You don't need to be an 'investor' to invest in Singletrack: 6 days left: 95% of target - Find out more
When they were explaining the TG mission did anyone else think it sounded remarkably similar to the 622 squadron film?!!!
633??
Are you on about 617 squadron, i.e. the dambusters?
Well that was bloody amazing - full on 4DX silliness - absurdly over the top and worth every penny because of it.
But one of our kids (who watched the original last night) said she preferred it over Maverick.
But one of our kids (who watched the original last night) said she preferred it over Maverick.
They're so close together in terms of what they do, the original was pure 80s though, the new one has just had so much thrown at it in terms of funding and backing, it's just a bit more polished, especially with so much emphasised on the flying, you can tell the USN have seen the benefit of having this movie tied to them!
Yes I agree, but just interesting that a 12 yr old enjoyed the 80s original over the more polished new film.
633??
FFS... yeah! (622 was the prequel .... obvs!)
This was always the film to give cinema a good bump.
Can't see it lasting long term. It's been a dire two years for the pictures.
Shame but I think cinema is heading downwards now.
We went on Saturday evening to the prime 8:30 showing and it cant have been more that 20% occupied at best. We were amazed how quiet it was
Saw it last night - pretty decent overall. Really enjoyed the opening scene - nice homage to the original film.
Fairly underwhelmed by IMAX (first time), didn't seem any different to a normal screen to me - other than endless IMAX adverts / promos before the film repeatedly telling us how much better it was.
Was flipping loud though - we both wore ear plugs!
When they were explaining the TG mission did anyone else think it sounded remarkably similar to the 622 squadron film?!!!
Nope, blowing up the first Death Star is what came to mind for me.
Totally the Death Star, even down to the ludicrously simplistic cartoon of the bomb going into the shaft. Must have been a totally deliberate homage.
Fairly underwhelmed by IMAX (first time), didn’t seem any different to a normal screen to me – other than endless IMAX adverts / promos before the film repeatedly telling us how much better it was.
As I put earlier it's because IMAX has been modified to include regular digital cinema cameras - so you're not really getting much extra unless it was shot on IMAX 65mm cameras, which this wasn't.
It's a bit of a marketing thing ultimately. Cinema is dying and they're are 4 different ways to see TG.
Regular, IMAX , 4D and Screen X. It's like when they revived 3D to get bums on seats. I think Manchester have a fancy dual laser projector which would up the resolution.
Just see it on big screen. That's the most authentic experience.
Sometimes the biggest screen will be IMAX like Sheffield Cineworld.
Totally the Death Star, even down to the ludicrously simplistic cartoon of the bomb going into the shaft. Must have been a totally deliberate homage.
Yeah, that did bring some double nostalgia, the way the paveways went down the hole, how Luke, i mean Rooster lost his R2, er i mean targeting pod, it was just pure fun, i think it was all more by design than plagiarising 😁
As I put earlier it’s because IMAX has been modified to include regular digital cinema cameras – so you’re not really getting much extra unless it was shot on IMAX 65mm cameras, which this wasn’t.
Wouldn't affect the screen size though, which didn't seem any different....
We saw it on Saturday on the big screen at Rheged and it was pretty busy, we missed out on the Friday slots.
It was a good fun couple of hours, my 15 year old was really excited as she loves the first one. I was surprised how many elderly people were there but they would have been in their 30's and 40's when the first one came out.
The film also used the phrase 5th generation a lot, but then had those aircraft have the absolute opposite strengths and weaknesses of a 5th gen aircraft!
The 5th gen aircraft were su-57s which are definitely 5th gen by any reasonable definition. They are less stealthy than Western 5th gen e.g. F35, F22 but still have a much more reduced signature compared to 4th or 4-plus gen fighters. They're much more manoeuvrable than F35 for sure and probably F22, but the Russians typically place more importance on super manoeuvrability due to a combination of doctrinal differences and not being as good at making stealthy things.
Regarding the sams, S125 is a bit old school, but there's some heavily upgraded versions knocking about, to the point where they're basically a different system and have a different western designation (sa3 for the original, sa26 for the most modern upgraded variants). Even if they were sa3s, there's still plenty in service around the world and it wouldn't be that inconceivable that they'd still be in use by a military that can also field a few su57s and fund a nuclear weapons program (e.g. the Russians have small numbers of new stuff but a lot of old kit held together with gaffer tape).
The engagement time was way too quick, i.e. the delay from the aircraft popping out the valley to the missile launch. Can't remember specs for minimum engagement range for sa3/sa26 but agree it looked questionable. Again, can't remember the warhead size/lethal blast radius either. I wasn't really paying attention, just turned my brain off and enjoyed the action, but I think the engagement geometries looked a bit poor for the sams a few times so not inconceivable that the planes could be outside the fragmentation cone.
The use of flares against radar guided missiles was the most glaring inaccuracy for me. If I was being kind and fancied some mental gymnastics, you could argue that if you were actually flying that mission, you'd be jamming all the sam acquisition and tracking radars. If they were sa26s, they could still attempt to engage using thermal/optical tracking system so flares could potentially break track, but the whole engagement would play out differently in that scenario.
Lack of a point defense system (like a pantsir as suggested) was pretty unlikely. You'd sit a few in the crater in reality and they'd make life very difficult, though hitting any of the aircraft isn't guaranteed while they're doing 10g and only exposed briefly.
The whole mission stretched credulity a bit, but other than the flares I think it's all pretty forgivable and the writers did a pretty good job of contriving a scenario that delivers some awesome flying scenes. It would have been a lot less fun to watch if they'd done it the way it probably would have happened in real life (a crap load of tomahawks or similar and some stand-off radar jamming from a few electronic warfare aircraft would be my first choice)
Used to have a job doing lots of thinking about this sort of thing
Just a reminder - it wasn't a documentary...
Just a reminder – it wasn’t a documentary…
Saw it today and absolutely loved it. Great homage to the original. Glad it didnt take itself too seriously. Great flight scenes. Could’t care less about how true it was to real life. As noted its a film not a documentary. Just a great couple of hours of escapism and nostalgia. I was annoying my wife on the way home flicking the windscreen wipers on whilst claiming to be ‘switching to guns’ 😂
The 5th gen aircraft were su-57s which are definitely 5th gen by any reasonable definition. They are less stealthy than Western 5th gen e.g. F35, F22 but still have a much more reduced signature compared to 4th or 4-plus gen fighters. They’re much more manoeuvrable than F35 for sure and probably F22, but the Russians typically place more importance on super manoeuvrability due to a combination of doctrinal differences and not being as good at making stealthy things.
Regarding the sams, S125 is a bit old school, but there’s some heavily upgraded versions knocking about, to the point where they’re basically a different system and have a different western designation (sa3 for the original, sa26 for the most modern upgraded variants). Even if they were sa3s, there’s still plenty in service around the world and it wouldn’t be that inconceivable that they’d still be in use by a military that can also field a few su57s and fund a nuclear weapons program (e.g. the Russians have small numbers of new stuff but a lot of old kit held together with gaffer tape).
The engagement time was way too quick, i.e. the delay from the aircraft popping out the valley to the missile launch. Can’t remember specs for minimum engagement range for sa3/sa26 but agree it looked questionable. Again, can’t remember the warhead size/lethal blast radius either. I wasn’t really paying attention, just turned my brain off and enjoyed the action, but I think the engagement geometries looked a bit poor for the sams a few times so not inconceivable that the planes could be outside the fragmentation cone.
The use of flares against radar guided missiles was the most glaring inaccuracy for me. If I was being kind and fancied some mental gymnastics, you could argue that if you were actually flying that mission, you’d be jamming all the sam acquisition and tracking radars. If they were sa26s, they could still attempt to engage using thermal/optical tracking system so flares could potentially break track, but the whole engagement would play out differently in that scenario.
Lack of a point defense system (like a pantsir as suggested) was pretty unlikely. You’d sit a few in the crater in reality and they’d make life very difficult, though hitting any of the aircraft isn’t guaranteed while they’re doing 10g and only exposed briefly.
The whole mission stretched credulity a bit, but other than the flares I think it’s all pretty forgivable and the writers did a pretty good job of contriving a scenario that delivers some awesome flying scenes. It would have been a lot less fun to watch if they’d done it the way it probably would have happened in real life (a crap load of tomahawks or similar and some stand-off radar jamming from a few electronic warfare aircraft would be my first choice)
Used to have a job doing lots of thinking about this sort of thing
As someone that doesn't give 2 shits about the inaccuracies of a film, that's often trotted out, that was a genuinely fascinating read!
No chance of finding out what your old job was I guess? 🙂
No chance of finding out what your old job was I guess? 🙂
He could tell you, but then he’d have to kill you… 😉
Went with Mrs Kilo to see it last night, she had seen the first one and loved it, I hadn’t and thought it was a pretty lame story and not that exciting.
No chance of finding out what your old job was I guess? 🙂
His last names Putin, best leave this one alone 😉
Seems no one else has picked up on the fact that "Penny" the bar owner, is Penny Benjamin of "history of high speed passes over two control towers and one Admiral's daughter" fame... The Guardian missed it and in fact so did my mate who I went to see it with and we have watched the original probably 100 times. Amateurs!!!
Didn’t go unnoticed in the Howard household 😊
Penny totally obvious to me. Was surprised I got right to the end of the thread before someone else raised it.
Best trick for me was maxing the raid scene as a sort of finale, and after being sucked into that and the whole crew down scene, completely overlooking that the original star of the show hadn’t appeared yet…
…cue Tomcat!!!
Sure I’d seen it in the trailer, they mentioned it in the dialogue but for an 80’s plane nerd that was my highlight and it gave Mav and Goose Jr so much story latitude. Brilliant. And swing wings.
+1 for picking up on the Penny Benjamin thing. Also loved the ‘buzz the tower’ with the F14 moment right before the dodgy carrier landing with broken nose gear.
Absolutely bloody brilliant. Saw it in 4DX and want to go again.
Seems no one else has picked up on the fact that “Penny” the bar owner, is Penny Benjamin of “history of high speed passes over two control towers and one Admiral’s daughter” fame
I thought it was so obvious it didn't need mentioning! I know people have nerded on about various elements of the military and aircraft use was inaccurate. I'm cool with that. The fact that Goose's son had been cryogenically frozen seemed a bit more obvious glitch (he was about 4 in the original and 36 years later appears to still only be in his late twenties, early 30s. On that theme, Jennifer Connolly is currently 51. If she is playing a version of Penny Benjamin of the same age then 36 years ago Penny Benjamin was........eww! Awkward!
Thought it was ace though.
Yeah, i think that's why they added the 'pulled his papers' and set his career back 4 years, to try and make the age line up a little. To be fair it was a key part of the plot, same with Penny being the love interest that was set up for the audience to have that happy ending after he was grounded.
Watched it last night and absolutely loved it.
Opening sequence exact recreation of Top Gun. Same music, same shots, same font on the titles! Only thing missing was the magnificence of the Tomcats. I was more than willing to overlook their replacement with the Hornets.
However:
Best trick for me was maxing the raid scene as a sort of finale, and after being sucked into that and the whole crew down scene, completely overlooking that the original star of the show hadn’t appeared yet…
…cue Tomcat!!!
Sure I’d seen it in the trailer, they mentioned it in the dialogue but for an 80’s plane nerd that was my highlight and it gave Mav and Goose Jr so much story latitude. Brilliant. And swing wings.
Oh my!! That was fan-bloody-tastic!!!
Linky to how the F-14 was able to join the party, on the ground at least.
So many references and tie-ins to Top Gun all very well executed.
Only one way to introduce the F-14 too. Coulda walked up to it, coulda glanced at it side on, but nah... 100% badass mode like dis
It’s not a tornado, but it’s ok 😁
Great fun.
Ed Harris looks like one of my testicles.
Just seen it in an empty cinema, could have taken the IMAX option but that was hour later. Thought it was ok, kept thinking back wondering what I was doing in '86.
Could have slotted in the Berlin sing.
Just the right amount of enjoyable nonsense!
Both the kids, 10 & 12 thought it was the cheeseiest thing that they had ever seen, with 12 taking a particular dislike to Pointless Penny. Probably due to diversion from burgeoning interest in boys and kissing. However, when pressed, both admitted to enjoying it. As did Mrs Snr & I.
And we went to a new cinema, with a ‘spoons across the road. There’s some parallels there. Nothing life changing, but perfectly enjoyable value for money fare.
Just right for a bank holiday afternoon.
Holy shitballs, that was awesome! Had seen F14 in the trailer, and it stood out a mile when they mentioned it in the mission brief, just a matter of waiting till it got call into use!
Genuine "oh no...." stomach drop when that third su-57 appeared and the ejection handles didn't work.
Enjoyed the flying scenes. The actors took extensive flying lessons and two have achieved their licenses. They had to operate the cameras in the cockpits and much is filmed authentically. Cruise flew the mustang of course.
Tomcat? This was at the real Top Gun museum at Miramar (which is not now Top Gun). It’s probably as airworthy but they don’t have an F-14 yet. 🙁
Personally, I didn’t see why they didn’t just send in a drone. Or tomahawk or ten. Short film though.
Sounds like I'm I a minority, but I didn't like it. Great flying scenes but totally predictable story line and just felt really contrived.
Best dumb movie I’ve seen in ages. So stupid, but so great. I’d much rather they’d given the age defying potion to Kelly McGillis than Tom Cruise though.
Personally, I didn’t see why they didn’t just send in a drone. Or tomahawk or ten. Short film though.
It was potentially one of the rare chances to let the USN show off their growlers, and it wasn't taken 😁
Tickets for 4pm; so excited!!
It was potentially one of the rare chances to let the USN show off their growlers, and it wasn’t taken
Not sure Jennifer Connolly would’ve been down for that…
Saw it yesterday afternoon at the Everyman cinema. Absolutely love it. Best film I’ve seen in ages. Even my teenage kids loved it.
Completely over the top, but all the better for it IMVHO and worth every penny to go see it. Nonsense ? Quite Possibly, but great entertainment.
The opening sequences were 100% spot on.
Just been to see it this afternoon. Absolutely over the top nonsense with a very predictable plot. ****ing loved every minute of it.
God, Barry Norman was great, wasn't he?
That Barry Norman review of the original is indeed great.
I enjoyed the new one. Some silly moments, but some great flying footage and callbacks to the original.
My one question, is when does Penny's surname get used? It was only a chance IMDB search for the character names at the interval by a friend that made me realise her significance. I think it would have been fun if she had made a call to her father at the point to get Mav back in the F18, rather than him stealing it.
A friend took their 8yo to see this at the weekend, seemed a bit odd. Is it a tame 12?
It’s pretty tame, don’t think there is any blood on screen, no sex scenes, it’s a 12a, but no worse than tv shows or some cartoons
Just back from seeing it with the family. We all loved it. Not sure if I was blinkered by my love of the original but it’s a good cheesy watch with some good humor added. Very PC with not mention of any country that they are attacking. My 17yr old who has not seen the original gave it a thumbs up and my 14yr old said it’s better than the original while my wife just went for the beach scene.
Very PC with not mention of any country that they are attacking.
Wasn't there?
I thought they said it was Iran!
🤷🏻♂️
Well it was very enjoyable but their deathstar wasn't as good as the original
Well it was very enjoyable but their deathstar wasn’t as good as the original
It was the most unsubtle subtle nod at another film ever, even down the guiding systems basically being like R2 units. I don’t care though, it was ace.
I thought they said it was Iran!
Don't think so.
It was the most unsubtle subtle nod
A nod would have been comparing the target to shooting (s)womp rats, or calling rooster red leader. This just lifted the thing wholesale including "don't think, just do/use the force rooster". At least he didn't levitate the knackered f14 out of hangar I suppose.
That being said, it was the best starwars film in 40 odd years.
I took a relatively mature (as in been around older siblings and their mates all his life) 7 year old. No problems if you’re OK with lots of S-words and one F-bomb. Only suggestion and post-coital chat from a sex PoV.
Any doubts on TV, films and games, Common Sense Media is always worth a read
https://www.commonsensemedia.org/movie-reviews/top-gun-maverick
Click on the 5-dot definitions to know what in the film qualifies the ratings for Sex, Violence, Substance Abuse, Positive Role Models etc.
I think it would have been fun if she had made a call to her father at the point to get Mav back in the F18, rather than him stealing it.
Dear god no. Him stealing the plane is more Maverick.
Don’t think so.
You're probably right!!
post-coital chat from a sex PoV.
We've to be very careful about giving young folks unrealistic representations of sex in film and media.
I thought they said it was Iran!
Of course it is, and of course they didn't say so! Uranium processing and an old F14... Come on, it couldn't be more obvious, but they can't SAY it.
Now had it been an errr... Chieftain Tank rather than an F14 in which they escaped, then that really would have been fiction.
We’ve to be very careful about giving young folks unrealistic representations of sex in film and media.
Whooooooah there, you mean I can't expect to boff Jennifer Connolly when I'm in my late 50s?
@ihn maybe, she could be in her late 70s by then for all I know. I mean what ever floats your boat.
Also Tom cruise is a bajillionaire, I'm pretty sure therfore that his boffing of pretty much anyone should he wish isn't wholly unrealistic.
Loved the opening montage, thought the photography was awesome, as was his run through beggars canyon before hitting a 2m womp rat that wasn't impossible, even for a computer.
Totally jumped the shark with the jumpstarting of an F14 then the ultra short take off / Rooster being able to fly his old mans plane without any training. Also needed the admiral to spill his coffee when Mav buzzed the tower like in the original.
Oh, the closing song is shit (like, really, really shit). Really should have finished with the TG theme or righteous brothers.
And don't get me started on how old Rooster should be.
I did love it though, not sure if I'd rewatch it over the original, Would defo watch them as a double feature in the cinema if they were showing.
i saw it last night and was thoroughly entertained. Really enjoyable. Classic cheese throughout, but in a good way.
Was nice to see the GPZ900 make an appearance too!
I looooved it. Almost as much as Dune - which is the biggest compliment I can conceive of paying any movie.
Almost as much as Dune – which is the biggest compliment I can conceive of paying any movie.
I assume you mean lynch then?
Rooster being able to fly his old mans plane without any training. A
He wasn’t flying it.
So, there's loads on line about the realism of the flying sequences with the actors being up in the Hornets and no CGI.
Tomcat in the air, CGI obviously.
Now, what about the Hornets flying through the arches of the bridge. CGI shirly?
I believe there are CGI skins and the bridge is definitely CGI.
But the action is for real - bit like fury road. That's the way to go.
When film makers say no CGI it's always in context. As in no jar jar binks.
CGI is used almost on every film these days, mostly invisible.
Now, what about the Hornets flying through the arches of the bridge. CGI shirly?
Must be, surely no one is going to sign that one off are they? I read a lot of the low level stuff is genuine maybe the bridge is CGI'd in - but CGI done right as it's not clear what is generated and what isn't. The director did some great flying CGI in Oblivion so he has form. The only noticeable CGI was the missiles / launchers.
Bridge will have been added afterwards. But it’s great that the actors didn’t just sit in front of a green screen and get shaken around. As I said earlier, two qualified for their flying licenses during the training. But nobody actually flew a Hornet. Flew in one, sure. Given the quality, it really doesn’t matter.
Worth a read https://variety.com/2022/artisans/news/top-gun-maverick-cast-training-fighter-jets-1235279793/amp/
The flying will be real, but anything like the bridge, or flares (mostly) or explosions would be added in afterwards to make life.
All they'll have done is film the actual flying, then manipulate those frames, there was a couple of moves, i looked at a lot of the closer flying manoeuvres as being a bit like film fights with the punches, they look closer and faster on screen than they actually were in reality.
Well that was just silly, engaging, daft, spectacular, cheesy, wonderful fun. 👍
Cheesey, cliched, relied a lot on callbacks to the original, predictable, nonsense.
And I absolutely loved it. Was glued to the screen the whole time. Tingles up my spine when the music kicked in at the start, almost cried when he first said "Talk to me Goose", loved spotting the references to the first film, bored Mrs Kenny all the way home talking about it.
Only minor disappointments were a couple of things I thought might be in it eg trembling coffee cup when he did the flypast, and no sign of "You've Lost That Loving' Feeling". I thought that would be in right at the end.
I was doubtful all those years ago when they announced they were making a sequel, but oh that was so much fun.
I feel that ‘Loving Feeling’ belongs to Kelly McGillis and without her it has no part, so I’m glad it was absent. She’s briefly portrayed in a flashback to the ‘Great Balls of Fire’ piano scene but if that was it I’m glad they left her tune in the past.
Finally got the chance to see it today. I guess the rest of the world has already seen it, there were only about 7 people in the whole cinema!
As above - it's cheesy, predictable, silly, wildly implausible for any number of boring logistical reasons but it was also very good. 🙂
Saw it tonight, enjoyed it. Suspected that TC was wearing a wig?
Great film, really enjoyed it, although as others have said it should have finished when they landed on the carrier the song at the end was just revenue driven product placement. My favorite plot hole was the enemy helicopter lining up to shoot the downed US pilot, like they wouldn't have taken such a valuable intel and propaganda target alive!
like they wouldn’t have taken such a valuable intel and propaganda target alive!
Or that it’s cannon would have been thwarted by the rotten tree protecting the target…
not been to the cinema to see a film i want to see in literally years. Two tickets booked for tonight, one for me, on for my wife. Its almost a date! First in about 15years. Wish me luck. 😉