely for the dilation of their facial blood vessels is just the worst kind of hate crime!
Have it, I don’t give a ****.
Don't just give up. True equality won't just be handed to you, you have to battle for it over the decades. Only then can middle-aged white men throw off the yoke of servitude. 🙂
Is anyone else noticing the irony of a thread about over opinionated people arguing on Zoom has descended into a thread of over opinionated people arguing on STW?
Thus was it always so. 🙂
Excellent work from National Trust
https://twitter.com/nationaltrust/status/1357636349092913153?s=20
While we're talking shit is it OK for white people to call themselves 'woke' or is it cultural appropriation?
Thought I'd conflate my questions into the one place rather than spread across the forum.
"CAN PEOPLE STOP TALKING AT THE SAME TIME,WAIT FOR THE BEEP!"
Thats nothing you should have been there when i mentioned at our Parish Meeting that the Village (uber upper middle class) would benefit from a Social Housing development…
I've done similar - 10 years on we still have no new affordable housing.
Both my parents have been parish/town councillors. Both gave it up when pompous assholes started to get involved. I keep thinking its something I'd like to do but I fear I'd lose my patience/temper very quickly. Which might be what they actually need.
I’d lose my patience/temper very quickly. Which might be what they actually need.
but not necessarily in Handforth.
I’ve done similar – 10 years on we still have no new affordable housing.
Turn up with a placard stating 'No new homes for young people!'
"You have no authority here Jackie Weaver, no authority at all"
she proved him wrong 🙂
It only took till page 2 for this to become a pedantic argument, STW=Parish council.
Well, that's 18 minutes of my life I'll never get back again.
Bizarre, what an antiquated and entitled lot they are, is that representative of all of England? I don't mean the bellends, I mean the rules etc?.
Gammon is so much more than a term for a white middle aged man.
It’s a term for angry little men. Men who are conservative with a big and small c. It’s a term for people who like to use the term ‘I’m not racist but’. It’s a term for the narcissist and the nimby. The small minded, the mean, the culturally immature. It’s a term for those who wistfully look back to the good old days of the 80s and 90s with its section 28 and women had proper jobs on telly like game show hostess Miss World contestant.
I am white, male, middle aged and middle class and feel no reflected insult when a gammon is called a gammon.
Amen (although I'd say that gammon is equally applicable to women with the same mindset and attitude).
If calling gammons gammons upsets gammons then I'm all for gammons being called gammons the ****s
Now if they faced centuries of abuse they may actually start to get a tiny understanding of the hatred others have faced (typically caused gammons) throughout present times
I bet everyone of them voted for Brexit!
That video is really something - someone wiser than I could probably write a sociology thesis on it.
I’ve seen James Cleverly go all gammon on Question Time so I can’t see how it is racist
Gammom is a state of mind... not derived by social economic or ethnic grouping.
So is it racist to say someone is red faced when they’ve made a tit of themselves, if only some people can go red?
I had the misfortune of being a Parish Councillor around 10 years ago. They was no election as there were not enough people to fill the available places.
Mostly a group of 60yo+ women, probably 5 men, the rest older women. 2 other decent 'normal' people joined at the same time as me. We had all resigned with a year.
You could not find a more insular, backstabbing, lying bunch of people. They obviously met up in the week and got their stories right for the meetings, so they would all say the same thing. They accused a local reporter of swearing during a meeting, she didnt, I was right next to her. At the meeting, one person said they had heard her swear, the following week 4 others had heard it too, even though they were further away. They just lied to suit their agenda.
They didnt like the Clerk, couldnt sack her, so they paid her off, £14k. It was hidden in the accounts, they had a closed meeting to approve it, so it couldnt be reported.
The final straw was the plan to buy the local Police station. One of the oldest women had done a 'business plan' for the building. Myself and another decent one were both in the building trade. She said we could refurb it for £30k. We laughed, and said it'd be £150k+. They woudlnt listen, and went ahead and bought it. Then they couldnt afford to refurb it, so had to get a Government loan to pay for it. So our Parish now has 35 years of debt to pay. Thats when we left, as we didnt want to be associated with such incompetence and lies.
Gammom is a state
Is that the women?
Anyway, I'm all for consciousness raising in this oppressed group. Say it loud: I'm ham and proud!
Can we move this thread onto zoom?
Reminds me of the 7 or so years I did as Local Authority Safer Neighbourhoods Manager. I used to manage the network of local NAG (Neighbourhood Action Group - yes really!) meetings bringing together police, council, city councillors, county councillors, and some legendary parish councillors.
This vid has bought back memories of one particular NAG meeting where a local councillor wasn't getting his way with his request for part of his ward to have use of the local neighbourhood police team's SID (Speed Indication Device) to deal with speedy rat running. We had a few local secondary school students in to observe local democracy & decision making in action at that meeting. Well, cue this councillor not getting his way on the SID deployment, losing his sh*t and right in front of the police inspector chairing the meeting picking up his chair and WWE style throwing it across the room and storming out. I felt most for the secondary school pupils just there to observe - welcome to democracy! 😀
For any gammon snowflakes that get upset being called a gammon
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"I am the Parish Council"
Both that video and this thread are STW gold.😁
She’s on Last Leg at 10 tonight
This threads a belter
Can we move this thread onto zoom?
You don't have the authority.
🤘
Aled — ‘read the standing orders!’ — Brewerton is a solicitor it seems.😁
If I may drag this thread back to the subject of parish councils in Cheshire . . . Osama Bin Laden's daughter-in-law (Jane Felix-Browne) was a councillor on Moulton Parish Council.
Epic thread 💪
Poops - aled brewerton is a non-practicing solicitor; I wonder why - anger management issues?
If he doesn't have issues, he's a dick with a highly defective 'personality'.
These people hold actual power.
Nah…that’s the beauty of the parish council. Full of power-crazed **** wielding the sum total of zero power, unless this year’s Britain in Bloom entry counts as such
Thank ****. All the people on here who have utopian dreams of local politics run by progressive thinkers, dream on, this is what you get!
This is amazing.
I just can’t see using a shitty term based on them being white to do it
It's not based on them being white, it's based on them being angry. Brown people have blood vessels too. You racist.
Derogatory terms for white men pass the test though.
What about white women? You sexist.
I could be offended if I was called a gammon,
Don't be a gammon then. Simples. If you feel that the term applies to you then you can literally stop doing it right now.
If it were a racist term, could someone call me a gammon? I'm white after all, this is the criterion right? But it's not a term that's ever been levelled at me and indeed is one that I can say with a confident degree of certainty that will never be thrown at me. Why's that, do we think?
I could - and really probably should - take more offence at 'snowflake'.
A black person who is called something derogatory based on their colour
At the risk of repeating myself, these are not equivalences.
How is a white person calling another white person, well, anything, 'racist'?
How do we feel about black people addressing each other as 'my nigga', should we be intervening there? Ludicrous.
Late to this thread, but both it and the meeting are gold. I can't wait for it to get closed down so we can start another to discuss it, kind of like thread fractals spiralling ever onwards.
Can I also point out two things. Someone used nitty-gritty earlier which may be borderline racist.
And also Brads calling people fannies as a bad thing, likening them to lady's genitalia is sexist.
Can't a person of colour be a snowflake? I've never associated the personality trait with a skin colour.
I had to sit in on a "parish" council meeting. First point of order was a lady getting the minutes changed as the fire brigade were not called at 9:34 but 9:36.
It went downhill from there.
Agreed, it's a behaviour, not a physical state. Pretty shit insult though, as it basically singles the user out as a bawbag.
These are the sort of people who facilitated Brexit.
Aled Brewer reminds me of the copper from withnail and I that shouts 'Get in the back of the van'
Edit: poor spelling