[Closed] If you only watch one bizarre police/driver videoed interaction today. 🚨

Just a note to any police officers on this thread. If you ever stop me do not perform a stop and search as you’ll have to get clearance for the overtime. My car is a mobile playpen for the kids/extra storage space for crap that won’t fit under the stairs, in a cupboard or the shed.

OMG... yep... let alone I've given up trying to get the dirt off the bikes out...
Might actually be good though .. "Oh, that's where that glove went" .. I was moving deicer all summer...

Funny enou8gh only stopped twice in a car both very polite.
Once on the A59 when after a long drive I was playing with bits in the car I'd never tried... and somehow had fog lights on... I explained that to the officer who sent me on my way.

Another a random alcohol check where I had a sidebulb gone and after saying I had spare and could change it right then he congratulated me on the state of the car, having spare bulbs and didn't bother breathalysing me.

before I had kids

Yes it’s in America, but I find it a bit concerning how whenever there is mention of the potential for conscious or unconscious bias against certain groups by the police it’s always deny deny deny. I imagined you would have had training to cover that.

Grum, you seem to be using my admission that I can’t see who is driving when following a vehicle with privacy glass at night as me denying the potential for unconscious or conscious bias. At the least that’s a bit of a leap, or should I be taking that as irony because you’re quite clearly demonstrating conscious bias or stereotyping me?

Just to clarify I was basically saying that my eyes do not possess X-ray like abilities.

I used to have a traffic officer friend who worked in south london.
He said that he switched off the road fund licence setting on the anpr camera as there were simply too mamy cars that passed who pinged somethings up.
Then it was down to mot, insurance or dq driver or drugs intel on the vehicle in question.
Even then there were simply too many pings to stop every car so they would put in a stop if multiple pings came up or there was a chance of a stop leafing to further actoin

This was in London so maybe elsewhere the po might have the time to check the reg against make, model and colour

I was also sure you were not obliged to leave the vehicle under a simple roadside dtop and could hand over D L or id from the drivers seat

Rob also saod they were trained to be controlling and firm from the outset, to gain control of the situation and let you know who was in charge. Stops alot of nonsense and makes the driver more compliant, which is kinda what supercop does. Except the laddo in the car isnt having any of it.
Hes been stopped before, clearly and had probably been stopped for either some ****ish manoeuvres or a marker on the car saying he's a knobber.

Rob also saod they were trained to be controlling and firm from the outset, to gain control of the situation and let you know who was in charge. Stops alot of nonsense and makes the driver more compliant, which is kinda what supercop does.

That was not being controlling and firm at all - he did nothing but inflame the situation.

Grum, you seem to be using my admission that I can’t see who is driving when following a vehicle with privacy glass at night as me denying the potential for unconscious or conscious bias. At the least that’s a bit of a leap, or should I be taking that as irony because you’re quite clearly demonstrating conscious bias or stereotyping me?

Just to clarify I was basically saying that my eyes do not possess X-ray like abilities.

Sorry Mildred - I didn't realise you were talking specifically about night time and privacy glass, but I've seen on here and elsewhere time and time again this claim about 'oh we can't see who the driver is when we pull them over, so I've no idea why there just so happens to be many more black people pulled over'. Apologies if that's not what you were saying.

Grom

That was not being controlling and firm at all – he did nothing but inflame the situation.

Perhaps that what he thinks he's doing but as STM goes on to say ...

Except the laddo in the car isnt having any of it.

any why should he?
He's not doing anything wrong and just driving along so the officer has no control unless he plain makes something up which he can't do as he's being filmed.

Probably been stopped before

I’ve seen on here and elsewhere time and time again this claim about ‘oh we can’t see who the driver is when we pull them over, so I’ve no idea why there just so happens to be many more black people pulled over’.

And that's exactly my [counter] point.

How many folk do you drive behind and know their ethnicity? Night or day.

I'll go first if you like - none. Because they have their back to me, headrests are in the way and most windows have some degree of tinting. You seem keen to dismiss that so I'd like to know why.

grum
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That was not being controlling and firm at all – he did nothing but inflame the situation.

Exactly. For all the driver could have handled himself better, he was still the calming influence in the confrontation. Surely nobody can think that's appropriate?

Nope, don't think anyone here has said the PO acted correctly, he was clearly being a dick and it should be investigated (which is looks like it is)

However, if I had been stopped I would not have created that situation so a lesson to learn there maybe.

How many folk do you drive behind and know their ethnicity? Night or day.

I’ll go first if you like – none. Because they have their back to me, headrests are in the way and most windows have some degree of tinting. You seem keen to dismiss that so I’d like to know why.

Well none but then I'm not looking at them intently wondering whether to pull them over or not, and potentially following along behind them for a while, seeing them turn at junctions etc.

Also, I posted the link up there to a study about how black people get pulled over proportionally more in the daytime when their skin colour can be seen more easily - how do you explain that? Black people are worse at driving at night?

kerley

Nope, don’t think anyone here has said the PO acted correctly, he was clearly being a dick and it should be investigated (which is looks like it is)

However, if I had been stopped I would not have created that situation so a lesson to learn there maybe.

You say that but correct me if I'm wrong your context is that specific stop.
If this was the 3rd or 4th time that month (or week) where you are literally doing nothing wrong and you get pulled over for no proper reason you may start to act a little differently to having some non existent authority exerted over you.

The PO was being filmed who's to say what would have happened if not? He makes it clear he's happy to arrest him for anything and implies he will make something up if necessary.

Who's to say he won't just give the bloke a good kicking if there are no witnesses?

I don't know, you're the one making the statement, it's not up to me to support it.

You say that but correct me if I’m wrong your context is that specific stop.
If this was the 3rd or 4th time that month (or week) where you are literally doing nothing wrong and you get pulled over for no proper reason you may start to act a little differently to having some non existent authority exerted over you.

Was this his 3rd or 4th stop?
What were the other stops for?
(I know you can't answer that because you have just made it up to try and make your point for some reason)

Or maybe his car was not legally registered for it's colour and he could maybe clear that up IF he is getting stopped for it many times?

I would like to know why he is getting stopped so often (in your made up point) as I haven't been stopped for around 30 years.

I used to have a traffic officer friend who worked in south london.
He said that he switched off the road fund licence setting

What on earth is a "road fund licence"? Do you mean VED? The tax disc hasn't funded the roads in almost 80 years, I'm surprised to see this on a cycling forum.

How many folk do you drive behind and know their ethnicity? Night or day.

I’ll go first if you like – none.

Most of them. Look in their driver's door mirror.

I don’t know, you’re the one making the statement, it’s not up to me to support it.

What a weird thing to say, it's called a discussion. The study I linked to would strongly suggest that police can see the ethnicity of drivers in the daytime and this affects who gets pulled over - which you were arguing couldn't happen. If you're just going to pretend that isn't the case or doesn't matter, then... well I guess we're done here.

Was this his 3rd or 4th stop?
What were the other stops for?
(I know you can’t answer that because you have just made it up to try and make your point for some reason)

The reason is we don't know but the point I'm making is it's completely different to view this as a one off and as a frequent thing.

I haven't been stopped in over a decade (and that was pleasant)... but it does seem certain people do get stopped very often and I'd suggest one reason is their plate has been noted (as alluded to the the officer in the video, he'll get him for something)
I've also heard from serving officers that this is a thing.

Or maybe his car was not legally registered for it’s colour and he could maybe clear that up IF he is getting stopped for it many times?

That's covered in the video... and was that actually these case then the officer makes it very clear he'd have nicked him for it (or anything else).

We also heard that driving the wrong car through the wrong area can get you pulled over.
So if this was happening to you how far out of your way would you go to drive your car through the "correct area"? What if you live in the wrong area for your car? (Say you live somewhere affluent but are happy driving a 20yr old Polo)

Overall, what I'm saying is people's reaction to the police is largely determined by how they have been treated previously.

I would like to know why he is getting stopped so often (in your made up point) as I haven’t been stopped for around 30 years.

This is the other point.
You assume he's being stopped for "something".
I used to think this ... "no smoke without fire" but then after being stopped 3 times in 2 months for "carrying a DSLR" (Not using.. just carrying openly) I started to question.

One example I was at the British Museum (just outside) and got searched.
Bearing in mind where I was the "why are you carrying a camera" question is a complete piss-take/power trip. Like shock... someone takes a camera to a museum???

My answer along the lines of "It's a museum" then escalated into assault covered by a stop and search. What is the correct answer? "I'm sorry officer I'll go home and put the camera way"?

One of them took every opportunity to jab me in the ribs with a pen the entire time whilst inviting me quietly to resist in front of witnesses. During the course of the search the officers found two parking notices they then tried to have a go at me over. I was carrying a full priunted version of PACE as it applies to cameras but they were having non of it.

So yeah, before this I'd assume the person being roughly searched must have done "something"?
After this I assume the reverse based on my experience. If I am approached by a police officer now they get the absolute minimum cooperation, I record it at refer them to PACE at every point they act illegally.

My guess from watching that video is the bloke in the car has had previous bad experiences.

The first time I was stopped for "having a camera" I was quite scared.... after it happened I researched. By the 3rd time I was quite literally telling them what they can and cannot do... at which point one of them wanted to take me somewhere not on camera.
Sadly his colleague intervened.

**** me, is this one still going?

I guess it is raining, so less of the STW forumites will have been riding....

STW forumites will have been riding….

🤣 riding

What is a riding?

Rfl ved wgaf. Pedantry is like sarcasm rreally.
Picking on 'not relevant to the discussion' points and cut and paste with a haaaa haaa your post contains information that is factually incorrect smacks of pettiness and almost brings it down to classroom bullying

Every other bugger who read thay knew exactly the point i was putting across, but for some reason didnt feel the need to bring it to everyone else attention

The reason I called it out is because referring to it as a "road fund," which it isn't and hasn't been since 1937, reinforces the whole "you don't pay road tax!" argument that users of this forum get thrown at them from motorists on a regular basis. As (theoretically) cyclists it's a dangerous myth to be perpetuating.

Your odd usage of 'fund' rather than 'tax' suggested to me that you didn't know this. Which was all the more reason to mention it.

Sorry, said I was out of here but...

If this was the 3rd or 4th time that month (or week) where you are literally doing nothing wrong and you get pulled over for no proper reason you may start to act a little differently to having some non existent authority exerted over you.

To what end?

Most of them. Look in their driver’s door mirror.

Really, how close to folk do you drive? In slow traffic maybe but otherwise?

What a weird thing to say, it’s called a discussion.

Yeah, how weird someone might actually want you to back up your argument. You're right, how silly of me. I think you confused discussion with turning the question around.

Yeah, how weird someone might actually want you to back up your argument.

When I'd already posted an actual peer-reviewed study that analysed 95 million traffic stop records which supported what I was saying, and you just went 'well I can't tell, so....' as if that proves anything at all.

Jesus, this kind of shite is why I gave up on FB.

just leaving this here

Well, that's avoidance of doubt right there.

I'm a pussy and I'd have been far less restrained than that driver.

... the last few sensationalist minutes of the video aside, anyway.

I haven’t been stopped in over a decade (and that was pleasant)… but it does seem certain people do get stopped very often and I’d suggest one reason is their plate has been noted (as alluded to the the officer in the video, he’ll get him for something)
I’ve also heard from serving officers that this is a thing.

I think your serving police officer acquaintances want you to believe that’s a thing. There’s plenty of work for them to do without making shit up and intentionally engaging with the idiot parts of the public more often. Not going to suggest that it’s not possible for someone to wrongly put some sort of intelligence marker on a vehicle as vengeance but equally if you keep getting stopped for the same thing - carry your docs (or a copy of them) and the DVLA info/website that says the Colour is correct and you’ll be on on your merry way feeling smug in no time.

I don't know when that was filmed but if recent, shouldn't the copper be wearing a mask before leaning into the window like that and shouldn't they both be wearing masks while sitting in the coppers car? Since the police have apparently been fining people for not wearing masks n all.

My guess from watching that video is the bloke in the car has had previous bad experiences.

Great, so as well as making up that he has been stopped many times he now has also had many bad experiences.

He's definitely had one bad experience.

I get the feeling he quite likes the confrontation

Yeah but what about the guy that got stopped?

Ba-doom-tish!