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[i]Edit: your own link debunks using white bread as a reference, Captjon. It's too variable[/i]

But you advocate its consumption, with the gay abandon of someone who has been promised, by god him/herself, that you will never gain an once in weight.

Nice one !.

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Good link Captjon.

The insulinemic index comments in the conclusion recognise a good correlation of insulinemic index and GI (excellent in meals with protein).

Thankyou, it is amazing what you can find in google scholar.

If i've skim it correctly the correlation in the conclusion is about the six foods tested. The chart showing the correlation is quite interesting when you look were foods appear on their own vs as part of a meal. Pasta, for example, has an II of about 90 on its own, but the meals with pasta in have an II of almost 280.

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Edit: your own link debunks using white bread as a reference, Captjon. It's too variable.

And? You need to concentrate:

"White bread is often given a GI or II of 100 as the reference point for other foods." =/= this is the absolutely right way to do it. It does = this is how some people do it in some papers.

I see the French Baguette scores 95!

Check back, Solo, I've refered to "bread" and "whole wheat" bread, not white bread. Even white bread has its uses though, the ham sandwich after the pool session is white bread.

I just went to the shop to buy a baguette.

these discrepancies (with other studies) may be due to differences in wheat orignin and processing

whatever the cause this invalidates the choice of bread as an internationally accepted standard for GI calculation

I'm concentrating and reading correctly, Captjon.

[i]Oats is another matter. Personally if I need to snack and I'm out and about I do grab a flapjack. But then everyone thinks I'm a useless dieter so *shrug*. [/i]

you said ^^ back up there ^^ that fat people aren't necessarily stuffing their faces all the time!

Ed, still not heard whether you've ever changed your opinion about what is 'right' due to finding out new information?

Could you be wrong about anything?

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I'm concentrating and reading correctly, Captjon.

Good for you. I think i was misremembering, and i can't find the paper in question, but i think it was actually just II which was calculated with white bread as the index point of 100. My apologies for any confusion.

Also, see my edit above.

So a flapjack on a Friday afternoon train journey without any suitable alternative is 'stuffing my face all the time' is it?

can't we just compare photos of our partners, penises length and MENSA IQ test scores yet?

I do grab a flapjack. But then everyone thinks I'm a useless dieter

Oh you! You're doing it on purpose now

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*nudge*

*summons page 31 through the medium of modern dance*

penises length and MENSA IQ test scores yet?

7.5 for both.

[i]Check back, Solo, I've refered to "bread" and "whole wheat" bread, not white bread. Even white bread has its uses though, the ham sandwich after the pool session is white bread. [/i]

No need, I knew that, but you have told all here that bread is fine.
You haven't told me about the lectins or the phytate.

Now you're only saying certain types of bread are fine depending on what I've been doing.
Hhhmmm. The Edukator diet plan looks to be getting complicated now.
I'll need to buy both white and brown bread.
I'll need to eat either of them under certain conditions....

IIRC, you eat any number of things from the bakery you kindly posted a picture of.
I think pastries were mentioned.
I'm thinking they'll be made from white flour.

iDave is correct.
You're just out of date and seem to refuse to update your thinking.
Fortunately, not everyone is like you.

By your own admission you are very active, on whatever food you choose to eat.

So what do you know about weight gain and weight loss ?.

Its no news here, that if, like TSY, you are an exercise addict.
You can eat what the heck you like and you won't gain weight if you're moving sufficiently.

But how is that understood to be [i]healthy[/i]

I've made this point before.

Just because your body tolerates certain foods, without you presenting any clinically detectable symptoms.
Does automatically make that food [i]healthy[/i] for you.

[i]So a flapjack on a Friday afternoon train journey without any suitable alternative is 'stuffing my face all the time' is it? [/i]

Easy Grips.

He's just kindin with ya.

[i]7.5[b]mm[/b] for both. [/i]
Adjusted to TSY dimension scale.
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7.5mm is the thickness of white bread - another good reference point.

[i]7.5mm is the thickness of white bread - another good reference point. [/i]
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This is taken from an article I was reading this morning about barefoot running. It's seems to sum up this thread quite nicely...

This is an eerily similar thing to what happens when it comes to dietary advice. Recently, I've been involved in debate back here in SA about paleo diets, low carb diets, high carb diets and the like. And once again, it's a situation where people seem to become over-zealous, finding a cause for which they appoint themselves the spokesperson. Their success, which is either isolated (1 in 100) or common (1 in 2, perhaps, but never 100%) becomes their proof, and they start telling the world there is only one way to succeed. "Follow me to change your life" is the message, whether it's barefoot running or eating like a caveman supposedly did. They thus make the mistake they accuse others of making, by lumping everyone into the same group.

And here, those who succeed become loud, outspoken (and dare I say, obnoxious), whereas those who fail slink away into the background and remain quiet about their failure. So those who tried barefoot running and got injured disappear, those who succeeded often find a soapbox, write a book, and shout about it. Those who try low carbohydrate diets and fail revert back to routine with minimal fuss, whereas those who succeed feel the need to tell the world. They dismiss any research study finding that challenges their position as "corrupt", "incompetent" and "garbage", and so debate goes nowhere. Once again, this happens because of aggressive advocacy, when it should be about education.

The golden rule in science should be that polarization should be regarded as highly suspicious. There are very few things that are known with absolute certainty, and when you're dealing with incredibly complex human physiology, the individual differences that make us who we are, what we're good at, how we run and what we eat, for example, are so vast and complex that nothing can be polarized without being wrong! So when someone says "It's all about training, genes don't matter", they're just as wrong as someone who says "It's all about genes, training is irrelevant".

I'm off home now but thanks for the entertainment 🙂

I'm learning all the time and adapting what I/we eat, iDave. I'm learning from threads like this and from persoanl experience. At the moment I'm having to relearn. I think it's probably ageing but some things that I used to love upset my stomach now, apples for example.
How have you changed your mind in the last week?

I think I've recovered enough to do some DIY and it's a lovely evening.

I think pastries were mentioned.

You are mistaken, I only buy bread there.

[i]I'm off home now but thanks for the entertainment[/i]

Phil.[b]W[/b]

You're my entertainment too.
How about that ?.
😆

[i]You are mistaken, I only buy bread there.[/i]

Ok.

Eat pastries at all ?.

I bet you do on your day off.
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Morning - i had muesli for breakfast today...

I had porridge.

I'd like to know from Edukator what weight a competitive endurance athlete of 5'10" should be.

....it just refuses to die.

Whatever happened to the thread that'll never die thread?

I also had muesli.

In other news, it is snowing up here, and i don't have any biscuits with me today. 😥

[i]Whatever happened to the thread that'll never die thread? [/i]

Err.

It died !.

I don't have breakfast.
Iz I wrong ?.

To leave the other thread to iDieters.

I'm down to 11 st 2 lb this morning!

You are wasting away TSY! Oh, you know how we trimmed my weights rountine down? And now that i'm not climbing at all (not enough time, boo), i'm so weak upper body wise. The trx press ups/mountain climbers etc are so hard work as i can hardly do them now having lost so much upper body strength. Its not even meant i'm lighter either! 😡

You'll be on supersize vs. superskinny soon.

That sucks! I on the other hand am finding pull-ups a fair bit easier than I used to... power to weight innit!

I on the other hand am finding pull-ups a fair bit easier than I used to...

ANECDOTAL!!!!

I may have to consult you again to see what i could re-introduce that will help without overdoing it. I know i don't need stronger arms for road racing, but when its now my arms that let me down for things like press ups...well its just not good. *shakes head*

I on the other hand am finding pull-ups a fair bit easier than I used to... power to weight innit

On my sample size of 1 Jamie it is 100% accurate.

POIDH?

On my sample size of 1 Jamie it is 100% accurate.

CITATION NEEDED!

POIDH?

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You ever tried taking a picture of yourself doing a pull-up?

Anyway I have a graph that I've made up to support my conclusion.

Anyway I have a graph that I've made up to support my conclusion.

SUBMIT IT FOR PEER, OR SOLO, REVIEW!

How do I get it from Excel to here?

You ever tried taking a picture of yourself doing a pull-up?

Why can't you take the picture using your other arm?

More importantly where's my sodding birthday cake?!??

Limited scapular rotation. I'm working on it though.

How about I give you a picture of me in my birthday suit for your birthday treat?

In the meantime here's the iDave cake I made for you...

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Cool! A half woman half cake thing is possibly the best present ever!!

Ham Cake ?.

I suppose thats what it must be to be icompliant

anyone else puzzled by how much that cake weighs? It looks pretty heavy (assuming it is all meat), but the woman seems to be holding it out there without much bother.

probably polystyrene with a few slithers of wafer thin ham draped over it

nudge

NUDGE

ffs

Thanks heavens for keeping this thread alive. I was just about to start another one. 😀

It looks pretty heavy (assuming it is all meat), but the woman seems to be holding it out there without much bother

If you ate meat cakes you'd be able to carry it with ease too.

🙄 some people 🙄

surely processed meat is off the menu according to the 'list'? This cake is non-compliant.

It's iDave+ as are pork pies.

so on the idave+ you are allowed basically all of the things that are on the idave banned list except; cakes not made from ham or cakes and beer?

Cakes are in too. Beer is a dodgy area, it's ok if accompanied by a ciggy.

that's okay then I only ever drink when smoking 😀

BORED!!

Where's Molgrips gone?

I had a spanish omelette made with sweet potatoes and I did myself a red wine enema for tea last night. is this iDave compliant? The enema helped me sick up the omelette and then well you know at the same time. I must be loosing weight.

I must be loosing weight

What is this loosing?

losing sorry....

so is a red wine enema iDave compliant? I want to do it again as I felt strangely gratified and hollow at the same time right after I had purged myself. Plus the warm drunk feeling left me sleeping deeply so I woke up fresh as a daisy and totally hydrated. Which I believe to be symptomatic of an extended period of the iDave diet.

What wine did you use?

it was a merlot; a cheap merlot though

Yeah, you need to read his blog and make sure it's on the recommended list.

Otherwise you're far better off using black coffee... possibly with a pinch of cinnamon.

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I have no cinnamon; can I replace with nutmeg?

Ummm.. if you're down to less than 15% BF and you keep the nutmeg whole then yes, that's iDeal.

Alright then.

Lets try to make some use of this.

Last night, I had a go at those flat bread, as posted by Maccrusiekenn, whatever his name was.

I got it into the fridge and it did kinda set, a bit.

But it was still too soft to slice and slip into the frying pan.

So. All you flat bread making experts out there.
Teach me flat bread making.
I'm fairly handy in the kitchen ( flat bread aside) I follow instructions and normally get the desired result.

However, this is STW, not a cook book and I need a bit more detail, info, in order to produce good flatbread.

There !.
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My BF at the moment is 16.2% But once it has dropped below 15% is should do a coffee enema and then insert the nutmeg as a suppository?

Single_Tracker.

I chuck some gram flour, water, olive oil, an egg, salt & pepper and some herbs / spcies of my liking into a bowl. Mix it together and then bang it in a frying pan.

[i]Single_Tracker.

I chuck some gram flour, water, olive oil, an egg, salt & pepper and some herbs / spcies of my liking into a bowl. Mix it together and then bang it in a frying pan.
[/i]

As do I, but I get [i]stick[/i] to the bottom of the F/P, which is stainless, not non-stick.

[url= http://www.dietfreedom.co.uk/recipes/gram-flour-flatbreads ]gram flour recipe[/url]

Ahh... I use a non-stick pan with some olive oil in it.

TSY, Alex222.

Thanks. I think the recipe by [b]M[/b] is a good one.

Its the technique.

Others make it sound simple, I'm guessing they must be using non-stick F/Ps.

Oh well.

I tried.

Cheers.

🙂

Single_tracker - have you heard of shopping? I bought a pan from Ikea a couple of years ago... still going a treat I think it was a tenner. Full metal handle so can go straight in the over too.

[i]Single_tracker - have you heard of shopping?[/i]

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Lets not go there... Please.

EDIT:

I choose not to use non-stick cooking equip.
Ta.

do you cook one side on the hob and then put in the oven/grill as opposed to flipping then?

[i]do you cook one side on the hob and then put in the oven/grill as opposed to flipping then?[/i]

I think this is what I am going to try next.

Good one.

😀

Why?

Anyway... there are recipes for oven baked flat breads too.

[i]there are recipes for oven baked flat breads too[/i]

Yes, they are on my list of things to try, also.
Especially with the addition of an egg or two.

I find that this

cook one side on the hob and then put in the oven/grill as opposed to flipping