[Closed] If A Lady Is A Vegan....

you could argue that perhaps imposing a moral judgement on them is a bit much at such a young age.

You could indeed, but it has to be one or the other, a baby/toddler can't decide. The post I was responding to assumed that if a child didn't spit the food out, then it was ok to eat it. I'm saying that, that decision is based purely on taste and the wee one can't be expected to make a decision based on a knowledge of what happens for meat to get to our tables.

Double post weirdness.

... or perhaps a Parents veganism/vegetarianism isn't a moral decision, but just "I don't like meat"

it is about the exploitation of animals and the cruelty inherent in it being industrialised

If veganism is a choice based on the cruelty in farming animals is it acceptable for a vegan to eat roadkill?

If veganism is a choice based on the cruelty in farming animals is it acceptable for a vegan to eat roadkill?

Or perhaps they could wait around for animals to die naturally.
(Granted, it's not very practical.)

being that there's an absence of poetry on stw here's this kids poem from celebrity vegan and all round good guy benjamin zephaniah

Vegan Delight

Ackeess,chapatties
Dumplins an nan,
Channa an rotis
Onion uttapam,
Masala dosa
Green callaloo
Bhel an samosa
Corn an aloo.
Yam an cassava
Pepperpot stew,
Rotlo an guava
Rice an tofu,
Puri, paratha
Sesame casserole,
Brown eggless pasta
An brown bread rolls.

Soya milked muesli
Soya bean curd,
Soya sweet sweeties
Soya's de word,
Soya bean margarine
Soya bean sauce,
What can mek medicine?
Soya of course.

Soya meks yoghurt
Soya ice-cream,
Or soya sorbet
Soya reigns supreme,
Soya sticks liquoriced
Soya salads
Try any soya dish
Soya is bad.

Plantain an tabouli
Cornmeal pudding
Onion bhajee
With plenty cumin,
Breadfruit an coconuts
Molasses tea
Dairy free omelettes
Very chilli.
Ginger bread, nut roast
Sorell, paw paw,
Cocoa an rye toast
I tek dem on tour,
Drinking cool maubi
Meks me feel sweet,
What was dat question now?
WHAT DO WE EAT?

Or perhaps they could wait around for animals to die naturally.

Animals that die natural deaths are not allowed to be used for human consumption due to disease etc. I do get your point though.

Roadkill, if fresh, often only requires a small impact damaged area to be removed. I can't think of a reason why it could not fit into the vegan lifestyle.

I can't think of a reason why it could not fit into the vegan lifestyle.

yes of course eating meat is not incompatibkle with a meat free diet excellent reasoning
Some piss poor trolling on this one

I can't think of a reason why it could not fit into the vegan lifestyle.

er, cos vegans don't eat meat, by definition. Motivation is irrelevant.

vegans should kill themselves, it's the ultimate sacrifice to pay for the damage their very existence does to the planet. if they can be composted and not cremated it's better for the plants.

Some piss poor trolling on this one

maybe cause it's not, it's a genuine question. maybe you should read it again. 🙄

Can a non smoker smoke cigars?
The very definition of a vegan is someone who does not eat meat or fish or any part of an animal or derivatives etc. If they ate the road kill they would not be a vegan [ any more than the cigar smoker would be a non smoker]- hence it is a rather daft question. You cannot eat meat and be a vegan

it has been answered as well

er, cos vegans don't eat meat, by definition. Motivation is irrelevant.

I am sure if you keep using that line Mr Smith someone will bite eventually on one of the threads

If a woman breastfeeds a cow, where does that fit in to the equation?

swiss01 - great post. It looks just like a poem. I like posts that look like poems.

hence it is a rather daft question

If you read it properly instead of being patronising you would see that it's not.

I specifically asked if would be ok for a vegan to eat roadkill if said person's reason for being vegan was based on animal cruelty. Rather than a dislike of eating meat, which would have been a silly question.

I understand the term vegan describes someone who doesn't eat animal products, I think that is fairly common concept.

The question was based round the idea of "I'm a vegan except I eat roadkill". And the moral conflict this creates or does it not?

Could have been an interesting discussion.

"vegan" is just a shorthand name that people use to express dietary choices (and by extension sometimes, lifestyle choices).

The question "could vegans eat roadkill" isn't a yes / no question. If someone is vegan for ethical reasons which stem from animal cruelty then theoretically they could chow down on Badger Au Reservation Centrale if they wanted; if they're vegan because they don't like animal products, are ethically opposed to using animals for our own means, or something else, then they wouldn't. "Can / would *all* vegans / vegetarians eat / wear xyz" type questions are often fairly meaningless as there is no one-size-fits-all answer.

In practice, I doubt very much that many vegans would choose to eat roadkill even if their reasoning for being vegan allowed it. They simply wouldn't want it.

Could a non-smoker have the occasional joint, or a tee-totaller have a glass of champagne at a wedding?

tee-totaller have a glass of champagne at a wedding?

no, because if you did you wouldn't be [b]tee-total[/b], you'd be a [b]very infrequent drinker[/b].

likewise I would say a vegan would not eat roadkill. However, someone who chooses not to eat meat for ethical reasons, quite possibly could eat roadkill, if it fit within their ethical reasoning. However, such a person would not be a [b]vegan[/b], they would be a [b]very infrequent meat eater under certain conditions[/b]

(I think what I'm trying to say is that I agree with the previous poster)

If you read it properly instead of being patronising you would see that it's not.

I specifically asked if would be ok for a vegan to eat roadkill if said person's reason for being vegan was based on animal cruelty.

You may not like the answer but a vegan does not eat meat if they eat meat they are not a vegan. how /why they eat it is irrelevant hence your question is daft.
you could of course ignore me and go with cougar if you prefer as he only thinks its meaningless rather than daft 😉
I suppose they probably could eat it but then they would not be vegan. I am not sure what word we would need to describe them though.

At some point through the first page I thought of the bees pollination question that was later raised. Haven't a clue bout transportation of bees in this country but pretty sure it's big business in the USA. Where would this fit in to a lifestyle that avoids the exploitation of animals, how would you go about sourcing food totally separate from this style of pollination. Or is this simply not an issue. Hadn't ever occurred to me before.

Vegan's eat very good stuff all the time...

You are what you eat...

Therefore I think it would be very tasty if you ate a Vegan?

Just sayin'

Are you still a vegan if you're splitting hares?

Could a vegan eat roadkill if their moral code allowed it? Yes. Are they still "vegan" if they do? No.

Does it matter for any practical purposes? No, unless they "don't eat meat because they're vegan" rather than "they're vegan because they don't eat meat."

Therefore I think it would be very tasty if you ate a Vegan?

That's what my girlfriend says, etc etc.

I'm here all week, try the [s]veal[/s] oh.

Do Vegans get confused with Pagans?

As in, you're in a restaurant and you ask if the meal is suitable for a vegan however the waiter thinks you said pagan and brings out a sacrificial goat. Could be awkward?

junkyard - I also denied them the opportunity to decide if they like fags, heroin or special brew

You rotten meanie!

hello!
quite simply, in reply to the OP, it's all about consent basically. so yes, vegan mothers will quite happily breastfeed. nowt wrong with it, and perfectly compatible with the vegan ideology.

as for most of the rest of the thread, well, it's STW...

I used to know a girl who was a vegan until it got to lunchtime and as she didn't like anyting else on the menu so she would have a ham sandwich and then go back to being 'vegan' afterwards

xherbivorex - I see the consent for breastfeeding, to me that seemed a no-brainer and wouldn't question that. However, I'm genuinely interested in the bee pollination question, does consent extend to this? Would a vegan know which foods have been pollinated naturally or by using transported bees, or am I thinking too much into it. I'm guessing a supermarket would have no idea but if I went into a health food shop would they know if a product is naturally pollinated. Would a label that stated 'suitable for vegans' cover this, or do they not go to that level of knowledge of a product.

If the choice is either breast milk or formula milk then there is no issue as the formula milk will be based on cow's milk, which won't pass any veganism test...

I am pretty sure you can get vegan formula based on soya

but breast milk is vegan so that's not needed 😉

you can get vegan formula they use it for lactose intolerant children as well obviously.

Are you still a vegan if you're splitting hares?

I'm genuinely interested in the bee pollination question, does consent extend to this? Would a vegan know which foods have been pollinated naturally or by using transported bees, or am I thinking too much into it.

@bazookajoe- definitely overthinking it.
i don't know of a single vegan who'd even consider pollination to be an issue.

I have a couple of militant vegan friends - I will ask them.

What about those two blokes who had a pact, where the one killed and ate the other? The cannibal one could have been vegan, still, cos the other man gave consent.

Anyway. Heroin is vegan.

TJ- i have more than a couple! as does mister Ratswithwings!

I have emailed one of my mates. this is a guy I have known for years and he has arrived at my house to stay with all his own food and pots pans crockery and cutlery as mine might have been in contact with animal products. Now thats a fairly far out attitude IMo

i remember you telling me about him, yeah.
that's not so much militant but more paranoid, i'd say!

Having never seen how good TJ is at washing up I will sit on the fence with that one 😉
I know a veggie who does that actually but dont personally but you could eat meat in my house but i would get the camping plates out for them 😀

🙂

I'll see what he says about the poor enslaved bees

ah well, i'm happy to eat at my omnivore parents' house using their kitchenware. as long as it's all been cleaned, i doubt there's much of a risk of contamination tbh. if they had, for example, a frying pan or wok that was 'well used' though, i probably wouldn't use it.

my gf's vegan too though so eating at her house isn't an issue, and if you were to come to mine at all, i'd happily feed you as much (vegan) food as you could eat. alternatively, you could cook your own. as long as that was vegan too...

I wouldn't dream of asking for meat in a vegans house. I might have leather shoes on tho - would they have to be left outside?

Whilst we've got the Vegans on here.. could you have a relationship with a normal veggie, or a meat eater?

what has happened to big G the vegancyclist ?

as in midlandstrailquestG ?

TJ- no. not at mine.

molgrips- i don't know, to be honest. it's never been an issue for the 20 or so years i've been vegan though. the 3 relationships i've had in that time have all been with vegan women.

Its amazing how much people post about vegan /vegy stuff...its a marmite thing? 😉

what has happened to big G the vegancyclist ?

As for the Vegan thing...

Some people think this is acceptable, some people don't and will try to avoid being part of it.
It really is that simple.

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Whilst we've got the Vegans on here.. could you have a relationship with a normal veggie, or a meat eater?

I'm not a vegan but I did recently date a vegan girl for a while, and to be honest whilst there are some compromises that have to be made it isn't that different to any other relationship. She didn't have a problem with leather and down products that I used in my home and didn't make me take my shoes off when I went to hers. Things came to a head relatively recently for a whole different set of reasons unrealted to her Veganism (I didn't respond to a text, she was semi involved with another bloke) but I did end up on the receving end of lecture on the difficulties of being a vegan which struck me as odd.

Anyway the long and short of it is if both parties are prepared to comporomise then it's perfectly possible to have a realtionship with someone who is vegan even if you are not and vice versa. Kind of like everyother relationship really.

As for the OP, I'm amazed that the question would even be asked, and that French couple in the guardian article were just idiots. Their child would have been in trouble not matter what diet they were following.

However, such a person would not be a vegan, they would be a very infrequent meat eater under certain conditions

And then the vegan police come. And you lose your psychic powers.

😉

Whilst we've got the Vegans on here.. could you have a relationship with a normal veggie, or a meat eater

I have only ever dated veggies since i went veggie[was seeing a meat eater at the time] and never a vegan.
No idea why and it is not something I would ask when meeting someone in pubs clubs wherever.

Odd that both xherbivore and myself have never dated meat eaters but claim it is just chance - given how few people are veggie and even fewer are vegan there must be more than coincidence at work here IMHO but I have still never actively tried to date veggies. When I was married people used to regularily ask me if she made me become a veggie/vegan.

mike even meat eaters have access to the dictionary 😉

there must be more than coincidence at work here IMHO

We're avoiding you 😉

Absolutely superb reply - nothing like laughing out loud when sat at your desk in an open office for helping the normal meat eating folk see I am not mental
😆

Odd that both xherbivore and myself have never dated meat eaters but claim it is just chance - given how few people are veggie and even fewer are vegan there must be more than coincidence at work here IMHO

There probably is but it's likely matter of who you socialise with rather than anything else. Since I graduated from Uni, all my girlfriends have had a degree, probably because the people I work with and socialise with all have degrees.

Some people think this is acceptable, some people don't and will try to avoid being part of it.
It really is that simple

MTQG - that is an animal welfare issue, not a vegan-ism issue.

There are those (like me) who think that you have to treat animals nicely before eating them, and those that think it's not fair to eat them in the first place. Both valid standpoints of course.

@gonefishin...Or it could just be that everyone has got a degree these days.

@gonefishin...Or it could just be that everyone has got a degree these days.

Not in my age group they don't 😉

Ah you must have a real degree then!

jonnie- it's all about the social circles mate, at least in my case.
i've not gone to pubs and/or clubs for a very long time, and even back when i did i was either way too drunk to speak/see/stand up, or once i'd sorted that out way too sober to have the nerve to talk to random lasses!
so birds what i met properly tended to be at gigs i was at (or playing), or in one case hanging out at south shields skate park with her younger brother and his mates... and there was a higher proportion of veggies/vegans at punk rock gigs than 'regular' places so obviously the chances of meeting non-veggie lasses were much lower.
and my present girlfriend; well, we met through match.com! although it turned out that despite her being from southampton then preston and me durham then manchester, we actually had several mutual friends and she'd seen one of my bands play at a punk venue in bradford in the 90s (when we were polar opposites- both vegan but she was a proper crusty punk and i was in a super militant vegan straightedge band!)

thought this was going to be a spit or swallow debate