I’m in the middle of a build. To avoid party wall rules I built inside our boundary. This has left approx a 1m wide 5m long “corridor”. I’ve asked the new roof to over hang this, and the plan is to build up the existing wall and put a door on the front. So it becomes a useful dry and secure storage place for long thin things like kayaks, sups and ladders.
I’m concerned that to just build up with brick will be quite unsightly for next door. It’s a rental so tenants probably aren’t bothered and rarely use their garden, but still. I’m thinking about building a wood frame and using some cladding possibly reusing some glazing left over from the consveratory. It’ll probably look “softer” than brick, with the added advantage I can do it rather than wait on brickies.
The height from the existing 2m wall to the soffit of the new roof is 1.4m (and 5m long). So not a small bit to “fill in”
Anyone created a side return? Any better ideas than wood cladding? Would you just brick it all the way up (so a near 3.5m high wall on the boundary). Am I overthinking as usual?
Oh, doubt this will make any difference but the bit I’m thinking of extending is the inner leaf of a cavity wall that used to be part of a conservatory.
To avoid party wall rules I built inside our boundary
you're aware you have to follow party wall rules if you're within 3 meters of the neighbours foundations, right?
putting a 3.5m high wall between you and a neighbour would almost certainly require planning permission, and almost certainly be denied. Not to mention that the wall foundations are unlikely to support that weight, and (if you're single skin) I suspect the overall wall specs are unlikely to be anywhere near enough
1m wide 5m long “corridor”...
So it becomes a useful dry and secure storage place for long thin things like kayaks, sups and ladders.
In practice 1m wide is sod all, especially after you've knocked off 240-250mm for the thickness of a wall. It won't be much use for anything other than maybe ladders if you actually plan to be able to get it out without getting everything out.
Yes that’s why the foundations dug were set in away from the neighbours foundations leaving this long thin gap. This bit is building ontop of the existing long standing wall that we left standing after I removed the conservatory. Part of the reason for thinking wood is I could also easily remove it if a fuss was caused,
It is not an essential thing to do, I could always bung a low roof over it in the same line as the old conservatory
To clarify there is already a wall there. No new wall being built. Just thinking about increasing the height of it.
It won’t be supporting any weight other than it’s own load potentially could be supported by putting in supports back to the extension wall.
Just idle ideas at the moment.
I already have a small side return at the front of the house, but I kept it low, the eaves are the same height as the fence. It’s actually very useful. My roof box, various work stands, my wood store and bike rack live in there. Long and thin can work. Obviously not as good as a garage, but I don’t have space for one of those
In fact I have several glazed panels that are 2m by 0.7m that used to make up the consveratory roof. If I could make a frame I could use a couple of those. And tbh it wouldn’t look much different to what was there before. Just a bit taller
you need planning if you're altering a boundry to make it over 2m tall
Hmmm following that link it would seem I would need planning. Scratch that idea then. I’m not going to resubmit just to add a tiny bit of storage mid work.
Putting on a sloping roof ending on the existing wall is going to look a bit weird when there is already an overhang.
I think a sloping roof ending on the existing wall would also fall foul of some rules (no idea which) when it comes to water runoff as well. my assumption is that you can't just run a non-guttered roof over a neighbours boundary (but I may be wrong)
The guttering needs to be on your side, when I built the smaller return I made sure it did, and that is was under 2.4m where is butts up to the house.
To be honest all the rules are a bit of a nightmare. With our extension I was sure it was within permitted rights, but was told to go through planning anyway, we cost a couple of hundred and took 2 months to tell me what I already knew!
Now, I’m trying to work out the definition of “on the boundary”. If you extend the inner leaf but leave the outer leaf the same height does that count as on the boundary?
Reckon I’ll just leave it for now. Enough to get on with!
I have a storage area down the side of my garage. Its a metal composite roof panel sloped front to back, the boundary is just a standard panelled fence and I put some timber brackets on the posts to support the roof. The fence is protected both sides by the houses so rarely see water ingress (its open each end so loads of ventilation) however as others have said, 1 metre is not very wide and it fills up quick, a small wheelie bin or mower basically blocks it so I access half from the back, and half from the front!
So perhaps do your roof as normal and have a flat/gently sloped roof at 6'6" or whatever the permitted boundary height is, mine is probably a 6" fall over the 5 m length so the back just misses your head 🙂
does anyone know about how high a wall can be when it is NOT on the boundary and slightly behind the boundary wall.
Google just brings back rules about the boundary.
anyways I think I might have a solution.
I reckon I'll stick up some trellis and try and grow the nearby jasmine along it. that way if there is a complaint it's easy to take down, and hopefully extending the jasmine will be nice to look at and smell nice too. might take a while though!
any permanent structure just falls under planning rules - it needs planning unless it fits into one of the exclusions. Something 4m tall will not fall under an exclusion. if somethings within 2m of a boundry it has to be under 2.5m tall or planning\permitted development is needed.
see, the extension went through planning, was deemed permitted development by the planning dept. it is over 2.5m tall, approx 3.5m and is within 1m of the boundary.
ergo I should be fine as I already have permission to build over 2.5m high within 2m of the boundary???
I might just stick with some trellis tbh. might help with airing stinky wetsuits!
ergo I should be fine as I already have permission to build over 2.5m high within 2m of the boundary???
So stick in the application,
