[Closed] iDave diet, who done it?

On it as of yesterday morning. Very hard to be revising/working in my flat when it is still full of inadvisable food stuffs, and boredom is frequent.

85kg.
Not there yet.
Not there yet.
85kg.
100% so far. 😆

Still not sure on how to do beans, I've tried cooking dried beans/split peas before and they always ended up rubbish, hard and tasteless. Bought tinned beans for now to try, and then will experiment with dried again when I go food shopping. I am liking the different meals though, having tuna steaks tonight then sirloin tomorrow, its all tasty stuff! Just lunchtimes not sure what to eat. Yesterday I had a tin of tuna.

Like motivforz, started yesterday morning. Was doing really well til yesterday evening, got home and the kids had spent all day cooking an "International Meal", with little flags stuck in the food and everything. Luckily peas were one of the courses, unluckily the rest of the courses were bread-based or fruit 🙄

Going well again today, though. Although having a bowl of peas for breakfast was a first.

87kg
84kg
only doing it for two weeks but had both weekend days as cheat days

With you on the dried bean front, tried it a few years ago and ended up chucking them away. I use tinned beans but gonna have to give the dried bean route again as it's got to be cheaper.

I started a long while back on a similar diet, beans, lentils and fruit, and lost steadily lost 500g per week. Changed to the iDave diet and continued losing 500g per week now at about 15% body fat and looking to get rid of another 5% or so through physical effort. Change means that I'm not going to stick so rigidly but there are some permanent changes. Might go for a weigh in on Thursday, I expect to be somewhere around 70kg, hopefully a little under.

Tried, but I just can't get on with it. It's too hard to live with for me, avoiding all the required foods is almost impossible and feels distinctly unhealthy (I like fruit and dairy, I find myself craving it when I "cant" have it, doesn't seem sensible to me) as I'd have to prep everything days before and I find a lot of it rather bland with a short life. Local to work shops sell nothing helpful so I end up either weakly gorging on carbs or starving and ending up with a headache when I get home that only go with powerful painkillers or sugar.

Might be me being useless, but I just don't seem to get on with it. I've tried twice, it just doesnt fit.

mmm, steak, dribble
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Let's see. Did 5 weeks of it, lost 6kg, then over the Easter weekend it went pear shaped (lots of hard travelling and visiting people) so put on a kg. I expect to lose that really quickly though. I went from 91 ish to 85kg, weight which had been impossible to shift through traditional means. I was 94kg before Christmas.

At first it was a shock, lots of MTFU required, but then it became much easier. My brain got used to it and the cravings became distant and easy to manage - the success seemed to play a big role in this. More than weight loss my body's changed, you can see muscles all over the place where you couldn't before and I look much better considering such a relatively small change.

I've been cycling to work 20 miles each way, and during the first week that was hard - I got more and more tired and by Friday I was seriously exhausted, worse than the end of a 24 hour race. So I started taking more pure carbs around the riding which has helped.

In fact the carbs whilst riding has made it manageable I think - my brain looks forward to the ride so it can drink sweet stuff, and then it's happy (ish) the rest of the time. I've also not stuck to the diet 100% with a few single sweets now and then, a dollop of milk foam in an espresso or if it gets really bad, a cake. The cake only happened three times though, once on the first day and once on my daughter's birthday 🙂

iDave outlaws cream, but the Four Hour Body allows it so I have had a teaspoon or two of cream in my espressos sometimes which is nomalicious 🙂

75kg before now 69kg. Started properly in february. Not as strict as i should be at times.

How zero tolerance do you have to be with it? I've started a sort of 80% iDave approach - I can manage to largely bin white carbs, dairy etc, but total abstinence for 6 days is too much hassle (for me).

I've got the weight to lose though so I doubt it matters much either way. I'm not trying to go from 72 to 68; more like 100 to 90.

I've done a week of it (well, week and a half, but Easter was a bit tricky).
Gone from about 74-75kg to 72kg. Aiming to get down to 70-71 or less in 2 weeks time, but will see how it goes.

Been pretty strict so far, but the current abundance of Easter chocolate in the house is making it difficult at the moment.

As for the beans/veg thing, I'm finding that pretty easy. Last night I had a nice lean steak with a plateful of broad beans cooked in a pan with a bit of black pepper and lemon juice - delicious! Tonight was chicken breast with a bean salad and a green and tomato salad. Tomorrow tarka dahl, probably with a bit of chicken thrown in. All good!

Nick

Every time I try it I find I drop a couple of kg, then within days I can put the lot back on. To me this suggests it's mostly water-based weight. Probably just me though, I just can't seem to get on with it.

Surely if some are maintaining their rate of weight loss then it can't be purely water, otherwise they would be dehydrated and cease to exist? I don't understand the mechanisms (engineering is much simpler!) but successive maintained weight loss suggests something more than water is being lost. It has been mentioned before that perhaps a reduction in starchy sugar rich high GI foot stuffs in your digestive system could reduce the amount of water contained in your digestive system, which isn't hydrating you anyway.

For any nonsense in this post I apologise, alcohol in moderation is good but with my girlfriend only drinking one glass, it would be rude to not finish the bottle wouldn't it? I'm sure *hic* that red wine goes off within 2 hours of opening 😀

motivforz - I agree, doesn't make sense, and I'm not questioning the diet itself, I'm just recounting my experience.

Odd stuff too like red wine only doesn't make sense to me - all wines contain sugars, the GI of alcohols is 0, the only alcoholic drinks that have no sugars are things like vodka and distilled products, so why red wine only?

My 14 year old son now has a six pack which he's quite chuffed with - 2 weeks, lost 7 pounds. None of it water.

on week two and it's getting easier

weight is yo-yoing (but going down) but I "feel" changes to my physique so must be losing some

breakfasts are hard, tend to be either smoked mackerel or bacon and mushrooms, done porridge once (and hated it)

Lunch tends to be humous based or Tesco Taco beans

evening meal reaonably easy but requires some thought

the first 3-4 days are hard then it gets easier

also but a big training day in for your "eat anything" day to take advantage of the carb "high"

I'm after better suggestions for breakfast (not including eggs)

to understand better dishes for eve meals (is quinoa in or "out"?)

coffeeking: to be honest it's not unhealthy (ie eat lots of veg) so I think it's worth just focusing on the rules and see what it does. iDave is part of RST and RS isn't an idiot so there will be a "method" behind the "madness"

my target is 90kg, so plenty of beans to come (25 kg off the waistline!)

None of it water.

Can you help me explain a 3-4 lb fluctuation virtually overnight if its not water (In me)? (its not the scales as my partner holds her weight constant on them)

Started 2 months ago at 96kg, just checked weight this morning at 85kg so it works for me. It took a week or two to get into it but I don't see it as a diet now, I have changed the way that I eat. I don't need to eat all the crap that I used to have!

108 kg down to 98 here over two months. Stuck to it pretty rigidly for one month then relaxed it slightly.
By relaxing it I mean:
-Milk in my tea, I've tried, but I just can't grow to enjoy green/black/fruit teas
-A dram every other evening

Other than those two things, I find it quite easy to cope with. I was bingeing on chocolate and sweets on my first few days off as I was really craving sweet stuff, but that craving has diminished now (not gone!)

Someone else mentioned trying to tie in the day off with a big riding day, that's what I'm trying too. Seems like a good idea as I don't eat much while out on the bike, normally just oatcakes, then have a guilt free feast after.

I've lost 3 inches off my waist so not water loss I don't think.

Coffeeking, thats perfectly normal for me too, I don't worry about it as long as the number is dropping long term.

10 down, 20 (ish) to go!

Does work I agree but so does reducing calories and increasing exercise! Plus I'll never eat chorizo again! Really pleased I did it started me off well and now just eating properly so weight still dropping. I can't believe the amount and frequency of rubbish I was putting in my body!

Motivforz.

That Steak dinner looks gooooood.
😉

Roblilly
[i]I have changed the way that I eat. I don't need to eat all the crap that I used to have![/i]
Couldn't have put it better myself.

Same too with Wookster.
[i]I can't believe the amount and frequency of rubbish I was putting in my body! [/i]

Once you get into it, it is an eye opener. Well, it was for me.

I sympathize on the breakfast front. Difficult for some to break the pre-conceived idea that breakfast is a bowl of sugary, milky "[i]goodness[/i]" that Nestle or Kellogs would have you think.
But just remember that breakfast can be any food at all. Its just that you're taking it first thing in the morning.

😀

My weight can fluctuate by 2kg day in day, have you have to see that as just stuff inside rather then your actuall weight. I did it for the first 3 months of the year and lost 30kg and gave it up for April. I have not put on any weight oberte month despite my eating habits being shocking. It was more a test to see what would happen when I stop the diet.

Anyway starting again in may, have another 30 kg to loose by august.

On day 4, and it's the breakfast that's killing me, too - I really, [b]really[/b] miss having a bowl of porridge or toast with jam, and a glass of apple juice. Switching from white to black coffee hasn't been a problem, though.

The rest of the day hasn't been a problem, it's pretty similar to what I'd eat anyway.

Breakfast does seem the weak link in my view. Scrambled eggs? Needs chese. Poached with bacon sounds alright, but takes more time than toast and marmalade.

Porridge must be banned, surely?

*thinks mogrim should just eat a first lunch for breakfast....*

so does reducing calories and increasing exercise!

*thinks 'I used to think that, but totally disagree that it's particularly effective and easy - no need to restrict calories'*

yup no porridge at all if you wanna do it properly. A) it's white carbs B) it's made with milk- mostly, unless you're being kept in captivity, held prisioner somewhere or something similar.

Kev

To me this suggests it's mostly water-based weight

When following the diet over several weeks my weight has continued to go down, so it can't be water based. Plus I drink loads of water still. And over the Easter weekend I only gained a kg despite eating vast amounts of carby crap.

Remember that storing carbs requires water, isn't it 4g water for 1g of carbs? I used to lose 1-1.5kg overnight every single night, but this has now stopped in recent years. It's as if I were depleting carb stores over night.

I have some snake oil if anyone wants some. It may instantly give you the physique that you long for.

Does work I agree but so does reducing calories and increasing exercise!

The diet is FAR easier though. Eating simple carbs makes your (or my) body really try to lay down fat, so you have to fight hard to beat that and then some in order to actually lose fat.

If you're a fat couch potato eating junk, then of course eating well and exercising will work. However if you already exercise a lot and eat well and need to shift 5-10kg (like me) then you need to be cleverer, and this is how you do it.

Your body is a complex system of interacting hormones and chemicals - you can manipulate this system to get what you want, and one option you have is to adjust what you eat.

EDIT: SbZ, I have a small bottle of excellent grade 1 f*ck off if you are interested?

SbZ, you're confused. Snake oil is fake stuff that has no benefit. Peoples experiences here suggest this works, or do you think that they're lying?

Careful when you get to the edge of the world....

HTH

Nah - not interested. Thanks for the offer though.

iDave - what is the idea behind your diet? Just to make sure that i'm not being unfair to you.

To be fair SbZ it is a bit ridiculous for you to come along and heavily insinuate that it's all rubbish, when there's tons of evidence to the contrary and clear physiological mechanisms to explain it.

EDIT: cross-post

Is SbZ trolling again? 🙄

Explain the physiological mechanisms to me then. I'm all ears.

As I understand it:

The diet dramatically reduces the amount of insulin your body needs to create. One of the things that insulin does is encourage the use of blood glucose as energy (instead of fat) and another is to promote the storage of energy as fat. According to Wikipedia at least.

Just to make sure that I'm not being unfair to you.

Continual childish sniping and you take until now to admit you don't actually understand what it's about?? Priceless.

Is that a safe thing to do?

I didnt say that I didnt understand it, I just wanted you to give me your version of the science behind it.

SBZ.

Why do you do this ?.

I suspect that you may be SFB, if so, I claim my 5 quid !.

Perhaps you'd like to get a life instead of making yourself look a complete tit, on this subject.

Don't get me wrong, you don't bother me. I'm just lost for a rational explaination for your stupid posts.

I can't find a reason, to my mind, why someone would waste their time to hunt down threads and post negative crap into a discussion between those of us who think differently to you, on this matter.

Thanks 🙄

If you understand it, why do you need it explained (again)? I have no interest or need to explain it again. Didn't you learn all about it on your personal trainers course?

personally I think it's a mass placebo effect, the important thing is that it gets some form of positive result for those who do it

iDave > SbZ

iDave - is your diet safe?

Everyone else on the diet - does your pee stink?

[i]I just wanted you to give me your version of the science behind it[/i]

Ha !, I don't think iDave is that stupid. Why would he waste his time giving you a one to one on the [i]science[/i].
Your lack of understanding will only lead to a pointless arguement where you will question everything iDave posts, although he obviously knows a heck of alot more about this subject than you.

What does it matter to him, or any of us, what you think ?.
none of us are obliged to give you anything, yet alone any kind of explaination.

Everyone else on the diet - does your pee stink?

Nope. It's not zero or low carb. It's not ketogenic if you do it right although if you don't have enough carbs around the riding you do then it might end up that way. I was able to test my pee for ketones which helped.

OK for a third time and final time - is the iDave diet safe? I'll take a lack of response as confirmation that it is not safe.

no, it smells like pee, a few bad smelling farts in week one but that has gone

no other side effects to report

why would this change in food regime be unsafe?

And the troll is well and truly fed...

OK for a third time and final time - is the iDave diet safe?

Definately not, it gave me cancer, an extra toe on one foot and my pee was quite smelly one day

SBZ, Tell us what makes you think it is not safe ?

Kev

Keva - see above.

I'll take a lack of response as confirmation that it is not safe.

It's safe.

HTH

Prove it.

Arguing with an idiot just makes two idiots

I'll take a lack of [s]response[/s] useful contribution as confirmation that [s]it is not safe[/s] SbZ more stupid than a stupid thing on national being stupid day.

LoL @ Don Simon.

Excellent edit of the original post.

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😆

Prove it.

How about you prove it's not safe. I'll take lack of a considered proof to indicate it's fine.

iDave- careful with SBZ, like arguing with all idiots he'll drag down to his level and then beat you with experience.

Looked at the iDave diet and it makes sense, similar in principle to a couple of other eating/training systems that I use.

SBZ how can it be unsafe? it's not a calorie restring diet, it doesn't promote ketone formation like the fatkins diet and the lack of dairy isn't really a problem as human ability to metabolise sugars in milk as adults is only a recent evolutionary genetic kink and many people still can't do it hence lactose intolerance.

Arguing with an idiot just makes two idiots

LOL

Diet going well so far, should these be avoided?

Soya Milk
Sweetcorn as vegatable
Seeds inc peanuts/monkey nuts
Maltodextrin

Avoiding diary has worked wonders for reducing nasal mucus - sorry if too much detail.

Thanks

have got a fab recpe for lentil and chilli soup if anyone wants it. Easy to make and will do about 3 days worth of lunches and a chickpea burger one and one for spicy bean casserole (goes very well with chickpea burger, but may require a personal carbon filter on the pant region afterwards)

tazzymtb - yes please, burger sounds nice.

I can't see how it'd be unsafe as the stuff it cuts out is either not nutritionally significant or provides stuff that you can get from food that is on the diet.

I actually feel better on the diet than I did before. It's now 12.30 and I feel fine despite having had no carbs to speak of this morning. Previously I'd have been on my knees by this time.

Last night I dumped everything I had vaguely chilli, tomato or bean related into a huge put and simmered. It was nice, cheap and there's tons of it 🙂

Anyone tried making [url= http://www.food.com/recipe/gluten-free-chickpea-chapati-indian-flat-bread-189336 ]Chickpea Chapati's?[/url]

My lunch consists of this
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And this
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Nice and easy. About 700 cals tho in total, 45g carb and 50g protein

No, but I want to try.

tazzy's chickpea burger

ingredients:
400g tin of chickpeas
chickpea flour (also sold as gram flour)
onion
clove of garlic
red chilli
1 egg
salt and pepper to taste.
dash of olive oil/fry lite

Take a big bowl and put the drained can of chikpeas in.
mash them up with a potato masher (no need to cook them)

add finely chopped onion, red chilli and a clove of crushed garlic

give it another quick mash, then add a heaped table spoon chickpea flour and a beaten egg to the mix.

use a desert spoonful at a time to make into little balls and then form in burger shapes ( it can be a bit sticky)

fry in a little oil over a medium heat until crisp

takes about 10 - 15minutes and they'll keep in fridge for a couple of days once cooked.

Nice one Tazzy.

Some excellent posts coming now.

LoL at the carbon filter comment 😀

Would like the lentil chilli soup, if its not too much trouble.

😉

I've got my whole street on it. They think there's some kind of diet guru living behind the green door just by the arches. I'm making a bloody fortune. And iDave isn't complaining about the commission cheques either.

You are getting them aren't you dude?

Some great chickpea bread recipes out on the interweb

Hi there I am intrested in this and what it consists of as want to shift a bit of timber

Sorry to be a pain but could some one email me the rules fore the diet to reg.pollock at matherjamie .co. uk

Thank you in advance

Tazzy's easy lentil and chili soup

ingredients:
tin chopped tomatoes
250g dried red lentils
1 onion (red is very nice)
1 chili or easy chili paste (scotch bonnet is good)
vegetable stock cube
pint of boiling water
olive oil or similar
salt and pepper to taste
(optional extras include a red pepper and a carrot to be added at the first stage)

take a large pan (this thing will increase in volume like buggery during cooking)

finely chop the oinion and chilli and gently fry over a medium heat until soft and just browning

add the dried lentils and stir like a loon for a minute to stop it catching on the bottom of the pan but the lentils will start to absorb the flavour.

add the chopped tomatoes and stir well, then add the stock cube, water and season.

reduce the heat, cover and simmer for 40 minutes giving it a quick stir every 5-10 mins.

final taste and season if required and it's all done.

If you've used the carrot and pepper addition you may want to blend it at the end, but the normal version doesn't need it

RegP

[url= https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=explorer&chrome=true&srcid=0Bw_T87IBJ5crZTE0YmU1OTMtOGM0Yy00MTk5LTk1OGUtMjY5NzY1NDk4YWNi&hl=en_GB&authkey=CNeXx-wG ]Idave diet[/url]

TrickyDisco.

Mate, that link might not be cool with iDave.

Tazzy. Thanks for the soup.
;-D

I've been doing it for about 2 weeks lost about 3kg, its been great the best thing is its not very hard to stick to.

I do have a few questions, is it purely a low GI diet? There are things on the don't eat list that aren't particularly high gi, such as some fruit, I am happy to stay away from them if they really are important to stay away from but can I apply some common sense to the rules and look up the GI and if it is low can I eat it ?

Hi Don,

Can I possibly get a copy of this diet please?
Email should be visible in profile

many thatnks in advance!! 😀

kind regards

John

TrickyDisco.

Mate, that link might not be cool with iDave.

he posted this direct a few weeks back

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/and-now-the-end-is-near-idave-diet-flounce-lite-content

solo- iDave posted the diet up there as he was getting a bit stressed about being asked for copies of it and then having to argue with buffoons about it

EDIT: tricky beat me to it