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Most odd. Was the cop having a bad day and just go a bit ott? Driver was being a bit pedantic but in all honestly he didn't seem to merit the response.
What do you guys think?
Yeah - weird. I can imagine why the police officer wanted to throw the book at him because he was a right * - but I think, if you're a police officer, that you're not supposed to react like I do to complete *s 🙂
I suspect if he wasn't having a bad day he's had a few since, though... Police officer or not, it's someone who isn't doing their job correctly, in my opinion. Nothing shocking like tasering old ladies, but he could probably use some training in his communication skills...
Both are dicks.
Was the policeman a sergeant? If so they really should know better
1m 22s the cop says exactly what I thought. The prick in the car turned a simple traffic stop into a big issue. Why not just open the window and talk reasonably to the bloke doing his job? Jaguar driving knobend.
What do you guys think?
It’s not quite how I’d have done it.
Why didn't the driver do as he was asked at the outset though? If he'd simply done as he was asked then it wouldn't have escalated.
Drivers a roaster, cop probably pissed off with dealing with roasters all day.
From what we've been shown, it looks like a massive overreach of police powers. The guy was, apparently legally, driving his car, but then gets (incorrectly, as it happens, but perhaps understandably) stopped. Then it goes out of control because the police officer's authoritah isn't respected, so he accuses the driver (whilst sat in their car, engine off) of planning to run a police officer over, of having drugs etc. Particularly egregiously, he then tells the driver he's definitely getting a ticket for an as-yet undetermined crime.
Just because it's less hassle to comply with aggressive policing doesn't mean we should. I probably wouldn't have been as bolshie but the guy in the car has highlighted how ridiculous this stop was, and the poor (and probably widespread) attitude of the police officer.
This isn't policing by consent and if we've learnt anything from the USA in the last 6-8 months, we should all be on the side of the driver (even if he's probably a bit of a prick).
aggressive policing
😆 brilliant!
What do you guys think?
Wish I hadn't bothered watching.
sirromj
Full Member
What do you guys think?Wish I hadn’t bothered watching.
I'd offer you a refund but....
Apart from any stop is perfectly legal and the law requires you to identify yourself. Also the video is incomplete. Driver a complete roaster and gets no sympathy from me.
He didn't get the window smashed which the cop could have.
the correct answer to the police when being stopped is always " yes sir" then the interactions go smoothly.
Over the years I have had many interactions with police a couple of which I could have been arrested for and a couple more had traffic penalties. Pleasantness costs nothing and indeed when dealing with the police saves you a lot of time and agrro
I'll bet my house the driver was obnoxious from the off and the cop being human lost his temper
From what we’ve been shown, it looks like a massive overreach of police powers
Clearly the 'interaction' has started before the driver/passenger has started filming. It seems like the driver was pulled over because the car has been sprayed/wrapped to make it not match the DVLA records, so at first glance it looks red/blue/green/whatever rather than black. And after being stopped in what the officer has reasonably assumed is a stolen/cloned/uninsured car, the driver seems to have locked himself in and kept the windows up.
I’d offer you a refund but….
I didn't ask?
It’s not quite how I’d have done it.
"Is this your car, sir?"
"Maybe..."
"TASER! TASER! TASER!"
😆 brilliant!
So you don't think that waving a baton, threatening to smash a window and then dragging someone out of a car was aggressive? No crime had been committed.
sirromj
Full Member
I’d offer you a refund but….I didn’t ask?
You actually bothered to come back into a thread you have no interest in to post that. Ok...😄
So you don’t think that waving a baton
That's the first thing that happened, yeah?
Just another entitled prick in a car is the only problem I see there.
So you don’t think that waving a baton, threatening to smash a window and then dragging someone out of a car was aggressive
Not overly so. the driver was being unreasonable and the policeman has the right to use force. There is a reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed and the driver is refusing to co operate. The police have the right to use force to comply co operation
Its something the public do not seem to understand.
You actually bothered to come back into a thread you have no interest in to post that. Ok…😄
Careful now or I'll waive my baton.
sirromj
Careful now or I’ll waive my baton.
That's definitely content for the zoom thread I posted.lol
The driver was being a dick, you are never going to get the best from anybody by starting off like that.
If you have nothing to hide, just open the window and talk to the copper. Of course it got his back up and and made him suspicious. Granted he didn't bathe himself if glory after that but still...
That’s the first thing that happened, yeah?
No, obviously not.
Just another entitled prick in a car is the only problem I see there.
I see an entitled prick in uniform too. 🤷
As I said in my first post, I think the driver may well be a prick, and yes his actions probably escalated the interaction. But that doesn't mean it's OK for a police officer to overstep the mark, accuse people of crimes with no evidence and try to use his power / authority / weapons to 'win' what was ultimately a pointless argument.
That police officer is not acting in the best interests of society. It doesn't look like he cares about society, it looks like he cares about reinforcing the power of the police force. And that should be concerning to any citizen.
drag the guy from the car, smash the phone and arrest him for wasting police time while giving him a bit of a beating.
or just do as the officer says and get on with it.
you are never going to get the best from anybody by starting off as an argumentative prick
Point of order, that's how most of the best threads here start.
He didn’t get the window smashed which the cop could have.
Are the police really allowed to smash windows?
I might not be that inclined to wind down my window, or leave the car, if someone is acting aggressively and threatening to use physical force to get to me.
Of course they are aidy. How else do they arrest a criminal locked in a car and its an oft used tactic.
the cop would not be threatening force if the driver co operated. a cop is allowed to use force to get complience
The driver's definitely a bit of a dick. The officer's a bit of a dick while acting in a professional capacity right up until when he says the driver's getting a ticket for "something", then he veers into the general area of misconduct. I'm surprised so many posters think this is OK because the driver has been annoying or the officer might have had a bad day.
Of course they are aidy. How else do they arrest a criminal locked in a car and its an oft used tactic.
Well, if they were in a house, police would have to have a warrant to do so.
I'd hope that a single officer couldn't break into a car on just their own authority.
I actually cannot believe there are people here defending the policeman! At what point did the bloke in the car act in anyway that could be described as a danger to the policemans life. He said you "get a ticket for something" then proceeded to profile him based on how he looked saying he could have a knife, gun or drugs. Told the bloke he was gonna "floor it and run him over" despite the engine being off. How people can defend this policeman is beyond me.
Was the cop having a bad day and just go a bit ott?
No the police man is 100% in the wrong, I can 100% bet being a white male I would not have had that experience with that policeman.
Why didn’t the driver do as he was asked at the outset though
He did, but when someone says they are going to smash your window how else is he supposed to react.
Yeah – weird. I can imagine why the police officer wanted to throw the book at him because he was a right *
Just how is the driver a *? He did nothing wrong. In the first instance police man stops him for apparently driving a black merc when the blokes not even driving a merc in the first place.
Apart from any stop is perfectly legal and the law requires you to identify yourself. Also the video is incomplete. Driver a complete roaster and gets no sympathy from me.
I think they call this an unconscious bias...
1m 22s the cop says exactly what I thought. The prick in the car turned a simple traffic stop into a big issue
Or it was the police man who said "you're gonna get a ticket for something"
The state of the world these days. There is a clear over reach of power and people side with the copper. behave.
Point of order, that’s how most of the best threads here start.
Point taken and I stand corrected 😀
Or it was the police man who said “you’re gonna get a ticket for something”
Nope he says that after the entitled **** refuses to have a reasonable conversation. If you can't see that, you're obviously just biased against the police.
The most amazing thing is that someone actually got stopped for ANYTHING in their car. Lately, I don't see any police cars and I see loads of people driving like bellends.
Clearly the ‘interaction’ has started before the driver/passenger has started filming. It seems like the driver was pulled over because the car has been sprayed/wrapped to make it not match the DVLA records, so at first glance it looks red/blue/green/whatever rather than black. And after being stopped in what the officer has reasonably assumed is a stolen/cloned/uninsured car, the driver seems to have locked himself in and kept the windows up.
This.
That police officer is not acting in the best interests of society. It doesn’t look like he cares about society, it looks like he cares about reinforcing the power of the police force. And that should be concerning to any citizen.
Oh behave.
I see an entitled prick in uniform too.
Yeah, he is a bit of a prick in that vid (well, comes across as not very good at his job), but you do realise he actually [i]is[/i] entitled?
’d hope that a single officer couldn’t break into a car on just their own authority
I suspect they can, or should they have to go through the courts? What if somebody was incapacitated, a child alone, even a dog on hot day. Incredibly difficult job made more difficult by entitled idiots. Comply then argue the toss at the station when you have a lawyer with you.
Nope he says that after the entitled **** refuses to have a reasonable conversation. If you can’t see that, you’re obviously just biased against the police.
How do you have a reasonable conversation with someone that says "im gonna smash your window" its overly aggressive. The person in the car was calm and the policeman was being aggressive - he wanted to assert is power when he didn't need to. Also at what point was the guy in the car acting entitled? The policeman didn't like the fact he knew the rules of what the policeman could and couldn't do.
Lastly, just to be clear do you think its acceptable for the policeman to stop someone and say "you're gonna get a ticket for something" at that point the policeman is going to make up a charge just to give this guy a ticket. Its a reach but whos to say tomorrow the same policeman doesn't plant drugs on someone next week to "give them a ticket for something"
How is this any different to whats been happening in America.
the correct answer to the police when being stopped is always ” yes sir” then the interactions go smoothly.
"sir"?
Are you a small child?
Nope he says that after the entitled **** refuses to have a reasonable conversation. If you can’t see that, you’re obviously just biased against the police.
The only time I've been stopped by police in my car was when I deserved it (boring story). That's not the same experience that many people (of colour, but also profiling by car type etc) have.
You may therefore think that the best way to act in that scenario is to be placid and polite, but I don't think you can judge others for approaching that situation differently, given what we know about institutional racism in our society and especially the police.
Although I cannot see through the lens of the driver in this video, I suspect his experience of policing is different to mine. It matters not a jot whether I (or you) think the officer believes the driver is a law-abiding citizen/prick/criminal or vice versa. However, we can at least try to take emotion and anecdotal experience out of the equation here, by inspecting the video in terms of objective facts:
1) The driver is not seen to commit any offence, and his subsequent release (despite the attitude of the police officer) suggests there was no crime committed on his part.
2) Meanwhile, the police officer is verbally and physically aggressive and tells the driver he's getting a ticket without grounds. That's clearly an over-reach.
And we get to...
The state of the world these days. There is a clear over reach of power and people side with the copper. behave.
This ^^^
Well, if they were in a house, police would have to have a warrant to do so.
Not in all circumstances ie in pursuit or if the cop believes a crime is in progress (IIRC) or someones life is in danger.
I just think many on here do not realise how broad a cops discretion is
I do not condone the cop going OTT but I can understand and sympathise why
The policeman didn’t like the fact he knew the rules of what the policeman could and couldn’t do.
Errmmm =- he didn't. the usual belief that a cop cannot lay on hands or force complience
I actually cannot believe there are people here defending the policeman!
I know, it's bizarre.
I mean, I know the driver wasn't doing himself any favours by refusing to wind his window down, but they could obviously communicate through it, and the driver was trying to clear up the car colour confusion. Police officer chose to escalate.
Yeah, he is a bit of a prick in that vid (well, comes across as not very good at his job), but you do realise he actually is entitled?
He is not entitled to stop a car based on the racial profile of the occupant*
He is not entitled to use unreasonable force
He is not entitled to threaten punishment when no crime has been committed
*Yes, this is clearly speculation on my part but it's not unreasonable in the climate we live in
The correct answer to the police when being stopped is always "yes sir" then the interactions go smoothly.
I have never called a policeman sir in my life. One once referred to me as "son" at which point I reminded him hes not my dad and im 32 yr old grown up. (well was at that point.) Treat people as you wish to be treated if you come at someone being aggressive don't be surprised if they are aggressive back.
“sir”?
Are you a small child?
This. I aint calling no policeman sir.
Its only bizarre if you have a totally false view of police powers and think its perfectly OK to obstruct an officer.
Seen a lot of these sort of videos on YouTube recently, for some reason - a lot of people seem to go out of their way to provoke cops with the intention of filming them being arseholes. A popular venue seems to be taking photos of the outside of Intuo shopping centres knowing full well that the security guy will come out and tell you, with no justification, that it's illegal. Then they call the cops and it all kicks off. I saw one where the cops threatened the photogapher to arrest him for harassment.
Its only bizarre if you have a totally false view of police powers and think its perfectly OK to obstruct an officer.
Kind of my view. Given the shit we expect the Police to deal with, the very rare times they've had to have a chat with me I've done my best to make it easy for both of us.
I appreciate that my white, male, middle class life experience is different than many others.
The big problem with police is that they are also people. They suffer from the same issues and weaknesses as the rest of us.
Was he a bit heavy handed in the face of an obstructive smart arse? Yes.
Does that make him an actual Nazi? No.
He’s not a robot and is doing a difficult job under difficult circumstances. I’m prepared to cut him a lot more slack than some tadger who has failed to comply with a perfectly reasonable request to roll down the window. The second he became non compliant the copper has to reasonably assume that he was likely to continue down that route.
I’d have tasered him right off the bat.
He is not entitled to stop a car based on the racial profile of the occupant*
He didn't. He stopped it because the polates did not match the colour ie supicsion it was a cloned car
He is not entitled to use unreasonable force
He didn't. Even smashing the window would have been reasonable - he wants the guy out of the car or to get the car keys so he cannot make off and thats accdeptable
He is not entitled to threaten punishment when no crime has been committed
Several crimes have been committed
Its only bizarre if you have a totally false view of police powers and think its perfectly OK to obstruct an officer.
Oh come on TJ. Even if that's your viewpoint, you must accept that people can have a different view. My personal belief is that the police primarily exist to protect the corporate / political power structures in the UK. Business can't function with people running amok. I can't remember the last time a police officer actually helped me or anyone I know. I know they do help citizens some of the time, but that's not their primary use. I'm not even against that per se, it allows us to live our lives. But I do have a problem if it's done in a racist or unfair way and law-abiding citizens get trodden on. Consciously or not, that officer is reinforcing power structures in the UK.
Whilst that may not be a commonly-held belief, the police supposedly exist to work for us and protect us by consent and that's not what's happening in the video.
I’d have tasered him right off the bat.
Problem is the darts would bounce off the window and you'd likely taser yourself in the leg.
Seen a lot of these sort of videos on YouTube recently, for some reason – a lot of people seem to go out of their way to provoke cops with the intention of filming them being arseholes.
but when its your word against a police officer what else are you supposed to do? The policeman is allowed to film the interaction (providing his camera is actually on) so why can't the person being questioned do the same. If I was stopped on the regs (i have the luxury of being a tall white middle class male) I would be filming the police so I can prove what happened.
Also, not at one single point did this bloke provoke the policeman.
I appreciate that my white, male, middle class life experience is different than many others.
This! Case in point I literally walk around my local sainos putting stuff in my tote bag because these days I don't want to use a basket and no one says a thing. 100% bet if I wasn't white and dressed in a tracksuit that wouldn't be possible.
I’d have tasered him right off the bat.
Thank god you don't work for the police.
the police supposedly exist to work for us and protect us by consent and that’s not what’s happening in the video.
That consent is provided by our society as a collective, not as individuals. An individual can’t unilaterally withdraw that consent
Kind of my view. Given the shit we expect the Police to deal with, the very rare times they’ve had to have a chat with me I’ve done my best to make it easy for both of us.
I appreciate that my white, male, middle class life experience is different than many others.
I'll this this too.
The big problem with police is that they are also people. They suffer from the same issues and weaknesses as the rest of us.
Was he a bit heavy handed in the face of an obstructive smart arse? Yes.
Does that make him an actual Nazi? No.
He’s not a robot and is doing a difficult job under difficult circumstances. I’m prepared to cut him a lot more slack than some tadger who has failed to comply with a perfectly reasonable request to roll down the window. The second he became non compliant the copper has to reasonably assume that he was likely to continue down that route.
And this
My personal belief is that the police exist to protect the power structures in the UK. I can’t remember the last time a police officer actually helped me or anyone I know. Consciously or not, that officer is reinforcing power structures in the UK and suppressing citizens.
And going in with that mindset is not exactly going to give you a objective view, is it?
Thank god you don’t work for the police
If I did you’d be getting a ticket for something.
After a thorough tasering.
That consent is provided by our society as a collective, not as individuals. An individual can’t unilaterally withdraw that consent
Yes, obviously. During that particular traffic stop, the officer was not acting in the interests of society at large. He was acting in the interests of the police force and reinforcing society's power structures.
And going in with that mindset is not exactly going to give you a objective view, is it?
Well of course I'm going to disagree with that. The trouble is that as a white middle class (approaching) middle-aged man I have an experience that is very different from that of others. But I am trying to see the world through different perspectives. Per my post above, I have tried to break the interaction down to demonstrable facts rather than opinions which are clearly biased by our own experiences.
If you are interested in reading different viewpoints about policing, try this. Obviously it's based in America but the principles are generalisable to the UK.
I don't necessarily agree with everything in that article and not to the extent that he describes but it's another viewpoint.
https://inthesetimes.com/article/police-and-poor-people
As I've already stated, I don't believe this is a bad thing per se. I just don't think the average citizen should see the police force as anything more beneficent than E.g. a private security firm that's employed to stop people nicking CDs from HMV*. And I certainly don't think that traffic stops with over-reaching police officers like the one in the OP are in the interests of most individuals - which is the purported reason for their existence.
*Bang up to date cultural reference, I know.
Also, not at one single point did this bloke provoke the policeman.
yes he did. He was obstructive right from the start and refused a lawful instruction.
No he was protecting society by investigating someone who he had a reasonable belief might have committed an offence against that society who was not complying with reasonable requests.
Several crimes have been committed
in your opinion. The police let him go so clearly no crime was committed, which we can only assume the policemans actions were wrong.
No he was protecting society by investigating someone who he had a reasonable belief might have committed an offence against that society
the offence to society being driving a black merc when he was infact in a black jag?
BBC: the man tries to forcefully explain from inside the car that he believed he had done nothing wrong
I bet the officer meets lots of people who forcefully explain that they've done nothing wrong!
Well, if they were in a house, police would have to have a warrant to do so.
I’d hope that a single officer couldn’t break into a car on just their own authority.
A house is private property, a car on the public road isn't.
Also, not at one single point did this bloke provoke the policeman.
He refused to get out of his car so that the officer could check his/the cars details. It's not about provocation (it's not okay for a policeman to give you a kicking because you call him a stinky-poopoo-head), it's about the officer doing his job, and someone not complying with a lawful request.
Flip it around, imagine the officer had pulled over a red car 'wearing' the plates of a black car. And then the driver had refused to show any ID, refused to open the window, refused to unlock the car or get out. Would it be right for the officer to just say "okey doke, nothing dodgy about that, have a nice day sir"?
Also, comparing someone being pulled over for driving a car that doesn't match DVLA records, being cuffed for a few minutes and then released to innocent people in the US being shot dead for no good reason by racist cops is a bit of a stretch.
the offence to society being driving a black merc when he was infact in a black jag?
No, the offence (and it's not an offence in itself, it's just suggestive of one) was driving a non-black car with number plates that belong to a black car. As it turns out, that's because every panel except the roof (probably not visible to the officer from his own car, by definition his head must have been lower than his car roof) was no longer black.
the correct answer to the police when being stopped is always ” yes sir” then the interactions go smoothly.
Unless you're George Floyd of course.
No he was protecting society by investigating someone who he had a reasonable belief might have committed an offence against that society who was not complying with reasonable requests.
Absolutely: the policeman helpfully described the offence as "something".
The police let him go so clearly no crime was committed, which we can only assume the policemans actions were wrong
That's not how it works. The police must arrest innocent people all the time, because there's reasonable suspicion to do so. It doesn't necessarily mean the police were wrong, sometimes they are of course, either through error or malice.
No, the offence (and it’s not an offence in itself, it’s just suggestive of one) was driving a non-black car with number plates that belong to a black car. As it turns out, that’s because every panel except the roof (probably not visible to the officer from his own car, by definition his head must have been lower than his car roof) was no longer black.
You know what dude, what ever eases your unconscious bias into thinking the police man acted in a reasonable way. If that happened to Tarquin or Timmothy im sure the conversation people would be having would be totally different
That’s not how it works. The police must arrest innocent people all the time, because there’s reasonable suspicion to do so
Ok, so lets break this down. Someone a few comments above said "several crimes had been committed," which was what I was commenting on. Not one word from that sentence suggest suspicion. Once taken to the station they decided he didn't? So who right someone on SingleTrack or the police who later decide he didnt commit a crime. All we know is he didn't commit a single crime... but clearly you know more.
Reading some of the above, there really is no application of logic or common sense to some people on here, is there. No wonder threads go round and round in tedious circles.
No wonder threads go round and round in tedious circles
No they don't.
the correct answer to the police when being stopped is always ” yes sir” then the interactions go smoothly.
Agree with the approach (although not the yes sir bit)
Used to get stopped a few times a year when I was young as I drove like a ****er. Police would come to door, I would wind down window or get out (whatever they requested) and be very polite the whole time. I would sometimes even smile when they referred to me as Nigel Mansell (yes it was some time ago!).
I never got a ticket, not once, in the ~20 times I was stopped and no event ever escalated in any way at all. But then I didn't have a camera filming me and an audience to impress...
You know what dude, what ever eases your unconscious bias into thinking the police man acted in a reasonable way. If that happened to Tarquin or Timmothy im sure the conversation people would be having would be totally different.
The driver is unnamed, and as far as I could see in the video, is white*! His skin tone behind the identity protecting blur is very similar to the officers.
*I'm not btw, how dare you suggest that I'm a racist.
Copper who probably had a bad day and fancied going a bit 'Dirty Harry' meets fairly clued up smartarse.
From this point on the rest is fairly inevitable.
I'm reminded of the scene (great scene in a great film btw) in 'Wilt' where Mr Wilt (Grif Rhys Jones) who is a smartarse is being questioned by the heavy handed copper (Mel Smith). He can't or won't compromise on his desire to be a smartarse in order to get the guy off his case, or at least not end up being nicked.
A house is private property, a car on the public road isn’t.
Sure. But you're still wilfully damaging someone's private property.
The driver is unnamed, and as far as I could see in the video, is white*! His skin tone behind the identity protecting blur is very similar to the officers.
*I’m not btw, how dare you suggest that I’m a racist.
An unconscious bias can extend further than race. I spent enough of my youth getting stopped and searched by police and followed around stores simply because "i fit the description" or "looked like someone who committed a crime in the area" The only "crime" I committed was being a lanky kid in a baggy tracksuit with his hood up.
Driver was being a nob, but I reluctantly side with him here.
The cop should be trained to de-escalate a situation, but he seems to do everything he can to escalate it.
Driver was being a nob, but I reluctantly side with him here.
In the wars of the nob, I think the copper wins hands down.
Driver was being a nob,
..as was the policeman.
That's the trouble with people. Sometimes they're nobs.
FWIW I've been pulled over by the cops on three separate occasions in my wife's car for exactly the same reason as the nob in that video.
Her car is an odd kind of beigey - silvery- gold colour but the v5 lists it as being grey. It's only grey under certain light conditions and if you squint a bit but that's what it's described as on the V5.
Each time i've been stopped the conversation has been pretty much the same
Po-po - "Can you open the window / step out of the car?"
PP - "Yes officer, no problem"
Po-po "Is this your vehicle?"
PP - "No, it's my wife's car but I use it for work"
Po-po - "The reason we've stopped you today is that the records show that the registration mark for this vehicle is showing as belonging to a grey car..."
PP - "What colour do you think it is?"
Po-po - "...erm - it's a kinda beigy - silvery - goldy colour"
PP - "What would you call that? I haven't a clue becasue i'm colour blind. Does it look a bit grey? That's what it says on the V5"
Po-po - "Yeah, maybe"
The first time I was asked to produce documents but not the other twice.
The policeman should have de-escalated the situation but the nob in the car could and should have complied and been on his way in minutes with absolutely zero drama if he so chose.
Bad choices all round, but it was a perfectly reasonable stop.
I'm a white, slightly tubby, middle aged balding man driving a Renault Grand Scenic. That practically qualifies me for membership of the Illuminati.
If they can stop me three times for a mismatch in perceived vehicle colour then anyone else is also fair game.
“Is this your car, sir?”
“Maybe…”
“TASER! TASER! TASER!”
Only if there are kids in the back.
Seems many here believe the police have the right to stop you- which they do. But also they can then do anything, including forcibly removing you and holding you in custody without any crime actually being committed.
'Please sit in my car'
This is you being placed into custody. Once you enter the police car they have you, and you cannot leave until they say you can leave. The premis is no actual crime has been committed, but you are being held against your will.
The law is VERY exacting, it needs to be, and the things the police say to you have connotations that you will not be aware of.
Why do you think the career criminals repeat 'no comment' there it is the job or the law to prove, and currently with your average citizen they are fishing.
How many times have we heard " I can smell cannabis" only for no such thing to be found on the driver, the passengers and even when they bring a dog in, who's sense of smell is hugely more sensitive to a humans makes no indication there are drugs present.
The law is the law is the law, but too often it is the police who usurp it, and that cheapens it.
I while a kid got a conviction for having a lock knife on me, and the reason was i was just back from camping, and told them. Arrived back that morning, me and mate Geoff in that horribly long drive to the mull and back. That was the reason I gave, however..
#In court to police said and i quote, they claimed when asked, I stated " It's fur my ain protection" I come from thew posh bit of Glasgow, and A, i dont speak like that and B. Never uttered those words WHATSOEVER. I dont need such things, especially not in Newlands and I've never associated with people who do or did. We were more into Dungeons and dragons and on the atari ,not committing crimes or anything.
By saying such, it is an AUTOMATIC conviction.
In court i got a fine, and in court they held up both officers and pointed out their length of service, as if that be prof enough.
That day I lost faith in the police
Only if there are kids in the back.
Surely the responsible thing to do there would be to let the driver borrow your taser and do it himself.
From what I've seen from the police, part of their job seems to be to try to wind people up until you do something they can arrest you for.
In this case the tables were turned and the 'perp' tried to wind up the copper up until he did something he could get in trouble for.
It was nice to see.
I’d have tasered him right off the bat.
And people are scratching their heads about why he didn't want to wind his window down.
Ignoring the taser, he was filming his interaction. Filming is the only protection you have against the police given that they seem to be able to lose their footage whenever it's convenient. Had he wound his window down the copper would have been able to grab the phone and the 'perp' would have been left unprotected, so keeping the window up seems fairly sensible.
Face it, some people don't trust the police. After watching that video do you really have to ask why?
There's a lot of people who don't seem to understand or accept how the law, the Police, and the society that created them are supposed to work.
And people are scratching their heads about why he didn’t want to wind his window down.
You do know that I am not, or never have been , a serving police officer, yeah?
They wouldn't let me on account of my propensity for tasering.