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Just a commentary that when it comes down to it my(our?) gender is nearly always the one that nauses things up. We are crap at playing nicely.
Just spoke to my mate at work who has got back from Marseilles. He was in the end next to the Russians and in the square shown in the GoPro footage. He says it was the most shocking and terrifying thing he's ever been in. Before the game they were drinking in the square and Russians groups of say 50 or so would come through dressed with Balaclavas looking like militants and looking for English. He and his mates ran as fast as possible elsewhere, where they would find another bar to sit outside at. Another Russian group would come through and they would scarper again. The police were tear gassing and water cannoning but the Russians would wait behind them and attack after that.
Sounds shocking and the comments from the GoPro vid suggest its just the beginning. TBH for the sake of football, just ban both teams IMO. And god knows what will happen in Russia for the World cup
A coach load of Russians detained in Nice according to Europe 1 so a few might be brought to justice.
Sounds shocking and the comments from the GoPro vid suggest its just the beginning. TBH for the sake of football, just ban both teams IMO.
The problem is they are there now, I'm guessing the Russian Mobs will be heading to settle some eastern bloc scores if they don't have other games to play.
Northumbria Police Official Statement‘Passports seized ahead of Euro 2016
As the summer season approaches more than a hundred people will not be allowed to travel abroad – because they’re banned from watching football.
The European Championships kicks off in France this week but the 164 football fans on banning orders in the North East won’t be allowed to travel after surrendering their passports.
The 122 Newcastle United fans and 42 Sunderland fans subject to orders in the Northumbria Police force area had until 7pm last Wednesday to hand in their documentation ahead of the tournament.
Most of those supporters handed their passport into their local police station before the deadline – but eight people failed to do it in time.
The supporters – who are all male aged between 17 and 30 – were visited by police officers over the weekend and had their passports seized. Six of them have now been summonsed to court for breach of a football banning order. The other two are set to be summonsed at a future date.
Operations Commander Chief Superintendent Steve Neill will lead the English delegation of officers in France this summer and said strides have been made to tackle football disorder in recent years.
He said: “Our Football Neighbourhood Policing Team regularly engage with our local communities and warn supporters, young people in particular, about the consequences of getting into trouble at the football.
“Many don’t realise that invading the pitch, being verbally abusive or even being part of a group who are causing trouble can leave you with a football banning order and unable to travel abroad.
“We will continue to use this power and hope those who have had to surrender their passports have learnt just how much of an impact these orders can have on your life.
“I’m proud to say that in recent years our football fans have worked really closely with police and partners and deserve huge amounts of credit for the way they have behaved when following their team.”
- See more at: http://www.themag.co.uk/2016/06/122-newcastle-fans-banned-travelling-euros-newcastle-united-sunderland-fans/#sthash.UAaEovy6.dpuf
From a story in the NUFC mag a little while back, it is getting harder and harder for the UK nutcases to get out to these events, if you want a fight then they will find one, and most likely not be able to go abroard during a major tournament again.
With anything a small minority do get through but from previous years the majority are not there to cause trouble. I Don't know what steps if any the Russians have taken (Or the European police forces to prevent them entering.)
Don't know what steps if any the Russians have taken
Sounds like they paid for their air fares and sent them off with a cheery wave.
You should be aware of the links between dodgy Russian politicians/Oligarchs and not only 'Ultra' football hooligans, but also biker gangs. In a lot of cases they are virtually a private extra-judicial militia for some very aggressive neo-fascist politicians and associated groups. Their violence is endemic, and they've been implicated in loads of dodgy stuff (investigative journalists getting killed etc) where its handy that Putin and his cronies can deny any involvement. It serves as a warning to those who fancy criticising or asking awkward questions of the present, utterly corrupt regime in Moscow, and the extremely dodgy company it keeps
Be under no illusions: football hooliganism like this, and the behaviour we've witnessed over the last week, is effectively state sanctioned
More Russians are being investigated in Marseille this morning.
Looking at this from north of the border, I think it's fair to say that the 'English disease' as it was once known has, since the disturbances against Ireland in the 90's, been on remission. People will talk of individual incidents like Millwall, etc.... but in the main, We've not seen the huge problems like we used to when England play abroad. The work carried out by police in tracking down the organised hooligans and dishing out banning orders has played a huge part in that IMO.
It must be horrible to be involved in the likes of those disturbances in Marseille for the innocent fans, lots of you are quick to blame your own, and that's understandable given what used to go on, but there are always a lot of contrubuting factors, it's not a black and white argument.
One thing that's true though, is that yer average young male Brit abroad really doesn't know how to behave, and needs to learn a bit of respect for our neighbours.
I know if I was there, I wouldn't be anywhere near those main squares either btw.
And god knows what will happen in Russia for the World cup
They should never have been awarded it in the first place.
As I said ages ago, if the English nutters decide to travel (assuming we qualify) to exact revenge for what happened in Marseille then things could end up very nasty.
As I said ages ago, if the English nutters decide to travel (assuming we qualify) to exact revenge for what happened in Marseille then things could end up very nasty.
as above their passports will be removed long before the tournament.
For the WC in Russia I worry more about the innocent fans
That's a bit patronising. I'm sure the ladies can swing a chair with the best of them. Also, the idea that women are a placid breed goes against everything I experienced growing up with two sisters 😉
A coach load of Russians detained in Nice according to Europe 1 so a few might be brought to justice.
Nice!
Theotherjonv
The was one major incident on Thursday, about 200 English fans drinking in the old town square singing the xenophobic songs and generally intimidating everyone who came near
The French police tried to disperse then with teargas, many of the fans responded with bottles at the police
As this was in the centre of the town it was easily photographed by reporters and the French police.
Those fans were idiots. In an age of CCTV and camera phones anyone caught lobbing stuff at police will get prosecuted and that's when the arrests were made, I believe English police are studying the pictures now so more arrests to follow.
The violence carried out by the Russian ultras seems to have been in the backstreet alleyways looking at vids on Twitter, where the police had virtually no presence and the ultras kept moving constantly rather than staying in a big chanting easilt arrestable sunburnt mass like the English
Personally I think you'd have to be out of your ****ing mind to be heading to Russia for the World Cup. Its obvious that it was corruptly awarded, but given the side of Russian football this has exposed, and the reaction of the present Russian Government mob (collective shrug/borderline bragging), it looks like its a disaster waiting to happen. Would anyone bet against there being deaths?
For the WC in Russia I worry more about the innocent fans
Anyone who thinks supporting England in Russia is a good plan needs their head read.
With a bit of luck, the city allocation will leave fans the prospect of the charms of a fortnight in Nizhny Novgorod (day trip to Dzerzhinsk, anyone?)
as above their passports will be removed long before the tournament.
Well yes, that is usually the case but I am sure that if a hardcore of them really want to travel they will find a way.
I'm not so convinced that Russia 2018 will be as big a nightmare as it would appear currently.
There will be vastly more 'normal' Russian fans going to games to dilute the Russia hooligan influence; secondly I can't imagine a Russian police / army riot squad to be something that plays fair and the fear of that might curb the excesses.
I'm still not going though.....
The French police tried to disperse then with teargas, many of the fans responded with bottles at the police
It seems the default approach by the French security forces is to use tear gas - and whilst I do not condone what the English fans did, going in like that is always going to cause a reaction.
Does anyone know if they actually tried integrating with the fans, showing a high visibility approach and engaging with them, chatting to them and generally taking a softer approach than just deciding to lob in a few grenades at the first sign of trouble?
@kimbers: don't get me wrong - there is a substantial nobhead presence still among England 'fans', even if it's a small proportion of the overall, a small proportion x a lot of visiting fans still = a substantial number. And they will gravitate to each other, and act badly, and they deserve what is (legally) coming to them. As the article said - banning orders, passports confiscated, etc. Throw the book at them; not a chair or an iron bar.
As others have said. If i was there supporting, i wouldn't be in the town square with the mass of dickheads because it's not my scene and it's not what i go to football for. I'd probably have been in a small bar with my mates in an alley somewhere else, but as has been seen, that wouldn't necessarily have kept me safe against others intent on bad things.
The world cup will be a Putin showpiece, it'll pass without incident.
The world cup will be a Putin showpiece, it'll pass without incident.
This. They won't allow them to shit in their own nest.
French CRS totally lost control. If you watch some of the other videos from the same YouTube account you can see a mass charge by Russians as the CRS stand to one side, no intervention, no tear gas. They are clearly afraid (understandable) and certainly outnumbered.
Russian World Cup should be cancelled. Full stop. Absolutely no doubt the bid was won via corruption and now we have this clear indication of what the security situation will be. With it oikely there will be yet another change at FIFA its time to cancel the 2018 tournament
I'd probably have been in a small bar with my mates in an alley somewhere else, but as has been seen, that wouldn't necessarily have kept me safe against others intent on bad things.
This is exactly what Jamie Vardy's wife was doing, having lunch in a Bistro when they where tear gassed. I have been to Marseilles a few times inc for Rugby WC in 2007, the old port and its bars and restaurants is the place to go. Its all within a few 100 yards of each other, terraces, sunshine, view of the boats and harbour.
and whilst I do not condone what the English fans did, going in like that is always going to cause a reaction.
I'm in no way advocating police brutality and agree a light-touch approach works much better to prevent violence. However, can you imagine the outcry if a mob of drunken foreign football hooligans went on the rampage in a British city and the police had stood by? I remember when Rangers fans went on the rampage in Manchester, the general feeling was that the cops were far too lenient and should have kicked the **** out of them, so England fans can't really complain when they're on the receiving end.
The world cup will be a Putin showpiece, it'll pass without incident.
I agree. There's no way Putin will allow any trouble on his own doorstep. I still wouldn't go though. If the Russian hooligans continue to do their worst, as well as ejecting them from the tournament, UEFA should be threatening a boycott of the Russia world cup. I suspect it would go quiet very quickly.
I'm in no way advocating police brutality and agree a light-touch approach works much better to prevent violence.
What I am trying to say is that (from what I gather from news reports regarding the French approach) is that their default reaction is to throw in the tear gas to disperse fans. However by doing this they simply cause confrontation - a few beered up idiots is all it takes and when they start lobbing stuff back it quickly gets out of control.
What you see in England these days is a police presence that integrates with the fans, laughing, chatting, generally keeping the mood fun and relaxed.
I do wonder whether the Russian plan was to wait for the English fans to get a bit rowdy and, with the confusion of the tear gas and bottles been thrown back and forth, jump in with their quick-fire attacks.
It is such a shame though that we are here at another tournament and all people seem to want to do is discuss the trouble rather than be amazed at what has been, for the large part, a great tournament so far.
the old port and its bars and restaurants is the place to go.
Les Goudes or Montredon would be my choice.
Its all gone bit TripAdvisor 😆
Ambience ***
Convenience **
Cleanliness **
Service of Local Police *
Friendliness of Locals *
Oh yeah, you get a far better class of hooligan south of Parc Borely.
This is exactly what Jamie Vardy's wife was doing, having lunch in a Bistro when they where tear gassed. I have been to Marseilles a few times inc for Rugby WC in 2007, the old port and its bars and restaurants is the place to go. Its all within a few 100 yards of each other, terraces, sunshine, view of the boats and harbour.
How much violence and tear gas did you experience then out of interest?
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Appreciate that Edukator but the tourist infrastructure is around the old port and both of those are further away from the stadium. In particular Les Goudes (google is my friend). We stayed up by the Cathedral in an Air B&B type place but it was dead around there.
@tmh no Russians or CRS, just lots of grumpy Aussies and Bokkers taking the piss
I agree. There's no way Putin will allow any trouble on his own doorstep.
Makes sense now. They gave the ultras a free pass to cause shit at Euro 2016, in return for being in bed by 9pm and helping old ladies across the road at WC 2018.
Russians fined €150000. That'll teach 'em!
And a suspended DQ.
martinhutch - MemberAnyone who thinks supporting England in Russia is a good plan needs their head read.
You know how usually we stop the headbangers from travelling? I think we should lay on free charter flights to Russia.
im not justifying them, im as embarrassed by topless English louts abroad as anyone, but I have been to Marseille to watch football and trouble does seem to just find you there.
Bolton were playing Marseille in the UEFA cup, we were sat outside that irish bar in the old port, everyone in good spirits with the occasional singalong. then before you knew it we had been barricaded in by a army of riot police, if anyone tried to leave they were shoved back, no reasoning or explanations just callousness. this understandably got a few people a bit irate and things got a bit heated. but then missiles started flying in; cans, bottles, rocks etc. there was a firm of French hooligans behind the police! they had just come to cause trouble and it appears the police were actually protecting us. but these kids pelting stuff at us made Bolton fans even more desperate to break the defences so the plod started clobbering folk. it was a nightmare and all caused by the polices poor handling of the situation.
Just a note on our green stripey shorted friend:
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In a bold move, he is accompanying the natty boxer shorts/trainers ensemble, with a tartan hat. Very brave.
So you'd rather the police hadn't been there and left the gangs to do their worst to you, Maholo? The police are used to dealing with these people, it takes a bus load of CRS to get a fire engine into some parts of Marseille.
and chanting 'ISIS, Where are you?'
I don't understand all the "How awful, they were singing anti-ISIS songs". Would you rather they were singing pro-ISIS songs?!
😆
Someone should stand those chairs up... if someone falls on one of them, they could get quite a nasty bruise.
Typical shoddy EU approach to H&S issues.
I don't understand all the "How awful, they were singing anti-ISIS songs". Would you rather they were singing pro-ISIS songs?!
🙄
Do you want me to explain it? Do I really have to?
Impressed too, that even in the midst of a full on street brawl, the guy in the background is determined to see his rendition of 'La Macarena' through to the end.
So you'd rather the police hadn't been there and left the gangs to do their worst to you, Maholo?
id rather they pinned back the antagonists rather than penning us in & making us sitting ducks. and Id rather they didn't hit people with sticks.
Marseille has a large number of Algerian and African immigrants, im suspecting that the ISIS chants were deemed rather innapropriate
Am I not the only one who thinks they were trying to recreate this image
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But the flag was zapped with a shrink ray at the vital moment...
Just discovered that the lad who got himself chucked in Marseille harbour is from the village I grew up in. Quite a few of our finest local sports fans in bother over there, apparently, bless 'em, the stupid ****s.
that's amazing, binners! I bet you could see them magic eye puzzles too!! 
€150,000 fine and "suspended" suspension. You can see what the Russians think about that by their responce in the press conference.
Policing in the Stadium was a joke too, all the Russians had to do was climb over a simple barrier. After letting off their flares of course.
As for "Where is ISIS" the nutter was Facebook live broadcasting his murder of an off duty Policeman and his partner while telling people online he hadn't decided what to do with their traumatised 3 year old yet. What an Islamic hero.
Impressed too, that even in the midst of a full on street brawl, the guy in the background is determined to see his rendition of 'La Macarena' through to the end.
Given the guy in red on the floor is executing some outstanding breakdance moves, I can only assume this is a dance off.
Clearly inappropriate but that Russian is the spitting image of Sam Warburton.
Meanwhile the Irish continue to cement their reputation....
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Clearly inappropriate but that Russian is the spitting image of Sam Warburton.
YES!
I saw that too, but I'm crap at name to face recognition, and rather than post 'he looks like someone' i've been waiting for it to come to me.
And following the dance theme further, the Russian formation shoeing did slightly remind me of [img] 
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Bongo are they fixing the tyre or knicking the wheels ;). Fair play to out Irish friends, very nice 🙂
Just another day in Paris, Riots and Molotov cocktails being thrown at the police, tear gas being fired back
[url= http://www.bfmtv.com ]BFM TV[/url]
Just chatting to a colleague fresh back from Marseille.
His experience backs up the "Russians did it" view:
"We were outside a quiet bar well away from the noisy English when the Russians appeared, set about us, knocked my mate unconscious and then legged it. After they ran away the french police teargassed us."
After the game he said the atmosphere on the walk back was really ominous - his group escaped trouble by diving into a McDonalds (where they were locked in).
His strong advice is not to go to any game at the championships.
Reminds me, my sister and partner are due to be going to one of the England games....
In light of all this information, are we all agreed that Wrightyson owes us all an unreserved apology for sullying our good English name?
Obviously he doesn't need to apologise to Edukator and other Johnny Foreigner types 😀
Edit - I misread #oops
I was down town earlier as the [url= http://www.larepubliquedespyrenees.fr/2016/06/14/forte-mobilisation-pour-la-dixieme-manifestation-contre-la-loi-travail-a-pau,2033142.php ]manif[/url] went through, a bit of smoke but no gas.
In light of all this information, are we all agreed that Wrightyson owes us all an unreserved apology for sullying our good English name?
Indeed Bongo!
Anyway, doesn't Wimbledon start soon? Any Russians playing? 😕
Edit - I misread #oops
Go on...what did you say?
*puts on best pair of green stripey shorts*
Meanwhile the Irish continue to cement their reputation....
I thought they were pulling their drunken mate from under the car! 😆
Attaching a bomb aren't they?
Aren't they suspended for drugs cheating? 😆Anyway, doesn't Wimbledon start soon? Any Russians playing?
Even the Russians letting me down now by being the instigators. Our lads can't even stand up to a decent ruck now. We got pwned!
We got pwned!
To be fair, we are playing the reserves.
[url= https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/14/russia-handed-suspended-euro-2016-disqualification-fined-150000-uefa ]How long before the nukes start falling?[/url]
A little bit of trouble in Lille:
Meanwhile the Irish continue to terrorise locals....
Cripes, Stan is taking a bit of a bettering following his periscoping. 😆
If only he'd been able to periscope a few years back.
the guardian are live blogging the frightful oiks at it again in france 😆 its like hooligan porn.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jun/15/euro-2016-hit-by-fresh-violence-live
Just watching the [url= https://www.periscope.tv/w/1nAJEqPYBARJL ]Collymore[/url] stuff....English fans are being dicks it seems. No fighting, just a bit shouty and obnoxious.
It seems a prerequisite of being an England fan abroad that you can't take your beer.
ISIS have a football team now?
As someone who doesn't follow football, this is all terribly confusing to me.
the eu thinks about westernising ukraine and russia retake crimea
but the eu wants a little footy competition and russia not only wants to take part but also wants to discredit this great nations hooooligans.
^if isis say you are in the team, you are in the team, to the end.
A friend is working security for one of the media outlets, he said that the russians are behaving like a military unit (and he should know..)
Very very organised.
Wow...sky news now. Totally disproportionate response from the French police to a group of 200ish England fans. Not causing trouble it seems, just getting rowdy. It looks like this group have been harassed by the media & police all day whilst sitting in a bar-not surprised they're getting a bit shirty. A massive overreaction to the problem imo
A friend is working security for one of the media outlets, he said that the russians are behaving like a military unit (and he should know..)
Very very organised.
Is that to do with the mandatory national service over there though, any kids who don't do well at school get turned into brainless nationaist thugs?
Not causing trouble, just getting rowdy..
Same thing to me.
Totally disproportionate response from the French police to a group of 200ish England fans. Not causing trouble it seems, just getting rowdy.
If a bunch of pissed up idiots from out of town were hanging round my street singing racist songs at the top of their voices then I think I'd expect the cops to do something about it whether they were fighting or not.
Are you holding a football tournament in your town?
And 'by doing something about it' do you think that charging them with tear gas is appropriate? All they're doing is moving them to someone else's street. At least they had them under supervision where they were.