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I've taken the liberty of using "we" because I'm one of the freeloaders, but, let's go.
I reckon very left of Tory, but slightly right of Labour? Greenish maybe? I've no agenda here, I just love the political insights, opinions and biases here 🤗
Peoples Front of Judea, obviously Brian
I reckon very left of Tory, but slightly right of Labour?<br /><br />
lefter than communism itself IMO.
Way left of what currently passes for the Labour Party I reckon.
very left of Tory, but slightly right of Labour
Is that even possible ?
Peoples Front of Judea, obviously Brian
He's called brian2, aswell, like he died and then came a second time after emerging from a cave...
...makes you think...
Monster raving loony party with a leftist agenda
I re-dissasemble that marked remark. Quack! I am a fish.
probably in scotland, wondering where the oil money is going, deluded in thinking we are still in europe
but
out enjoying the trails cos we realise its all a load of buzzcocks.
Count Bin Fire can be our leader.
That is not a typo.
I think that we would be at war over a trivial matter with everyone and would have deployed the 1st airborne sausage hammer brigade to weak havoc across the globe.
But really, if STW was a political party, it would probably be overtly to the left of current Labour with occasional bouts of UKIPery (unfortunately there do seem to be some fairly awful right wing views expressed on here IMO. I can live with the bickering but supporting the death penalty!?)
where would we be?
Opposition
I should have taken it a step further and asked what STW Party's manifesto would look like 😯. I dread to think.
Which forumites for ministerial posts?
Ernie: Antagonism
Dazh: Entrenchment
Tj: Seperatism
Scotroutes: Pragmatism
Count Zero: Transport
Oops, suppers ready....
Sod politics and sod democracy! It’s be a brutal, authoritarian, military dictatorship with TJ as our glorious leader!
TJ as a dictator is terrifying, especially with those suspiciously small hands. That’s a worrying trait amongst tin pot dictators.
Which forumites for ministerial posts?
Not joking, I'm convinced there was genuinely a thread on this.
It actually got quite serious, there was genuine debate as to which ministerial post certain Big Hitters would fulfil.
Surely STW is a benevolent dictatorship (Mark), with the Mods as the (Not So) Secret Police?
The military wing of the Anarchy Party.
Trussforkonomicsolidarabicaaeropressnostgravelduceantizionone party
Sod politics and sod democracy! It’s be a brutal, authoritarian, military dictatorship with TJ as our glorious leader!
+1
Mwaaa hahaha
I've always found STW in general to be comfy right of centre by and large, so liberal democrat. Way to the right of me thats for sure and I'm just a "pale pink wishy washy liberal" according to Ernie 🙂
Personally - Dark Green. Zero growth, anti capitalist, fundamentalist green with a visceral loathing of tories
When I saw this yesterday evening I thought to myself, everyone will say we're slightly to the left of the Labour position. The folks to the left of that will think we're all soft Tories.
And lo, it came to pass...
Peoples Front of Judea, obviously Brian
The Popular Front of Judea might be closer to the truth. [/splitter]
For reference, here's 2019 GE
Despite accusations of being all over the political spectrum…
I’ve always found STW in general to be comfy right of centre by and large, so liberal democrat. Way to the right of me thats for sure and I’m just a “pale pink wishy washy liberal” according to Ernie 🙂
Personally – Dark Green. Zero growth, anti capitalist, fundamentalist green with a visceral loathing of tories
This would be far more interesting if people posted their own political compass graphs...
edit - spooky, I hadn't seen the poss above beforehand!
To the left, to the right...
I would be running a benign dictatorship.
At least, it'd be benign once I'd executed the far-right, most of the criminals, everyone who works for the Daily Mail and all those people who post on FB that cyclists should pay road tax.
The few million people that survived the purge would have a wonderful life under my benevolent rule.
I'd vote for those policies, Crazy-legs.
Every single one of them.
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It would have a red flag and a green plant of some sort on the cover of it's manifesto to signify leftwing environmentalism, but inside it's all about fixing potholes, how carbon footprint reduction is an aspiration unless you need a T6 van to drive somewhere to ride your bike every weekend in which case it's that nasty global 1%'s fault (i.e. anyone above the median in the UK but we ignore that because whatabout Putins Superyacht?).
There'd be something about insulating old housing stock. Unless you're middle class, then you can just have a woodburner because that carbon neutral and the emissions are someone elses problem.
Infact everything will be someone else problem, the last government, footballers clogging up A&E, food causes obesity, etc, nothing will be our fault.
We'd proclaim to be progressive, inclusive and woker than woke, but somehow end up with a cabinet stuffed with middle aged white men because we just happened to think they were the right people for the jobs.
There'll be a controversy where Shell and BP are told in a great tubthumping announcement to be immediately accountable for all The environmental impacts of their fuels in the UK, this lasts until Wednesday when someone points out they don't own any refineries in the UK anymore. The reaction is slightly more muted and confused when 4 companies you've never heard of and INEOS are added to the list. British Cycling and the Americas Cup team go bankrupt shortly after.
To try and get back on the front foot a junior minister will accidently bankrupt Scotland with rushed legislation that fines the producers of fossil fuels rather than the users. The total fines paid by Scotland for the audacious crime of producing the diesel that is powering the Ruling STW party's Zil T6's are enough to fund the entire government program for 4 years. The resulting cutbacks in Scotland amount to the canceling of the planned chairlift at Innerleithen and no new trails in the Tweed Valley for 6 months. Somehow the Caingorm mountain railway and ferry budgets both still increase. All government iPads are confiscated before the next Glasgow football Derby.
The final downfall will be when the Ministry of Crayons catering bill from Greggs is leaked to the Telegraph.
I would be running a benign dictatorship.
On a similar scale, Enlightened Despotism in the 18thC European style; think Charles 3rd of Spain, Christian 7th Denmark, that sort of thing.
I reckon very left of Tory, but slightly right of Labour? Greenish maybe?
Realise no one pays any attention to the Green Party and they don't exactly get any headlines but they are more left than Labour (even more so now with Starmer as leader). It should be the natural choice for anyone who doesn't like what Starmer has done.
As for STW as a whole, I think it is populated with a lot of shy tories who pop up now and again stating that they cannot say what they want because they will be shouted down and the left wing people shout the loudest, probably because they have something to shout about whereas the shy tories are not that unhappy as still have their party in charge.
So it would balance out somewhere in the middle if there was any sort of secret ballot.
Anybody remember the Natural Law Party who promised world peace through transcendental meditation and an end to poverty by applying the Constitution of the Universe. They even sent a squadron of 7,000 yogic flyers to end the conflict in Kosovo. Maybe something like that...........................
I think it is populated with a lot of shy tories
Interesting then that the folks who've done the compass and posted the result aren't "shy Tories" but are mostly either bang on Labour or between Labour and Green.
That there political compass test.
Our race has many superior qualities, compared with other races.
Strongly Disagree
Disagree
Agree
Strongly Agree
WTAF?
Maybe I read that wrong. Appears to translate as "are you a racist?"
People with serious inheritable disabilities should not be allowed to reproduce.
Hi! Are you a Nazi?
Yep, it's a blunt tool, but then; people and their opinions when they think no ones is watching...
Interesting then that the folks who’ve done the compass and posted the result aren’t “shy Tories” but are mostly either bang on Labour or between Labour and Green.
Yes, a shy tory is hardly going to be posting that they are a tory are they, hence the word shy.
Just for giggles I filled in all the questions in the most authoritarian nationalist racist nazi way I possibly could...
...and still came out about one square off the centre.
…and still came out about one square off the centre.
No imagination! I can get it to +8 on the authoritarian scale without really trying that hard.
As for STW as a whole, I think it is populated with a lot of shy tories who pop up now and again stating that they cannot say what they want because they will be shouted down and the left wing people shout the loudest, probably because they have something to shout about whereas the shy tories are not that unhappy as still have their party in charge.
I think most people self identify as aspirational lefty environmentalists, but their desire for those conflicts with both the dislike for top down authoritarianism on such issues (like raising taxes, fining individuals for emissions) yet also object to any personal responsibility for their actions either.
Paraphrased from various politics threads:
"You can't force me to give up my ICE car/van, but something needs to be done to get 'people' out of their cars to reduce emissions".
"Why am I being charged the ULEZ to drive my T5 into London to see my relatives, surely I'm not the problem?" (when any sane person would realize that London of all places in the UK is easiest to get to/around by public transport).
"Inheritance tax needs sorting out, but only as long as the threshold is £1 higher than the leg up I intend to give my family, obviously it's fair they get a leg up whilst less well off people stay in poverty, it's only a problem when better off people give an even bigger leg up I can't compete with".
Tofu Eating Wokerati Party obviously
Tofu Eating Wokerati Party obviously
Pretty much my result as well.
Tofu is vile though.
It would have a red flag and a green plant of some sort on the cover of it’s manifesto to signify leftwing environmentalism, but inside it’s all about fixing potholes, how carbon footprint reduction is an aspiration unless you need a T6 van to drive somewhere to ride your bike every weekend in which case it’s that nasty global 1%’s fault (i.e. anyone above the median in the UK but we ignore that because whatabout Putins Superyacht?).
There’d be something about insulating old housing stock. Unless you’re middle class, then you can just have a woodburner because that carbon neutral and the emissions are someone elses problem.
Infact everything will be someone else problem, the last government, footballers clogging up A&E, food causes obesity, etc, nothing will be our fault.
We’d proclaim to be progressive, inclusive and woker than woke, but somehow end up with a cabinet stuffed with middle aged white men because we just happened to think they were the right people for the jobs.
There’ll be a controversy where Shell and BP are told in a great tubthumping announcement to be immediately accountable for all The environmental impacts of their fuels in the UK, this lasts until Wednesday when someone points out they don’t own any refineries in the UK anymore. The reaction is slightly more muted and confused when 4 companies you’ve never heard of and INEOS are added to the list. British Cycling and the Americas Cup team go bankrupt shortly after.
To try and get back on the front foot a junior minister will accidently bankrupt Scotland with rushed legislation that fines the producers of fossil fuels rather than the users. The total fines paid by Scotland for the audacious crime of producing the diesel that is powering the Ruling STW party’s Zil T6’s are enough to fund the entire government program for 4 years. The resulting cutbacks in Scotland amount to the canceling of the planned chairlift at Innerleithen and no new trails in the Tweed Valley for 6 months. Somehow the Caingorm mountain railway and ferry budgets both still increase. All government iPads are confiscated before the next Glasgow football Derby.
The final downfall will be when the Ministry of Crayons catering bill from Greggs is leaked to the Telegraph.
This is a very fine piece of work, one of the best posts I've read on here - rolled back the years when there was a fair bit of wit on here.
Tofu is vile though
Yeah, not a fan either.
"Tofu Eating Wokerati" was Braverman's reference to the liberal "blob" that stands in the way of her dream of a glorious fascist state, you know like those pesky laws and courts. "Anti Growth Coalition" was Truss' label
I think most people self identify as aspirational lefty environmentalists, but their desire for those conflicts with both the dislike for top down authoritarianism on such issues (like raising taxes, fining individuals for emissions) yet also object to any personal responsibility for their actions either.
Maybe, my only conflict is that the country is run in such a poor way that I am not happy with what is being invested and how taxes are used to control things and the pretence it is 'our' money.
Things like inheritance is not an issue for me as I would get rid of inheritance all together as it is just furthering the imbalance but again why should a state that I disagree with the actions of get all of my money when I die? It won't because it is mostly going to charities where I can choose how it is spent.
Dysfunctional, nationalist, ageist, trans dubious, car centric soft tory, is how I read the forum.
How can you be vaguely green and want to kill animals for sport eating or species cleansing is beyond me.
I am old and cynical so don't mind me
I do wonder if, when they’ve completed the quiz, a fair few folk realise that their views are actually left of centre despite having voted Tory their whole lives.
Then continue to vote Tory.
Inheritance tax needs sorting out, but only as long as the threshold is £1 higher than the leg up I intend to give my family, obviously it’s fair they get a leg up whilst less well off people stay in poverty, it’s only a problem when better off people give an even bigger leg up I can’t compete with”.
Saw an interesting suggestion that recipients should be taxed on inheritance as part of their income, rather than blanket on the estate?
“Tofu Eating Wokerati” was Braverman’s reference to the liberal “blob”
I'm more a blob than a tofu eater, and "steak bake eating woketati" doesn’t sound as bad, does it?
Dysfunctional, nationalist, ageist, trans dubious, car centric soft tory, is how I read the forum.
How can you be vaguely green and want to kill animals for sport eating or species cleansing is beyond me.
Which forum are you on?
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Saw an interesting suggestion that recipients should be taxed on inheritance as part of their income, rather than blanket on the estate?
TBH that seems about as fair as it could ever be, put the estate in a trust then let them draw down on it as income rather than as a gift. Creates a huge loophole though where you could just take a loan from the trust and pay it back when you die.
I think there does need to be a bigger incentive to spend money rather than hoard it though. It'd be better for everyone if the incentive was to shuffle off the mortal coil with empty pockets.
That's interesting. When I saw those charts I thought you just had to plonk the dot where you thought it belonged. In that case I would have gone for right in the middle left/right and a touch more libertarian, but it's not far off to be fair. I've only voted tory once in 40 years, but that's probably still one more than many folk on here.
If STW was a Political party, where would we be?
Bearing in mind that about 90% of the comments on political threads consist of people expressing their deep and unrelenting hatred of the Tories, interspersed with occasional similar expressions of hatred towards voters, possibly in trouble for hate crimes I would have thought.
Yep, it’s a blunt tool
I've completed it 4 times now testing out the theories above, and I'm either:
a) A RW fascist
b) A communist
c) Somewhere in the bottom left
d) vaguely in the middle somewhere but nowhere near Switzerland
At the very least I'll be on 'everyone's' watch lists now.
YMMV 🤷♂️
and yet at least 3 posters think the tone of the forum is way to the right of that.
Its unclear how "left" and "right" are defined.
If its US style then anyone who is still visible is likely to be a bit right wing by European standards.
WTAF?
Maybe I read that wrong. Appears to translate as “are you a racist?”
I think it's quite a clever question. For a lot of people racist means you throw around abusive terms and have a skinhead. I think there are a good number of people who don't think of themselves as racist because they don't do that or associate with that behaviour but would agree with that question's sentiment.
Hi! Are you a Nazi?
Actually, I struggled a bit with that question based on personal experience!
I know someone who went totally blind in his teenage years. I met him as his triathlon guide - so he clearly still had quite a good active life but it was tough at times and the amount he relied upon his wife to have that life was bordering on unreasonable. He was told any child he had would have a 99% of experiencing the same. Elected to have 2 children anyway. When I first met him the kids were 6 and 8 and had excellent vision. They are now in their early 20s and are both completely blind. I think I've come to the conclusion that the government should not have prevented him having children but morally he should have adopted instead of having his own. It would not take much to persuade me to go further seeing their life now first hand.....
Bearing in mind that about 90% of the comments on political threads consist of people expressing their deep and unrelenting hatred of the Tories, interspersed with occasional similar expressions of hatred towards voters, possibly in trouble for hate crimes I would have thought.
+1
This forum typifies the Thatcher quote "The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money".
Its unclear how “left” and “right” are defined.
Have you taken the test? There's a certificate that you can print if you want, as well as your dot, there's political personalities on it, most of the US presidents are upper right, the only one in the lower left is Bernie Saunders.
This forum typifies the Thatcher quote “The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money”.
The trouble with thatcherism is eventually privatising profits and socialising losses means the country runs out of money.
Given the way she pissed oil money up against the wall and gave away vital infrastructure and housing cheap without any real maintenance plans its baffling that people keep saying that quote.
Many of the problems we face today are down to her and those who followed throwing away of our countries assets.
Hi! Are you a Nazi?
Not necessarily. Eugenics started as a movement in the UK with supporters from across the political spectrum and then spread across Europe and into the USA.
In the UK forced sterilisation was debated in the 1930s although defeated in a parliamentary vote. It may have eventually got passed aside from the Nazis whose actions discredited the eugenics movement.
Elsewhere though sterilisation laws were passed including the USA (note sure if all or just parts) and a few European countries.
Denmark carried out sterilisations until the 60s and dubious birth control techniques into the 70s and Sweden used forced sterilisation into the late 70s.