[Closed] I know we all like a good collision video...

My 2p:

In terms of blame I think this a tough one. I'd say perhaps they're both culpable. The cyclist -should- have seen her and demonstrably didn't, and similarly the pedestrian should've looked before crossing the lane (and shouldn't have been crossing there in the first place). And TBH, filtering in standing traffic like that you really need to be expecting pedestrians being cretins and riding defensively accordingly. Someone could quite easily pop out from in front of a stationary bus, and filtering at that speed you'd have no chance.

Watching the video, I too didn't see her until it was "too late," my attention was focused on the other pedestrian. Maybe that's because I was expecting a collision an assumed it'd be him? I dunno. I'd like to think I'd have seen her IRL because in that sort of scenario I'd be scanning for exactly this sort of thing.

I think perhaps the real cause here is the cycle lane. To someone half-paying attention it's not clear at all that it's not just an extension of the pavement, and the fact that it's behind the yellow lines just reinforces that. It's a very poor design (like a vast amount of the UK's cycling "infrastructure").

Thoughts?

I don't know what to think.

Neither of them pay road tax.

Seems neither road user was paying enough attention to where they were going.

Cyclist should have compulsory training and insurance and pay road tax (obvs)

Loathe to say it but 75% the cyclist's fault. She clearly shouldn't have been blithely wandering about without knowing what was around her but he had a far better opportunity to see her than she did him. It wouldn't hurt for him to ease up a bit in potential high conflict areas either.

I agree with one of the comments underneath the vid:

That headline should read "Idiot cyclist falls off after hitting pedestrian in entirely avoidable collision"

She probably checked the traffic before she started crossing behind the bus, bike was hidden by other traffic so she assumed it was clear, bike lane isn't distinct enough to be noticeable when crossing the road.  Like the OP on first time of watching I was focussed on the first pedestrian so didn't see her until too late so (at the speed of the cyclist) would've hit her as well.

So bike could've been going slower, ped could've been more attentive, bike lane could be better delimited.  Both had opportunity to avoid collision so blame is shared, but bike should probably be more cautious when filtering up traffic.  This is all with 20/20 hindsight, but the rider didn't have that benefit so gets my sympathy as (assume) they came off worse.

WTF? I saw her coming before she'd left the house, utterly avoidable and 100% rider's fault. Cycle lane or not, moving up the inside of slow moving traffic demands more attention. Sweary fool.

yup, that's a fair old lick to be going up the inside of a bus.

entirely avoidable (from the comfort of my armchair at least)

God knows where that bloke was looking! Yeah, she shouldn't have just wandered across his path, but he really should have read the situation a bit better & reacted better - shout, ring bell, brake, swerve.....he didn't seem to do anything.

And it's a bus. People generally amble out from behind parked buses (and ice cream vans). It's not exactly a one in a million event.

I can see how he got distracted, but yes his fault ulimately.

i'm loathed to say this, but looks like GoPro cyclist rides into pedestrian to get video.

Totally agree with what Cougar wrote. Obviously, everyone else on here (especailly the above) is a better, more observant, non-sweary rider than me, Cougar or the fella in the video, but it's hard to say without being there if you (sorry) I would've seen her. She certainly wasn't looking - at no point does she even glance up to the left. I guess presuming that as she is right behind a bus, nothing will be heading towards her.

I ride down that road/cycle path every day, and there is a constant stream of people crossing the road and cycle path all the way along that stretch

It is crap, and you need to constantly on guard for people crossing without looking, but she was obvious from a mile off and he  clearly wasn’t paying attention.

I think this is an equipment issue, there is clearly malfunction between his eye-balls and his brake pads.

I like that note under the video:

A road.cc reader has filmed the moment he was knocked off his bike by a pedestrian crossing a cycle lane without looking.

Just looked again. I wonder if the dark glasses he had on made her less visible as she walked across the back of the bus?

I reckon the camera view was quite a bit lighter as it wasn't heavily tinted.

i’m loathed to say this, but looks like GoPro cyclist rides into pedestrian to get video.

+1

zero effort to avoid a hazard

i’m loathed to say this, but looks like GoPro cyclist rides into pedestrian to get video.

that was my first thought too, and going that fast approaching the crossing inside of a bus.....slow and careful would be my approach, he was just steaming on.

on second and third viewings, how did he not see the second person? the first one must have given him a clue?

I'm looking forward to his sequel, man rides into brick wall

Lady wasn't looking, cyclist wasn't paying attention.

I wouldn't cycle on Kirkstall Rd even if you paid me !  Much nicer easier ways to get in to the centre of Leeds.

+ he was videoing so he cant possibly ever be in the wrong....

I have the misfortune to use that stretch on my way into work, it seems to have been designed by someone who has neither walked cycled or driven in an urban space.

Regardless, that is woefully inadequate cycling to not be preparing to stop as the woman crosses, as mentioned above that is typical behaviour along there.

ut it’s hard to say without being there if you (sorry) I would’ve seen her

Clearly everyone else knows exactly what they can see just from watching a video. Awesome.

Cyclist was being a bit of a dick (and a mouthy dick as well), she is clearly visible and i guess he expected her to come to a halt rather than apply the brakes himself to avoid a confrontation.

Clearly a dick who cannot ride.

I think the article mentions he is diabetic, does that somehow make any difference?

Dull vid,I want dancing rabbits and dead cows 😉

Video sometimes looks pretty different to reality, so that could play a part. Though I suspect he was just expecting her to stop?  Either way,I doubt that'd have happened to me...

But it's still someone walking into traffic. Failing to avoid an avoidable hazard that some other idiot creates doesn't make it your fault.

Flame me but I think he did that on purpose.

Scrubbed off enough speed so as not to seriously injure either party but retained enough to give her a shock and (probably) a couple of bruises.

He should have come safely to a stop and then give her a good bollocking.

He's the type that give cyclists a poor rep'.

It also looks like he brushes past the prev ped. Not cool.

Legally I'd expect there to be some contrib on the ped (deffo would be if the cyclist had been in car!)

crap cycling - how can he be so unaware as to hit her when another pedestrian has just crossed in front of him ?

And how can he not expect pedestrians to cross like that in those conditions ?

Self-entitled **** - same sort of entitlement as road drivers cursing cyclists for being on the road.

he made no attempt to slow down even a little when he saw the first pedestrian........as a diabetic, he should have known better

Flame me but I think he did that on purpose.

Not sure about that but this:

One pedestrian had just crossed the path immediately in front of Jamie, distracting him and meaning he didn’t see the second as she came round the back of a bus.

Is bolleaux.

He was going for the gap between the two peds, but she was walking much faster than he'd anticipated. If he was concentrating so much on the first ped then why did he pass him as close as possible?

One thing's for sure, you wouldn't catch me sharing video of my cycling if it was that shit.

Well done to road.cc for completely failing to mention the well-being of the pedestrian.

The type of cyclist that gives cyclists a bad name.

I'm at work so I can't have the sound on - but did he check to see if she was OK?

I think the article mentions he is diabetic, does that somehow make any difference?

Hes not vegan, a crossfitter or triathlete, so was clutching at straws?

i had a similar experience the other day, ped walking obliviously into the road, whilst staring at a phone, managed to swerve in time, luckily the road was empty, and I’d seen her in advance but had assumed people still looked up before crossing roads... silly me

Ultimately, pedestrians have priority, whether on the pavement, road or cycle path. You wouldn't (or shouldn't) get away with driving into a pedestrian if they were wandering across the road and you had a chance to take avoiding action. As for SMIDSY, well, we'd all shout driving without due care if it was a car and cycle.

As for SMIDSY, well, we’d all shout driving without due care if it was a car and cycle.

It certainly didn't look like an unavoidable collision.. I reckon he was probably looking back at the first person he punishment passed.

did he check to see if she was OK?

No, just slags her off a bit.

I think, it's hard to tell as he speaks in some strange dialect.

Ultimately, pedestrians have priority, whether on the pavement, road or cycle path.

No they don't.

Obviously you shouldn't just mow them down with gay abandon whilst screaming "PRIORITAAAAY" in your best Cartman, you should make every attempt to avoid a collision regardless of whether it's a pedestrian, two wheels or four.  But a pedestrian doesn't have the right to just walk into traffic.  The only time you have priority as a pedestrian is if you have a foot on a pedestrian crossing, and over vehicles turning into side roads as previously mentioned.

I reckon he was probably looking back at the first person he punishment passed.

That's a very good point, I think you've hit the nail on the head there.

That’s a very good point, I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there.

Except everyone seems to have 360deg eyes. Like a big horsefly on a bike.

Video seems to have disappeared from road.cc now. Bit of regret on the part of our Go_Pro hero now he's realised he's not going to get any support, or are Plod involved, I wonder?

Cyclist clearly saw her. I'm calling this the worst chat up line in history! 😆 !

Video seems to have disappeared from road.cc now.

Sorry we can't let you access that page

Except everyone seems to have 360deg eyes. Like a big horsefly on a bike.

Not me, just normal human eyes here.

However, I tend to point them in the right direction when riding my bike down that particular stretch of road. Because there are pedestrians crossing every 10 metres

Oddly enough, I’ve never ploughed into anyone on that road even though I’ve ridden it twice a day for 5 years. Coincidence ?

Rather than passing pedestrians as close as possible and then turning round to give them a “tough guy stare” and running into someone else. Maybe this guy should try doing the same.

The only time you have priority as a pedestrian is if you have a foot on a pedestrian crossing, and over vehicles turning into side roads as previously mentioned.

So if a person is on the road, completely visible, I can just drive into them with no fault?

So if a person is on the road, completely visible, I can just drive into them with no fault?

Works in Carmageddon 😀

Video now gone?

Dude (with massive headphones)  stepped out in fromt of me on that road a few weeks ago. I screamed, slammed brakes on, skidded and the only reason i avoided him was because he saw me at the last secomd and stepped back out of the cycle path.

Generally once a week somebody steps out into a cycle path on me. I tend to ring my bell as a pre-emptive strike to avoid a collison these days .

Still beats sitting in a car or bus everyday 😃.

Looks like it might be gone from their facebook page too. They do seem to like the sensationalist helmet cam footage....

So if a person is on the road, completely visible, I can just drive into them with no fault?

You could try reading the other half of my post.

Generally once a week somebody steps out into a cycle path on me. I tend to ring my bell as a pre-emptive strike to avoid a collison these days .

Depending on the time of day, that narrow section of kirkstall road (from The Tannery down to past Cardigan Fields) I would reckon almost every day I have to sing my bell to let someone crossing that I’m there.

Unless that guy has never cycled along there before, he’s a complete tool for not being able to avoid that collision. I’m always hyper aware on that section. Even more if the traffic is slow or stopped and people cross between vehicles

You could try reading the other half of my post.

My point is that the quoted statement is meaningless in that context.

There is no context because you removed it.

A car pulling out of a side road into traffic doesn't have priority either.  By your logic: So if a car pulls out, completely visible, I can just drive into them with no fault?

Missed the video, but read the article. Confused as to why the cyclist found it relevant to point out they were type 1 diabetic.

Awww couldn’t see it 🙁

im not sure these vids actually serve Any purpose thou.

Always seems to turn into a random discussion over right and wrong of every possible point with no intrinsic value.

<span style="font-size: 0.8rem;">By your logic: So if a car pulls out, completely visible, I can just drive into them with no fault?</span>

I've not said anything to infer that from!

My point is that the first bit of your original post is corretc and it's not worth saying anything more on the matter.

I reckon he was probably looking back at the first person he punishment passed.

Not sure about looking back, but I think he was certainly focused on the first one until he'd passed, and only then does he notice the second one.

Blame aside, I think it reinforces my theory that you're most at risk on a bike when you're somewhere that a car can't be.

Blame aside, I think it reinforces my theory that you’re most at risk on a bike when you’re somewhere that a car can’t be.

I'd love to hear more about how you arrived at this theory of yours that an absence of cars increases the risks of cycling.  .

No, it's true; I once got clothes-lined by someone test riding the BMXs around tesco.