[Closed] 'I hate STW. Bunch of middle class whiney cockbags.'

Racist!

(or something)

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What's racist? Mr Khan?

Possibly. He doesn't like Joosh.

Once upon a time, many years ago now I had a mate who went to St.Andrews to study Geo-Chemistry or something.
After he had been there a while I went up for a visit.loaded the clapped out Fiat Strada and headed up. Found what I thought to be the address but was clearly confused by all the MR2 and MK2 golf GTI littered about he place. (this might actually put a man on the era in question) . Had to ring him before I would believe it was student accommodation. Poncey and pretentious but willing totty as I recall. All doing Eng Lit or similar. Still, just jealous comparing that to where i was educated.

Because I question whether social classes can be simply "wished away" by waving a magic wand ?

but there is no social class it's just a concept you want to believe in like father cristmas or jesus, a crutch to give you a place in existence.

free your mind

CM does this radical drop [lets ignore whether this bit is true of false for the moment] to about half suggest the end of class then ?

Probably not, and it might just be a temporary aberration or anomaly, but it might really be the start of the end of the 'ruling classes'

CM I admire your faith CM but I am fairly sure dave aint aiming for a delcine in the influence of his class but we can but dream.

Tazzy
Social classes are economic or cultural arrangements of groups in society. Class is an essential object of analysis for sociologists, political scientists, economists, anthropologists and social historians. In the social sciences, social class is often discussed in terms of 'social stratification'. In the modern Western context, stratification typically comprises three layers: upper class, middle class, and lower class. Each class may be further subdivided into smaller classes (e.g. occupational).

I agree it is man made but not made up.

but there is no social class it's just a concept you want to believe in like father cristmas or jesus, a crutch to give you a place in existence.

It may be a social construct, but it does exists. If you don't think so, try sending your kid to Eton or Harrow, or any of a list of other 'class driven' social environments

Class:
Got a boss? - working class
You're a boss? - business class
Aristocrat? - parasite class

it's just a concept you want to believe in

How did you manage to jump to that conclusion ? 😕

I don't [i]want[/i] to believe that climate change due to human activity is happening, but I believe that it is happening.

Maybe I can just "wish away" climate change with your magic wand tazzymtb ?

Then everything will be just fine, and all of the possible disasters associated with climate change will never happen. That'll be nice.

I agree it is man made but not made up.

that is the same thing though junky because you are describing an abstract thought that only exists through a shared consensus.

CM I admire your faith CM but I am fairly sure dave aint aiming for a delcine in the influence of his class but we can but dream.

No, you are right, but it might just be beyond his control and that of the media, who may in fact be a more powerful influence. e.g. they way they managed to mock Prescott and lampoon the idea of him joining their exclusive club. In fact they managed to get his own people to hate him for it

don't be silly ernie, one is a scientific cause and effect one is a definition that is applied in certain cultures. There are tribes around the world that if you tried to describe the concept of "class" to them would look at you in amazement and then carry on with their lives

don't be silly ernie, one is a scientific cause and effect one is a definition that is applied in certain cultures.

That's a social construct. It exists in the societies where we have constructed it. Surely you have met social barriers. You may be a victim of the construct whether you believe in it or not,

Are you stoned or just talking crap tazzy ? I really cant be arsed with a University tutorial discussion on what is real Blah blah blah.

CM I doubt anyone person could change it and I dont think dave will try. He may be genuine re meritocracy but as long as their class go to the best fee paying schools that should not alter much.

There are tribes around the world that if you tried to describe the concept of gravity, heliocentric world, evoloution ,DNA, space travel, 6 inch mountain bikes with sticky tyres to them would look at you in amazement and then carry on with their lives

You may be a victim of the construct whether you believe in it or not

Ah, but you don't have to see yourself as a [i]victim[/i], do you?

You may be a victim

nope, don't think so, is like one of those "have you had an accident in the last 3 years that wasn't your fault, quick put a claim in" kind of things?

right off to shave me legs nighty night

don't be silly ernie

Well I not trying to pretend that social classes don't exist.

And it's you who's claiming [i]"it's just a concept you want to believe in"[/i] despite no evidence to back that up.

Both rather silly comments imo.

junkyard you are a poor misguided fool and a sheep and deserve all the ills that you are willing to let world put upon you

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You've not lost your uncanny ability to do google image searches Elfie.

Tell me, what's the secret ?

Well, what it is, right; you choose a word, and you put it in Google Image Search, then see what it comes up with. 🙂

Takes years of training, mind. Not something an amateur or an idiot can cope with.

Nurse With Wound! 😯

You're best off avoiding the market, then coming down Coppermill Lane, towards Spring Hill, really.

strip golf/associated tourism and the uni out of the economy and it'd be methil with a bigger beach...

When I first read that i thought 'strip golf' was like strip poker!

This thread=
p1 laff at eejits
p2 people talking about themselves. Didn't bother reading it.
p3 class theorising.

Can we go back to page one please?

I want to hear tales from those who have seen the true horror and lived.

Bunch of ... whiney cockbags

Not much evidence of that here.

Class:
Got a boss? - working class
You're a boss? - business class
Aristocrat? - parasite class

I completely agree. I am completely in favour of personal enterprise and meritocracy. The parasite class are a huge drain on both the economic power and social wellbeing of our country.

buzz-lightyear - Member

You are working class if you work.

A similar pub discussion came to the conclusion that if you were genuinely working class then most likely you were not working but claiming benefit, and the phrases "chav and pikey" were probably more appropriate class descriptions.

If you're on a monthly salary, you're working class, you just may see a variation in the cost of footwear selected to wear while serving the master

tazzy thinks this sums it for me

And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still effing peasants as far as I can see,

A similar pub discussion came to the conclusion that if you were genuinely working class then most likely you were not working but claiming benefit, and the phrases "chav and pikey" were probably more appropriate class descriptions.

That is probably the most moronic, offensive, narrow minded thing I've ever read on here and I've been here since 2004 and seen some real arseholes come and go.

Outstanding.

I've been here since 2004 and seen some real arseholes come and go

😉

no, unlike them i'm not an arsehole*

*i am actually.

we all are, trailmonkey. we all are.

That is probably the most moronic, offensive, narrow minded thing I've ever read on here.....

Really ? I thought it was a fairly classic and rather mild comment on a forum frequented largely by pretentious and insecure middle-class punters.

Denigrating Tesco shoppers, fat people, those who live on council estates, people who own several tattoos but tragically no "cherished" number plates, TV viewers who watch light entertainment, etc, is a pretty bog standard activity for those who need to give themselves a self-congratulatory slap on the back so that they can feel better about themselves.

[i]"I might only be middle-class, but hey, I'm so much better than the lower-classes"[/i].

I just checked to see if there had been any reaction back on the St Andrews forum. View count on this thread is 1391. Busiest its been on there for years.

Quote of the day - '....They're calling us toffs, I hope they don't find out about me being in Polo club.'

http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~cycling/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=10

A similar pub discussion came to the conclusion that if you were genuinely working class then most likely you were not working

Nah, those people are middle class.

[i]When I first read that i thought 'strip golf' was like strip poker![/i]
I'm game if you are. See you down the links? 😉

I'm more interested to know if the organisers have now done something to repair the damage that the race caused to the trails at Blairadam?

is a pretty bog standard activity for those who need to give themselves a self-congratulatory slap on the back so that they can feel better about themselves.

"I might only be middle-class, but hey, I'm so much better than the lower-classes".

Not everyone on here is a gnome owning Jerry and Margo fantasist Ernie.

Yes, threads like the Aintree one, the fattist ones and the 'my Supermarket says a lot about me' ones are good at exposing the sneering snobs on here, but for every poster delighted at displaying their own prejudice there are hundreds sitting there amazed that people are willing to expose their ignorance in such a manner.

It's perfectly possible to hate the dumbing down of popular culture and the 'proud to be ignorant' without introducing a class element.
Equating intelligence or the thirst for knowledge with any particular class or type of upbringing is ignorant and prejudicial in itself.

I'm more interested to know if the organisers have now done something to repair the damage that the race caused to the trails at Blairadam?

Marty, I was up at Blairadam last night and tried to ride the ridge trail which at this time of year is a great swoopy singletrack descent. Its now an eight foot wide swamp in places. We've had some great dry weather here lately, it should have been dry. On the students race day it was pouring. Seems someone left common sense at home. The blame cannot be wholly levelled at the students. There was an 'advisor' who okayed the route who has still to be identified. Who ever that was needs horsewhipping.

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/blairadam-trails-after-sus-mtb-champs

This is familiar
http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/class-what-exactly-defines-the-classes

[i]hia = working class
hello = middle class
helair = upper class
HAWHAWHAWHAW = royalty
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trailmonkey - I'm not sure which bit of what I wrote offended you so much? Perhaps you didn't understand it.

Generally, those at the "bottom" of a class system (who would have been called 'working class' in the mid 20th century) are generally the least affluent, least "socially mobile", probably most likely to spend their whole lives closest to their place of birth, often least likely to be well educated etc.

Anyone earning minimum wage today almost certainly has a higher standard of living than a genuinely working class family in the 70s and early 80s (I remember those times - not through rose tinted glasses - and whilst we weren't necessarily poor we were very much working class and life was a struggle). But whilst many of those people would still claim to be working class my point is there is actually a further "strata" which has developed - of people who are the poorest in society, likely to be have least access to education or opportunity - the point being that those people are generally not "working".

The other part of my post was about the labels we attach to social groups/classes and how we define them - and the fact that "classes" defined by job/affluence are increasingly being blurred but that there are other 'social' descriptors if you want to put people in pigeon holes which might work just as well.

However I did start the whole post pointing out it was a "pub discussion" which means you shouldn't really treat too much of it is as a formal hypothesis on society and class structure, indeed perhaps even a touch of humour or irony!

I think the conventional class definitions were only valid from about 1900 to the mid 60s (when everybody wore a hat) and the notion of class died out completely in the late 1980s, when working class people got to earn loadsamoney and middle class people started losing their jobs.

A middle class man is one who would get up and put on a suit and tie on Saturday morning - even if he wasn't going to work.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13023569

Think this lot are into bikes?

Makes me want to boak

speaking of UPPUR CLASS ****S with expensive biks and clean wellys which is wat i think yur on with in that saint andrews place.look at th st andrews uni. cycle clubb page, @
http://www.st-andrews.ac.uk/~cycling/?page_id=28

look at their events, a TEA PARTY in a bandstand lthxt
liyk what a crop o shit, i mean look at some of their photos. how gay are they, glad i go to a real collidge with a real bike club who can actualiy ride bikes properli

take that Stauccc

and anyway arent these the guys who messed up blaradum forest?

I haven't read past the first page.. but I'm willing to bet that tjis has degenerated into a mind numbing wrangle about who is the most salty or whether the traditional class system can incorporate all of the forum members adequately..

I have a theory..

In todays society..
If you can afford a mortgage you are lower middle
If you can't.. you are working
If you've paid off your mortgage you are upper middle
If you've never really worried about such things and are orf on a jolly somewhere soon and don't want this conversation to taint the experience.. then you are probably upper

poly - Member

trailmonkey - I'm not sure which bit of what I wrote offended you so much?

Well he copied and pasted the bit he found offensive. He even put it in a quotation box .......he couldn't really have made it much clearer.

You're not very observant are you ?

and anyway arent these the guys who messed up blaradum forest?

Yes. There was another thread about that but this one now has discussion of that incident.

I'm just wondering when the organisers of the student race are going to speak up again. They have repairs to make, but they have went very quiet on here.

As organisers and holders of a permit to hold an event, they have responsibilities under that permit that they have failed to fulfill.

I have a theory..

In todays society..
If you can afford a mortgage you are lower middle
If you can't.. you are working
If you've paid off your mortgage you are upper middle
If you've never really worried about such things and are orf on a jolly somewhere soon and don't want this conversation to taint the experience.. then you are probably upper

Thank you Yunki for the above synopsis which shall now become my default position should I ever again be unfortunate enough to become involved in a pub 'class' conversation.

Previously, class status conversations have always left me puzzled - particularly the hereditary element which seems to allow both working and upper class membership to continue for generations after I would have presumed the claimants to have become middle class. I had thought that my confusion resulted from not having grown up in the UK, but no longer.

Well he copied and pasted the bit he found offensive. He even put it in a quotation box .......he couldn't really have made it much clearer.

You're not very observant are you ?

anyway's tis mostly a middle class sport.

Blower
anyway's tis mostly a middle class sport.

both 🙂

tiberius - Member
I'm just wondering when the organisers of the student race are going to speak up again. They have repairs to make, but they have went very quiet on here.

As organisers and holders of a permit to hold an event, they have responsibilities under that permit that they have failed to fulfill.

Have you chased them up through the university? There must be someone there to complain to.

I like Yunki's analysis. I'm either working class or upper class.

Have you chased them up through the university? There must be someone there to complain to.

Details of who to complain to added to [url= http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/blairadam-trails-after-sus-mtb-champs/page/2#post-2465612 ]the Blairadam thread[/url].

There must be someone there to [s]complain to[/s] whom one can complain

I mean really, how very non-u.

There's a link on that site "STUACC Does Wales"
Better hope those photos don't make the press before the wedding !

I like Yunki's analysis. I'm either working class or upper class.

from that I deduce that you are definitely lower class..! 😉