[Closed] If only I had a dashcam!!! Roadie content.

Counter flowing cycle lanes are a thing, in theory. I don't think many people use them because they don't want to die.

I wanted a dash cam at the weekend, i saw a Carrera with a stem that was reversed ! so the stem was pointing towards the rider ! WTF.

Counter flowing cycle lanes are a thing, in theory

Yep, have a few round Cardiff. One in Rumney sends the cars up a steep hill and the bikes down, easy to hit 30mph plus with cars coming out of side streets not looking for anything coming down the hill. Awful design.

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So I think what you are saying is you executed your overtake without being fully aware of the traffic around you? Since you missed the nuclear powered cyclist until then?

TIP: don’t shout at cyclists they will just assume you are a mental driver. Better to talk calmly.

Counter flowing cycle lanes are a thing, in theory

We have one in Dunblane, it goes against a one way street and suddenly loses all the markings halfway down. It's access to one of the schools also. 😯

So I think what you are saying is you executed your overtake without being fully aware of the traffic around you? Since you missed the nuclear powered cyclist until then?

There is always one!
I was fully aware, the other cyclist was being "screened" effectively by the cars coming towards me on the other side of the road. It was at the point that roadie on my side had caught up with her that they were effectively side by side and the woman in the car coming towards me thought wtf what's going on. It ended up with plenty of room all round but I was just amazed at what the other cyclist was doing.
This counterflowing doesn't seem necessary surely when there is a cycle lane on both sides of the road? Why wasn't she just using the ONE on the left like everybody else does?

I've only ever seen counter-flow cycle lanes in places where it is one-way to cars but two-way to bikes or other weird anomalies.

Sounds more like you've had a run in with the dreaded "salmon" cyclist.

Surprisingly common if you watch YouTube cycling cams.

Just for Jamba:

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This one at least has the cyclists going uphill, the one where they go down isn't on Google yet.

My route to work has lanes either side of the road. There's signs implying bicycles can use them in both directions, i.e 'look right' warnings for pedestrians.

It's a narrowish road and I'm usually outside the cycle lane anyway given it's mostly taken up by drains and fallen leaves. God knows what, if anything, the designers intended there.

wrightyson, I demand a google streetview link or I refuse to get angry with anyone. And I feel someone deserves my wrath here.

[i]the other cyclist was being "screened" effectively by the cars coming towards me on the other side of the road.[/i]

The direction they were traveling is irrelevant then - you wouldn;t have seen the bike or rider in any case. The cars on the other side, like you, would have to pull out to give the 1.5m that police forces are now enforcing?

Was there room for you to pull out 1.5m clear of the cycle on your side of the road without crossing the central divider into oncoming traffic? If not you should have waited until there was no oncoming traffic, not assumed it could pull into the left to give you room.

I've only ever seen counter-flow cycle lanes in places where it is one-way

It’s down a hill though so occasionally amusing to play ten pin bowling with groups of pedestrians 😆

I'm in the dock now. As stated there's loads of room. It's just the fact a cyclist in mind was going the wrong way in a cycle lane when there was a perfectly good one on the other side of the road.
Stoner Google denbybhall business park a61 is the road. As I say it's wide.

For the record how do we define 'roadie' in these threads?

a) Riding a road bike (ie drop bars , no 'guards or panniers)
b) Riding a bike on the road
c) Wearing Lycra riding a road bike (possibly with drop bars, 'guards and panniers)
d) Wearing a bike club shirt riding anything.
e) a more careful analysis of saddle to bar heights, tyre size and valve alignment, frame geometry (it might be a gravel bike ffs) and tyre clearance is required?

There is always one!
I was fully aware, the other cyclist was being "screened" effectively by the cars coming towards me on the other side of the road. It was at the point that roadie on my side had caught up with her that they were effectively side by side and the woman in the car coming towards me thought wtf what's going on. It ended up with plenty of room all round but I was just amazed at what the other cyclist was doing.

That’s not what you wrote though. The existence of the cyclist on your side of the road, is totally irrelevant to the point you think you are making. My experience is we get annoyed on the roads when WE have done something silly but want to project at least part of the blame on others. It still sounds like at one point you were four abreast, which unless the road is particularly wide means at least one of you was impatient with the overtake.

There are contraflow cycle paths. If the road is really big it might make sense to have them on both sides so cyclists don’t need to cross heavy traffic for short bursts BUT I can’t think of any which are both on the wrong side of the carriageway and have no physical separation. Whilst the light might have been blinding (ironically Facebook is full of people complaining about poorly lit bikes!) does overtaking a cyclist heading towards you require more space that one in the same direction?

[i]It's just the fact a cyclist in mind was going the wrong way in a cycle lane when there was a perfectly good one on the other side of the road.[/i]

me again 🙂

In the OP you said the issue was 'wonder why the woman in the car coming towards me is so far over towards me' - why would it have been different if the cyclist had been going the right way on the road (like the one on your side was doing)?

assuming its the B6179 with the two cycle ways, then there's nothing to indicate that they are contraflow. In fact the painted cycle icon on each side of the carriageway is orientated the correct way for the normal flow of traffic. (assuming nothing has changed since the May16 google streetview capture)

Although there's some typical shonky infrastructure bolleux going on where the cycle lane paint just fades away right at the point that the Highways have stuck a median island in the road and created a massive pinch point going northbound into the 40mph then 30mph.

The woman in the car (i dont know her so im guessing) clearly was a bit unnerved by the ("in theory") person riding on the wrong side of the road towards with full beam on so gave her a really wide berth.
I just think it's bloody stupid to ride on that side of the road and that was my initial point. Carry on as you do analysing everything including my poor van driving, (im actually a van driving god) but I just think she's heading for a nasty accident by doing what she's doing.

This road?

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Looking at that if the bloke on your side was right on the edge of the cycle lane to avoid the crap (or even riding the .75m that the police recommend from the edge of the road) then you'd have to cross the centre of the road to give 1.5m of room and so would anyone overtaking a cyclist coming the other way.

fwiw - the cyclist going the wrong way shouldn;t have been but that wasn't the only wrong going on in what you describe.

That stoner is the exact point going in to marehay where I thought she was going to get squashed. Dunno why I thought it was the a61, but there you go. B6179 is correct. As you can see plenty wide enough and as you state nothing saying ride on the "wrong" side of the road. Loads of cyclists use it and had there been someone going the correct way I think they'd have been well within their rights to give her a bollocking.

**** me im going to go down and measure the ****ing road at the point where it happened! There was no dodgy overtake by me. I cycle I know how to pass, I wasn't late, I wasn't doing 89mph etc etc me ludd.

11m wide at the approx point of near death. Just been to the shop so stopped and measured it. I reckon you could have got a bus between us as well.
And whilst I think about it what happens when the cycle lane disappears which it does in a few spots. Is she then effectively cycling on the wrong side of the road?

If only I had a dashcam!!! Roadie content.

wrightyson - Member

[b]Then the video would have been worth posting![/b]

I really doubt it. It's not even threadworthy 😉

[i] Is she then effectively cycling on the wrong side of the road? [/i]

yep and she was in the wrong to do so.

Some schools over here teach kids to cycle facing the oncoming traffic.

I have "had words" with the schools/teachers involved, and involved other authorities. (Police, Road Traffic Authorities etc)

The schools near us don't teach that anymore (and most of the teachers who were involved are either retired or dead now).

(The reason given was so they can get off the road when cars are coming, as cyclists aren't really traffic.)

Is that marked off section on the right supposed to be a cycle lane? that is ridiculous!