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Stop with the provoked and goaded shite. As if England fans need any excuse. For a large number of them, this is what it's all about. Time and time again they have proven they can't be trusted, yet there is always someone else to blame. About time England is permanently banned from international competition.
Stop with the provoked and goaded shite. As if England fans need any excuse. For a large number of them, this is what it's all about. Time and time again they have proven they can't be trusted, yet there is always someone else to blame. About time England is permanently banned from international competition.
Many videos like this. There are Russian, French Ultras, plus local gangs targeting the English. I am not saying there are not English starting fights, but they are being targeted. These are the reports coming from UK police monitoring it seems.
Sins of the fathers and all that I guess.
Nice unbiased video reporting there.
whose bright idea was it to send england back to play in marseille? it's a total **** up from the moment that decision was made.
It was nobodys decision, it was a random draw.
There are several videos on the Figaro site. The main problem according to French media is groups of England "fans" attacking the police directly. Russian and England [b]fans[/b] seem to be getting on fine and things would probably be fine with the locals if the England "fans" refrained from racist chants.
Best thing for the tournament would be for Wales and Slovakia to go through from the group stages.
I was in Marseille in '98 when it all kicked off. Me and a few mates who didn't have tickets watched the game in a fan park surrounded by other fans and families. All bags searched for bottles and metal detectors on entry so everyone was 'clean'. When England scored the Tunisian fans charged the English, bottles, knives, machetes the works. We managed to climb over the fence to get away before being forced back by French riot police. I've never been so scared in my life, and I am forever grateful for the couple that ushered us into their apartment to hide.
I'm not saying there aren't some horrible individuals who go away with England (although some will probably be supporting their own team this time) but the attitude and methods employed back then from the French police were disgusting, it would appear they haven't changed.
tournament would be for Wales and Slovakia to go through from the group stages.
That's bollocks mate
That's bollocks mate
Well, I'd quite happily see both teams' supporters going home...but it would be unfair to do it by eliminating them now. So, hopefully, they'll **** off home when their teams are out of it.
The best thing would be to cancel the tournament and send everyone home.
History and video says the England "fans" started the fights in 1998, Irelanst. Judge for yourselves:
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It only takes a few grade A [idiots] to make the English fans the bad guys, the police and rival fans could even be the instigators, but once pictures like these emerge, its not much of a defense
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Photo journos are concentrating on making the England fans seem worse than everyone else kimbers. 🙂
It's good to see they've been working out. Usually they are more rotund.
I know it's a cliche but even as a scotsman I feel genuinley sorry for the vast majority of decent England fans caught up in this shite. It's a vicious circle with England fans going back decades that because of their reputation opposition thugs want to battle them. They dont help themselves though with their jingoistic chanting about the IRA , Isis or whatever vulgar song they can make up to antagonise the opposition. Take 50 right wing hooligans fueled on bevvy stick them in the sun and they can quickly get 200 or 300 weak minded young lads to follow them. These guys aren't even old school football casuals who at least only battled their own they will punch and kick anyone who gets in their way.
Look at Wales today the polar opposite of the scum in Marseille and I'd put money on Ireland and Northern Ireland being the same. I've been abroad at Aberdeen games and seen what a handful of arseholes can do to ruin a good trip.
The England fans have clearly been the victims of crime here. The guy second from the right for example, he's obviously had his belt stolen.
I'm fairly sure it's impossible for a group of England fans to gather in numbers without becoming involved in violence, because of their reputation trouble will always find them.
Maybe if they stopped inviting trouble, it would stop looking for them.
I disagree Paul, It's because they'll always be a drunken Brit to throw a punch or a bottle, smash a window, kick a car, paw someone's wife/girlfriend, push someone around... .
Edit: @km How would that work? Have you never been involved in a situation where through no fault of your own it's all kicked off around you?
@Edukator, so at which point does that result as a load of local footy hooligans, turning up en masse for a scrap then?
Oh FFS some England fans are there for trouble, no excuses. And even if you think they are not, it's not OK to get blind drunk and sing racist songs. Our country has a problem with drunkenness. I've lived in Cardiff and Nottingham and you see it every weekend.
Anyone caught being a nob should have their passport taken off them and never given back
I don't think anyone disagrees, it's just the fact that it's not just an English problem is the bit that most people on here are choosing to miss. There's ****ers from a whole host of nations turned up here to cause a bit of bother.
Plenty of French TV coverage today, quite a lot of fighting England "fans" vs Russian "fans" from what I saw. English guy in hospital with critical injuries after being hit with a metal bar (not Police). All very ugly.
Evening kick off in a Mediterainian resort with beer on tap all day - its not rocket science
I don't think anyone disagrees, it's just the fact that it's not just an English problem is the bit that most people on here are choosing to miss. There's **** from a whole host of nations turned up here to cause a bit of bother.
Exactly.
There is Zenit St. Petersburg Ultras' stickers all round the place apparently.
its not much of a defense
What was someone saying about a mirror 😉
We have fan zones couldn't we have hooligan zones? Stick some cameras up and sell the TV rights.
Street cleaners and chair repairers will be in great demand tonight.
also wonder what happens if one of those english thugs turns out to work at your company, dismisal, suspension or keeps their job, Discuss
Quoting a police offer who's just caught fighting Brit, paraphrasing: "We've just filmed you fighting, have you been in trouble before?" - "no" - "you can go but if you're involved again you'll be put on record and the British police informed".
Hardly heavy handed. I was chatting to a CRS out on the mtb earlier. They hate it because they are under orders not to fight back and simply take the shit thrown at them as they separate groups - he's had steel balls, bottles, dirty nappies, cobbles, chairs etc. thrown at him. Making arrests is secondary to maintaining order and done opportunistically. 1000 police and 300 CRS in Marseille this evening.
<posts only whilst waiting for the actual game to improve>
<pauses: Rooney near miss offside anyway>
Actual post:
Is this a bit of a dig at Brexit? You know, land a kick at a 'turncoat'?
Forget that, England are on the score sheet!
If England get through the group stage I assume many of these fools will be out of the UK on 23rd June. That would be a result.
Good point the remain camp worried about potential voters being at Glastonbury. Brexiters worrying that all those chanting Brexit songs in Marseille won't have sorted out their postal votes 😉
It's simple, surely..
Your fans behave like animals, your team gets removed from the competition.
Police spokeswoman: "Bande de sauvages" doesn't need translating. Paraphrasing the rest: "It was predictable and we are well prepared, everything possible has been done to keep the two sides apart".
Now four people "dans un état grave" (seriously injured) which isn't that bad as it's one down from "état critique", and one Brit who was beaten about the head by a Russian with an iron bar is "entre la vie et la mort" (between life and death). Grim pic in the French Huffington Post which I won't link.
1-1 excellent result for peace in Marseille.
Nice idea, though I would've thought the first thing the ultras would do is put on the opposing country's kit.
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If England get through the group stage I assume many of these fools will be out of the UK on 23rd June. That would be a result.
Look on the bright side
Embarrassed the country yet again.
Why do watch football again?
Remember the friendship, unity and respect from the London Olympics?
Yes, Frankenstein. I spectated at the London Olympics and the atmosphere was great, but wouldn't have gone into Marseille today.
football... "proleten sport" as i kept saying to my German colleagues when questioned as to me watching the game.
tbh, i'd rather watch a load of hooligans going at each other and then being battered by the Police than 90 minutes of football.
Do they have football (or sports) violence in America?
wilburt - yeah, there was a riot in Vancouver a couple of years ago over an ice hockey match/result! Not sure about the USA.
Remember the friendship, unity and respect from [s]the[/s] [s]London Olympics?[/s] Euro '96?
wilburt - yeah, there was a riot in Vancouver a couple of years ago over an ice hockey match/result! Not sure about the USA.
but all the fans involved got together a bit later and cleaned up a lot of the damaged caused. I also seem to remember one pro mountain biker lost their sponsorship over it.
In this case, the English fans have been ambused, time and again, by organised and hardened Russians (in fairly small numbers).
The blame lies with the Russians, not the English.
You could even argue that the bans on English hooligans has meant the England fans who are there are easy pickings for the Russians.
Glad that we didn't win the World Cup bid, **** inviting animals like that over.
badnewz, agree the Russians are to blame for some very nasty violence
But every bottle or chair lobbed by an English fan is still hooliganism. Whether provojed by police or attacked by Russians 1st
There are plenty of pictures of England fans doing just that on news sites and twitter, the BBC reported that a large number of English fans were throwing objects.
The really stupid thing is that the French police are filming them, they are easily identifiable in these pictures, they are likely to be prosecuted, face travel bans and potentially lose their jobs
The Russian and French 'ultras' at least gave the common sense to wear balaclavas!
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Your source badnewz? I've seen a few photos of England fans in confrontational situations too.
Personally, I would introduce a zero tolerance mandate, whereby any violence results in immediate withdrawal from the tournament for the relevant team.
This would have the added benefit of reducing the length of the competition and likely winner to be by default.
agree the Russians are to blame
"It's not our fault; they started it"
Your source badnewz? I've seen a few photos of England fans in confrontational
Most news outlets seem to be leading with this angle. Several reporters I follow on Twitter are stating this is a concerted effort from Russian and local firms. You only had to see the charging at the stadium to see some of it in action.
Keme Nzerem (CH4 News) - http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sopg85?new_post=true
Stan Collymoore (yeah I know) - Periscope: https://www.periscope.tv/w/1RDGlOAvlDdKL
Paul Hayward (Telegraph) - https://twitter.com/_PaulHayward/status/741743060288167936
Didn't england fans used to the best at hoolaganism, seems something else they are not very good at anymore 😉
Well all our best hooligans are stuck at home. It's like we're playing our reserves.
We never stood a chance 🙁
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I'm a bit sad that England hooligans seem to be getting the blame from the anti football middle Englanders back home..
The problem isn't English yobs, the problem is yobs
What is the cause?
What is the cause?
Football it would seem. Ban football...
Further along the Mediterranean coast, there were reports of attacks on Northern Ireland football fans by local “ultras” in Nice, where the side will play Poland on Sunday.
- [url= https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jun/11/euro-2016-french-police-tactics-raise-fears-of-more-clashes-with-england-fans ]Guardian[/url]
I'll also add, it's a brave English supporter who goes to 2018 WC.
What would Sid & Doris Bonkers say ?
We need a colosseum 😉
Good to see Russian state media have this covered.
“Two hundred and fifty Russian fans repulsed an attack by several thousand English and forced them to flee,” state news service Vesti reported. “English fans started the fight by attacking our fans, but 250 Russians from different corners of our country did not flinch and repulsed the attack of the heavily drunken islanders.”
That'll be the unbiased RT then?
The problem isn't English yobs, the problem is yobs
Years ago when English hooligans were on top of their game we were proud to give them the title of English to seperate them from the rest. Now they're getting their arses kicked, they lose the English identity.
Typical. 😆
A former neighbour of mine was on the front page of The Sun after a rampage at France 98. No idea what his employer did as a consequence, but train drivers were quite well paid even then.
He was from quite a well known local family though.
Now they're getting their arses kicked, they lose the English identity.
I know who's fault that is..
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I'm forever blowing bubbles!
liveleak is better than youtube for film of the clashes.
this related incident is rather funny.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9ab_1465708417
Mucho lolz!
In terms of punishment, I'm afraid it is not an equal playing field.
In the UK, you will get a prison sentence, even for a minor act of hooliganism.
In Russia, you will get a medal.
The proper English hooligans are either inside or busy making Football factory documentaries!
But you can't say this hasn't been expected. There have been a number of attacks on innocent English club team supporters in the last four years on the continent.
I'm just amazed at how much of the media are calling the England fans hooligans, when clearly they are the victims this time around.
that french chap's laughter is infectious. and when he stands up he still hasn't put [i]it[/i] away and he is soaking with piss. lol what a state.
Yes, I imagine that the throwing bottles and chairs, singing racist songs and generally being twunts are all just external manifestations of the poor fans victimhood. The poor misunderstood little lambs.
Not to apologise for those English fans who did kick off, but:
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@squirrelking It depends how you define victim. I would define someone who has his head stamped on repeatedly a victim. I would define the England supporters who were rushed by a group of Russians in the stadium at the end victims too.
I expect however that you consider all England football fans to be the opposite of your enlightened self, and therefore undeserving of the title of victim in any circumstances.
UEFA disciplinary only applies to fan behaviour inside the stadium. No jurisdiction outside
I'm just amazed at how much of the media are calling the England fans hooligans, when clearly they are the victims this time around.
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But they're not the ones you've been defending, from the beginning you have been harping on about provocation and defending the actions of the ones actually partaking in the fights. FFS even the geography has ben blamed. I have no sympathy for anyone who chooses to retaliate to either the provocateur's or police, maybe if they were better behaved the police might be able to do a better job of keeping folk apart rather than fighting on two fronts.
UEFA disciplinary only applies to fan behaviour inside the stadium. No jurisdiction outside
Oh I know, I was just mentioning it as fuel to the point of view there was a Russian element in Marseille targeting English fans.
I should add, I don't prescribe to the English fans are angels, but I do think in this instance they appear to not be the instigators on the whole.
I have no sympathy for anyone who chooses to retaliate to either the provocateur's or police
What you call retaliate, others might consider self-defence.
This is what we know: some of the English fans, as usual, began drinking too heavily in the centre of town. They were then systematically targeted by well organised Russian and French gangs. Yet you still seem to refuse to concede that this makes them victims, when all the first-hand reports we have suggest otherwise. A man had his head repeatedly stamped on! Sorry chap, but your English, therefore it's your fault!
I think it says more about your prejudices than the actual situation.
Quite worrying the Russians got fireworks and a flare gun into the ground. I thought the stadiums were on lockdown in case of possible terrorist threats?
https://twitter.com/espnfc/status/741756412011937792
Even French media are showing footage to show it's the Russians who are the instigators of England - Russia confrontations. It would appear the Brits are frightened of the Russians. The Brits aren't afraid of the French police though because they know the police will always use the minimum force required to maintain order and aren't interested in arresting anybody, so the Brits attack the police. Spineless bullying Brits. The Russians on the other hand don't want trouble with the French police because they will be in double trouble once back in Russia. Now if you were a CRS how keen would you be to save a Brit getting a kicking from a Russian knowing that getting between the two groups would result in the Brits attacking you.
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Seems generous.
Removed for being silly. 😳
Watch the videos, Bongo. Brits attacking the police, Russians attacking Brits. Brits fleeing Russians. If you find any vids of groups of Russians attacking the police please post them. I'm quite happy to change my mind.
At first view not french uniforms or shields, Darcy.